* dectalk or double talk advice @ Cody Hurst ` Littlefield, tyler 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Cody Hurst @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, I am really in a bind here. I don't have a synth and will be needing one for my networking course I'll be taking next year. For this purpose, I'll need an external synth and don't really know anything about each dectalk or double talk. I can easily borrow one, but first I'd like to know which one would be more recommended. First I'll be doing installs of Suse 9.x or maybe 10.x not sure yet, and netware. I am not sure if I need special screen reading software that is always built into a kernel such as speakup for double talk or dectalk to always work. I was just checking mail and saw someone received their double talk in the mail and said they'd try an install of slackware. I have no idea how slackware is with accessibility, but I really need help on a decision before september and what I should look into borrowing. Does this mean that either one of these will work in reading text allowed even if no special software is installed? I couldn't imagine this one but maybe I'm wrong. Which port is more commonly used, serial or USB? I can't use an internal double talk pc since I'll be moving from station to station most likely and will want something portable. I have widdled it down to these two, but please let me know if there are any better alternatives. Basically I want to be able to take it out of the box, plug it in, and be able to boot my pc, and have speech be spoke with as little issues as possible and from what I hear, double talk is probably the way to go on this one. Thanx, Cody ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: dectalk or double talk advice dectalk or double talk advice Cody Hurst @ ` Littlefield, tyler ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Littlefield, tyler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. First, you're not going to get speech support without a program. The screen reader puts hooks in the kernel, or catches the video in the case of jaws, and translates. Next, I'd recommend USB, because, if you start using newer systems, most don't have a serial port. Third, the accessibility of slackware is fine, unless you insist on running under gnome, x, or something else, then you're really not getting the benafit of linux. HTH, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35@verizon.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 12:11 AM Subject: dectalk or double talk advice > Hi, > > I am really in a bind here. I don't have a synth and will be needing > one for my networking course I'll be taking next year. For this purpose, > I'll need an external synth and don't really know anything about each > dectalk or double talk. I can easily borrow one, but first I'd like to > know which one would be more recommended. First I'll be doing installs > of Suse 9.x or maybe 10.x not sure yet, and netware. I am not sure if I > need special screen reading software that is always built into a kernel > such as speakup for double talk or dectalk to always work. I was just > checking mail and saw someone received their double talk in the mail and > said they'd try an install of slackware. I have no idea how slackware is > with accessibility, but I really need help on a decision before > september and what I should look into borrowing. > > Does this mean that either one of these will work in reading text > allowed even if no special software is installed? I couldn't imagine > this one but maybe I'm wrong. > > Which port is more commonly used, serial or USB? I can't use an internal > double talk pc since I'll be moving from station to station most likely > and will want something portable. I have widdled it down to these two, > but please let me know if there are any better alternatives. Basically I > want to be able to take it out of the box, plug it in, and be able to > boot my pc, and have speech be spoke with as little issues as possible > and from what I hear, double talk is probably the way to go on this one. > > Thanx, > Cody > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: dectalk or double talk advice ` Littlefield, tyler @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Cody Hurst 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 First, the operating systems mentioned were suse linux, and netware. There was no mention of windows, thus I don't see how the reference to jaws fits in, unless it was to explain how jaws gets its data, which is besides the point. Also, the reference to usb being the better choice was inappropriate, since speakup currently doesn't support usb synths, as has been mentioned here frequently, especially in recent threads. Having said that, if you're going to rely on speakup, you will want to be sure that all the work stations you're going to use have at least 1 rs232 serial port. If they don't, then you're in trouble if you expect to use speakup. Also, be aware that suse doesn't include speakup in their distribution, and I'm not aware of any existing suse kernels with speakup patched into them. You mentioned also not being sure about the accessibility of slackware. Actually, slackware was the first distribution to include a speakup-patched kernel in the official slackware media. As for which synth to choose, I think the 2 biggest factors in that decision are the speech, and the price of each. The doubletalk lt is cheaper than the dectalk usb, which does also have a serial port as far as I know. As for the speech, I personally prefer that of the doubletalk, but that's probably because I've used a doubletalk far more than I have used a dectalk, and others may disagree here as well. Speech is a very qualitative subject, and there is no synth that fits every person's taste perfectly. As an aside, you wouldn't have been able to use a doubletalk pc anyway, because they aren't being produced anymore, and because it is very hard these days to find a pc with an isa slot. Hth. Greg On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 12:23:06AM -0700, Littlefield, tyler wrote: > First, you're not going to get speech support without a program. > The screen reader puts hooks in the kernel, or catches the video in the case > of jaws, and translates. > Next, I'd recommend USB, because, if you start using newer systems, most > don't have a serial port. > Third, the accessibility of slackware is fine, unless you insist on running > under gnome, x, or something else, then you're really not getting the > benafit of linux. > HTH, - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGfCdV7s9z/XlyUyARAhQoAKC2pAxtaBHQFbcRxJ7X3YAKxDtHqwCg1nOM uSZ2tei1eRwXa/lpYrCpqgg= =UAdR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: dectalk or double talk advice ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Cody Hurst ` Alex Snow ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Cody Hurst @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Greg, Thanks for filling me in on Slackware. I will first look into the double talk lt. I kind of figured serial would have to be my obvious choice, however I jsut wanted to make sure. These systems are older (not ancient) but bottom linie they more than likely have a few serials on them. As far as the software part goes, are there any other alternatives to speakup, so at least I can have a taste of a few if I should ever need another one. It is just kind of up to me to I guess you could say "fend for myself" on this course since the school really doesn't know what is best for me and never has had a visually impaired person in their networking course. I wish things woud work out of the box but we know about that. Thanks, Cody On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 12:47 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > First, the operating systems mentioned were suse linux, and > netware. There was no mention of windows, thus I don't see how the > reference to jaws fits in, unless it was to explain how jaws gets its > data, which is besides the point. > > Also, the reference to usb being the better choice was > inappropriate, since speakup currently doesn't support usb synths, as has > been mentioned here frequently, especially in recent threads. Having > said that, if you're going to rely on speakup, you will want to be > sure that all the work stations you're going to use have at least 1 > rs232 serial port. If they don't, then you're in trouble if you > expect to use speakup. > > Also, be aware that suse doesn't include speakup in their > distribution, and I'm not aware of any existing suse kernels with > speakup patched into them. You mentioned also not being sure about the > accessibility of slackware. Actually, slackware was the first > distribution to include a speakup-patched kernel in the official > slackware media. > > As for which synth to choose, I think the 2 biggest factors in that > decision are the speech, and the price of each. The doubletalk lt is > cheaper than the dectalk usb, which does also have a serial port as > far as I know. As for the speech, I personally prefer that of the > doubletalk, but that's probably because I've used a doubletalk far > more than I have used a dectalk, and others may disagree here as > well. Speech is a very qualitative subject, and there is no synth that > fits every person's taste perfectly. As an aside, you wouldn't have > been able to use a doubletalk pc anyway, because they aren't being produced > anymore, and because it is very hard these days to find a pc with an > isa slot. Hth. > > Greg > > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 12:23:06AM -0700, Littlefield, tyler wrote: > > First, you're not going to get speech support without a program. > > The screen reader puts hooks in the kernel, or catches the video in the case > > of jaws, and translates. > > Next, I'd recommend USB, because, if you start using newer systems, most > > don't have a serial port. > > Third, the accessibility of slackware is fine, unless you insist on running > > under gnome, x, or something else, then you're really not getting the > > benafit of linux. > > HTH, > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFGfCdV7s9z/XlyUyARAhQoAKC2pAxtaBHQFbcRxJ7X3YAKxDtHqwCg1nOM > uSZ2tei1eRwXa/lpYrCpqgg= > =UAdR > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: dectalk or double talk advice ` Cody Hurst @ ` Alex Snow ` Cody Hurst ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I survived both a Networking course and an Intro to Unix course using slackware while everyone else used SuSe. On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 04:14:51PM -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > Hi Greg, > > Thanks for filling me in on Slackware. I will first look into the > double talk lt. I kind of figured serial would have to be my obvious > choice, however I jsut wanted to make sure. These systems are older (not > ancient) but bottom linie they more than likely have a few serials on > them. > > As far as the software part goes, are there any other alternatives to > speakup, so at least I can have a taste of a few if I should ever need > another one. It is just kind of up to me to I guess you could say "fend > for myself" on this course since the school really doesn't know what is > best for me and never has had a visually impaired person in their > networking course. I wish things woud work out of the box but we know > about that. > > Thanks, > Cody > > On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 12:47 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > First, the operating systems mentioned were suse linux, and > > netware. There was no mention of windows, thus I don't see how the > > reference to jaws fits in, unless it was to explain how jaws gets its > > data, which is besides the point. > > > > Also, the reference to usb being the better choice was > > inappropriate, since speakup currently doesn't support usb synths, as has > > been mentioned here frequently, especially in recent threads. Having > > said that, if you're going to rely on speakup, you will want to be > > sure that all the work stations you're going to use have at least 1 > > rs232 serial port. If they don't, then you're in trouble if you > > expect to use speakup. > > > > Also, be aware that suse doesn't include speakup in their > > distribution, and I'm not aware of any existing suse kernels with > > speakup patched into them. You mentioned also not being sure about the > > accessibility of slackware. Actually, slackware was the first > > distribution to include a speakup-patched kernel in the official > > slackware media. > > > > As for which synth to choose, I think the 2 biggest factors in that > > decision are the speech, and the price of each. The doubletalk lt is > > cheaper than the dectalk usb, which does also have a serial port as > > far as I know. As for the speech, I personally prefer that of the > > doubletalk, but that's probably because I've used a doubletalk far > > more than I have used a dectalk, and others may disagree here as > > well. Speech is a very qualitative subject, and there is no synth that > > fits every person's taste perfectly. As an aside, you wouldn't have > > been able to use a doubletalk pc anyway, because they aren't being produced > > anymore, and because it is very hard these days to find a pc with an > > isa slot. Hth. > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 12:23:06AM -0700, Littlefield, tyler wrote: > > > First, you're not going to get speech support without a program. > > > The screen reader puts hooks in the kernel, or catches the video in the case > > > of jaws, and translates. > > > Next, I'd recommend USB, because, if you start using newer systems, most > > > don't have a serial port. > > > Third, the accessibility of slackware is fine, unless you insist on running > > > under gnome, x, or something else, then you're really not getting the > > > benafit of linux. > > > HTH, > > > > > > - -- > > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > > skype: gregn1 > > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > > > - -- > > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFGfCdV7s9z/XlyUyARAhQoAKC2pAxtaBHQFbcRxJ7X3YAKxDtHqwCg1nOM > > uSZ2tei1eRwXa/lpYrCpqgg= > > =UAdR > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- But what can you do with it? -- ubiquitous cry from Linux-user partner ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: dectalk or double talk advice ` Alex Snow @ ` Cody Hurst 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Cody Hurst @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I like your approach, the only probablem with this is that I have to take a novell test and we used suse and netware, so I don't think it would fly. However I would be interested in your preparation for the course. What did the course intail? Email me off list. My course deals with stuff like cisco routers, setting up networks and maintaining them setting up servers, etc. Cody On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 16:22 -0400, Alex Snow wrote: > I survived both a Networking course and an Intro to Unix course using > slackware while everyone else used SuSe. > On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at > 04:14:51PM -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > > > Thanks for filling me in on Slackware. I will first look into the > > double talk lt. I kind of figured serial would have to be my obvious > > choice, however I jsut wanted to make sure. These systems are older (not > > ancient) but bottom linie they more than likely have a few serials on > > them. > > > > As far as the software part goes, are there any other alternatives to > > speakup, so at least I can have a taste of a few if I should ever need > > another one. It is just kind of up to me to I guess you could say "fend > > for myself" on this course since the school really doesn't know what is > > best for me and never has had a visually impaired person in their > > networking course. I wish things woud work out of the box but we know > > about that. > > > > Thanks, > > Cody > > > > On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 12:47 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > First, the operating systems mentioned were suse linux, and > > > netware. There was no mention of windows, thus I don't see how the > > > reference to jaws fits in, unless it was to explain how jaws gets its > > > data, which is besides the point. > > > > > > Also, the reference to usb being the better choice was > > > inappropriate, since speakup currently doesn't support usb synths, as has > > > been mentioned here frequently, especially in recent threads. Having > > > said that, if you're going to rely on speakup, you will want to be > > > sure that all the work stations you're going to use have at least 1 > > > rs232 serial port. If they don't, then you're in trouble if you > > > expect to use speakup. > > > > > > Also, be aware that suse doesn't include speakup in their > > > distribution, and I'm not aware of any existing suse kernels with > > > speakup patched into them. You mentioned also not being sure about the > > > accessibility of slackware. Actually, slackware was the first > > > distribution to include a speakup-patched kernel in the official > > > slackware media. > > > > > > As for which synth to choose, I think the 2 biggest factors in that > > > decision are the speech, and the price of each. The doubletalk lt is > > > cheaper than the dectalk usb, which does also have a serial port as > > > far as I know. As for the speech, I personally prefer that of the > > > doubletalk, but that's probably because I've used a doubletalk far > > > more than I have used a dectalk, and others may disagree here as > > > well. Speech is a very qualitative subject, and there is no synth that > > > fits every person's taste perfectly. As an aside, you wouldn't have > > > been able to use a doubletalk pc anyway, because they aren't being produced > > > anymore, and because it is very hard these days to find a pc with an > > > isa slot. Hth. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 12:23:06AM -0700, Littlefield, tyler wrote: > > > > First, you're not going to get speech support without a program. > > > > The screen reader puts hooks in the kernel, or catches the video in the case > > > > of jaws, and translates. > > > > Next, I'd recommend USB, because, if you start using newer systems, most > > > > don't have a serial port. > > > > Third, the accessibility of slackware is fine, unless you insist on running > > > > under gnome, x, or something else, then you're really not getting the > > > > benafit of linux. > > > > HTH, > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > > > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > > > skype: gregn1 > > > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > > > > > - -- > > > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFGfCdV7s9z/XlyUyARAhQoAKC2pAxtaBHQFbcRxJ7X3YAKxDtHqwCg1nOM > > > uSZ2tei1eRwXa/lpYrCpqgg= > > > =UAdR > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: dectalk or double talk advice ` Cody Hurst ` Alex Snow @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Cody Hurst 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 04:14:51PM -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > As far as the software part goes, are there any other alternatives to > speakup, so at least I can have a taste of a few if I should ever need > another one. Well, there are yaser, and jupiter, neither of which I have tried. There is also emacspeak, which I did try about 5 years ago, and found that it has a steep learning curve. You should be able to get the web sites for all 3 by googling. Good luck. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGfDON7s9z/XlyUyARArP2AJ40CoHCvlG4G/Pj/CP3RM17tp4MoACg2xuX VBaZTQ52zoSS1nUrmgZCgpk= =cm5d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: dectalk or double talk advice ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Cody Hurst ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Cody Hurst @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Are there perhaps Braille displays that are supported that I can use that speech probably won't be able to do? On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 13:39 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 04:14:51PM -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > > As far as the software part goes, are there any other alternatives to > > speakup, so at least I can have a taste of a few if I should ever need > > another one. > > Well, there are yaser, and jupiter, neither of which I have tried. There > is also emacspeak, which I did try about 5 years ago, and found that > it has a steep learning curve. You should be able to get the web sites > for all 3 by googling. Good luck. > > Greg > > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFGfDON7s9z/XlyUyARArP2AJ40CoHCvlG4G/Pj/CP3RM17tp4MoACg2xuX > VBaZTQ52zoSS1nUrmgZCgpk= > =cm5d > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: dectalk or double talk advice ` Cody Hurst @ ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes, there is brltty: http://mielke.cc/brltty/ As for what displays it does, or doesn't support, I don't know, you'll need to check the web site for that. Greg On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 05:05:35PM -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > Are there perhaps Braille displays that are supported that I can use > that speech probably won't be able to do? - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGfD4v7s9z/XlyUyARAhnMAKCcVEriR7S7408PV63xHQ9wDSBdjQCgzcj6 PHCy64L7pIW0E9IyYVpFPjw= =WbAk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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