experimental js and ajax capable text browser

experimental js and ajax capable text browser

[Kirk Reiser]

Hi folks: I'd like to let anyone interested in playing with or working
on a javascript and ajax capable web browser, know that we have one in
alpha stages of operation.  It has a long way to go before winning any
awards but is quite usable currently.

It is not the easiest package to get installed and running, so we need
some help with that if anyone is interested.

The principal author is Brandon McGinty Carol with me being a
interested hanger-on.

Brandon would also like if someone would be interested in helping
develop a license for the package.  He says me being an anarchist is
of no use to him at all in that matter.

We have a public git repository at http://linux-speakup.org/wb.git and
a mailing list you can subscribe to at wb-subscribe@braille.uwo.ca.

I have probably forgot to mention about a zillion things so Brandon
feel free to smack me about the head freely.

If you have any questions, please let us know.  We'd sure appreciate
folks involvement with the project.

   Kirk
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e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: experimental js and ajax capable text browser

[Samuel Thibault]

Kirk Reiser, le Tue 04 Sep 2012 13:53:48 -0400, a écrit :
> Brandon would also like if someone would be interested in helping
> develop a license for the package.

I'd rather recommend using an existing license. Writing a license is a
difficult thing to do and creates yet another license that the user
would have to read.

Samuel

Re: experimental js and ajax capable text browser

[Kyle]

This certainly sounds like an interesting project. As for packaging, I'll take a look, as I should be able to easily write a PKGBUILD for the Arch User Repository.

As for a license, my personal favorite, which I use for any code I write is
http://unlicense.org
Having said this, any existing free software license would be beneficial to the community of both users and developers. As the Arch PKGBUILD specification requires a license field to be filled in, I would feel more comfortable with packaging if the project already has a license.
~Kyle
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Re: experimental js and ajax capable text browser

[covici]

That URL does not work -- it returns forbidden while accessing one of
the subdirectories.

Kirk Reiser <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> wrote:

> Hi folks: I'd like to let anyone interested in playing with or working
> on a javascript and ajax capable web browser, know that we have one in
> alpha stages of operation.  It has a long way to go before winning any
> awards but is quite usable currently.
> 
> It is not the easiest package to get installed and running, so we need
> some help with that if anyone is interested.
> 
> The principal author is Brandon McGinty Carol with me being a
> interested hanger-on.
> 
> Brandon would also like if someone would be interested in helping
> develop a license for the package.  He says me being an anarchist is
> of no use to him at all in that matter.
> 
> We have a public git repository at http://linux-speakup.org/wb.git and
> a mailing list you can subscribe to at wb-subscribe@braille.uwo.ca.
> 
> I have probably forgot to mention about a zillion things so Brandon
> feel free to smack me about the head freely.
> 
> If you have any questions, please let us know.  We'd sure appreciate
> folks involvement with the project.
> 
>   Kirk
> --
> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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         covici@ccs.covici.com

Re: experimental js and ajax capable text browser

[Kirk Reiser]

It should be okay now John.  We seem to be having a tad of trouble
with our update script on pushes.

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:

> That URL does not work -- it returns forbidden while accessing one of
> the subdirectories.
>
> Kirk Reiser <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks: I'd like to let anyone interested in playing with or working
>> on a javascript and ajax capable web browser, know that we have one in
>> alpha stages of operation.  It has a long way to go before winning any
>> awards but is quite usable currently.
>>
>> It is not the easiest package to get installed and running, so we need
>> some help with that if anyone is interested.
>>
>> The principal author is Brandon McGinty Carol with me being a
>> interested hanger-on.
>>
>> Brandon would also like if someone would be interested in helping
>> develop a license for the package.  He says me being an anarchist is
>> of no use to him at all in that matter.
>>
>> We have a public git repository at http://linux-speakup.org/wb.git and
>> a mailing list you can subscribe to at wb-subscribe@braille.uwo.ca.
>>
>> I have probably forgot to mention about a zillion things so Brandon
>> feel free to smack me about the head freely.
>>
>> If you have any questions, please let us know.  We'd sure appreciate
>> folks involvement with the project.
>>
>>   Kirk
>> --
>> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
>> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
>> phone: (519) 661-3061
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> How do
> you spend it?
>
>         John Covici
>         covici@ccs.covici.com
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: experimental js and ajax capable text browser

[covici]

OK, I have it now -- now to fool.

Kirk Reiser <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> wrote:

> It should be okay now John.  We seem to be having a tad of trouble
> with our update script on pushes.
> 
> On Tue, 4 Sep 2012, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> 
> > That URL does not work -- it returns forbidden while accessing one of
> > the subdirectories.
> >
> > Kirk Reiser <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks: I'd like to let anyone interested in playing with or working
> >> on a javascript and ajax capable web browser, know that we have one in
> >> alpha stages of operation.  It has a long way to go before winning any
> >> awards but is quite usable currently.
> >>
> >> It is not the easiest package to get installed and running, so we need
> >> some help with that if anyone is interested.
> >>
> >> The principal author is Brandon McGinty Carol with me being a
> >> interested hanger-on.
> >>
> >> Brandon would also like if someone would be interested in helping
> >> develop a license for the package.  He says me being an anarchist is
> >> of no use to him at all in that matter.
> >>
> >> We have a public git repository at http://linux-speakup.org/wb.git and
> >> a mailing list you can subscribe to at wb-subscribe@braille.uwo.ca.
> >>
> >> I have probably forgot to mention about a zillion things so Brandon
> >> feel free to smack me about the head freely.
> >>
> >> If you have any questions, please let us know.  We'd sure appreciate
> >> folks involvement with the project.
> >>
> >>   Kirk
> >> --
> >> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> >> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> >> phone: (519) 661-3061
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > -- 
> > Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> > How do
> > you spend it?
> >
> >         John Covici
> >         covici@ccs.covici.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> --
> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: experimental js and ajax capable text browser

[Robert Spangler]

Just curious but has this project gone anywhere?  Haven't heard anything 
recently.


Thanks,
Robert Spangler, B.A. in Urban Studies and Spanish
spangler.robert@gmail.com

On 9/4/2012 1:53 PM, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> Hi folks: I'd like to let anyone interested in playing with or working
> on a javascript and ajax capable web browser, know that we have one in
> alpha stages of operation.  It has a long way to go before winning any
> awards but is quite usable currently.
>
> It is not the easiest package to get installed and running, so we need
> some help with that if anyone is interested.
>
> The principal author is Brandon McGinty Carol with me being a
> interested hanger-on.
>
> Brandon would also like if someone would be interested in helping
> develop a license for the package.  He says me being an anarchist is
> of no use to him at all in that matter.
>
> We have a public git repository at http://linux-speakup.org/wb.git and
> a mailing list you can subscribe to at wb-subscribe@braille.uwo.ca.
>
> I have probably forgot to mention about a zillion things so Brandon
> feel free to smack me about the head freely.
>
> If you have any questions, please let us know.  We'd sure appreciate
> folks involvement with the project.
>
>    Kirk
> --
> Kirk Reiser                The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca        University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: experimental js and ajax capable text browser

[Kirk Reiser]

Yes, it is being actively worked on.  It is pretty slow because
there's only two of us doing much and only one of us really working on
it all the time.  We usually just post any updates to the mailing list
we've set up for the project and even then it is not a high traffic
list.

It uses a lot of dependencies and so getting it to the point where it
compiles and runs cleanly in user space has been my most recent
project.  I believe we have made good progress on that.  I don't mean
userspace I mean as a standard nonroot user.

Brandon is working on debugging js related bugs and I am going to work
on the bookmarking code next.  There is still a lot of work to do but
it is coming along quite nicely I believe.

   Kirk

On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Robert Spangler wrote:

> Just curious but has this project gone anywhere?  Haven't heard anything 
> recently.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Robert Spangler, B.A. in Urban Studies and Spanish
> spangler.robert@gmail.com
>
> On 9/4/2012 1:53 PM, Kirk Reiser wrote:
>> Hi folks: I'd like to let anyone interested in playing with or working
>> on a javascript and ajax capable web browser, know that we have one in
>> alpha stages of operation.  It has a long way to go before winning any
>> awards but is quite usable currently.
>> 
>> It is not the easiest package to get installed and running, so we need
>> some help with that if anyone is interested.
>> 
>> The principal author is Brandon McGinty Carol with me being a
>> interested hanger-on.
>> 
>> Brandon would also like if someone would be interested in helping
>> develop a license for the package.  He says me being an anarchist is
>> of no use to him at all in that matter.
>> 
>> We have a public git repository at http://linux-speakup.org/wb.git and
>> a mailing list you can subscribe to at wb-subscribe@braille.uwo.ca.
>> 
>> I have probably forgot to mention about a zillion things so Brandon
>> feel free to smack me about the head freely.
>> 
>> If you have any questions, please let us know.  We'd sure appreciate
>> folks involvement with the project.
>>
>>    Kirk
>> --
>> Kirk Reiser                The Computer Braille Facility
>> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca        University of Western Ontario
>> phone: (519) 661-3061
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@linux-speakup.org
> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: experimental js and ajax capable text browser

[Kyle]

Has any decision been made yet regarding licensing? I understand from 
the original post that licensing was still undetermined.

Personally, I'm a big fan of the unlicense[1] or cc0[2] which can be 
used for software, unlike most of the CC licenses. On the other hand, if 
you still wish to retain copyright on the code while preserving software 
freedom, GPL 2 or later is probably best, unless there's a specific 
reason i.e. linking against incompatibly licensed code, that GPL can't 
be used. Generally though, the whole GPL and linking thing usually works 
the other way, where you can't link against a GPL licensed library with 
a non-GPL licensed application, so I don't see this as a problem in this 
case. Just some thoughts, hopefully there's something useful here.

[1]: http://unlicense.org/
[2]: http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
~Kyle
http://kyle.tk/
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Re: experimental js and ajax capable text browser

[Kirk Reiser]

I don't think we've really worked out an exact licensing type.  We
have a basic lisence aggreement in the root of the directory basically
saying that if our software blows up your system, you aggreee to
forget where we live.  Of course, if you like our software then you
aggree to send us truck loads of money in small unmarked bills or
preferably bitcoins.  For our part, we aggree to heartily spend all
received funds in decadent and illicit fashion.  What more of a
license could one wish?

   Kirk



On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Kyle wrote:

> Has any decision been made yet regarding licensing? I understand from the 
> original post that licensing was still undetermined.
>
> Personally, I'm a big fan of the unlicense[1] or cc0[2] which can be used for 
> software, unlike most of the CC licenses. On the other hand, if you still 
> wish to retain copyright on the code while preserving software freedom, GPL 2 
> or later is probably best, unless there's a specific reason i.e. linking 
> against incompatibly licensed code, that GPL can't be used. Generally though, 
> the whole GPL and linking thing usually works the other way, where you can't 
> link against a GPL licensed library with a non-GPL licensed application, so I 
> don't see this as a problem in this case. Just some thoughts, hopefully 
> there's something useful here.
>
> [1]: http://unlicense.org/
> [2]: http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
> ~Kyle
> http://kyle.tk/
>

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Re: experimental js and ajax capable text browser

[Kyle]

Hahah I like that. Sounds somewhat close to the stuff I linked, but the 
stuff I linked sounds a bit more "official," "legal," or whatever. <smiles>
~Kyle
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