* re: switching from amd to p3 @ Jude DaShiell ` Doug Sutherland 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Jude DaShiell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Doug, When you try starting up the p3 do you get a message about a disk seek error? If so, you need to move the connector since the right holes haven't yet matched up to the right pins. I had that happen a few years ago doing things with Xt computers. One set of pins over and the drive came up with no problems. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 switching from amd to p3 Jude DaShiell @ ` Doug Sutherland ` Littlefield, Tyler 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. It's not me moving from AMD to P3, it's Tyler. But I suppose a good question would be, what is the error on booting the P3? Is it one of those kernel panics or something else? -- Doug Jude said: Doug, When you try starting up the p3 ... <snip> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Doug Sutherland @ ` Littlefield, Tyler ` Doug Sutherland ` Doug Sutherland 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Littlefield, Tyler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. for some reason, my system keeps saying disk boot failure, after I install. I can boot, but when I try to move it over, or plug in another hd, boom Thanks, ~~TheCreator~~ [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features] msn: compgeek13@gmail.com aim: st8amnd2005 skype: st8amnd127 vertigo head coder web: tysdomain.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3 > It's not me moving from AMD to P3, it's Tyler. > > But I suppose a good question would be, what is the error on > booting the P3? Is it one of those kernel panics or something else? > > -- Doug > > Jude said: > Doug, When you try starting up the p3 ... <snip> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Littlefield, Tyler @ ` Doug Sutherland ` Littlefield, Tyler ` Doug Sutherland 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. If you're getting disk boot failure then probably something is not right with the physical connection, the IDE cable or possibly the BIOS needs to be tweaked to recognize the hard drive. If there is more than one drive in the system make sure the one you are moving in is on the first IDE port so it's drive A, also make sure there are no conflicts if you have two drives in there ie make sure one is set as master by jumper and the other is set as slave. I think you can get disk boot error even if there is no disk at all, so start by checking the physical connections and jumpering of drives. The other thing that sometimes happens when moving drives around is that what was drive a becomes drive c for example, in that case you will get a kernel panic with message stating no root file system found. If this happens, then the other procedure I mentioned will work, booting from cdrom or floppy, loading the kernel from removable storage with the boot param root= pointing to the proper location of root file system (follow that with noinitrd ro) and then once booted you can rebuild the kernel and update the bootloader. What you are doing is definitely possible, I have done it many times, building an entire system on on PC then then moving the drive to a mobile system. -- Doug ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Doug Sutherland @ ` Littlefield, Tyler ` Doug Sutherland 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Littlefield, Tyler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. The cables are ok. do I just move it around on the cable? Thanks, Thanks, ~~TheCreator~~ [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features] msn: compgeek13@gmail.com aim: st8amnd2005 skype: st8amnd127 vertigo head coder web: tysdomain.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3 > If you're getting disk boot failure then probably something > is not right with the physical connection, the IDE cable or > possibly the BIOS needs to be tweaked to recognize the > hard drive. If there is more than one drive in the system > make sure the one you are moving in is on the first IDE > port so it's drive A, also make sure there are no conflicts > if you have two drives in there ie make sure one is set as > master by jumper and the other is set as slave. > > I think you can get disk boot error even if there is no disk > at all, so start by checking the physical connections and > jumpering of drives. > > The other thing that sometimes happens when moving > drives around is that what was drive a becomes drive > c for example, in that case you will get a kernel panic > with message stating no root file system found. If this > happens, then the other procedure I mentioned will > work, booting from cdrom or floppy, loading the > kernel from removable storage with the boot param > root= pointing to the proper location of root file system > (follow that with noinitrd ro) and then once booted you > can rebuild the kernel and update the bootloader. > > What you are doing is definitely possible, I have done > it many times, building an entire system on on PC then > then moving the drive to a mobile system. > > -- Doug > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Littlefield, Tyler @ ` Doug Sutherland ` Gaijin ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Tyler said: The cables are ok. do I just move it around on the cable? The disk boot error is severe, and I would think that needs to be solved even if you want to do a network boot. It is hard to say without trying some things, but I would check Is the IDE cable inserted the right way up in the drive. Some drives will only let you insert it one way, others will let you do it upside down. Is the IDE cable inserted into the first IDE controller port on motherboard. Best way to check is in BIOS, you should see the drive as master. Is the power cable inserted in the drive. If more than one drive on same cable, one must be set as master, one as slave, done by jumpers using the label on drive as guide. As suggested before if there already is another drive, try removing it and boot with just the newly setup drive. If all the physical connections seem okay, the next thing I would do is boot from a CD or floppy and do what I said before, at the boot prompt enter kernel-name root=/dev/hda1 noinitrd ro where kernel-name is the name of kernel on the removable media, and the kernel is a "bare" one, not specific to hardware, ie its 386 and generic controllers. On slackware its called bare.i but there should be an equivalent on debian. And make sure the root= points to the right drive letter and number of the partition with the root file system. You could also try loading a generic kernel on the AMD, making sure it boots there, then moving the kernel over. You'll have to check the debian docs to find out which kernel to use. I haven't use debian in a while. > How hard are these floppies to get for deb? http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en -- Doug > Thanks, > Thanks, > ~~TheCreator~~ > [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features] > msn: > compgeek13@gmail.com > aim: st8amnd2005 > skype: st8amnd127 > vertigo head coder > web: tysdomain.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3 > > > > If you're getting disk boot failure then probably something > > is not right with the physical connection, the IDE cable or > > possibly the BIOS needs to be tweaked to recognize the > > hard drive. If there is more than one drive in the system > > make sure the one you are moving in is on the first IDE > > port so it's drive A, also make sure there are no conflicts > > if you have two drives in there ie make sure one is set as > > master by jumper and the other is set as slave. > > > > I think you can get disk boot error even if there is no disk > > at all, so start by checking the physical connections and > > jumpering of drives. > > > > The other thing that sometimes happens when moving > > drives around is that what was drive a becomes drive > > c for example, in that case you will get a kernel panic > > with message stating no root file system found. If this > > happens, then the other procedure I mentioned will > > work, booting from cdrom or floppy, loading the > > kernel from removable storage with the boot param > > root= pointing to the proper location of root file system > > (follow that with noinitrd ro) and then once booted you > > can rebuild the kernel and update the bootloader. > > > > What you are doing is definitely possible, I have done > > it many times, building an entire system on on PC then > > then moving the drive to a mobile system. > > > > -- Doug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Doug Sutherland @ ` Gaijin ` Littlefield, Tyler ` Gregory Nowak 2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Gaijin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Doug Sutherland wrote: > Tyler said: > The cables are ok. do I just move it around on the cable? Also be sure you're using the right ribbon cable. EIDE drives take an 80, and not 40-wire ribbon cable. the red or marked wire is wire #1 and usually is closest to the power connector on the drive. Wire #1 should be clearly marked on the motherboard or HDD controller card. You may be trying to connect an IDE component to an EIDE component or vice-versa. HTH, Michael ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Doug Sutherland ` Gaijin @ ` Littlefield, Tyler ` Gregory Nowak 2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Littlefield, Tyler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. It's in the right way, and it's master... Thanks, ~~TheCreator~~ [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features] msn: compgeek13@gmail.com aim: st8amnd2005 skype: st8amnd127 vertigo head coder web: tysdomain.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3 > Tyler said: > The cables are ok. do I just move it around on the cable? > > The disk boot error is severe, and I would think that needs > to be solved even if you want to do a network boot. It is > hard to say without trying some things, but I would check > > Is the IDE cable inserted the right way up in the drive. > Some drives will only let you insert it one way, others > will let you do it upside down. > > Is the IDE cable inserted into the first IDE controller > port on motherboard. Best way to check is in BIOS, > you should see the drive as master. > > Is the power cable inserted in the drive. > > If more than one drive on same cable, one must be > set as master, one as slave, done by jumpers using > the label on drive as guide. As suggested before if > there already is another drive, try removing it and > boot with just the newly setup drive. > > If all the physical connections seem okay, the next > thing I would do is boot from a CD or floppy and > do what I said before, at the boot prompt enter > > kernel-name root=/dev/hda1 noinitrd ro > > where kernel-name is the name of kernel on the > removable media, and the kernel is a "bare" one, > not specific to hardware, ie its 386 and generic > controllers. On slackware its called bare.i but > there should be an equivalent on debian. And > make sure the root= points to the right drive > letter and number of the partition with the root > file system. > > You could also try loading a generic kernel on > the AMD, making sure it boots there, then > moving the kernel over. You'll have to check > the debian docs to find out which kernel to use. > I haven't use debian in a while. > > > How hard are these floppies to get for deb? > > http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en > > -- Doug > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Thanks, > > ~~TheCreator~~ > > [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features] > > msn: > > compgeek13@gmail.com > > aim: st8amnd2005 > > skype: st8amnd127 > > vertigo head coder > > web: tysdomain.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doug Sutherland" <doug@proficio.ca> > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:03 PM > > Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3 > > > > > > > If you're getting disk boot failure then probably something > > > is not right with the physical connection, the IDE cable or > > > possibly the BIOS needs to be tweaked to recognize the > > > hard drive. If there is more than one drive in the system > > > make sure the one you are moving in is on the first IDE > > > port so it's drive A, also make sure there are no conflicts > > > if you have two drives in there ie make sure one is set as > > > master by jumper and the other is set as slave. > > > > > > I think you can get disk boot error even if there is no disk > > > at all, so start by checking the physical connections and > > > jumpering of drives. > > > > > > The other thing that sometimes happens when moving > > > drives around is that what was drive a becomes drive > > > c for example, in that case you will get a kernel panic > > > with message stating no root file system found. If this > > > happens, then the other procedure I mentioned will > > > work, booting from cdrom or floppy, loading the > > > kernel from removable storage with the boot param > > > root= pointing to the proper location of root file system > > > (follow that with noinitrd ro) and then once booted you > > > can rebuild the kernel and update the bootloader. > > > > > > What you are doing is definitely possible, I have done > > > it many times, building an entire system on on PC then > > > then moving the drive to a mobile system. > > > > > > -- Doug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Doug Sutherland ` Gaijin ` Littlefield, Tyler @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Doug Sutherland 2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 10:03:51PM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote: > http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en Be aware that if you use the above disks, you won't have access to speakup. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGdK/T7s9z/XlyUyARAqelAJ4/rhgoLlviMCiGgWgHvwumeYPeEwCfWXNA x/CmU4d+8O2bvysA2LEXO2E= =He1u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Doug Sutherland ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Yet another reason to love slackware :) http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-11.0/bootdisks/ Speakup kernel in above link. I looked all over the deb site and don't find it. The install directions for sarge mentioned speakup and had a link to where the floppy images were, but it's a dead link and no such files I could find. It would be worthwhile to make a floppy or cdrom or both with the speakup enabled kernel for situations like this. Even to find out what is wrong with the debian install, the speakup.s kernel in above link would be useful, you could use it to boot into console with speakup and at least check the partitions on the drive and such. Gregory Nowak said: Be aware that if you use the above disks, you won't have access to speakup. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Doug Sutherland @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Doug Sutherland ` jaffar 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 There is Shane's netinst cd for debian with speakup, which I believe could be used as a rescue cd as well. Greg On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:37:47AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote: > Yet another reason to love slackware :) > http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-11.0/bootdisks/ > > Speakup kernel in above link. I looked all over the deb site and don't find > it. > The install directions for sarge mentioned speakup and had a link to where > the floppy images were, but it's a dead link and no such files I could find. > > It would be worthwhile to make a floppy or cdrom or both with the > speakup enabled kernel for situations like this. Even to find out what > is wrong with the debian install, the speakup.s kernel in above link > would be useful, you could use it to boot into console with speakup > and at least check the partitions on the drive and such. > - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGdLz97s9z/XlyUyARAsMLAKCqqtfrU490HYREq//oG2re6JJMOwCgjEUY Ap8anIgKFxzoD6F7Wp6hieQ= =mFBb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Doug Sutherland ` jaffar 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Gregory Nowak said There is Shane's netinst cd for debian with speakup, which I believe could be used as a rescue cd as well. I think I found those here http://people.debian.org/~shane/speakup/kernel/ I'm working with an ARM based development board which uses debian as the core of its specialized distro, and I keep intending to switch to debian on pc, but I can't tear myself away from slackware it seems. -- Doug ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Gregory Nowak ` Doug Sutherland @ ` jaffar ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: jaffar @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi. Where can shane's netinst cd be downloaded from? Cheers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > There is Shane's netinst cd for debian with speakup, which I believe > could be used as a rescue cd as well. > > Greg > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:37:47AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote: >> Yet another reason to love slackware :) >> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-11.0/bootdisks/ >> >> Speakup kernel in above link. I looked all over the deb site and don't >> find >> it. >> The install directions for sarge mentioned speakup and had a link to >> where >> the floppy images were, but it's a dead link and no such files I could >> find. >> >> It would be worthwhile to make a floppy or cdrom or both with the >> speakup enabled kernel for situations like this. Even to find out what >> is wrong with the debian install, the speakup.s kernel in above link >> would be useful, you could use it to boot into console with speakup >> and at least check the partitions on the drive and such. >> > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFGdLz97s9z/XlyUyARAsMLAKCqqtfrU490HYREq//oG2re6JJMOwCgjEUY > Ap8anIgKFxzoD6F7Wp6hieQ= > =mFBb > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > __________ NOD32 2335 (20070616) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` jaffar @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Michael Whapples 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Not only was this indirectly mentioned in a message Doug posted to the list yesterday, but it has also been pointed out many times in the past, and is therefore scattered rather abundantly throughout the list archives. http://people.debian.org/~shane/ Also, if you googled for speakup+netinst , you could have found this out for yourself by following the first result google returned (for me at least), for that search. Greg On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 02:55:20PM +0800, jaffar@ecstatico.net wrote: > Hi. Where can shane's netinst cd be downloaded from? Cheers! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:47 PM > Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3 > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > There is Shane's netinst cd for debian with speakup, which I believe > > could be used as a rescue cd as well. > > > > Greg > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:37:47AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote: > >> Yet another reason to love slackware :) > >> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-11.0/bootdisks/ > >> > >> Speakup kernel in above link. I looked all over the deb site and don't > >> find > >> it. > >> The install directions for sarge mentioned speakup and had a link to > >> where > >> the floppy images were, but it's a dead link and no such files I could > >> find. > >> > >> It would be worthwhile to make a floppy or cdrom or both with the > >> speakup enabled kernel for situations like this. Even to find out what > >> is wrong with the debian install, the speakup.s kernel in above link > >> would be useful, you could use it to boot into console with speakup > >> and at least check the partitions on the drive and such. > >> > > > > - -- > > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > > skype: gregn1 > > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > > > - -- > > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFGdLz97s9z/XlyUyARAsMLAKCqqtfrU490HYREq//oG2re6JJMOwCgjEUY > > Ap8anIgKFxzoD6F7Wp6hieQ= > > =mFBb > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > __________ NOD32 2335 (20070616) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGdbhD7s9z/XlyUyARAlCRAJ4v8qxBBGoQ0VfBvs2AXNHICxSiugCfaSNp U5FU/rYCMzfNDgLWBT0aTSs= =a2wg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Michael Whapples ` Littlefield, Tyler 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Further to this, there is a link to it on the speakup website (at least that is how I found the speakup enabled debian etch CD, I beleive is Shane's). On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 15:40 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Not only was this indirectly mentioned in a message Doug posted to the list > yesterday, but it has also been pointed out many times in the past, > and is therefore scattered rather abundantly throughout the list > archives. > > http://people.debian.org/~shane/ > > Also, if you googled for > > speakup+netinst > > , you could have found this out for yourself by following the first > result google returned (for me at least), for that search. > > Greg > > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 02:55:20PM +0800, jaffar@ecstatico.net wrote: > > Hi. Where can shane's netinst cd be downloaded from? Cheers! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:47 PM > > Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3 > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > There is Shane's netinst cd for debian with speakup, which I believe > > > could be used as a rescue cd as well. > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:37:47AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote: > > >> Yet another reason to love slackware :) > > >> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-11.0/bootdisks/ > > >> > > >> Speakup kernel in above link. I looked all over the deb site and don't > > >> find > > >> it. > > >> The install directions for sarge mentioned speakup and had a link to > > >> where > > >> the floppy images were, but it's a dead link and no such files I could > > >> find. > > >> > > >> It would be worthwhile to make a floppy or cdrom or both with the > > >> speakup enabled kernel for situations like this. Even to find out what > > >> is wrong with the debian install, the speakup.s kernel in above link > > >> would be useful, you could use it to boot into console with speakup > > >> and at least check the partitions on the drive and such. > > >> > > > > > > - -- > > > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > > > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > > > skype: gregn1 > > > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > > > > > - -- > > > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > > iD8DBQFGdLz97s9z/XlyUyARAsMLAKCqqtfrU490HYREq//oG2re6JJMOwCgjEUY > > > Ap8anIgKFxzoD6F7Wp6hieQ= > > > =mFBb > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2335 (20070616) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > - -- > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFGdbhD7s9z/XlyUyARAlCRAJ4v8qxBBGoQ0VfBvs2AXNHICxSiugCfaSNp > U5FU/rYCMzfNDgLWBT0aTSs= > =a2wg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Michael Whapples @ ` Littlefield, Tyler 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Littlefield, Tyler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. jesus, give the guy a break! Thanks, ~~TheCreator~~ [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features] msn: compgeek13@gmail.com aim: st8amnd2005 skype: st8amnd127 vertigo head coder web: tysdomain.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples@aim.com> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:08 PM Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3 > Further to this, there is a link to it on the speakup website (at least > that is how I found the speakup enabled debian etch CD, I beleive is > Shane's). > On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 15:40 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Not only was this indirectly mentioned in a message Doug posted to the >> list >> yesterday, but it has also been pointed out many times in the past, >> and is therefore scattered rather abundantly throughout the list >> archives. >> >> http://people.debian.org/~shane/ >> >> Also, if you googled for >> >> speakup+netinst >> >> , you could have found this out for yourself by following the first >> result google returned (for me at least), for that search. >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 02:55:20PM +0800, jaffar@ecstatico.net wrote: >> > Hi. Where can shane's netinst cd be downloaded from? Cheers! >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> >> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:47 PM >> > Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3 >> > >> > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > > Hash: SHA1 >> > > >> > > There is Shane's netinst cd for debian with speakup, which I believe >> > > could be used as a rescue cd as well. >> > > >> > > Greg >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 12:37:47AM -0500, Doug Sutherland wrote: >> > >> Yet another reason to love slackware :) >> > >> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/slackware/slackware-11.0/bootdisks/ >> > >> >> > >> Speakup kernel in above link. I looked all over the deb site and >> > >> don't >> > >> find >> > >> it. >> > >> The install directions for sarge mentioned speakup and had a link to >> > >> where >> > >> the floppy images were, but it's a dead link and no such files I >> > >> could >> > >> find. >> > >> >> > >> It would be worthwhile to make a floppy or cdrom or both with the >> > >> speakup enabled kernel for situations like this. Even to find out >> > >> what >> > >> is wrong with the debian install, the speakup.s kernel in above link >> > >> would be useful, you could use it to boot into console with speakup >> > >> and at least check the partitions on the drive and such. >> > >> >> > > >> > > - -- >> > > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >> > > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >> > > skype: gregn1 >> > > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >> > > >> > > - -- >> > > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) >> > > >> > > iD8DBQFGdLz97s9z/XlyUyARAsMLAKCqqtfrU490HYREq//oG2re6JJMOwCgjEUY >> > > Ap8anIgKFxzoD6F7Wp6hieQ= >> > > =mFBb >> > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Speakup mailing list >> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > >> > > __________ NOD32 2335 (20070616) Information __________ >> > > >> > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> > > http://www.eset.com >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> - -- >> web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org >> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc >> skype: gregn1 >> (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >> >> - -- >> Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iD8DBQFGdbhD7s9z/XlyUyARAlCRAJ4v8qxBBGoQ0VfBvs2AXNHICxSiugCfaSNp >> U5FU/rYCMzfNDgLWBT0aTSs= >> =a2wg >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Littlefield, Tyler ` Doug Sutherland @ ` Doug Sutherland ` Scott Berry 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Tyler, I believe disk boot failure is a BIOS error, not a linux error. It can happen if there is no drive, or the drive is not bootable, it could also happen if the BIOS boot options are not set properly, usually listed as boot priority, you usually want something like floppy, cdrom, ide0, ide1 boot priority. If the cables all seem okay I the next thing to check would be if the BIOS is seeing the drive. On modern BIOS the drives will usually be set to auto but if you press F8 it will detect the drives and show you them in BIOS (may be a different function key for a different BIOS). Confirm that BIOS is seeing the drive, and showing it as master, then check the boot priority settings in BIOS to make sure IDE0 is in the boot priority list. There are also settings in BIOS for the hard drive DMA mode, the lowest mode being PIO0, which is original IDE. If still not booting try setting that the lowest possible mode. The highest mode is probably PIO5 or Ultra DMA, or UDMA 133. At this point, after checking BIOS, if it sees the drive as master, IDE0 is in the boot list, the DMA mode is lowest PIO0, and it still won't boot, I would suggest putting it back in the original machine and making sure it boots. If it doesn't boot there I would check the partition table using fdisk or cfdisk or similar, check the bootable flag and make sure a partition is marked as bootable, and it's the correct partition, the one with grub installed. You can do this by booting from a linux CD and running fdisk -l or cfdisk. If BIOS on target system is seeing the drive as master and the drive will boot in original machine, then I'd say its time to try a different drive in target motherboard to make sure the IDE controller is working okay. -- Doug ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* RE: switching from amd to p3 ` Doug Sutherland @ ` Scott Berry ` Littlefield, Tyler 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Scott Berry @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Just one more thing to add Tyler. Some of the more modern Bios also can use f2 to enter the bios setup. Scott -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Doug Sutherland Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:07 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3 Tyler, I believe disk boot failure is a BIOS error, not a linux error. It can happen if there is no drive, or the drive is not bootable, it could also happen if the BIOS boot options are not set properly, usually listed as boot priority, you usually want something like floppy, cdrom, ide0, ide1 boot priority. If the cables all seem okay I the next thing to check would be if the BIOS is seeing the drive. On modern BIOS the drives will usually be set to auto but if you press F8 it will detect the drives and show you them in BIOS (may be a different function key for a different BIOS). Confirm that BIOS is seeing the drive, and showing it as master, then check the boot priority settings in BIOS to make sure IDE0 is in the boot priority list. There are also settings in BIOS for the hard drive DMA mode, the lowest mode being PIO0, which is original IDE. If still not booting try setting that the lowest possible mode. The highest mode is probably PIO5 or Ultra DMA, or UDMA 133. At this point, after checking BIOS, if it sees the drive as master, IDE0 is in the boot list, the DMA mode is lowest PIO0, and it still won't boot, I would suggest putting it back in the original machine and making sure it boots. If it doesn't boot there I would check the partition table using fdisk or cfdisk or similar, check the bootable flag and make sure a partition is marked as bootable, and it's the correct partition, the one with grub installed. You can do this by booting from a linux CD and running fdisk -l or cfdisk. If BIOS on target system is seeing the drive as master and the drive will boot in original machine, then I'd say its time to try a different drive in target motherboard to make sure the IDE controller is working okay. -- Doug _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 6/17/2007 8:23 AM ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: switching from amd to p3 ` Scott Berry @ ` Littlefield, Tyler 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Littlefield, Tyler @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. got it. thanks for the help. :) Thanks, ~~TheCreator~~ [My programs don't have bugs; just randomly added features] msn: compgeek13@gmail.com aim: st8amnd2005 skype: st8amnd127 vertigo head coder web: tysdomain.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Berry" <sberry@northlc.com> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: RE: switching from amd to p3 > Just one more thing to add Tyler. Some of the more modern Bios also can > use > f2 to enter the bios setup. > > Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of Doug Sutherland > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:07 AM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: switching from amd to p3 > > Tyler, I believe disk boot failure is a BIOS error, not a linux error. > It can happen if there is no drive, or the drive is not bootable, it > could also happen if the BIOS boot options are not set properly, > usually listed as boot priority, you usually want something like > floppy, cdrom, ide0, ide1 boot priority. If the cables all seem > okay I the next thing to check would be if the BIOS is seeing > the drive. On modern BIOS the drives will usually be set to > auto but if you press F8 it will detect the drives and show you > them in BIOS (may be a different function key for a different > BIOS). Confirm that BIOS is seeing the drive, and showing it > as master, then check the boot priority settings in BIOS to > make sure IDE0 is in the boot priority list. There are also > settings in BIOS for the hard drive DMA mode, the lowest > mode being PIO0, which is original IDE. If still not booting > try setting that the lowest possible mode. The highest mode > is probably PIO5 or Ultra DMA, or UDMA 133. > > At this point, after checking BIOS, if it sees the drive as > master, IDE0 is in the boot list, the DMA mode is lowest > PIO0, and it still won't boot, I would suggest putting it > back in the original machine and making sure it boots. > > If it doesn't boot there I would check the partition table > using fdisk or cfdisk or similar, check the bootable flag and > make sure a partition is marked as bootable, and it's the > correct partition, the one with grub installed. You can do > this by booting from a linux CD and running fdisk -l or > cfdisk. > > If BIOS on target system is seeing the drive as master and > the drive will boot in original machine, then I'd say its time > to try a different drive in target motherboard to make sure > the IDE controller is working okay. > > -- Doug > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 6/17/2007 > 8:23 AM > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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