audio players

audio players

[Eric Kosten]

I have been on the list mostly listening concerning the subject of audio
players.  Now that I finally got the sound working, I need to know where I
can get my hands on players that will play real audio, wmv, and other
streaming net media.  I have heard the discussion on trplayer and mplayer,
but I really want to know if those players will do what I want.  Links will
help and also if anyone knows where debian packages can be downloaded.  I
have tried trplayer using apt but have not had luck.
Eric

Re: audio players

[Lorenzo Taylor]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

This is the line in my /etc/apt/sources.list that gives me mplayer:

deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main

Then you can

apt-get install mplayer w32codecs

and you're good to go.

Lorenzo
- -- 
"We decided that we should evaluate the Microsoft offerings first. Once we
realised what a powerful set of tools they were, it became self-evident this was
the right way to go down."

Microsoft: the right way to go down
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFCYu+0G9IpekrhBfIRArZoAKCFd6gunJ15M1SXVLcWNuNJafyhxACguAwf
SiGCFIS4kbjDcaTjX0CwI3Q=
=XDpj
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Re: audio players

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Lorenzo,
Your suggestion did not work for me. The package seems to depend on 
other things from "unstable" and apt-get is reluctant to install the 
dependencies.

I compiled the 1.0pre7 source on this Debian system, but lots of things 
failed to be discovered automatically in ./configure. Someone on the 
mplayer-users list suggested I may not have installed all -dev-packages. 
How would one do that? Is there a "wholesale" method, or must it be done 
one by one, and if so, where to begin?

Thanks.

Chuck



-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (63% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: audio players

[Lorenzo Taylor]

Are you running testing?  If so, then the line you add to /etc/apt/sources.list
would be:

deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main

The line I gave was an exact  copy of mine, because I am running unstable.  If
you run testing, you will want to modify it as above or it will complain.

HTH,
Lorenzo
-- 
"We decided that we should evaluate the Microsoft offerings first. Once we
realised what a powerful set of tools they were, it became self-evident this was
the right way to go down."

Microsoft: the right way to go down

Re: audio players

[Charles Hallenbeck]

That did it. Many thanks.

Seems like MPlayer is a virtual package and I had to pick from a list of 
versions. My processor is a K7 class, and I chose K6 since there was no 
package specifically for a K7. Will that be a problem? It seems to have 
been compiled from CVS, judging from the version number. Cool.

Chuck.


On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:

> Are you running testing?  If so, then the line you add to /etc/apt/sources.list
> would be:
>
> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
>
> The line I gave was an exact  copy of mine, because I am running unstable.  If
> you run testing, you will want to modify it as above or it will complain.
>
> HTH,
> Lorenzo
>

-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (67% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: audio players

[Sean McMahon]

You probably wanted the mplayer-nogui because the others may include the gui
which you don't want.  I'm not sure about that one exactly.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: audio players


> That did it. Many thanks.
>
> Seems like MPlayer is a virtual package and I had to pick from a list of
> versions. My processor is a K7 class, and I chose K6 since there was no
> package specifically for a K7. Will that be a problem? It seems to have
> been compiled from CVS, judging from the version number. Cool.
>
> Chuck.
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:
>
> > Are you running testing?  If so, then the line you add to
/etc/apt/sources.list
> > would be:
> >
> > deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
> >
> > The line I gave was an exact  copy of mine, because I am running unstable.
If
> > you run testing, you will want to modify it as above or it will complain.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Lorenzo
> >
>
> -- 
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (67% of Full)
> "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: audio players

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Lorenzo,

Seems like the available mplayer-k6 I installed supports only the older 
"alsa9" audio output. It seems like it is at least six months old, prior 
to 1.0-pre6, so I am removing it and will roll my own for a while 
longer, until I can figure out why my alsa environment is being ignored.

It does seem like updating my codecs was a big step forward though.

Chuck




-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (67% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: audio players

[Lorenzo Taylor]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

This is the version of my mplayer:

MPlayer dev-CVS--3.3.5 (C) 2000-2005 MPlayer Team

And it recognizes my alsa with no trouble.  Be your you have a line like:

ao=alsa         # To specify default audio driver (see -ao help for
                     # list)

in your /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf.

This works with the alsa in 2.6.11.

HTH,
Lorenzo
- -- 
"We decided that we should evaluate the Microsoft offerings first. Once we
realised what a powerful set of tools they were, it became self-evident this was
the right way to go down."

Microsoft: the right way to go down
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFCY5DjG9IpekrhBfIRAg2wAJ9cXnh/Il+ybZdyn5KNADXF3QplUACfUT4k
oJcIPf2FmCSQD6aHfWr5IFg=
=gY0w
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Re: audio players

[Charles Hallenbeck]

What does your mplayer show when you do:

mplayer -ao help

When I retrieve mplayer-k6 with apt-get, mine shows only alsa9, not 
alsa. I did not try specifying alsa9 in my mplayer.conf file, I dropped 
back to oss instead.



On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> This is the version of my mplayer:
>
> MPlayer dev-CVS--3.3.5 (C) 2000-2005 MPlayer Team
>
> And it recognizes my alsa with no trouble.  Be your you have a line like:
>
> ao=alsa         # To specify default audio driver (see -ao help for
>                     # list)
>
> in your /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf.
>
> This works with the alsa in 2.6.11.
>
> HTH,
> Lorenzo
> - --
> "We decided that we should evaluate the Microsoft offerings first. Once we
> realised what a powerful set of tools they were, it became self-evident this was
> the right way to go down."
>
> Microsoft: the right way to go down
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux)
>
> iD8DBQFCY5DjG9IpekrhBfIRAg2wAJ9cXnh/Il+ybZdyn5KNADXF3QplUACfUT4k
> oJcIPf2FmCSQD6aHfWr5IFg=
> =gY0w
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (67% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: audio players

[Lorenzo Taylor]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

$ mplayer -ao help

<snip>
Available audio output drivers:
        mpegpes DVB audio output
        oss     OSS/ioctl audio output
        alsa    ALSA-0.9.x-1.x audio output
        arts    aRts audio output
        esd     EsounD audio output
        jack    JACK audio output
        nas     NAS audio output
        sdl     SDLlib audio output
        null    Null audio output
        pcm     RAW PCM/WAVE file writer audio output

There it is.  It looks like the version in testing may be different from
unstable.  Mine has no "alsa9"  It only has an "alsa" which covers all alsa
versions.  If you have an "alsa9" then you probably have an earlier version than
I do in unstable.

Lorenzo
- -- 
"We decided that we should evaluate the Microsoft offerings first. Once we
realised what a powerful set of tools they were, it became self-evident this was
the right way to go down."

Microsoft: the right way to go down
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFCZBwlG9IpekrhBfIRAj4fAJ44rh0O6XvzLqb4qGkBu+tPkI8R0wCgsf5M
izMarwBmC37J6xTvLTHv9FY=
=hzVE
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Re: audio players

[Charles Hallenbeck]

It seems like the package "mplayer" is a virtual package in "testing", 
and the different instances of it were compiled differently. My first 
effort was with "mplayer-k6" which offered alsa9 and not plain alsa, but 
later I removed it and installed "mplayer-nogui" which looks like yours, 
except it is 1.0-pre6 and not pre7.

I am too new to Debian to go with stable, or maybe I am just too 
chicken! <smile> so I'll be patient for a while.


On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> $ mplayer -ao help
>
> <snip>
> Available audio output drivers:
>        mpegpes DVB audio output
>        oss     OSS/ioctl audio output
>        alsa    ALSA-0.9.x-1.x audio output
>        arts    aRts audio output
>        esd     EsounD audio output
>        jack    JACK audio output
>        nas     NAS audio output
>        sdl     SDLlib audio output
>        null    Null audio output
>        pcm     RAW PCM/WAVE file writer audio output
>
> There it is.  It looks like the version in testing may be different from
> unstable.  Mine has no "alsa9"  It only has an "alsa" which covers all alsa
> versions.  If you have an "alsa9" then you probably have an earlier version than
> I do in unstable.
>
> Lorenzo
> - --
> "We decided that we should evaluate the Microsoft offerings first. Once we
> realised what a powerful set of tools they were, it became self-evident this was
> the right way to go down."
>
> Microsoft: the right way to go down
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux)
>
> iD8DBQFCZBwlG9IpekrhBfIRAj4fAJ44rh0O6XvzLqb4qGkBu+tPkI8R0wCgsf5M
> izMarwBmC37J6xTvLTHv9FY=
> =hzVE
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (71% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: audio players

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Here is what apt-show-versions tells me about my mplayer package, 
mplayer-nogui:

mplayer-nogui/testing uptodate 1:1.0-pre6cvs20050409-0sarge0.1

Seems like the latest version is "testing" is 1.0-pre6 from CVS, from 
April 9.  I think I will just wait for 1.0-pre7 to arrive in "testing".

Chuck


-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: audio players

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.
Since this isn' an official Debian package, the normal policy doesn't
apply.  I believe the version you see is the latest from the mplayer site.

If this were an official Debian package, then you wouldn't have to add
an unofficial Debian repository to your sources.list to get it.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 01:11:39PM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> Here is what apt-show-versions tells me about my mplayer package, 
> mplayer-nogui:
> 
> mplayer-nogui/testing uptodate 1:1.0-pre6cvs20050409-0sarge0.1
> 
> Seems like the latest version is "testing" is 1.0-pre6 from CVS, from 
> April 9.  I think I will just wait for 1.0-pre7 to arrive in "testing".
> 

Re: audio players

[Charles Hallenbeck]

On the matter of streams which trplayer has handled (may he rest in 
peace) but which mplayer does not, here is one:

pnm://audio1.wksu.org:7070/encoder/wksu.rm

If that link works for someone, I would sure like to know about it.

Chuck


-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (67% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: audio players

[Lorenzo Taylor]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Hmm.  It looks like the server is detecting mplayer and going crazy because it
isn't specifically realone player.  It doesn't look like it was even able to
access the stream.  The server wouldn't let it through.  Not sure how trplayer
got in, but if we knew, we could let the mplayer developers know.

Lorenzo
- -- 
"We decided that we should evaluate the Microsoft offerings first. Once we
realised what a powerful set of tools they were, it became self-evident this was
the right way to go down."

Microsoft: the right way to go down
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFCY5IAG9IpekrhBfIRAkE8AKC9zaRThC5LJADITgEWxYpcvTsydACfU0h5
LV5/Ih911RgijLJ9Yuq4SXU=
=ghSf
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Re: audio players

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

Here's how I built mplayer from source.
I ran the script in the debian subdir of the mplay source instead of
just running ./configure.  This script told me the packages needed to be
installed when it couldn't find things.
In case it doesn't, install the apt-file package.  You will need to
run

apt-file update 

before it will be useful.

After that, when the configure process doesn't find something, use 
apt-file search filename

to find the package containing the file.  I like using the script
instead of getting someone's pre-built package because I ended up with a
mplayer Debian package built specific to my system.  For example, it is 
built for my AMD cpu instead of auto detecting the cpu each time it starts.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 07:40:55PM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> Lorenzo,
> Your suggestion did not work for me. The package seems to depend on 
> other things from "unstable" and apt-get is reluctant to install the 
> dependencies.
> 
> I compiled the 1.0pre7 source on this Debian system, but lots of things 
> failed to be discovered automatically in ./configure. Someone on the 
> mplayer-users list suggested I may not have installed all -dev-packages. 
> How would one do that? Is there a "wholesale" method, or must it be done 
> one by one, and if so, where to begin?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (63% of Full)
> "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: audio players

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi Kenny,

When I tried the "fakroot" shortcut, I had a missing component there 
too, with no clue how to find it. The script stopped with a message 
about "dh_testdir" not being found. I agree with you about the merits of 
local compiling, but the apt-get convenience is compelling. I have 
evidently overlooked some critical -dev files and have to figure out 
what.

Chuck


On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Kenny Hitt wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Here's how I built mplayer from source.
> I ran the script in the debian subdir of the mplay source instead of
> just running ./configure.  This script told me the packages needed to be
> installed when it couldn't find things.
> In case it doesn't, install the apt-file package.  You will need to
> run
>
> apt-file update
>
> before it will be useful.
>
> After that, when the configure process doesn't find something, use
> apt-file search filename
>
> to find the package containing the file.  I like using the script
> instead of getting someone's pre-built package because I ended up with a
> mplayer Debian package built specific to my system.  For example, it is
> built for my AMD cpu instead of auto detecting the cpu each time it starts.
>
> Hope this helps.
>          Kenny

-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (66% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: audio players

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

When I run

apt-file search dh_testdir

I get the following:

debhelper: usr/bin/dh_testdir

Running

apt-get install debhelper

will fix the problem.

I use Debian's packages as much as possible, but if there isn't an
official package, I like to make sure the program I build is a local
Debian package and configured closest for my system.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 05:16:30AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> Hi Kenny,
> 
> When I tried the "fakroot" shortcut, I had a missing component there 
> too, with no clue how to find it. The script stopped with a message 
> about "dh_testdir" not being found. I agree with you about the merits of 
> local compiling, but the apt-get convenience is compelling. I have 
> evidently overlooked some critical -dev files and have to figure out 
> what.
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> 
> >Hi.
> >
> >Here's how I built mplayer from source.
> >I ran the script in the debian subdir of the mplay source instead of
> >just running ./configure.  This script told me the packages needed to be
> >installed when it couldn't find things.
> >In case it doesn't, install the apt-file package.  You will need to
> >run
> >
> >apt-file update
> >
> >before it will be useful.
> >
> >After that, when the configure process doesn't find something, use
> >apt-file search filename
> >
> >to find the package containing the file.  I like using the script
> >instead of getting someone's pre-built package because I ended up with a
> >mplayer Debian package built specific to my system.  For example, it is
> >built for my AMD cpu instead of auto detecting the cpu each time it starts.
> >
> >Hope this helps.
> >         Kenny
> 
> -- 
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (66% of Full)
> "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: audio players

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Okay, I got farther. With debhelper installed, the configuration 
proceeds until it needs png support, then dies and asks me to install 
libpng and libpng_dev, but apt-get cannot find libpng, even after doing 
an update.

Question: Should I have multiple entries in my source.list? Or are they 
mostly mirrors? At present I have mirrors.kernel.org, ftp.us.debian.org, 
and http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/.

Would it help to add other sources?



On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Kenny Hitt wrote:

> Hi.
>
> When I run
>
> apt-file search dh_testdir
>
> I get the following:
>
> debhelper: usr/bin/dh_testdir
>
> Running
>
> apt-get install debhelper
>
> will fix the problem.
>
> I use Debian's packages as much as possible, but if there isn't an
> official package, I like to make sure the program I build is a local
> Debian package and configured closest for my system.
>
> Hope this helps.
>          Kenny
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 05:16:30AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>> Hi Kenny,
>>
>> When I tried the "fakroot" shortcut, I had a missing component there
>> too, with no clue how to find it. The script stopped with a message
>> about "dh_testdir" not being found. I agree with you about the merits of
>> local compiling, but the apt-get convenience is compelling. I have
>> evidently overlooked some critical -dev files and have to figure out
>> what.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Kenny Hitt wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> Here's how I built mplayer from source.
>>> I ran the script in the debian subdir of the mplay source instead of
>>> just running ./configure.  This script told me the packages needed to be
>>> installed when it couldn't find things.
>>> In case it doesn't, install the apt-file package.  You will need to
>>> run
>>>
>>> apt-file update
>>>
>>> before it will be useful.
>>>
>>> After that, when the configure process doesn't find something, use
>>> apt-file search filename
>>>
>>> to find the package containing the file.  I like using the script
>>> instead of getting someone's pre-built package because I ended up with a
>>> mplayer Debian package built specific to my system.  For example, it is
>>> built for my AMD cpu instead of auto detecting the cpu each time it starts.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>         Kenny
>>
>> --
>> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (66% of Full)
>> "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
>> Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (68% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: audio players

[Kenny Hitt]

hi.

In cases like this, you want to use apt-cache to see what version of
libpng-dev is available.

apt-cache search libpng-dev

I'm running unstable, so the following line will probably be different
for you.

libpng12-dev - PNG library - development

Usually, addibional sources won't help since they are mirrors.  The only
time you want to add entries is if you want to get packages not in the
Debian archive.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 08:14:41AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> Okay, I got farther. With debhelper installed, the configuration 
> proceeds until it needs png support, then dies and asks me to install 
> libpng and libpng_dev, but apt-get cannot find libpng, even after doing 
> an update.
> 
> Question: Should I have multiple entries in my source.list? Or are they 
> mostly mirrors? At present I have mirrors.kernel.org, ftp.us.debian.org, 
> and http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/.
> 
> Would it help to add other sources?

Re: audio players

[Kenny Hitt]

Oops, can't type.  Should be additional sources.

After the apt-cache results, I would apt-get install libpng12-dev to
install the package.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny

On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 07:27:18AM -0500, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> hi.
> 
> In cases like this, you want to use apt-cache to see what version of
> libpng-dev is available.
> 
> apt-cache search libpng-dev
> 
> I'm running unstable, so the following line will probably be different
> for you.
> 
> libpng12-dev - PNG library - development
> 
> Usually, addibional sources won't help since they are mirrors.  The only
> time you want to add entries is if you want to get packages not in the
> Debian archive.
> 
> Hope this helps.
>           Kenny
> 	  
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 08:14:41AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > Okay, I got farther. With debhelper installed, the configuration 
> > proceeds until it needs png support, then dies and asks me to install 
> > libpng and libpng_dev, but apt-get cannot find libpng, even after doing 
> > an update.
> > 
> > Question: Should I have multiple entries in my source.list? Or are they 
> > mostly mirrors? At present I have mirrors.kernel.org, ftp.us.debian.org, 
> > and http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/.
> > 
> > Would it help to add other sources?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: audio players

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Yes, it helps. Thanks for the examples of how to use those package 
tools. I am beginning to get the picture.


On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Kenny Hitt wrote:

> Oops, can't type.  Should be additional sources.
>
> After the apt-cache results, I would apt-get install libpng12-dev to
> install the package.
>
> Hope this helps.
>          Kenny
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 07:27:18AM -0500, Kenny Hitt wrote:
>> hi.
>>
>> In cases like this, you want to use apt-cache to see what version of
>> libpng-dev is available.
>>
>> apt-cache search libpng-dev
>>
>> I'm running unstable, so the following line will probably be different
>> for you.
>>
>> libpng12-dev - PNG library - development
>>
>> Usually, addibional sources won't help since they are mirrors.  The only
>> time you want to add entries is if you want to get packages not in the
>> Debian archive.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>           Kenny
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 08:14:41AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>>> Okay, I got farther. With debhelper installed, the configuration
>>> proceeds until it needs png support, then dies and asks me to install
>>> libpng and libpng_dev, but apt-get cannot find libpng, even after doing
>>> an update.
>>>
>>> Question: Should I have multiple entries in my source.list? Or are they
>>> mostly mirrors? At present I have mirrors.kernel.org, ftp.us.debian.org,
>>> and http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/.
>>>
>>> Would it help to add other sources?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (68% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

RE: audio players

[jim grimsby]

Hi, 
You should also make sure you have apt-show-versions installed.  To do
this do this.
Apt-get install apt-show-versions 
Now when you want to know what version of a program you have installed
you can then 
Type apt-show-versions package name.  
If you do not have it installed it will report that package x is not
installed.  Replace package name in the above example with the name of
the package you are looking for.  
Also once you do apt-cache search package name 
And you find the package you are interested  in you can type apt-cache
show package name to get more information about it.  
Hth 
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:27 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: audio players


hi.

In cases like this, you want to use apt-cache to see what version of
libpng-dev is available.

apt-cache search libpng-dev

I'm running unstable, so the following line will probably be different
for you.

libpng12-dev - PNG library - development

Usually, addibional sources won't help since they are mirrors.  The only
time you want to add entries is if you want to get packages not in the
Debian archive.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 08:14:41AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> Okay, I got farther. With debhelper installed, the configuration
> proceeds until it needs png support, then dies and asks me to install 
> libpng and libpng_dev, but apt-get cannot find libpng, even after
doing 
> an update.
> 
> Question: Should I have multiple entries in my source.list? Or are 
> they
> mostly mirrors? At present I have mirrors.kernel.org,
ftp.us.debian.org, 
> and http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/.
> 
> Would it help to add other sources?

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: audio players

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Thanks, Jim. I am gradually acquiring a nice set of package tools.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, jim grimsby wrote:

> Hi,
> You should also make sure you have apt-show-versions installed.  To do
> this do this.
> Apt-get install apt-show-versions
> Now when you want to know what version of a program you have installed
> you can then
> Type apt-show-versions package name.
> If you do not have it installed it will report that package x is not
> installed.  Replace package name in the above example with the name of
> the package you are looking for.
> Also once you do apt-cache search package name
> And you find the package you are interested  in you can type apt-cache
> show package name to get more information about it.
> Hth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:27 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: audio players
>
>
> hi.
>
> In cases like this, you want to use apt-cache to see what version of
> libpng-dev is available.
>
> apt-cache search libpng-dev
>
> I'm running unstable, so the following line will probably be different
> for you.
>
> libpng12-dev - PNG library - development
>
> Usually, addibional sources won't help since they are mirrors.  The only
> time you want to add entries is if you want to get packages not in the
> Debian archive.
>
> Hope this helps.
>          Kenny
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 08:14:41AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>> Okay, I got farther. With debhelper installed, the configuration
>> proceeds until it needs png support, then dies and asks me to install
>> libpng and libpng_dev, but apt-get cannot find libpng, even after
> doing
>> an update.
>>
>> Question: Should I have multiple entries in my source.list? Or are
>> they
>> mostly mirrors? At present I have mirrors.kernel.org,
> ftp.us.debian.org,
>> and http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/.
>>
>> Would it help to add other sources?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: audio players

[Kenny Hitt]

hi.  what advantage does this program have over just typing

apt-cache show package

and

dpkg --status package

          Kenny
	  
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 09:40:41AM -0700, jim grimsby wrote:
> Hi, 
> You should also make sure you have apt-show-versions installed.  To do
> this do this.
> Apt-get install apt-show-versions 
> Now when you want to know what version of a program you have installed
> you can then 
> Type apt-show-versions package name.  
> If you do not have it installed it will report that package x is not
> installed.  Replace package name in the above example with the name of

RE: audio players

[jim grimsby]

None that I know of.  The manual for apt says to use this one so it is
the one I use. 
Apt-show-versions can show you every package installed on your system by
just typing the command.  
Apt-show-versions 
I like seeing all my info screen full by screen full so I type
apt-show-versions | more 
Of course you could use aptitude to find out the same thing.  


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:15 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: audio players


hi.  what advantage does this program have over just typing

apt-cache show package

and

dpkg --status package

          Kenny
	  
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 09:40:41AM -0700, jim grimsby wrote:
> Hi,
> You should also make sure you have apt-show-versions installed.  To do
> this do this.
> Apt-get install apt-show-versions 
> Now when you want to know what version of a program you have installed
> you can then 
> Type apt-show-versions package name.  
> If you do not have it installed it will report that package x is not
> installed.  Replace package name in the above example with the name of

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: audio players

[jim grimsby]

Try apt-cache search package name replace package name with the name of
the package you are looking for.  
Hth 

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Charles Hallenbeck
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:15 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: audio players


Okay, I got farther. With debhelper installed, the configuration 
proceeds until it needs png support, then dies and asks me to install 
libpng and libpng_dev, but apt-get cannot find libpng, even after doing 
an update.

Question: Should I have multiple entries in my source.list? Or are they 
mostly mirrors? At present I have mirrors.kernel.org, ftp.us.debian.org,

and http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/.

Would it help to add other sources?



On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Kenny Hitt wrote:

> Hi.
>
> When I run
>
> apt-file search dh_testdir
>
> I get the following:
>
> debhelper: usr/bin/dh_testdir
>
> Running
>
> apt-get install debhelper
>
> will fix the problem.
>
> I use Debian's packages as much as possible, but if there isn't an 
> official package, I like to make sure the program I build is a local 
> Debian package and configured closest for my system.
>
> Hope this helps.
>          Kenny
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 05:16:30AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>> Hi Kenny,
>>
>> When I tried the "fakroot" shortcut, I had a missing component there 
>> too, with no clue how to find it. The script stopped with a message 
>> about "dh_testdir" not being found. I agree with you about the merits

>> of local compiling, but the apt-get convenience is compelling. I have

>> evidently overlooked some critical -dev files and have to figure out 
>> what.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Kenny Hitt wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> Here's how I built mplayer from source.
>>> I ran the script in the debian subdir of the mplay source instead of

>>> just running ./configure.  This script told me the packages needed 
>>> to be installed when it couldn't find things. In case it doesn't, 
>>> install the apt-file package.  You will need to run
>>>
>>> apt-file update
>>>
>>> before it will be useful.
>>>
>>> After that, when the configure process doesn't find something, use 
>>> apt-file search filename
>>>
>>> to find the package containing the file.  I like using the script 
>>> instead of getting someone's pre-built package because I ended up 
>>> with a mplayer Debian package built specific to my system.  For 
>>> example, it is built for my AMD cpu instead of auto detecting the 
>>> cpu each time it starts.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>         Kenny
>>
>> --
>> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (66% of Full)
>> "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo 
>> Emerson Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca 
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (68% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: audio players

[Sean McMahon]

You should also have security.debian.org
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: audio players


> Okay, I got farther. With debhelper installed, the configuration
> proceeds until it needs png support, then dies and asks me to install
> libpng and libpng_dev, but apt-get cannot find libpng, even after doing
> an update.
>
> Question: Should I have multiple entries in my source.list? Or are they
> mostly mirrors? At present I have mirrors.kernel.org, ftp.us.debian.org,
> and http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/.
>
> Would it help to add other sources?
>
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Kenny Hitt wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > When I run
> >
> > apt-file search dh_testdir
> >
> > I get the following:
> >
> > debhelper: usr/bin/dh_testdir
> >
> > Running
> >
> > apt-get install debhelper
> >
> > will fix the problem.
> >
> > I use Debian's packages as much as possible, but if there isn't an
> > official package, I like to make sure the program I build is a local
> > Debian package and configured closest for my system.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >          Kenny
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 05:16:30AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> >> Hi Kenny,
> >>
> >> When I tried the "fakroot" shortcut, I had a missing component there
> >> too, with no clue how to find it. The script stopped with a message
> >> about "dh_testdir" not being found. I agree with you about the merits of
> >> local compiling, but the apt-get convenience is compelling. I have
> >> evidently overlooked some critical -dev files and have to figure out
> >> what.
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi.
> >>>
> >>> Here's how I built mplayer from source.
> >>> I ran the script in the debian subdir of the mplay source instead of
> >>> just running ./configure.  This script told me the packages needed to be
> >>> installed when it couldn't find things.
> >>> In case it doesn't, install the apt-file package.  You will need to
> >>> run
> >>>
> >>> apt-file update
> >>>
> >>> before it will be useful.
> >>>
> >>> After that, when the configure process doesn't find something, use
> >>> apt-file search filename
> >>>
> >>> to find the package containing the file.  I like using the script
> >>> instead of getting someone's pre-built package because I ended up with a
> >>> mplayer Debian package built specific to my system.  For example, it is
> >>> built for my AMD cpu instead of auto detecting the cpu each time it
starts.
> >>>
> >>> Hope this helps.
> >>>         Kenny
> >>
> >> --
> >> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (66% of Full)
> >> "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> >> Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> -- 
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (68% of Full)
> "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
> Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: audio players

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Yes, I forgot to mention that one.


On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Sean McMahon wrote:

> You should also have security.debian.org
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:14 AM
> Subject: Re: audio players
>
>
>> Okay, I got farther. With debhelper installed, the configuration
>> proceeds until it needs png support, then dies and asks me to install
>> libpng and libpng_dev, but apt-get cannot find libpng, even after doing
>> an update.
>>
>> Question: Should I have multiple entries in my source.list? Or are they
>> mostly mirrors? At present I have mirrors.kernel.org, ftp.us.debian.org,
>> and http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/.
>>
>> Would it help to add other sources?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Kenny Hitt wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> When I run
>>>
>>> apt-file search dh_testdir
>>>
>>> I get the following:
>>>
>>> debhelper: usr/bin/dh_testdir
>>>
>>> Running
>>>
>>> apt-get install debhelper
>>>
>>> will fix the problem.
>>>
>>> I use Debian's packages as much as possible, but if there isn't an
>>> official package, I like to make sure the program I build is a local
>>> Debian package and configured closest for my system.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>          Kenny
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 05:16:30AM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
>>>> Hi Kenny,
>>>>
>>>> When I tried the "fakroot" shortcut, I had a missing component there
>>>> too, with no clue how to find it. The script stopped with a message
>>>> about "dh_testdir" not being found. I agree with you about the merits of
>>>> local compiling, but the apt-get convenience is compelling. I have
>>>> evidently overlooked some critical -dev files and have to figure out
>>>> what.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Kenny Hitt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's how I built mplayer from source.
>>>>> I ran the script in the debian subdir of the mplay source instead of
>>>>> just running ./configure.  This script told me the packages needed to be
>>>>> installed when it couldn't find things.
>>>>> In case it doesn't, install the apt-file package.  You will need to
>>>>> run
>>>>>
>>>>> apt-file update
>>>>>
>>>>> before it will be useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> After that, when the configure process doesn't find something, use
>>>>> apt-file search filename
>>>>>
>>>>> to find the package containing the file.  I like using the script
>>>>> instead of getting someone's pre-built package because I ended up with a
>>>>> mplayer Debian package built specific to my system.  For example, it is
>>>>> built for my AMD cpu instead of auto detecting the cpu each time it
> starts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>         Kenny
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (66% of Full)
>>>> "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
>>>> Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
>> --
>> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (68% of Full)
>> "Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
>> Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (71% of Full)
"Things are in the saddle, and they ride mankind." Ralph Waldo Emerson
Visit my download site at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh

Re: audio players

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi.

Since Sarge is still testing, security.debian.org isn't likely to be
much use.  They're working on getting the security structure in place,
but it isn't working yet.  For now, security updates only happen in
stable.
Of course, the security fixes are uploaded to unstable and will probably
move to testing after the necessary amount of time.

Hope this helps.
          Kenny
	  
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 06:52:10PM -0400, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> Yes, I forgot to mention that one.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Sean McMahon wrote:
> 
> >You should also have security.debian.org