can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Gregory Nowak]

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Hi all.

I recently decided to sit down, and to get espeak working with speech
dispatcher and speechd-up, since I've been reading so many great
messages about it. This is on a system that has run festival and flite
with speech dispatcher and speechd-up without any problems up to
now. I am using the following:

Debian GNU/Linux testing
speech-dispatcher 0.6.1-2
speechd-up 0.3-1
espeak 1.11a

I'm going to leave out the kernel and speakup versions, since I don't
think they're relevant in this situation.

My speech-dispatcher.log reads:

[Mon Aug 21 18:16:10 2006 : 198574] speechd:  Speech Dispatcher
Logging to file
/var/log/speech-dispatcher/speech-dispatcher.log
[Mon Aug 21 18:16:10 2006 : 248193] speechd:  Initializing output
module espeak-generic with binary
/usr/lib/speech-dispatcher-modules//sd_generic and configuration
/etc/speech-dispatcher/modules//espeak-generic.conf
[Mon Aug 21 18:16:10 2006 : 248473] speechd:  Output module is logging
to file /var/log/speech-dispatcher/espeak.log
[Mon Aug 21 18:16:10 2006 : 254047] speechd:  Module espeak-generic
loaded.
[Mon Aug 21 18:16:10 2006 : 453706] speechd:  Module espeak-generic
started sucessfully with message:
- ---------------
Everything ok so far.
- ---------------

[Mon Aug 21 18:16:10 2006 : 482436] speechd:   Reading configuration
for pattern emacs:*
[Mon Aug 21 18:16:10 2006 : 485440] speechd:   Reading configuration
for pattern *:gnomespeech:*
[Mon Aug 21 18:16:10 2006 : 486079] speechd:  Configuration has been
read from "/etc/speech-dispatcher//speechd.conf"
[Mon Aug 21 18:16:10 2006 : 486669] speechd:   Speech Dispatcher
started with 1
output module
[Mon Aug 21 18:16:10 2006 : 487092] speechd:   Openning socket
connection
[Mon Aug 21 18:16:10 2006 : 492660] speechd: Speech Dispatcher waiting
for clients ...

My espeak.log file is empty.

Speechd-up.log reads:

[Mon Aug 21 18:12:59 2006] speechd: Speechd-speakup starts!
[Mon Aug 21 18:12:59 2006] speechd:   ERROR: [?: this command is not
supported]
[Mon Aug 21 18:12:59 2006] speechd:   ERROR: [y: this command is not
supported]
[Mon Aug 21 18:12:59 2006] speechd:   [volume setting not supported
yet]
[Mon Aug 21 18:12:59 2006] speechd:   [tone setting not supported]
[Mon Aug 21 18:12:59 2006] speechd: ERROR: Invalid punctuation mode!
[Mon Aug 21 18:12:59 2006] speechd:   WARNING: [frequency setting not
supported,use rate instead]

My espeak-generic.conf is as shipped with speech-dispatcher under
debian, except for modifications to the following section:

GenericRateAdd          180
GenericPitchAdd         50
GenericVolumeAdd        100

# (These values are multiplied by 100, because DotConf currently
# doesn't support floats. So you can write 0.85 as 85 and so on.)

GenericRateMultiply     90
GenericPitchMultiply    50
GenericVolumeMultiply   100
 

These are values that Steve Holmes said work for him in a previous
post to this list. The only reason I made these changes is because
from what I understand, espeak-generic.conf was written to work with
espeak 1.10, and from previous posts to this list, I gathered that
changes in espeak 1.11 made the values used in espeak-generic.conf
incompatible.

If my understanding is incorrect, and my changes to these values is in
fact what is causing the problem, then I would appreciate it if someone
would please tell me what the original values were, so I can change
them back.

Typing:

speak "this is a test"

on the command-line does work, and speaks the typed message. Also, I
have aplay installed on this system as well, and it works just fine
for playing all other applay-supported sound files, including wav.

In case it's not obvious, the problem I'm experiencing here is no
speech.

If there is some other info I should provide, please let me know what info is needed. Thanks in advance for any help.

Greg


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Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Tyler Spivey]

Can you provide your speechd.conf file?
- Tyler

Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Gregory Nowak]

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Yes. However, since it is too large to be sent to the list, I've
instead posted it at:

http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/speechd.conf

Greg


On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 09:34:47PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
> Can you provide your speechd.conf file?
> - Tyler
> 
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Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Tyler Spivey]

That looks good. Can you put your espeak-generic.conf file up there as
well? It has to be something simple, or there'd be more errors. :) Try
doing:
speak -w test.wav "some text";aplay test.wav
to see if it actually plays.

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 11:06:11PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> Yes. However, since it is too large to be sent to the list, I've
> instead posted it at:
> 
> http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/speechd.conf
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 09:34:47PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
> > Can you provide your speechd.conf file?
> > - Tyler
> > 
> > 
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Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[hanke]

Hi,

I think you should switch the debugging on in the espeak-genric.conf
file (remove the # sign for comment and switch to one the line with the
Debug option). Then examine the espeak generic log file again.

If you can't find the problem, also post the log file here.

With regards,
Hynek Hanke



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Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[chuckh]

Greg,

I just configured a system similarly with no problems. Did you perchance 
put the speak command in /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin?  Typing the 
speak command on a command line would work either way, but I think 
speech-dispatcher wants it to be in /usr/bin.

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Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Gregory Nowak]

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Thanks to Tyler S., Hynek, and Chuck in no particular order for your
help.

When installing espeak, I just copied the espeak-data directory
verbatim to /usr/share/, without checking the permissions on the
directory or files, assuming they were ok. When testing espeak, I
tested it as root, without bothering to check if a normal user could
use it also. It turns out that when running espeak as a normal user,
it couldn't access the files in /usr/share/espeak-data, and fixing the
permissions solved this, and also allowed espeak to be useable with
speechd-up. So, that was the problem, which I admit I should have
thought of sooner.

Also, Chuck was right that the speak binary has to exist in /usr/bin,
rather then in /usr/local/bin, however, since I don't like software
installed manually to exist outside of /usr/local/, providing the full
path to speak in espeak-generic.conf solves that issue, while still
allowing speak to remain in /usr/local/bin. Speaking of that, is it
possible to specify the path to espeak-data without having to
recompile? If not, where in the source can this be changed? I'd like
to have espeak-data in /usr/local/share, rather then in /usr/share.

I'm writing this message on the machine which I've installed espeak
on, and have to side with all the other comments I've seen on this
list. The speech quality is very refreshing when compared to festival,
flite, and even to the bns. My hat off to Jonathan for such a
great software synth, with a small footprint, that sill has lots of potential down the road.

Greg


On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 03:02:08PM -0400, chuckh@hhs48.com wrote:
> Greg,
> 
> I just configured a system similarly with no problems. Did you perchance 
> put the speak command in /usr/local/bin instead of /usr/bin?  Typing the 
> speak command on a command line would work either way, but I think 
> speech-dispatcher wants it to be in /usr/bin.
> 
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> 
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Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Jonathan Duddington]

In article <20060822203724.GA32349@localhost.localdomain>,
   Gregory Nowak <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> wrote:

> Speaking of that, is it possible to specify the path to espeak-data
> without having to recompile? If not, where in the source can this be
> changed? I'd like to have espeak-data in /usr/local/share, rather
> then in /usr/share.

In the function  init_path()  in source file  speak.cpp (line 157).

It looks first in your home directory, and then, if not found, in
/usr/share.

> The speech quality is very refreshing...

An interesting adjective.  I'd probably use "sharp" :-)

> when compared to festival, flite, and even to the bns.

I'm familiar with festival and flight, but I don't know "bns" ?

> My hat off to Jonathan for such a great software synth, with a small
> footprint, that sill has lots of potential down the road.

Let me know what potential you're thinking of.

BTW, if anyone wants to assist with another language, please let me
know.  Willem van der Wald has done a good job with Afrikaans (well,
probably, really I've no idea how it's supposed to sound :-)

Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 10:14:12PM +0100, Jonathan Duddington wrote:
> I'm familiar with festival and flight, but I don't know "bns" ?
> 

Braille 'n Speak, a hardware synth, originally sold by Blazie
Engineering, now sold by Freedom Scientific, http://www.freedomscientific.com.

> Let me know what potential you're thinking of.
> 

I meant just in general, but some examples are a U.S. accent to the
English speech, more
voices, and I guess support for more languages just to name a few,
though like I said, I think it's very useable now as is. It would also
be nice if it were possible to have full numbers pronounced as
one-hundred-sixty-eight, instead of one-hundred-and-sixty-eight.

Greg




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Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Jonathan Duddington]

In article <20060822215800.GA1014@localhost.localdomain>,
   Gregory Nowak <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> wrote:

> I meant just in general, but some examples are a U.S. accent to the
> English speech,

I don't speak American, so someone else will need to do that :-)

> more voices,

I wonder whether anyone uses any of the English voice variants other
than the standard?  Feel free to experiment with attributes in the
espeak-data/voices  files, as described in  docs/voices.html, and let
me know if anyone comes up with a good sounding variant.    

> and I guess support for more languages just to name a few,
> though like I said, I think it's very useable now as is. It would also
> be nice if it were possible to have full numbers pronounced as
> one-hundred-sixty-eight, instead of one-hundred-and-sixty-eight.

That's an easy one!  Here's a modified  espeak-data/en-dict  file (for
eSpeak version 1.11) that says "one-hundred-sixty-eight".  Is that how
you say it, or is it just for convenience with being shorter?

  http://espeak.sourceforge.net/test/numbers_2.zip

I don't expect everyone would want it, but there's a mechanism to have
variant pronunciations of words, or variant pronunciation rules,
controlled by an attribute in a voice file, so I could set that up for
numbers in the next release.

Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 11:39:35PM +0100, Jonathan Duddington wrote:
> I wonder whether anyone uses any of the English voice variants other
> than the standard?  Feel free to experiment with attributes in the
> espeak-data/voices  files, as described in  docs/voices.html, and let
> me know if anyone comes up with a good sounding variant.    
> 

When I was setting up espeak, I passed the file names in
espeak-data/voices/ along with the -v flag to the speak binary. While
I could tell that the voices were different, I didn't notice much of a
difference, and decided to stick with the standard voice. The standard
voice isn't bad, I again suggested more voices as having general
potential for espeak's improvement, and not as an implication that the
standard voice, or the other voices for that matter were unsatisfactory.

> That's an easy one!  Here's a modified  espeak-data/en-dict  file (for
> eSpeak version 1.11) that says "one-hundred-sixty-eight".  Is that how
> you say it, or is it just for convenience with being shorter?
> 

Thanks, that's more like what I'm used to listening. I usually say it
as one-sixty-eight, and I might say it sometimes as one-hundred-sixty-eight. I've never said it before
though as one-hundred-and-sixty-eight. However, most, if not all
synths I've used over the years say full numbers as
one-hundred-sixty-eight, so that's what I've become used to listening.

Greg




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Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Gary Cramblitt]

On Tuesday 22 August 2006 18:39, Jonathan Duddington wrote:
> In article <20060822215800.GA1014@localhost.localdomain>,
>
>    Gregory Nowak <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> wrote:
>>  It would also
> > be nice if it were possible to have full numbers pronounced as
> > one-hundred-sixty-eight, instead of one-hundred-and-sixty-eight.
>
> That's an easy one!  Here's a modified  espeak-data/en-dict  file (for
> eSpeak version 1.11) that says "one-hundred-sixty-eight".  Is that how
> you say it, or is it just for convenience with being shorter?
>
>   http://espeak.sourceforge.net/test/numbers_2.zip

I live in U.S.  When I was in grade school, I was taught that inserting "and" 
into whole numbers is incorrect, especially when speaking money (or writing 
checks).  "and" should be used in place of the decimal point.    $168.12 
should be spoken "one hundred sixty eight dollars and twelve cents".   
Not "one hundred and sixty eight dollars and twelve cents".   However, one 
hears this error so often now, FAIK, the rules have changed.
-- 
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Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Jonathan Duddington]

In article <200608230838.01351.garycramblitt@comcast.net>,
   Gary Cramblitt <garycramblitt@comcast.net> wrote:

> I live in U.S.  When I was in grade school, I was taught that
> inserting "and" into whole numbers is incorrect, especially when
> speaking money (or writing checks).  "and" should be used in place
> of the decimal point.    $168.12 should be spoken "one hundred sixty
> eight dollars and twelve cents".

Interesting.  It must be an American thing then :-)

How should "102", "112", "1002", and "1023" be spoken?  Do any of those
include an "and"?

I actually say 168 as "a hundred 'n sixty-eight" with a "'n" (syllablic
n) sound rather than "and".  I could make that change as a compromise.

Here, cheques (which I think are equivalent to your "checks") are
written as "One hundred and sixty eight".

Of course, for an American, there'll be quite a few words with "wrong"
pronunciation.  Is that annoying?  If anyone wants to make a list of
alternative rules and exceptions for US pronunciations for the 
en_rules  and  en_list  files, then I could mark them as "conditional"
rules and exceptions which could be activated by an attribute in a
voice file.  It would be quite a big job to do it thoroughly.

That wouldn't give them American vowels and "r" and "t" sounds (which
is a different problem), but you could have tomato as "tomayto" instead
of "tomarto".

Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Michael Whapples]

Its a problem, US and UK pronounciations. For me it is the reverse of the 
problem below, normally synths are US based, and I am in the UK. I actually 
get quite annoyed by those US pronounciations, and that is another thing 
that makes espeak good for me. Probably the only solution that will make all 
happy about this is to have two seperate languages e.g. enuk and enus.

From
Michael Whapples

Jonathan Duddington writes:

> In article <200608230838.01351.garycramblitt@comcast.net>,
>    Gary Cramblitt <garycramblitt@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> I live in U.S.  When I was in grade school, I was taught that
>> inserting "and" into whole numbers is incorrect, especially when
>> speaking money (or writing checks).  "and" should be used in place
>> of the decimal point.    $168.12 should be spoken "one hundred sixty
>> eight dollars and twelve cents".
> 
> Interesting.  It must be an American thing then :-)
> 
> How should "102", "112", "1002", and "1023" be spoken?  Do any of those
> include an "and"?
> 
> I actually say 168 as "a hundred 'n sixty-eight" with a "'n" (syllablic
> n) sound rather than "and".  I could make that change as a compromise.
> 
> Here, cheques (which I think are equivalent to your "checks") are
> written as "One hundred and sixty eight".
> 
> Of course, for an American, there'll be quite a few words with "wrong"
> pronunciation.  Is that annoying?  If anyone wants to make a list of
> alternative rules and exceptions for US pronunciations for the 
> en_rules  and  en_list  files, then I could mark them as "conditional"
> rules and exceptions which could be activated by an attribute in a
> voice file.  It would be quite a big job to do it thoroughly.
> 
> That wouldn't give them American vowels and "r" and "t" sounds (which
> is a different problem), but you could have tomato as "tomayto" instead
> of "tomarto".
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Lorenzo Taylor]

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I am American, but I personally like the UK english of eSpeak.  It's
much better than the British English Viavoice or IBMTTS or Elloquence or
whatever they are calling it now, at least in my opinion.

Lorenzo
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Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Steve Holmes]

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I've never looked at the speech configuration for pronunciation.  What
is the easiest to get started to understand it? I might wanna fix some
of the words.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 01:52:04PM -0400, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:
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> I am American, but I personally like the UK english of eSpeak.  It's
> much better than the British English Viavoice or IBMTTS or Elloquence or
> whatever they are calling it now, at least in my opinion.
> 
> Lorenzo
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Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Jonathan Duddington]

In article <20060823194428.GD3366@lnx3.holmesgrown.com>,
   Steve Holmes <steve@holmesgrown.com> wrote:

> I've never looked at the speech configuration for pronunciation.  What
> is the easiest to get started to understand it? I might wanna fix some
> of the words.

Pronunciation rules are in:  en_rules.
Exception words are in:  en_list.

You can add your own exceptions list, without disturbing the "official"
file by putting them in  en_extra  rather than  en_list.

Details are in the file:  docs/dictionary.html

The command:
  speak --compile=en

compiles   en_rules,  en_list,  and  en_extra (if it exists) and
produces a new version of  espeak-data/en-dict  which is used by the
speak program.

Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Gary Cramblitt]

On Wednesday 23 August 2006 09:19, Jonathan Duddington wrote:
> In article <200608230838.01351.garycramblitt@comcast.net>,
>
>    Gary Cramblitt <garycramblitt@comcast.net> wrote:
> > I live in U.S.  When I was in grade school, I was taught that
> > inserting "and" into whole numbers is incorrect, especially when
> > speaking money (or writing checks).  "and" should be used in place
> > of the decimal point.    $168.12 should be spoken "one hundred sixty
> > eight dollars and twelve cents".
>
> Interesting.  It must be an American thing then :-)

Yes, but one hears it spoken incorrectly all the time (with the extra "and"), 
so I don't think anyone would object if you left them in.

>
> How should "102", "112", "1002", and "1023" be spoken?  Do any of those
> include an "and"?

No.  "one hundred two", "one hundred twelve", "one thousand two", "one 
thousand twenty-three".

I don't feel strongly about this issue either way.  Do what you think is 
right.

-- 
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Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[Willem van der Walt]

In South African English, we would normaly use the and like
102 is one hundred and two, 1234 is one thousand two hundred and thirty 
four.
Regards, Willem


On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Gary Cramblitt wrote:

> On Wednesday 23 August 2006 09:19, Jonathan Duddington wrote:
>> In article <200608230838.01351.garycramblitt@comcast.net>,
>>
>>    Gary Cramblitt <garycramblitt@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> I live in U.S.  When I was in grade school, I was taught that
>>> inserting "and" into whole numbers is incorrect, especially when
>>> speaking money (or writing checks).  "and" should be used in place
>>> of the decimal point.    $168.12 should be spoken "one hundred sixty
>>> eight dollars and twelve cents".
>>
>> Interesting.  It must be an American thing then :-)
>
> Yes, but one hears it spoken incorrectly all the time (with the extra "and"),
> so I don't think anyone would object if you left them in.
>
>>
>> How should "102", "112", "1002", and "1023" be spoken?  Do any of those
>> include an "and"?
>
> No.  "one hundred two", "one hundred twelve", "one thousand two", "one
> thousand twenty-three".
>
> I don't feel strongly about this issue either way.  Do what you think is
> right.
>
> -- 
> Gary Cramblitt (aka PhantomsDad)
>
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Re: can't get espeak working with speech dispatcher and speechd-up

[gena-j]

On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 02:58:00PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> I meant just in general, but some examples are a U.S. accent to the
> English speech, more
> voices, and I guess support for more languages just to name a few,
Too many U.S. artificial voices, no more please! <smile>

Gena
> though like I said, I think it's very useable now as is. It would also
> be nice if it were possible to have full numbers pronounced as
> one-hundred-sixty-eight, instead of one-hundred-and-sixty-eight.
> 
> Greg
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