command line ftp client

command line ftp client

[Keith Barrett]

Hi

Looking for any suggestions for an ftp client that works well with 
speakup.

I am planning to do some alterations to my web site and would be good to 
be able to upload and download the files in linux.

Thanks

Keith Barrett

Re: command line ftp client

[Zachary Kline]

Hi,
    I personally recommend ncftp.
    It's available in the packaging system, I imagine, and works quite well 
with Speakup.
    I also have had a lot of success with the built-in zsh ftp client, zftp.
Best,
Zack.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Barrett" <lists@barrettpianos.co.uk>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:59 PM
Subject: command line ftp client


> Hi
>
> Looking for any suggestions for an ftp client that works well with
> speakup.
>
> I am planning to do some alterations to my web site and would be good to
> be able to upload and download the files in linux.
>
> Thanks
>
> Keith Barrett
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> 

Re: command line ftp client

[Terry D. Cudney]

Hi Keith,

   Personal preference rules here... but, you might want to take a look at 'lftp'. It works quite nicely.

   --terry
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 08:59:15PM +0000, Keith Barrett wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Looking for any suggestions for an ftp client that works well with 
> speakup.
> 
> I am planning to do some alterations to my web site and would be good to 
> be able to upload and download the files in linux.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Keith Barrett
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: command line ftp client

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Terry and all,

I notice that nobody has mentioned the default ftp client, ftp, and I
am curious why not. I have been getting along pretty well with it, but
maybe I haven't pushed its limits or discovered its limitations. Why
lsftp, or ncftp, or zftp, instead of the plain old vanilla ftp? 

Chuck


On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 09:05:30PM -0500, Terry D. Cudney wrote:
> Hi Keith,
> 
>    Personal preference rules here... but, you might want to take a look at 'lftp'. It works quite nicely.
> 
>    --terry
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 08:59:15PM +0000, Keith Barrett wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > Looking for any suggestions for an ftp client that works well with 
> > speakup.
> > 
> > I am planning to do some alterations to my web site and would be good to 
> > be able to upload and download the files in linux.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Keith Barrett
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> Name:	Terry D. Cudney
> Phone:	705-812-4949
> SIP: 5000@cudney.homeip.net
> E-mail:	terry@octothorp.org
> 
> Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like...
> having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool.
> 
> Tired of technology? Check this out: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: command line ftp client

[Hart Larry]

Well, Chuck, ncftp is worlds above the stock ftp.  I especially love the minus 
double capitol D command, where it will delete files from the other end after 
downloading.
Only drawback, seems there are no secure versions of ncftp
Hart

Re: command line ftp client

[Terry D. Cudney]

Hi Chuck,

   It's been a few years now, since I used the default ftp. So I cannot remember what it was lacking, that I needed at the time.

   I was doing remote website updates at the time. Vaguely, I seem to recall something about the 'mirror' option of lftp that I needed, but not sure. I just started using lftp and it did everything I wanted nicely, so have carried on using it.

   --terry
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 05:12:49AM -0500, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> Terry and all,
> 
> I notice that nobody has mentioned the default ftp client, ftp, and I
> am curious why not. I have been getting along pretty well with it, but
> maybe I haven't pushed its limits or discovered its limitations. Why
> lsftp, or ncftp, or zftp, instead of the plain old vanilla ftp? 
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 09:05:30PM -0500, Terry D. Cudney wrote:
> > Hi Keith,
> > 
> >    Personal preference rules here... but, you might want to take a look at 'lftp'. It works quite nicely.
> > 
> >    --terry
> > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 08:59:15PM +0000, Keith Barrett wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > Looking for any suggestions for an ftp client that works well with 
> > > speakup.
> > > 
> > > I am planning to do some alterations to my web site and would be good to 
> > > be able to upload and download the files in linux.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > Keith Barrett
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > -- 
> > Name:	Terry D. Cudney
> > Phone:	705-812-4949
> > SIP: 5000@cudney.homeip.net
> > E-mail:	terry@octothorp.org
> > 
> > Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like...
> > having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool.
> > 
> > Tired of technology? Check this out: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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> 
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Phone:	705-812-4949
SIP: 5000@cudney.homeip.net
E-mail:	terry@octothorp.org

Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like...
having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool.

Tired of technology? Check this out: http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm

Re: command line ftp client

[Chris Brannon]

Keith Barrett writes:
> I am planning to do some alterations to my web site and would be good to
> be able to upload and download the files in linux.

I use sitecopy for maintaining my website.
http://www.manyfish.co.uk/sitecopy/
The master copy of my site is on my hard drive, under ~/myweb/upload.
Whenever I change something in that tree, I invoke sitecopy to propagate
those changes to my ISP's FTP server.
You will need to spend a few minutes reading the manpage and writing a config
file, but the tool is very easy to use once it is configured.
I am including my own config file.

Regards,
-- Chris

----- begin .sitecopyrc -----
site cox 
server members.cox.net
remote / # All my files are under / on remote server
local /home/chris/myweb/upload
username cmbrannon
password not4u2know
protocol ftp
----- end .sitecopyrc -----

Re: command line ftp client

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Chris,
Sitecopy looks neat, and is available as a Debian package.

Chuck

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 08:39:05AM -0600, Chris Brannon wrote:
> Keith Barrett writes:
> > I am planning to do some alterations to my web site and would be good to
> > be able to upload and download the files in linux.
> 
> I use sitecopy for maintaining my website.
> http://www.manyfish.co.uk/sitecopy/
> The master copy of my site is on my hard drive, under ~/myweb/upload.
> Whenever I change something in that tree, I invoke sitecopy to propagate
> those changes to my ISP's FTP server.
> You will need to spend a few minutes reading the manpage and writing a config
> file, but the tool is very easy to use once it is configured.
> I am including my own config file.
> 
> Regards,
> -- Chris
> 
> ----- begin .sitecopyrc -----
> site cox 
> server members.cox.net
> remote / # All my files are under / on remote server
> local /home/chris/myweb/upload
> username cmbrannon
> password not4u2know
> protocol ftp
> ----- end .sitecopyrc -----
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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                                --------
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and just before you realize what is wrong with it.

Re: command line ftp client

[Alex Snow]

The standard "ftp" client works well, also lftp and ncftp are good 
choices.
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 08:59:15PM +0000, Keith Barrett wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Looking for any suggestions for an ftp client that works well with 
> speakup.
> 
> I am planning to do some alterations to my web site and would be good to 
> be able to upload and download the files in linux.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Keith Barrett
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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	-- Larry Wall

Re: command line ftp client

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 04:25:41AM -0800, Hart Larry wrote:
> Only drawback, seems there are no secure versions of ncftp

That's because ftp itself isn't a secure protocol, so there won't be a
secure ftp client, unless the protocol specs change.

Yes, I know about sftp, but that doesn't apply, since it doesn't use
the ftp protocol.

Greg


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Re: command line ftp client

[Tony Baechler]

Hi,

I'm afraid I have to jump in here.  This is now the second reply 
concerning the "standard" ftp client.  I have to take issue with this 
usage.  As far as I can tell, there is no standard ftp client.  Let me 
explain.  I'm aware that on Windows and various BSD distributions, 
saying "ftp" at a command prompt will run a fairly basic ftp client.  
However, at least in Debian, this is not standard and isn't installed 
with the standard software.  Instead, you have to install netkit-ftp.  
Also, every "standard" implementation is different.  I recently read 
that NetBSD maintains their own ftp client and their own version of 
ftpd, different from the old BSD ftp but still simply called as ftp.  
Windows ftp doesn't work exactly the same as BSD ftp.  Even netkit-ftp, 
while based on BSD ftp, isn't exactly the same as it was ported to 
Linux.  Therefore, I would ask that people please don't refer to a 
"standard" ftp client as each OS is slightly different.  I don't know 
how Fedora and other Linux distros do things, but I would guess that 
their version of ftp has small differences also.

Regarding the comment that ncftp doesn't have a secure version from Hart 
Larry, I would say that the ftp protocol isn't designed for security 
anyway as user names and passwords are sent in cleartext.  If you really 
need security, try stunnel.  If you're thinking that sftp is secure ftp, 
that's wrong.  It's part of ssh and works like ftp but it isn't the same 
protocol.  If you mean ftp over SSL, again look at stunnel.  I would 
agree that ncftp itself doesn't support ftps or whatever it's called.

Finally, the differences between the BSD ftp and other clients.  I 
personally use ncftp and here are just a few differences:  First, ncftp 
stores login information so I don't have to enter it every time.  
Second, it has bookmarks so I can just say "o speakup" instead of "open 
ftp.linux-speakup.org."  It has nice progress bars so I'm not wondering 
if it's still working when downloading big files.  It automatically 
enters binary mode.  It supports passive ftp, not all clients do.  It 
has ncftpget, ncftpput and ncftpls which do as the names imply 
completely from the command line.  It seems faster than other clients, 
but that could be me.  It preserves dates and times, lftp doesn't by 
default.  It doesn't require the "prompt" command before "mget" for 
multiple files.  It gets multiple files with the "get" command and 
doesn't ask for each file.  It converts line endings on the fly.  It 
lets you get a file named file1 remotely and rename it to file2 
locally.  It supports resuming broken files.  I'm sure there are lots of 
other things but that's all I can think of offhand.

Alex Snow wrote:
> The standard "ftp" client works well, also lftp and ncftp are good 
> choices.
>   

Re: command line ftp client

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 03:40:32AM -0800, Tony Baechler wrote:
> If you really  
> need security, try stunnel.

Unless I'm mistaken, the problem with that approach is that it
requires the ftp server to also be using stunnel. Let's face it,
there's no such thing as a secure ftp protocol, and if you really need
a secure way of transferring files, you should be looking at things
like sftp via the ssh protocol, or rsync over ssh.

Greg


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RE: command line ftp client

[eheil1]

Hi. I have looked at ncftp and I actually use it sometimes. Lftp has better scripting support. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Baechler <tony@baechler.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:40 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: command line ftp client

Hi,

I'm afraid I have to jump in here.  This is now the second reply 
concerning the "standard" ftp client.  I have to take issue with this 
usage.  As far as I can tell, there is no standard ftp client.  Let me 
explain.  I'm aware that on Windows and various BSD distributions, 
saying "ftp" at a command prompt will run a fairly basic ftp client.  
However, at least in Debian, this is not standard and isn't installed 
with the standard software.  Instead, you have to install netkit-ftp.  
Also, every "standard" implementation is different.  I recently read 
that NetBSD maintains their own ftp client and their own version of 
ftpd, different from the old BSD ftp but still simply called as ftp.  
Windows ftp doesn't work exactly the same as BSD ftp.  Even netkit-ftp, 
while based on BSD ftp, isn't exactly the same as it was ported to 
Linux.  Therefore, I would ask that people please don't refer to a 
"standard" ftp client as each OS is slightly different.  I don't know 
how Fedora and other Linux distros do things, but I would guess that 
their version of ftp has small differences also.

Regarding the comment that ncftp doesn't have a secure version from Hart 
Larry, I would say that the ftp protocol isn't designed for security 
anyway as user names and passwords are sent in cleartext.  If you really 
need security, try stunnel.  If you're thinking that sftp is secure ftp, 
that's wrong.  It's part of ssh and works like ftp but it isn't the same 
protocol.  If you mean ftp over SSL, again look at stunnel.  I would 
agree that ncftp itself doesn't support ftps or whatever it's called.

Finally, the differences between the BSD ftp and other clients.  I 
personally use ncftp and here are just a few differences:  First, ncftp 
stores login information so I don't have to enter it every time.  
Second, it has bookmarks so I can just say "o speakup" instead of "open 
ftp.linux-speakup.org."  It has nice progress bars so I'm not wondering 
if it's still working when downloading big files.

[The entire original message is not included]

RE: command line ftp client

[eheil1]

What' sets those clients apart is their support of completion and cached directories. Standard ftp doesn't. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:19 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: command line ftp client

The standard "ftp" client works well, also lftp and ncftp are good 
choices.
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 08:59:15PM +0000, Keith Barrett wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Looking for any suggestions for an ftp client that works well with 
> speakup.
> 
> I am planning to do some alterations to my web site and would be good to 
> be able to upload and download the files in linux.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Keith Barrett
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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RE: command line ftp client

[eheil1]

Hi their. I haven't followed this thread but excellent command line clients are lftp and ncftp. tht3

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Hallenbeck <chuckh@ftml.net>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:47 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: command line ftp client

Chris,
Sitecopy looks neat, and is available as a Debian package.

Chuck

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 08:39:05AM -0600, Chris Brannon wrote:
> Keith Barrett writes:
> > I am planning to do some alterations to my web site and would be good to
> > be able to upload and download the files in linux.
> 
> I use sitecopy for maintaining my website.
> http://www.manyfish.co.uk/sitecopy/
> The master copy of my site is on my hard drive, under ~/myweb/upload.
> Whenever I change something in that tree, I invoke sitecopy to propagate
> those changes to my ISP's FTP server.
> You will need to spend a few minutes reading the manpage and writing a config
> file, but the tool is very easy to use once it is configured.
> I am including my own config file.
> 
> Regards,
> -- Chris
> 
> ----- begin .sitecopyrc -----
> site cox 
> server members.cox.net
> remote / # All my files are under / on remote server
> local /home/chris/myweb/upload
> username cmbrannon
> password not4u2know
> protocol ftp
> ----- end .sitecopyrc -----
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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