* Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide @ Cleverson ` Zachary Kline 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Cleverson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup Hello, I think many new Speakup users would apreciate a kind of applications list or guide reference, containing suggestions of applications for several different tasks. As an example, for me not to have to experience a lot of programs until I discover what works fine with Speakup, or what people in general consider as friendly for blind users, I could simply access a Wiki, read what people say about what program to use to perform a given task, from reading mail til browsing the web, reading rss, editing / processing text, managing files, recording / hearing / editing audio, etc etc. And after I was tried some programs I would put my own experience in this wiki... Is there already anything like this? Cheers, Cleverson "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor opção para você! Experimente já e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide Cleverson @ ` Zachary Kline ` Cleverson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hiya, I agree with this idea. It's quite important--even if all the programs we're likely to ever run at the console are text-mode programs, we still want to know what works well, what's a bit more difficult, etc. As for my experience, I like Nano or Emacs in combination with Emacspeak for text editing. I use nail for email reading--yes, it's a command line program, but it's a very nice command-line program. Web browsing, again, I turn to Emacspeak and W3: I don't really like using Lynx if I can avoid it. Other than that, due to the unfortunate lack of support in Alsa for my sound card, I can't play audio or record it very well. Hope this helps, Zack. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cleverson" <clever92000@yahoo.com.br> To: "Speakup" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide Hello, I think many new Speakup users would apreciate a kind of applications list or guide reference, containing suggestions of applications for several different tasks. As an example, for me not to have to experience a lot of programs until I discover what works fine with Speakup, or what people in general consider as friendly for blind users, I could simply access a Wiki, read what people say about what program to use to perform a given task, from reading mail til browsing the web, reading rss, editing / processing text, managing files, recording / hearing / editing audio, etc etc. And after I was tried some programs I would put my own experience in this wiki... Is there already anything like this? Cheers, Cleverson "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor opção para você! Experimente já e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide ` Zachary Kline @ ` Cleverson ` Alex Snow ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Cleverson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Zack, In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think there is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster and I think there are console programs for any task. For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you should memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to me at least... Cheers, Cleverson "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor opção para você! Experimente já e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide ` Cleverson @ ` Alex Snow ` Zachary Kline ` Doug Smith ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton 1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. A graphical environment does have its advantages...I find the console web browsers inadiquit for lots of things (full javascript support, flash, adn java applets come to mind), and certain file management tasks are far easier in a guy then cli, such as copying files from a directory to somewhere else, where the multiple files to be copied are not contiguous. On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:43:05PM -0300, Cleverson wrote: > Hi Zack, > > In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer > command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think there > is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster and I > think there are console programs for any task. > > For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you should > memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to me > at least... > > Cheers, > Cleverson > > "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?! > Experimente j? e veja as novidades. > http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- I don't know why, but first C programs tend to look a lot worse than first programs in any other language (maybe except for fortran, but then I suspect all fortran programs look like `firsts') -- Olaf Kirch ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide ` Alex Snow @ ` Zachary Kline [not found] ` <1173348350.2904.250.camel@layla> ` Alex Snow ` Doug Smith 1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello, I am curious, admittedly, what you use for graphical environments? Is it Orca? Gnome? Something else? Thanks, Zack. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide >A graphical environment does have its advantages...I find the console > web browsers inadiquit for lots of things (full javascript support, > flash, adn java applets come to mind), and certain file management > tasks are far easier in a guy then cli, such as copying files from a > directory to somewhere else, where the multiple files to be copied are > not contiguous. > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:43:05PM -0300, Cleverson > wrote: >> Hi Zack, >> >> In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer >> command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think >> there >> is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster >> and I >> think there are console programs for any task. >> >> For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you >> should >> memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to >> me >> at least... >> >> Cheers, >> Cleverson >> >> "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?! >> Experimente j? e veja as novidades. >> http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > I don't know why, but first C programs tend to look a lot worse than > first programs in any other language (maybe except for fortran, but then > I suspect all fortran programs look like `firsts') > -- Olaf Kirch > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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* Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide [not found] ` <1173348350.2904.250.camel@layla> @ ` Michael Whapples 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I think I have to agree with Alex that a GUI does have its place, web browsing being the most noticable. While it should be possible for someone to create a suitable text mode browser which can support all the features that are needed today (such as javascript), I think such a project is going to be hard work for the results, it most likely won't get the same wide usage as something such as firefox, so either it may take longer for bugs to be tracked down, corrected, or web sites won't consider what to do for that browser (when they have browser specific code). I for the most part use orca with gnome, but there is LSR as well. This is the thing with free software, try them all and use what you find best, you don't loose anything but the time. From Michael Whapples On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 20:04 -0800, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hello, > I am curious, admittedly, what you use for graphical environments? Is it > Orca? Gnome? Something else? > Thanks, > Zack. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide ` Zachary Kline [not found] ` <1173348350.2904.250.camel@layla> @ ` Alex Snow ` Chris Norman 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I'm still using windows (2000 mainly) for anything I need a gui for, though that is likely to change in the near future with the accessibility features in gnome becoming more and more usable...I am currently building gnome 2.17 to evaluate what's available...I would drop windows in a heartbeat when the unix GUI becomes accessible... On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 08:04:41PM -0800, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hello, > I am curious, admittedly, what you use for graphical environments? Is it > Orca? Gnome? Something else? > Thanks, > Zack. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide > > > >A graphical environment does have its advantages...I find the console > > web browsers inadiquit for lots of things (full javascript support, > > flash, adn java applets come to mind), and certain file management > > tasks are far easier in a guy then cli, such as copying files from a > > directory to somewhere else, where the multiple files to be copied are > > not contiguous. > > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:43:05PM -0300, Cleverson > > wrote: > >> Hi Zack, > >> > >> In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer > >> command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think > >> there > >> is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster > >> and I > >> think there are console programs for any task. > >> > >> For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you > >> should > >> memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to > >> me > >> at least... > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Cleverson > >> > >> "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________________ > >> Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?! > >> Experimente j? e veja as novidades. > >> http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > I don't know why, but first C programs tend to look a lot worse than > > first programs in any other language (maybe except for fortran, but then > > I suspect all fortran programs look like `firsts') > > -- Olaf Kirch > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot of different places, just write a Unix operating system. -- Linus Torvalds ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide ` Alex Snow @ ` Chris Norman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Chris Norman @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. In my opinion (and it is by no means an informed one), it is accessible. I haven't touched windows for about 6 months now, and haven't missed it at all. I am using Ubuntu 6.10 (after feisty made my computer die), and I can mount any windows share I like to it - not a problem. HTH. Chris Norman. On Thu, 2007-03-08 at 10:38 -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > I'm still using windows (2000 mainly) for anything I need a gui for, > though that is likely to change in the near future with the > accessibility features in gnome becoming more and more usable...I am > currently building gnome 2.17 to evaluate what's available...I would > drop windows in a heartbeat when the unix GUI becomes accessible... > On > Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 08:04:41PM -0800, Zachary Kline wrote: > > Hello, > > I am curious, admittedly, what you use for graphical environments? Is it > > Orca? Gnome? Something else? > > Thanks, > > Zack. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net> > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:35 PM > > Subject: Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide > > > > > > >A graphical environment does have its advantages...I find the console > > > web browsers inadiquit for lots of things (full javascript support, > > > flash, adn java applets come to mind), and certain file management > > > tasks are far easier in a guy then cli, such as copying files from a > > > directory to somewhere else, where the multiple files to be copied are > > > not contiguous. > > > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 11:43:05PM -0300, Cleverson > > > wrote: > > >> Hi Zack, > > >> > > >> In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer > > >> command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think > > >> there > > >> is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster > > >> and I > > >> think there are console programs for any task. > > >> > > >> For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you > > >> should > > >> memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to > > >> me > > >> at least... > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> Cleverson > > >> > > >> "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________________ > > >> Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor op??o para voc?! > > >> Experimente j? e veja as novidades. > > >> http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Speakup mailing list > > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > -- > > > I don't know why, but first C programs tend to look a lot worse than > > > first programs in any other language (maybe except for fortran, but then > > > I suspect all fortran programs look like `firsts') > > > -- Olaf Kirch > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide ` Alex Snow ` Zachary Kline @ ` Doug Smith ` Luke Yelavich 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Doug Smith @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. The only thing really missing in the text-based environment is the java and javascript support for web pages, and I hope, in the near future, to remedy this. I will do some research and come up with a product that works as soon as I can. Stay tuned. -- Doug Smith: C.S.F.C. Computer Scientist For CHRIST ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide ` Doug Smith @ ` Luke Yelavich 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Luke Yelavich @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 08:48:09PM EST, Doug Smith wrote: > The only thing really missing in the text-based environment is the > java and javascript support for web pages, and I hope, in the near > future, to remedy this. I will do some research and come up with a > product that works as soon as I can. As previously stated, if you want to help improve this, help the elinks guys with supporting javascript from the spidermonkey library. Elinks is by far the best text-mode browser, and there is really no point in re-inventing the wheel. - -- Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso@themuso.com Jabber: themuso@jabber.org.au -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFF75OLjVefwtBjIM4RAvMOAJ9twYvyWB83mdbZBx37HDsGafdmKQCgueOl FvUYTP0xTzGD2hd40djX6fY= =PO7N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide ` Cleverson ` Alex Snow @ ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton ` Zachary Kline 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Albert E. Sten-Clanton @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I've used only the console in Linux so far, and would be glad to keep doing it. I know of no text-based way to use OpenOffice or any of its components, though, or to do what it does. I'm told it t does a pretty good job of reading documents produced by Microshaft Office programs, and of creating documents that those programs can read. That can be important. If I'm mistaken about the lack of such text-based access, I'd be grateful for correction. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cleverson" <clever92000@yahoo.com.br> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide Hi Zack, In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think there is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster and I think there are console programs for any task. For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you should memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to me at least... Cheers, Cleverson "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor opção para você! Experimente já e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.7 - Release Date: 3/4/2007 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide ` Albert E. Sten-Clanton @ ` Zachary Kline 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Zachary Kline @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Howdy, OpenOffice does indeed do a pretty good job of that sort of thing. There are a number of programs which can read MS Word files from the console, such as wv. As for preparing nice-looking documents, you can use LateX, or similar. The problem with Word documents is that a lot of times the formatting in them is only really essential to a sighted person, and sometimes not even to them. The content of the document itself is more important than what it looks like. If you'd like to use OpenOffice, though, Orca for Gnome has scripted the Writer program pretty extensively, as well as the spreadsheet. Hope this helps, Zack. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert E. Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide I've used only the console in Linux so far, and would be glad to keep doing it. I know of no text-based way to use OpenOffice or any of its components, though, or to do what it does. I'm told it t does a pretty good job of reading documents produced by Microshaft Office programs, and of creating documents that those programs can read. That can be important. If I'm mistaken about the lack of such text-based access, I'd be grateful for correction. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cleverson" <clever92000@yahoo.com.br> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Suggestion: Speakup desktop guide Hi Zack, In fact, I don't know if the term "desktop" aplies to people who prefer command line programs rather than graphical ones, but I really think there is no reason to use a graphical environment, since text mode is faster and I think there are console programs for any task. For blind users, perhaps the only difference is that in text mode you should memorize some command strings instead of key strokes. Nothing's hard, to me at least... Cheers, Cleverson "Be realistic; ask for the impossible." _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - Sempre a melhor opção para você! Experimente já e veja as novidades. http://br.yahoo.com/mailbeta/tudonovo/ _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.7 - Release Date: 3/4/2007 _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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