Re: switching from amd to p3

Re: switching from amd to p3

[Gaijin]

Doug Sutherland wrote:
> Tyler said:
 > The cables are ok. do I just move it around on the cable?

     Also be sure you're using the right ribbon cable.  EIDE drives take 
an 80, and not 40-wire ribbon cable.  the red or marked wire is wire #1 
and usually is closest to the power connector on the drive.  Wire #1 
should be clearly marked on the motherboard or HDD controller card.  You 
may be trying to connect an IDE component to an EIDE component or 
vice-versa.  HTH,

         Michael

re: switching from amd to p3

[Jude DaShiell]

Doug,

When you try starting up the p3 do you get a message about a disk seek 
error?  If so, you need to move the connector since the right holes 
haven't yet matched up to the right pins.  I had that happen a few years 
ago doing things with Xt computers.  One set of pins over and the drive 
came up with no problems.

Re: switching from amd to p3

[Doug Sutherland]

It's not me moving from AMD to P3, it's Tyler.

But I suppose a good question would be, what is the error on 
booting the P3? Is it one of those kernel panics or something else?

  -- Doug

Jude said:
Doug, When you try starting up the p3 ... <snip>

Re: switching from amd to p3

[Littlefield, Tyler]

for some reason, my system keeps saying disk boot failure, after I install.
I can boot, but when I try to move it over, or plug in another hd, boom

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3


> It's not me moving from AMD to P3, it's Tyler.
>
> But I suppose a good question would be, what is the error on
> booting the P3? Is it one of those kernel panics or something else?
>
>   -- Doug
>
> Jude said:
> Doug, When you try starting up the p3 ... <snip>
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Re: switching from amd to p3

[Doug Sutherland]

If you're getting disk boot failure then probably something 
is not right with the physical connection, the IDE cable or
possibly the BIOS needs to be tweaked to recognize the
hard drive. If there is more than one drive in the system 
make sure the one you are moving in is on the first IDE 
port so it's drive A, also make sure there are no conflicts
if you have two drives in there ie make sure one is set as
master by jumper and the other is set as slave. 

I think you can get disk boot error even if there is no disk
at all, so start by checking the physical connections and 
jumpering of drives.

The other thing that sometimes happens when moving 
drives around is that what was drive a becomes drive 
c for example, in that case you will get a kernel panic 
with message stating no root file system found. If this 
happens, then the other procedure I mentioned will 
work, booting from cdrom or floppy, loading the 
kernel from removable storage with the boot param
root= pointing to the proper location of root file system
(follow that with noinitrd ro) and then once booted you
can rebuild the kernel and update the bootloader.

What you are doing is definitely possible, I have done
it many times, building an entire system on on PC then
then moving the drive to a mobile system.

  -- Doug

Re: switching from amd to p3

[Littlefield, Tyler]

The cables are ok. do I just move it around on the cable?
Thanks,
Thanks,
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3


> If you're getting disk boot failure then probably something 
> is not right with the physical connection, the IDE cable or
> possibly the BIOS needs to be tweaked to recognize the
> hard drive. If there is more than one drive in the system 
> make sure the one you are moving in is on the first IDE 
> port so it's drive A, also make sure there are no conflicts
> if you have two drives in there ie make sure one is set as
> master by jumper and the other is set as slave. 
> 
> I think you can get disk boot error even if there is no disk
> at all, so start by checking the physical connections and 
> jumpering of drives.
> 
> The other thing that sometimes happens when moving 
> drives around is that what was drive a becomes drive 
> c for example, in that case you will get a kernel panic 
> with message stating no root file system found. If this 
> happens, then the other procedure I mentioned will 
> work, booting from cdrom or floppy, loading the 
> kernel from removable storage with the boot param
> root= pointing to the proper location of root file system
> (follow that with noinitrd ro) and then once booted you
> can rebuild the kernel and update the bootloader.
> 
> What you are doing is definitely possible, I have done
> it many times, building an entire system on on PC then
> then moving the drive to a mobile system.
> 
>   -- Doug
> 
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Re: switching from amd to p3

[Doug Sutherland]

Tyler said:
The cables are ok. do I just move it around on the cable?

The disk boot error is severe, and I would think that needs
to be solved even if you want to do a network boot. It is
hard to say without trying some things, but I would check

Is the IDE cable inserted the right way up in the drive.
Some drives will only let you insert it one way, others
will let you do it upside down.

Is the IDE cable inserted into the first IDE controller
port on motherboard. Best way to check is in BIOS,
you should see the drive as master.

Is the power cable inserted in the drive.

If more than one drive on same cable, one must be
set as master, one as slave, done by jumpers using
the label on drive as guide. As suggested before if
there already is another drive, try removing it and
boot with just the newly setup drive.

If all the physical connections seem okay, the next
thing I would do is boot from a CD or floppy and
do what I said before, at the boot prompt enter

kernel-name root=/dev/hda1 noinitrd ro

where kernel-name is the name of kernel on the
removable media, and the kernel is a "bare" one,
not specific to hardware, ie its 386 and generic
controllers. On slackware its called bare.i but
there should be an equivalent on debian. And
make sure the root= points to the right drive
letter and number of the partition with the root
file system.

You could also try loading a generic kernel on
the AMD, making sure it boots there, then
moving the kernel over. You'll have to check
the debian docs to find out which kernel to use.
I haven't use debian in a while.

> How hard are these floppies to get for deb?

http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en

  -- Doug







> Thanks,
> Thanks,
> ~~TheCreator~~
> [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
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> compgeek13@gmail.com
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3
>
>
> > If you're getting disk boot failure then probably something
> > is not right with the physical connection, the IDE cable or
> > possibly the BIOS needs to be tweaked to recognize the
> > hard drive. If there is more than one drive in the system
> > make sure the one you are moving in is on the first IDE
> > port so it's drive A, also make sure there are no conflicts
> > if you have two drives in there ie make sure one is set as
> > master by jumper and the other is set as slave.
> >
> > I think you can get disk boot error even if there is no disk
> > at all, so start by checking the physical connections and
> > jumpering of drives.
> >
> > The other thing that sometimes happens when moving
> > drives around is that what was drive a becomes drive
> > c for example, in that case you will get a kernel panic
> > with message stating no root file system found. If this
> > happens, then the other procedure I mentioned will
> > work, booting from cdrom or floppy, loading the
> > kernel from removable storage with the boot param
> > root= pointing to the proper location of root file system
> > (follow that with noinitrd ro) and then once booted you
> > can rebuild the kernel and update the bootloader.
> >
> > What you are doing is definitely possible, I have done
> > it many times, building an entire system on on PC then
> > then moving the drive to a mobile system.
> >
> >   -- Doug
> >
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Re: switching from amd to p3

[Littlefield, Tyler]

It's in the right way, and it's master...

Thanks,
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3


> Tyler said:
> The cables are ok. do I just move it around on the cable?
>
> The disk boot error is severe, and I would think that needs
> to be solved even if you want to do a network boot. It is
> hard to say without trying some things, but I would check
>
> Is the IDE cable inserted the right way up in the drive.
> Some drives will only let you insert it one way, others
> will let you do it upside down.
>
> Is the IDE cable inserted into the first IDE controller
> port on motherboard. Best way to check is in BIOS,
> you should see the drive as master.
>
> Is the power cable inserted in the drive.
>
> If more than one drive on same cable, one must be
> set as master, one as slave, done by jumpers using
> the label on drive as guide. As suggested before if
> there already is another drive, try removing it and
> boot with just the newly setup drive.
>
> If all the physical connections seem okay, the next
> thing I would do is boot from a CD or floppy and
> do what I said before, at the boot prompt enter
>
> kernel-name root=/dev/hda1 noinitrd ro
>
> where kernel-name is the name of kernel on the
> removable media, and the kernel is a "bare" one,
> not specific to hardware, ie its 386 and generic
> controllers. On slackware its called bare.i but
> there should be an equivalent on debian. And
> make sure the root= points to the right drive
> letter and number of the partition with the root
> file system.
>
> You could also try loading a generic kernel on
> the AMD, making sure it boots there, then
> moving the kernel over. You'll have to check
> the debian docs to find out which kernel to use.
> I haven't use debian in a while.
>
> > How hard are these floppies to get for deb?
>
>
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/
> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
>
>   -- Doug
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Thanks,
> > Thanks,
> > ~~TheCreator~~
> > [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features]
> > msn:
> > compgeek13@gmail.com
> > aim: st8amnd2005
> > skype: st8amnd127
> > vertigo head coder
> > web: tysdomain.com
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3
> >
> >
> > > If you're getting disk boot failure then probably something
> > > is not right with the physical connection, the IDE cable or
> > > possibly the BIOS needs to be tweaked to recognize the
> > > hard drive. If there is more than one drive in the system
> > > make sure the one you are moving in is on the first IDE
> > > port so it's drive A, also make sure there are no conflicts
> > > if you have two drives in there ie make sure one is set as
> > > master by jumper and the other is set as slave.
> > >
> > > I think you can get disk boot error even if there is no disk
> > > at all, so start by checking the physical connections and
> > > jumpering of drives.
> > >
> > > The other thing that sometimes happens when moving
> > > drives around is that what was drive a becomes drive
> > > c for example, in that case you will get a kernel panic
> > > with message stating no root file system found. If this
> > > happens, then the other procedure I mentioned will
> > > work, booting from cdrom or floppy, loading the
> > > kernel from removable storage with the boot param
> > > root= pointing to the proper location of root file system
> > > (follow that with noinitrd ro) and then once booted you
> > > can rebuild the kernel and update the bootloader.
> > >
> > > What you are doing is definitely possible, I have done
> > > it many times, building an entire system on on PC then
> > > then moving the drive to a mobile system.
> > >
> > >   -- Doug
> > >
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Re: switching from amd to p3

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 10:03:51PM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
> http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/
> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en

Be aware that if you use the above disks, you won't have access to speakup.

Greg


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Re: switching from amd to p3

[Gregory Nowak]

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There is Shane's netinst cd for debian with speakup, which I believe
could be used as a rescue cd as well.

Greg


On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:37:47AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
> Yet another reason to love slackware :)
> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-11.0/bootdisks/
> 
> Speakup kernel in above link. I looked all over the deb site and don't find
> it.
> The install directions for sarge mentioned speakup and had a link to where
> the floppy images were, but it's a dead link and no such files I could find.
> 
> It would be worthwhile to make a floppy or cdrom or both with the
> speakup enabled kernel for situations like this. Even to find out what
> is wrong with the debian install, the speakup.s kernel in above link
> would be useful, you could use it to boot into console with speakup
> and at least check the partitions on the drive and such.
> 

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Re: switching from amd to p3

[Doug Sutherland]

Tyler, I believe disk boot failure is a BIOS error, not a linux error.
It can happen if there is no drive, or the drive is not bootable, it
could also happen if the BIOS boot options are not set properly,
usually listed as boot priority, you usually want something like 
floppy, cdrom, ide0, ide1 boot priority. If the cables all seem 
okay I the next thing to check would be if the BIOS is seeing 
the drive. On modern BIOS the drives will usually be set to 
auto but if you press F8 it will detect the drives and show you 
them in BIOS (may be a different function key for a different
BIOS). Confirm that BIOS is seeing the drive, and showing it
as master, then check the boot priority settings in BIOS to 
make sure IDE0 is in the boot priority list. There are also 
settings in BIOS for the hard drive DMA mode, the lowest 
mode being PIO0, which is original IDE. If still not booting
try setting that the lowest possible mode. The highest mode
is probably PIO5 or Ultra DMA, or UDMA 133.

At this point, after checking BIOS, if it sees the drive as 
master, IDE0 is in the boot list, the DMA mode is lowest
PIO0, and it still won't boot, I would suggest putting it 
back in the original machine and making sure it boots.

If it doesn't boot there I would check the partition table 
using fdisk or cfdisk or similar, check the bootable flag and 
make sure a partition is marked as bootable, and it's the 
correct partition, the one with grub installed. You can do
this by booting from a linux CD and running fdisk -l or
cfdisk.

If BIOS on target system is seeing the drive as master and
the drive will boot in original machine, then I'd say its time
to try a different drive in target motherboard to make sure
the IDE controller is working okay.

  -- Doug

Re: switching from amd to p3

[Doug Sutherland]

Yet another reason to love slackware :)
http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-11.0/bootdisks/

Speakup kernel in above link. I looked all over the deb site and don't find
it.
The install directions for sarge mentioned speakup and had a link to where
the floppy images were, but it's a dead link and no such files I could find.

It would be worthwhile to make a floppy or cdrom or both with the
speakup enabled kernel for situations like this. Even to find out what
is wrong with the debian install, the speakup.s kernel in above link
would be useful, you could use it to boot into console with speakup
and at least check the partitions on the drive and such.

Gregory Nowak said:
Be aware that if you use the above disks, you won't have access to speakup.

Re: switching from amd to p3

[Doug Sutherland]

Gregory Nowak said
There is Shane's netinst cd for debian with speakup, which I believe
could be used as a rescue cd as well.

I think I found those here
http://people.debian.org/~shane/speakup/kernel/

I'm working with an ARM based development board which uses
debian as the core of its specialized distro, and I keep intending
to switch to debian on pc, but I can't tear myself away from 
slackware it seems. 
 
  -- Doug

Re: switching from amd to p3

[jaffar]

Hi.  Where can shane's netinst cd be downloaded from?  Cheers!
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3


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> There is Shane's netinst cd for debian with speakup, which I believe
> could be used as a rescue cd as well.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:37:47AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
>> Yet another reason to love slackware :)
>> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-11.0/bootdisks/
>>
>> Speakup kernel in above link. I looked all over the deb site and don't 
>> find
>> it.
>> The install directions for sarge mentioned speakup and had a link to 
>> where
>> the floppy images were, but it's a dead link and no such files I could 
>> find.
>>
>> It would be worthwhile to make a floppy or cdrom or both with the
>> speakup enabled kernel for situations like this. Even to find out what
>> is wrong with the debian install, the speakup.s kernel in above link
>> would be useful, you could use it to boot into console with speakup
>> and at least check the partitions on the drive and such.
>>
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RE: switching from amd to p3

[Scott Berry]

Just one more thing to add Tyler.  Some of the more modern Bios also can use
f2 to enter the bios setup.

Scott


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On Behalf Of Doug Sutherland
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:07 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3

Tyler, I believe disk boot failure is a BIOS error, not a linux error.
It can happen if there is no drive, or the drive is not bootable, it
could also happen if the BIOS boot options are not set properly,
usually listed as boot priority, you usually want something like 
floppy, cdrom, ide0, ide1 boot priority. If the cables all seem 
okay I the next thing to check would be if the BIOS is seeing 
the drive. On modern BIOS the drives will usually be set to 
auto but if you press F8 it will detect the drives and show you 
them in BIOS (may be a different function key for a different
BIOS). Confirm that BIOS is seeing the drive, and showing it
as master, then check the boot priority settings in BIOS to 
make sure IDE0 is in the boot priority list. There are also 
settings in BIOS for the hard drive DMA mode, the lowest 
mode being PIO0, which is original IDE. If still not booting
try setting that the lowest possible mode. The highest mode
is probably PIO5 or Ultra DMA, or UDMA 133.

At this point, after checking BIOS, if it sees the drive as 
master, IDE0 is in the boot list, the DMA mode is lowest
PIO0, and it still won't boot, I would suggest putting it 
back in the original machine and making sure it boots.

If it doesn't boot there I would check the partition table 
using fdisk or cfdisk or similar, check the bootable flag and 
make sure a partition is marked as bootable, and it's the 
correct partition, the one with grub installed. You can do
this by booting from a linux CD and running fdisk -l or
cfdisk.

If BIOS on target system is seeing the drive as master and
the drive will boot in original machine, then I'd say its time
to try a different drive in target motherboard to make sure
the IDE controller is working okay.

  -- Doug

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Re: switching from amd to p3

[Gregory Nowak]

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Not only was this indirectly mentioned in a message Doug posted to the list
yesterday, but it has also been pointed out many times in the past,
and is therefore scattered rather abundantly throughout the list
archives.

http://people.debian.org/~shane/

Also, if you googled for

speakup+netinst

, you could have found this out for yourself by following the first
result google returned (for me at least), for that search.

Greg


On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 02:55:20PM +0800, jaffar@ecstatico.net wrote:
> Hi.  Where can shane's netinst cd be downloaded from?  Cheers!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:47 PM
> Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3
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> > There is Shane's netinst cd for debian with speakup, which I believe
> > could be used as a rescue cd as well.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:37:47AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
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> >> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-11.0/bootdisks/
> >>
> >> Speakup kernel in above link. I looked all over the deb site and don't 
> >> find
> >> it.
> >> The install directions for sarge mentioned speakup and had a link to 
> >> where
> >> the floppy images were, but it's a dead link and no such files I could 
> >> find.
> >>
> >> It would be worthwhile to make a floppy or cdrom or both with the
> >> speakup enabled kernel for situations like this. Even to find out what
> >> is wrong with the debian install, the speakup.s kernel in above link
> >> would be useful, you could use it to boot into console with speakup
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Re: switching from amd to p3

[Michael Whapples]

Further to this, there is a link to it on the speakup website (at least
that is how I found the speakup enabled debian etch CD, I beleive is
Shane's).
On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 15:40 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> Not only was this indirectly mentioned in a message Doug posted to the list
> yesterday, but it has also been pointed out many times in the past,
> and is therefore scattered rather abundantly throughout the list
> archives.
> 
> http://people.debian.org/~shane/
> 
> Also, if you googled for
> 
> speakup+netinst
> 
> , you could have found this out for yourself by following the first
> result google returned (for me at least), for that search.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 02:55:20PM +0800, jaffar@ecstatico.net wrote:
> > Hi.  Where can shane's netinst cd be downloaded from?  Cheers!
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3
> > 
> > 
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> > > There is Shane's netinst cd for debian with speakup, which I believe
> > > could be used as a rescue cd as well.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:37:47AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
> > >> Yet another reason to love slackware :)
> > >> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-11.0/bootdisks/
> > >>
> > >> Speakup kernel in above link. I looked all over the deb site and don't 
> > >> find
> > >> it.
> > >> The install directions for sarge mentioned speakup and had a link to 
> > >> where
> > >> the floppy images were, but it's a dead link and no such files I could 
> > >> find.
> > >>
> > >> It would be worthwhile to make a floppy or cdrom or both with the
> > >> speakup enabled kernel for situations like this. Even to find out what
> > >> is wrong with the debian install, the speakup.s kernel in above link
> > >> would be useful, you could use it to boot into console with speakup
> > >> and at least check the partitions on the drive and such.
> > >>
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Re: switching from amd to p3

[Littlefield, Tyler]

jesus, give the guy a break!

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3


> Further to this, there is a link to it on the speakup website (at least
> that is how I found the speakup enabled debian etch CD, I beleive is
> Shane's).
> On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 15:40 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>> Not only was this indirectly mentioned in a message Doug posted to the 
>> list
>> yesterday, but it has also been pointed out many times in the past,
>> and is therefore scattered rather abundantly throughout the list
>> archives.
>>
>> http://people.debian.org/~shane/
>>
>> Also, if you googled for
>>
>> speakup+netinst
>>
>> , you could have found this out for yourself by following the first
>> result google returned (for me at least), for that search.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 02:55:20PM +0800, jaffar@ecstatico.net wrote:
>> > Hi.  Where can shane's netinst cd be downloaded from?  Cheers!
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
>> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:47 PM
>> > Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3
>> >
>> >
>> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>> > >
>> > > There is Shane's netinst cd for debian with speakup, which I believe
>> > > could be used as a rescue cd as well.
>> > >
>> > > Greg
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:37:47AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote:
>> > >> Yet another reason to love slackware :)
>> > >> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-11.0/bootdisks/
>> > >>
>> > >> Speakup kernel in above link. I looked all over the deb site and 
>> > >> don't
>> > >> find
>> > >> it.
>> > >> The install directions for sarge mentioned speakup and had a link to
>> > >> where
>> > >> the floppy images were, but it's a dead link and no such files I 
>> > >> could
>> > >> find.
>> > >>
>> > >> It would be worthwhile to make a floppy or cdrom or both with the
>> > >> speakup enabled kernel for situations like this. Even to find out 
>> > >> what
>> > >> is wrong with the debian install, the speakup.s kernel in above link
>> > >> would be useful, you could use it to boot into console with speakup
>> > >> and at least check the partitions on the drive and such.
>> > >>
>> > >
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Re: switching from amd to p3

[Littlefield, Tyler]

got it. thanks for the help. :)
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Berry" <sberry@northlc.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: switching from amd to p3


> Just one more thing to add Tyler.  Some of the more modern Bios also can 
> use
> f2 to enter the bios setup.
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Doug Sutherland
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:07 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3
>
> Tyler, I believe disk boot failure is a BIOS error, not a linux error.
> It can happen if there is no drive, or the drive is not bootable, it
> could also happen if the BIOS boot options are not set properly,
> usually listed as boot priority, you usually want something like
> floppy, cdrom, ide0, ide1 boot priority. If the cables all seem
> okay I the next thing to check would be if the BIOS is seeing
> the drive. On modern BIOS the drives will usually be set to
> auto but if you press F8 it will detect the drives and show you
> them in BIOS (may be a different function key for a different
> BIOS). Confirm that BIOS is seeing the drive, and showing it
> as master, then check the boot priority settings in BIOS to
> make sure IDE0 is in the boot priority list. There are also
> settings in BIOS for the hard drive DMA mode, the lowest
> mode being PIO0, which is original IDE. If still not booting
> try setting that the lowest possible mode. The highest mode
> is probably PIO5 or Ultra DMA, or UDMA 133.
>
> At this point, after checking BIOS, if it sees the drive as
> master, IDE0 is in the boot list, the DMA mode is lowest
> PIO0, and it still won't boot, I would suggest putting it
> back in the original machine and making sure it boots.
>
> If it doesn't boot there I would check the partition table
> using fdisk or cfdisk or similar, check the bootable flag and
> make sure a partition is marked as bootable, and it's the
> correct partition, the one with grub installed. You can do
> this by booting from a linux CD and running fdisk -l or
> cfdisk.
>
> If BIOS on target system is seeing the drive as master and
> the drive will boot in original machine, then I'd say its time
> to try a different drive in target motherboard to make sure
> the IDE controller is working okay.
>
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