Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.

Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.

[Luke Yelavich]

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Hi all
I have recently obtained a DECtalk PC2 card, and have successfully set 
it up and used it under Windows 98 with JAWS. I am now attempting to 
make it work with Speakup under Linux.

I copied the dec_pc to the suggested location, and ran dtload -v. I get 
the following output:

testkernel got dec
Loading kernel of 26438 bytes ( 77 relocs )
    cs:ip == 0040:0010   ss:sp == 07eb:0200
status -3

However, upon loading speakup, I am informed that the device, while 
found, appeared to have no firmware loaded.

I try running dtload again, and get the following output:

testkernel got dec
Loading kernel of 26438 bytes ( 77 relocs )
    cs:ip == 0040:0010   ss:sp == 07eb:0200
card is ready
dt_loadmem: addr = 00000400 size = 26438
waitmode p=c001 s = 1000
status -9

When I attempt to load speakup and the decpc module a second time, the 
system completely locks up hard, and I have to press the reset button.

I have tried the firmware that came in the speakup tarball, and the 
firmware off my install disk, which is 4.2C. Suggestions are welcome.
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Re: Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.

[Adam Myrow]

I tried using the Dectalk PC 2 long ago with the Speakup driver, and had 
similar problems.  I found that what I often had to do is load it from 
DOS, then do a soft reboot with control-alt-delete.  I also had problems 
where the Linux clock would lose time severely whenever the Dectalk PC 2 
was active.  I eventually gave up and went back to the Accent PC I had 
gotten when the manufacturer was dumping his remaining stock.  Once I got 
a new PC, I switched to the Dectalk USB in RS232 mode, and haven't looked 
back.  The bottom line is that the Speakup driver may well work with the 
original Dectalk PC, but seems not to work well with the later PC 2.  I 
don't have the slightest idea of what the cause is.

RE: Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.

[Jim Grimsby]

Hi, this does not sound like a speakup driver issue this sounds like a
dt loader issue.  Remember the only thing that changed between pc 1 and
pc 2 was the firmware and the chip on the card.  The communication  did
not change at all nither did the in line commands.  It sounds like the
issue is with loading the dt firmware on the card.  
Hth 

jim grimsby 
msn: jim.grimsby@att.net
email:  jimgrims@pacbell.net
skype: jim.grimsby 

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[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Adam Myrow
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To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.


I tried using the Dectalk PC 2 long ago with the Speakup driver, and had

similar problems.  I found that what I often had to do is load it from 
DOS, then do a soft reboot with control-alt-delete.  I also had problems

where the Linux clock would lose time severely whenever the Dectalk PC 2

was active.  I eventually gave up and went back to the Accent PC I had 
gotten when the manufacturer was dumping his remaining stock.  Once I
got 
a new PC, I switched to the Dectalk USB in RS232 mode, and haven't
looked 
back.  The bottom line is that the Speakup driver may well work with the

original Dectalk PC, but seems not to work well with the later PC 2.  I 
don't have the slightest idea of what the cause is.


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RE: Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.

[Hart Larry]

Well, I also went to a U S B Dec-Talk, but from a pc1.  I must say that back 
then, I had much better results running Jupiter, but it is not exactly a 
screen-reader in the traditional sense.  Now, other than the pitch-and-rate 
getting knocked down quite often, speakup is quite responsive.
Hart

Re: Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 11:39:55AM EST, Hart Larry wrote:
> Well, I also went to a U S B Dec-Talk, but from a pc1.  I must say that 
> back then, I had much better results running Jupiter, but it is not exactly 
> a screen-reader in the traditional sense.  Now, other than the 
> pitch-and-rate getting knocked down quite often, speakup is quite 
> responsive.

Were you using jupiter with the DECtalk PC driver written back in the 
late 90s? I have found that, but haven't found a version for the 2.6 
kernel, so I am assuming that it is discontinued/dead. I think others 
used it for using the DEC pc with emacspeak.

The loader for speakup was adapted from that package, and I am wondering 
whether I would have any more luck with loading firmware if I was using 
that driver, assuming I had a 2.6 version.
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Re: Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.

[Hart Larry]

Well, Luke, honestly, I would write Karl, who would know the specifics.  Since 
I lost a hard-drive last year, Jupiter went with it, so sorry I cannot look.
Most important reason I wanted to try Jupiter was that it has dictionary 
support.
I just did a locate for jupiter--and here's what I found minus mp3s with 
jupiter in the title.  If you want anything from here, please write me 
off-list-and I can upload or move to my web site
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.orbit
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.B3.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.B4.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.L4.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.L5.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.R0.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.B0.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.L1.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.R3.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.png
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.L2.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.B1.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.R1.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.L3.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.L0.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.B2.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.B5.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.R2.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.R5.vsop
/usr/share/apps/kstars/jupiter.R4.vsop
/mnt/f/manuals/jupiter-atomic
/mnt/f/manuals/jupiter-cdrom
Hart

Re: Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 08:29:22AM EST, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> Hi all
> I have recently obtained a DECtalk PC2 card, and have successfully set 
> it up and used it under Windows 98 with JAWS. I am now attempting to 
> make it work with Speakup under Linux.

I have since been doing some searching on google, and have found a 
couple of other dtload implementations, one of which I have already 
mentioned. I also noticed that one more file gets loaded when the 
DECtalk software loads in DOS. This file is also mentioned in other 
documentation on the web, yet the dec_pc.tgz package does not have this 
file, and it is not mentioned in the config file. The file I am 
referring to is usa.exe

Furthermore, I have noticed that the loader gets further with loading 
the files with the dec_pc.tgz files, than it does with the firmware from 
my driver disk.

Through placing some debug messages in the dtload code, I noticed that 
with the firmware in the tarball, the initialization message gets sent, 
but nothing is spoken. Same with speakup, in that the driver and speakup 
load fine, volume, pitch, and rate settings are fine, yet nothing gets 
spoken. I am wondering whether this is to do with the usa.exe file 
missing? I tried to add the file from my driver disk, but this causes 
the loader and the system to lock up.

More information as it comes to hand.
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Luke Yelavich
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RE: Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.

[Jim Grimsby]

Hi try a copy of the ferm ware dectalk 4.2b it does not need this file.
And you might get further.  
The usa.exe is the core langwige file for the dectalk and was introduced
in 4.2c 


jim grimsby 
msn: jim.grimsby@att.net
email:  jimgrims@pacbell.net
skype: jim.grimsby 

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[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Luke Yelavich
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:46 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.


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On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 08:29:22AM EST, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> Hi all
> I have recently obtained a DECtalk PC2 card, and have successfully set
> it up and used it under Windows 98 with JAWS. I am now attempting to 
> make it work with Speakup under Linux.

I have since been doing some searching on google, and have found a 
couple of other dtload implementations, one of which I have already 
mentioned. I also noticed that one more file gets loaded when the 
DECtalk software loads in DOS. This file is also mentioned in other 
documentation on the web, yet the dec_pc.tgz package does not have this 
file, and it is not mentioned in the config file. The file I am 
referring to is usa.exe

Furthermore, I have noticed that the loader gets further with loading 
the files with the dec_pc.tgz files, than it does with the firmware from

my driver disk.

Through placing some debug messages in the dtload code, I noticed that 
with the firmware in the tarball, the initialization message gets sent, 
but nothing is spoken. Same with speakup, in that the driver and speakup

load fine, volume, pitch, and rate settings are fine, yet nothing gets 
spoken. I am wondering whether this is to do with the usa.exe file 
missing? I tried to add the file from my driver disk, but this causes 
the loader and the system to lock up.

More information as it comes to hand.
- -- 
Luke Yelavich
GPG key: 0xD06320CE 
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Email & MSN: themuso@themuso.com
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Re: Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 03:57:17PM EST, Jim Grimsby wrote:
> Hi try a copy of the ferm ware dectalk 4.2b it does not need this file.
> And you might get further.  
> The usa.exe is the core langwige file for the dectalk and was introduced
> in 4.2c 

Do you know where one may be able to find this version?
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RE: Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.

[Jim Grimsby]

Afraid not 
But if you can find it it should work as the dectalk 4.2b is the same
for both dectalk pc 1 boards and pc2. 

jim grimsby 
msn: jim.grimsby@att.net
email:  jimgrims@pacbell.net
skype: jim.grimsby 

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[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Luke Yelavich
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Subject: Re: Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.


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On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 03:57:17PM EST, Jim Grimsby wrote:
> Hi try a copy of the ferm ware dectalk 4.2b it does not need this 
> file. And you might get further.
> The usa.exe is the core langwige file for the dectalk and was
introduced
> in 4.2c 

Do you know where one may be able to find this version?
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Re: Problems attempting to set up Speakup with a DECtalk PC2.

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Sat, Jan 07, 2006 at 03:45:41PM EST, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> Furthermore, I have noticed that the loader gets further with loading 
> the files with the dec_pc.tgz files, than it does with the firmware from 
> my driver disk.

Just tried the firmware shipped with speakup from a cold boot, and it 
doesn't get nearly as far. It only attempts to load the kernel, then 
exists printing a status -3 message, (I think -3 is correct.) So it is 
not always working.
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