Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide

Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide

[Cleverson]

Hello,

I think many new Speakup users would apreciate a kind of applications list
or guide reference, containing suggestions of applications for several
different tasks.

As an example, for me not to have to experience a lot of programs until I
discover what works fine with Speakup, or what people in general consider as
friendly for blind users, I could simply access a Wiki, read what people say
about what program to use to perform a given task, from reading mail til
browsing the web, reading rss, editing / processing text, managing files,
recording / hearing / editing audio, etc etc. And after I was tried some
programs I would put my own experience in this wiki... Is there already 
anything like this?

Cheers,
Cleverson

"Be realistic; ask for the impossible."


		
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Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide

[Zachary Kline]

Hiya,
I agree with this idea.  It's quite important--even if all the programs 
we're likely to ever run at the console are text-mode programs, we still 
want to know what works well, what's a bit more difficult, etc.
As for my experience, I like Nano or Emacs in combination with Emacspeak for 
text editing.  I use nail for email reading--yes, it's a command line 
program, but it's a very nice command-line program.  Web browsing, again, I 
turn to Emacspeak and W3: I don't really like using Lynx if I can avoid it.
Other than that, due to the unfortunate lack of support in Alsa for my sound 
card, I can't play audio or record it very well.
Hope this helps,
Zack.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cleverson" <clever92000@yahoo.com.br>
To: "Speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:00 PM
Subject: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide


Hello,

I think many new Speakup users would apreciate a kind of applications list
or guide reference, containing suggestions of applications for several
different tasks.

As an example, for me not to have to experience a lot of programs until I
discover what works fine with Speakup, or what people in general consider as
friendly for blind users, I could simply access a Wiki, read what people say
about what program to use to perform a given task, from reading mail til
browsing the web, reading rss, editing / processing text, managing files,
recording / hearing / editing audio, etc etc. And after I was tried some
programs I would put my own experience in this wiki... Is there already
anything like this?

Cheers,
Cleverson

"Be realistic; ask for the impossible."



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Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide

[Cleverson]

Hi Zack,

In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer 
command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think there 
is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster and I 
think there are console programs for any task.

For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you should 
memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to me 
at least...

Cheers,
Cleverson

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Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide

[Alex Snow]

A graphical environment does have its advantages...I find the console 
web browsers inadiquit for lots of things (full javascript support, 
flash, adn java applets come to mind), and certain file management 
tasks are far easier in a guy then cli, such as copying files from a 
directory to somewhere else, where the multiple files to be copied are 
not contiguous.
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:43:05PM -0300, Cleverson 
wrote:
> Hi Zack,
> 
> In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer 
> command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think there 
> is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster and I 
> think there are console programs for any task.
> 
> For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you should 
> memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to me 
> at least...
> 
> Cheers,
> Cleverson
> 
> "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." 
> 
> 
> 		
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Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide

[Zachary Kline]

Hello,
I am curious, admittedly, what you use for graphical environments?  Is it 
Orca?  Gnome?  Something else?
Thanks,
Zack.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide


>A graphical environment does have its advantages...I find the console
> web browsers inadiquit for lots of things (full javascript support,
> flash, adn java applets come to mind), and certain file management
> tasks are far easier in a guy then cli, such as copying files from a
> directory to somewhere else, where the multiple files to be copied are
> not contiguous.
> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:43:05PM -0300, Cleverson
> wrote:
>> Hi Zack,
>>
>> In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer
>> command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think 
>> there
>> is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster 
>> and I
>> think there are console programs for any task.
>>
>> For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you 
>> should
>> memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to 
>> me
>> at least...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Cleverson
>>
>> "Be realistic; ask for the impossible."
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________________
>> Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?!
>> Experimente j? e veja as novidades.
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>>
>>
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>
> -- 
> I don't know why, but first C programs tend to look a lot worse than
> first programs in any other language (maybe except for fortran, but then
> I suspect all fortran programs look like `firsts')
> -- Olaf Kirch
>
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Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide

[Luke Yelavich]

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> The only thing really missing in the text-based environment is the
> java and javascript support for web pages, and I hope, in the near
> future, to remedy this.  I will do some research and come up with a
> product that works as soon as I can.  

As previously stated, if you want to help improve this, help the elinks 
guys with supporting javascript from the spidermonkey library. Elinks is 
by far the best text-mode browser, and there is really no point in 
re-inventing the wheel.
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Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide

[Doug Smith]

The only thing really missing in the text-based environment is the
java and javascript support for web pages, and I hope, in the near
future, to remedy this.  I will do some research and come up with a
product that works as soon as I can.  



Stay tuned.  




-- 
Doug Smith: C.S.F.C.
Computer Scientist For CHRIST

Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide

[Michael Whapples]

I think I have to agree with Alex that a GUI does have its place, web
browsing being the most noticable. While it should be possible for
someone to create a suitable text mode browser which can support all the
features that are needed today (such as javascript), I think such a
project is going to be hard work for the results, it most likely won't
get the same wide usage as something such as firefox, so either it may
take longer for bugs to be tracked down, corrected, or web sites won't
consider what to do for that browser (when they have browser specific
code).

I for the most part use orca with gnome, but there is LSR as well. This
is the thing with free software, try them all and use what you find
best, you don't loose anything but the time.

From
Michael Whapples
On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 20:04 -0800, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Hello,
> I am curious, admittedly, what you use for graphical environments?  Is it 
> Orca?  Gnome?  Something else?
> Thanks,
> Zack.
> 

Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide

[Albert E. Sten-Clanton]

I've used only the console in Linux so far, and would be glad to keep doing it.  I know of no text-based way to use OpenOffice or any of its components, though, or to do what it does.  I'm told it t does a pretty good job of reading documents produced by Microshaft Office programs, and of creating documents that those programs can read.  That can be important.  

If I'm mistaken about the lack of such text-based access, I'd be grateful for correction.

Al

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cleverson" <clever92000@yahoo.com.br>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide


Hi Zack,

In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer 
command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think there 
is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster and I 
think there are console programs for any task.

For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you should 
memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to me 
at least...

Cheers,
Cleverson

"Be realistic; ask for the impossible." 



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Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide

[Alex Snow]

I'm still using windows (2000 mainly) for anything I need a gui for, 
though that is likely to change in the near future with the 
accessibility features in gnome becoming more and more usable...I am 
currently building gnome 2.17 to evaluate what's available...I would 
drop windows in a heartbeat when the unix GUI becomes accessible...
On 
Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 08:04:41PM -0800, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Hello,
> I am curious, admittedly, what you use for graphical environments?  Is it 
> Orca?  Gnome?  Something else?
> Thanks,
> Zack.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide
> 
> 
> >A graphical environment does have its advantages...I find the console
> > web browsers inadiquit for lots of things (full javascript support,
> > flash, adn java applets come to mind), and certain file management
> > tasks are far easier in a guy then cli, such as copying files from a
> > directory to somewhere else, where the multiple files to be copied are
> > not contiguous.
> > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:43:05PM -0300, Cleverson
> > wrote:
> >> Hi Zack,
> >>
> >> In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer
> >> command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think 
> >> there
> >> is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster 
> >> and I
> >> think there are console programs for any task.
> >>
> >> For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you 
> >> should
> >> memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to 
> >> me
> >> at least...
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Cleverson
> >>
> >> "Be realistic; ask for the impossible."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________________
> >> Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?!
> >> Experimente j? e veja as novidades.
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > -- 
> > I don't know why, but first C programs tend to look a lot worse than
> > first programs in any other language (maybe except for fortran, but then
> > I suspect all fortran programs look like `firsts')
> > -- Olaf Kirch
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide

[Zachary Kline]

Howdy,
OpenOffice does indeed do a pretty good job of that sort of thing.  There 
are a number of programs which can read MS Word files from the console, such 
as wv.  As for preparing nice-looking documents, you can use LateX, or 
similar.  The problem with Word documents is that a lot of times the 
formatting in them is only really essential to a sighted person, and 
sometimes not even to them.  The content of the document itself is more 
important than what it looks like.
If you'd like to use OpenOffice, though, Orca for Gnome has scripted the 
Writer program pretty extensively, as well as the spreadsheet.
Hope this helps,
Zack.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert E. Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide


I've used only the console in Linux so far, and would be glad to keep doing 
it.  I know of no text-based way to use OpenOffice or any of its components, 
though, or to do what it does.  I'm told it t does a pretty good job of 
reading documents produced by Microshaft Office programs, and of creating 
documents that those programs can read.  That can be important.

If I'm mistaken about the lack of such text-based access, I'd be grateful 
for correction.

Al

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cleverson" <clever92000@yahoo.com.br>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide


Hi Zack,

In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer
command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think there
is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster and I
think there are console programs for any task.

For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you should
memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to me
at least...

Cheers,
Cleverson

"Be realistic; ask for the impossible."



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Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide

[Chris Norman]

In my opinion (and it is by no means an informed one), it is accessible.

I haven't touched windows for about 6 months now, and haven't missed it
at all.

I am using Ubuntu 6.10 (after feisty made my computer die), and I can
mount any windows share I like to it - not a problem.

HTH.

Chris Norman.

On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 10:38 -0500, Alex Snow wrote:
> I'm still using windows (2000 mainly) for anything I need a gui for, 
> though that is likely to change in the near future with the 
> accessibility features in gnome becoming more and more usable...I am 
> currently building gnome 2.17 to evaluate what's available...I would 
> drop windows in a heartbeat when the unix GUI becomes accessible...
> On 
> Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 08:04:41PM -0800, Zachary Kline wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I am curious, admittedly, what you use for graphical environments?  Is it 
> > Orca?  Gnome?  Something else?
> > Thanks,
> > Zack.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide
> > 
> > 
> > >A graphical environment does have its advantages...I find the console
> > > web browsers inadiquit for lots of things (full javascript support,
> > > flash, adn java applets come to mind), and certain file management
> > > tasks are far easier in a guy then cli, such as copying files from a
> > > directory to somewhere else, where the multiple files to be copied are
> > > not contiguous.
> > > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:43:05PM -0300, Cleverson
> > > wrote:
> > >> Hi Zack,
> > >>
> > >> In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer
> > >> command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think 
> > >> there
> > >> is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster 
> > >> and I
> > >> think there are console programs for any task.
> > >>
> > >> For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you 
> > >> should
> > >> memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to 
> > >> me
> > >> at least...
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Cleverson
> > >>
> > >> "Be realistic; ask for the impossible."
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________________
> > >> Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?!
> > >> Experimente j? e veja as novidades.
> > >> http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Speakup mailing list
> > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > I don't know why, but first C programs tend to look a lot worse than
> > > first programs in any other language (maybe except for fortran, but then
> > > I suspect all fortran programs look like `firsts')
> > > -- Olaf Kirch
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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