Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

[Hal]

----- Forwarded message from Hal <haltec@frontier.com> -----

                            CORRECTION..
The libportaudio library was not from the Mandrake repository.. Duh..
That "mdk" is probably the initials of the compiler to a Slack tgz file.
Sorry if this caused any confusion.. :^(..

Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:19:06 -0400
From: Hal <haltec@frontier.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?
Reply-To: haltec@frontier.com

On 09-28, Øyvind Lode wrote:
> Does Slackware include Speakup?
> Is it possible to install Slackware with software speech?

          For what it's worth: Slackware 13.0 can be installed with a
speakup.s kernel, that worked for me but I didn't document what I did.
:^(...

          However; I tried again with a fresh install of the huge.s
kernel that I couldn't get working so I tried again with the
huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp kernel, and was able to test invoking espeak or
speak and typing text /or/ importing a text file and that worked..

         My notes say I had to do this: (I used the JFS file system for
the test.) Installed/compiled the following:

   libportaudio0-18.1-4mdk.i586.tgz     from the Mandrake repository.
                                        Required by PortAudio..
   pa_stable_v19_20071207.tar.gz        
   speakup-3.1.5.tar.bz2
   espeakup-0.71.tar.bz2
   speech-dispatcher-0.7.tar.gz         Haven't tried this yet..

          The above on an i810, P III machine.. This message typed on a
different machine..
-- 
          Hal       UNIX-GNU/Linux; Slackware 10.2  kernel 2.6.13
               www.asciiribbon.org


----- End forwarded message -----

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Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

[Garry Turkington]

Hi,

I've just tried to get the latest stable Speakup 3.1.5 running on a
Ubuntu 10.04.1 VM.

Speakup compiled and the modules loaded cleanly.  Espeakup compiled
but on launch it throws bt-audio-service-open connection refused
errors and I don't have console speech.

I remember having this exact problem years ago on maybe Ubuntu 8.10 or
so and I never solved it -- ended up moving to Debian.  But I've now
got a real need to have a fully accessible Ubuntu desktop.

Has anyone else encountered and hopefully solved this problem?

Alternatively, any advice for getting Speakup running on my Ubuntu
desktop welcomed.  I've got Orca running via Espeak and
Speech-dispatcher but I recall past issues trying to get both Orca and
Speakup running via speech-dispatcher on the one box.

Advice much welcomed!

Thanks,
Garry

Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

[Storm Dragon]

Hi,
I think for it to work correctly you'd have to set pulseaudio to run as
a system wide service. You could also try launching speakup and espeakup
or speechd-up after the desktop has loaded.
Probably the easiest way is to install Vinux which has all this stuff
working already but is Ubuntu 10.04 under the hood.
HTH
Storm
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On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 16:22 +0100, Garry Turkington wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've just tried to get the latest stable Speakup 3.1.5 running on a
> Ubuntu 10.04.1 VM.
> 
> Speakup compiled and the modules loaded cleanly.  Espeakup compiled
> but on launch it throws bt-audio-service-open connection refused
> errors and I don't have console speech.
> 
> I remember having this exact problem years ago on maybe Ubuntu 8.10 or
> so and I never solved it -- ended up moving to Debian.  But I've now
> got a real need to have a fully accessible Ubuntu desktop.
> 
> Has anyone else encountered and hopefully solved this problem?
> 
> Alternatively, any advice for getting Speakup running on my Ubuntu
> desktop welcomed.  I've got Orca running via Espeak and
> Speech-dispatcher but I recall past issues trying to get both Orca and
> Speakup running via speech-dispatcher on the one box.
> 
> Advice much welcomed!
> 
> Thanks,
> Garry
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

[Janitha Rukmal]

  Hi,
I also used to have this issue and similarly didn't find a good 
solution. In my case though, Speakup worked pretty well but all the rest 
that's to do with sound were muted. I mean to say that even I didn't 
hear the loging in sound or any songs / media files with sounds. But I 
just reinstalled Ubuntu and I'm still relying on Orca.
If somebody can guide us as to how this
> set pulseaudio to run as
> a system wide service.
Thing can be done, It will be very much appreciated.
I also think that the issue lies there with

pulseaudio.

Regards
Janitha Rukmal
  

On 9/26/2010 12:04 AM, Storm Dragon wrote:
> Hi,
> I think for it to work correctly you'd have to set pulseaudio to run as
> a system wide service. You could also try launching speakup and espeakup
> or speechd-up after the desktop has loaded.
> Probably the easiest way is to install Vinux which has all this stuff
> working already but is Ubuntu 10.04 under the hood.
> HTH
> Storm

Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

[Storm Dragon]

Hi,
I am not sure how to do it. There's pobably a tutorial lying around
somewhere, but the easy solution would be to add the Vinux repository
and run the build-vinux script. You can choose to not add all the extra
key bindings if you don't want them.
HTH
Storm
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On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 00:46 +0530, Janitha Rukmal wrote:

> Hi,
> I also used to have this issue and similarly didn't find a good 
> solution. In my case though, Speakup worked pretty well but all the rest 
> that's to do with sound were muted. I mean to say that even I didn't 
> hear the loging in sound or any songs / media files with sounds. But I 
> just reinstalled Ubuntu and I'm still relying on Orca.
> If somebody can guide us as to how this
> > set pulseaudio to run as
> > a system wide service.
> Thing can be done, It will be very much appreciated.
> I also think that the issue lies there with
> 
> pulseaudio.
> 
> Regards
> Janitha Rukmal
>   
> 
> On 9/26/2010 12:04 AM, Storm Dragon wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I think for it to work correctly you'd have to set pulseaudio to run as
> > a system wide service. You could also try launching speakup and espeakup
> > or speechd-up after the desktop has loaded.
> > Probably the easiest way is to install Vinux which has all this stuff
> > working already but is Ubuntu 10.04 under the hood.
> > HTH
> > Storm
> 
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> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

[Kirk Reiser]

I can't really give any help for the pulse audio on system wide use
but one thing you might try is using espeakup with alsa directly
bypassing pulse audio.  To do that you give --with-alsa on the
./configure command line when configuring the package.  Sometimes a
tweak is necessary in alsa.c for smooth output buffering but that can
be managed if it works better than the default set-up.

   Kirk


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e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.  That will only work if you don't do anything that starts pulseaudio.  The default for pulseaudio
opens the sound card and no other apps can use it at that point.
In my opinion, pulseaudio is a badly behaved app with a developer who refuses to listen to the needs of blind users who use software speech.
It should be avoided as much as possible.
Ubuntu's decision to force pulseaudio on it's users is why I no longer run Ubuntu.

          Kenny

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 08:28:06AM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> I can't really give any help for the pulse audio on system wide use
> but one thing you might try is using espeakup with alsa directly
> bypassing pulse audio.  To do that you give --with-alsa on the
> ./configure command line when configuring the package.  Sometimes a
> tweak is necessary in alsa.c for smooth output buffering but that can
> be managed if it works better than the default set-up.
> 
>   Kirk
> 
> 
> --
> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

[Adam Myrow]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Kenny Hitt wrote:

> In my opinion, pulseaudio is a badly behaved app with a developer who 
> refuses to listen to the needs of blind users who use software speech.

I agree fully.  Apparently, I'm not alone in this, either.  There is a 
version of Gnome for Slackware Linux called GSB.  The previous two 
versions included Pulseaudio.  I always had to find some way to disable it 
in order to use both Espeak and have sounds.  The current version ditched 
Pulseaudio completely, and includes Espeak as one of its packages.  I 
wouldn't even have messed with Gnome in Slackware 13.1 if they hadn't 
decided to do this.  I hope others will soon follow this trend.  If 
everybody drops Pulseaudio, either the developer will get the message, or 
it will be abandoned.

Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

[Øyvind Lode]

On 28.09.2010 01:31, Adam Myrow wrote:
> I agree fully. Apparently, I'm not alone in this, either. There is a
> version of Gnome for Slackware Linux called GSB. The previous two
> versions included Pulseaudio. I always had to find some way to disable
> it in order to use both Espeak and have sounds. The current version
> ditched Pulseaudio completely, and includes Espeak as one of its
> packages. I wouldn't even have messed with Gnome in Slackware 13.1 if
> they hadn't decided to do this. I hope others will soon follow this
> trend. If everybody drops Pulseaudio, either the developer will get the
> message, or it will be abandoned.

Interesting!
Though I'm currently not interested in GNOME.
Does Slackware include Speakup?
Is it possible to install Slackware with software speech?

Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

[Steve Holmes]

My last experience with Slackware is you had to use a hardware synth.
Yes, Speakup comes with Slackware; just use the speakup.s image if
memory serves me right.  I may be attempting a new Slackware install
on my old laptop here as no other distro will work on it; most distros
require newer processors than this laptop and Slackware was the only
one I could get to work on it.  I just hope the latest Slackware uses
a kernel that still allows speakup to use serial ports.  I think it is
kernels of 2.6.34 and later that speakup's serial support falls
appart.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 09:23:05AM +0200, Øyvind Lode wrote:
> On 28.09.2010 01:31, Adam Myrow wrote:
> >I agree fully. Apparently, I'm not alone in this, either. There is a
> >version of Gnome for Slackware Linux called GSB. The previous two
> >versions included Pulseaudio. I always had to find some way to disable
> >it in order to use both Espeak and have sounds. The current version
> >ditched Pulseaudio completely, and includes Espeak as one of its
> >packages. I wouldn't even have messed with Gnome in Slackware 13.1 if
> >they hadn't decided to do this. I hope others will soon follow this
> >trend. If everybody drops Pulseaudio, either the developer will get the
> >message, or it will be abandoned.
> 
> Interesting!
> Though I'm currently not interested in GNOME.
> Does Slackware include Speakup?
> Is it possible to install Slackware with software speech?
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

[Adam Myrow]

Slackware still doesn't support software speech at install time, but it 
uses 2.6.33.4, which seems to have no problems with serial support, at 
least with my Dectalk USB in serial mode.

Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

[Hal]

On 09-28, Øyvind Lode wrote:
> Does Slackware include Speakup?
> Is it possible to install Slackware with software speech?

          For what it's worth: Slackware 13.0 can be installed with a
speakup.s kernel, that worked for me but I didn't document what I did.
:^(...

          However; I tried again with a fresh install of the huge.s
kernel that I couldn't get working so I tried again with the
huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp kernel, and was able to test invoking espeak or
speak and typing text /or/ importing a text file and that worked..

         My notes say I had to do this: (I used the JFS file system for
the test.) Installed/compiled the following:

   libportaudio0-18.1-4mdk.i586.tgz     from the Mandrake repository.
                                        Required by PortAudio..
   pa_stable_v19_20071207.tar.gz        
   speakup-3.1.5.tar.bz2
   espeakup-0.71.tar.bz2
   speech-dispatcher-0.7.tar.gz         Haven't tried this yet..

          The above on an i810, P III machine.. This message typed on a
different machine..
-- 
          Hal       UNIX-GNU/Linux; Slackware 10.2  kernel 2.6.13
               www.asciiribbon.org

Re: Running Speakup on Ubuntu Lynx?

[Hal]

On 09-28, Øyvind Lode wrote:
> Does Slackware include Speakup?
> Is it possible to install Slackware with software speech?

          For what it's worth: Slackware 13.0 can be installed with a
speakup.s kernel, that worked for me but I didn't document what I did.
:^(...

          However; I tried again with a fresh install of the huge.s
kernel that I couldn't get working so I tried again with the
huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp kernel, and was able to test invoking espeak or
speak and typing text /or/ importing a text file and that worked..

         My notes say I had to do this: (I used the JFS file system for
the test.) Installed/compiled the following:

   libportaudio0-18.1-4mdk.i586.tgz     from the Mandrake repository.
                                        Required by PortAudio..
   pa_stable_v19_20071207.tar.gz        
   speakup-3.1.5.tar.bz2
   espeakup-0.71.tar.bz2
   speech-dispatcher-0.7.tar.gz         Haven't tried this yet..

          The above on an i810, P III machine.. This message typed on a
different machine..
-- 
          Hal       UNIX-GNU/Linux; Slackware 10.2  kernel 2.6.13
               www.asciiribbon.org