* FreedomBox and the Mozilla Public License
@ Matt Campbell
` Janina Sajka
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From: Matt Campbell @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
I have been watching the thread about FreedomBox's supposed violation of
the Mozilla Public License, and I wish to publicly set the record straight.
Section 3.2 of the MPL does clearly say that any modifications to
covered code must be released as source code. However, we did not need
to make any modifications to Mozilla to add speech output or voice
commands. As Aaron Leventhal said, we were able to do it by writing a
new component that uses Mozilla's existing application programming
interfaces (API's). Therefore, we are not obligated to release the code
that adds speech output and voice commands.
While I would prefer to release our ocde under an open-source license, I
understand and respect Serotek's reasons for not doing so. The company
needs to protect its intellectual proprety. I think we've made a good
compromise by making the software available at no cost to the user.
Furthermore, uninformed public statements such as those made about the
alleged license violation only tarnish the reputation of a company
that's trying to do good for the community while still doing well.
For more information about the Mozilla Public License, read the FAQ,
which is available at:
http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/FAQ.html
If you have further questions or concerns, please contact me privately;
I don't believe this discussion is appropriate for the Speakup list.
Thank you.
--
Matt Campbell
Lead Programmer
Serotek Corporation
www.freedombox.info
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FreedomBox and the Mozilla Public License Matt Campbell
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Matt Campbell
` FreedomBox and the Mozilla Public License Alex Snow
` Ann Parsons
` Tom and Esther Ward
2 siblings, 2 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Matt Campbell writes:
> If you have further questions or concerns, please contact me privately;
> I don't believe this discussion is appropriate for the Speakup list.
> Thank you.
No, Matt, it's perfectly appropriate. Perhaps the people questioning whether the license is violated are wrong, perhaps they're not. But, there's every reason to air it in public.
At least, this is my view. Clearly, you have just stated a different view, but you didn't defend it. If you insist this is inappropriate for the Speakup list, I think you need to explain yourself.
>
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> Matt Campbell
> Lead Programmer
> Serotek Corporation
> www.freedombox.info
>
>
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Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
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` Janina Sajka
@ ` Matt Campbell
` Trevor Astrope
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` FreedomBox and the Mozilla Public License Alex Snow
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From: Matt Campbell @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Janina Sajka wrote:
>At least, this is my view. Clearly, you have just stated a different view, but you didn't defend it. If you insist this is inappropriate for the Speakup list, I think you need to explain yourself.
>
>
I said that only because I didn't want yet another off-topic thread to
drag on for too long on the Speakup list. Some people, myself included,
have left the list in the past due to an excess off-topic discussions.
I was only trying to be considerate.
Matt
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` Matt Campbell
@ ` Trevor Astrope
` topics and list traffic, was: " Gregory Nowak
` Doug Sutherland
` Janina Sajka
` FreedomBox ot? Cheryl Homiak
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From: Trevor Astrope @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Matt Campbell wrote:
> I said that only because I didn't want yet another off-topic thread to
> drag on for too long on the Speakup list. Some people, myself included,
> have left the list in the past due to an excess off-topic discussions.
> I was only trying to be considerate.
Thanks. I appreciate it. This is by far the noisiest list I've ever been
on.
Trevor
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` Trevor Astrope
@ ` Gregory Nowak
` Alex Snow
` Doug Sutherland
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From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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If you think this is bad, try joining the braillenote list for a day or
2. The so-called off-topic discussions, clutter, and traffic here are
nothing compared to what got posted on the braillenote list when I was
still on it a couple of years ago. I'm told by people I still know to
be on that list that this hasn't changed since I unsubscribed from it.
Oh well, there's another off-topic post for you, lol. Anyway, I just
wanted to point out that this list isn't noisy at all, compared to at
least one other blind list out there, and I wouldn't be surprised to
find out that there are others like it as well.
Greg
On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 08:21:13PM -0400, Trevor Astrope wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Matt Campbell wrote:
> > I said that only because I didn't want yet another off-topic thread to
> > drag on for too long on the Speakup list. Some people, myself included,
> > have left the list in the past due to an excess off-topic discussions.
> > I was only trying to be considerate.
>
> Thanks. I appreciate it. This is by far the noisiest list I've ever been
> on.
>
> Trevor
>
>
>
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To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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another noisy list is the blindy list. if you wanna see real noise
join that during one of it's religion debates. they have been known to
produce 1 to 2 hundred messages an hour.
On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at
08:48:05PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
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> If you think this is bad, try joining the braillenote list for a day or
> 2. The so-called off-topic discussions, clutter, and traffic here are
> nothing compared to what got posted on the braillenote list when I was
> still on it a couple of years ago. I'm told by people I still know to
> be on that list that this hasn't changed since I unsubscribed from it.
>
> Oh well, there's another off-topic post for you, lol. Anyway, I just
> wanted to point out that this list isn't noisy at all, compared to at
> least one other blind list out there, and I wouldn't be surprised to
> find out that there are others like it as well.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 08:21:13PM -0400, Trevor Astrope wrote:
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Matt Campbell wrote:
> > > I said that only because I didn't want yet another off-topic thread to
> > > drag on for too long on the Speakup list. Some people, myself included,
> > > have left the list in the past due to an excess off-topic discussions.
> > > I was only trying to be considerate.
> >
> > Thanks. I appreciate it. This is by far the noisiest list I've ever been
> > on.
> >
> > Trevor
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: FreedomBox and the Mozilla Public License
` Trevor Astrope
` topics and list traffic, was: " Gregory Nowak
@ ` Doug Sutherland
1 sibling, 0 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> noisiest list
It seems to be a "ask anything computer related list" with some focus
on speech tech, and the occasional speakup related post. The thing
that bugs me is when people don't even bother using a search engine
before asking a question.
-- Doug
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* Re: FreedomBox and the Mozilla Public License
` Matt Campbell
` Trevor Astrope
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Ann Parsons
` FreedomBox ot? Cheryl Homiak
2 siblings, 1 reply; 57+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Oh, I can very well understand that desire. Indeed, I've sometimes complained about the discussion of Windows topics on this list. For myself, I've never left the list--but I have certainly ignored it from time to time.
But that's precisely the point. This list has always ranged over many topics. The only real common denominator is accessibility for blind users, defined in the broadest sense so that we can talk about how we do almost anything on computers. It has always been that way here.
This is what leads me to say discussing the Freedom Box software is on topic, as is discussing whether or not it honors the Mozilla license terms. It's always been that way here, and you and I both know it because we've been hear for many years, even if we haven't both been here continuously.
Matt Campbell writes:
> Janina Sajka wrote:
>
> >At least, this is my view. Clearly, you have just stated a different view,
> >but you didn't defend it. If you insist this is inappropriate for the
> >Speakup list, I think you need to explain yourself.
> >
> >
> I said that only because I didn't want yet another off-topic thread to
> drag on for too long on the Speakup list. Some people, myself included,
> have left the list in the past due to an excess off-topic discussions.
> I was only trying to be considerate.
>
> Matt
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
--
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Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
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` Janina Sajka
@ ` Ann Parsons
` Kenny Hitt
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From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi all,
Can anybody tell me how fast the Linux computer needs to be in order
to use the Freedom Box thingy? I'd like to try it, but I don't know
if a Pentium 266 is fast enough.
Ann P.
--
Ann K. Parsons
email: akp@eznet.net
WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.
Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT
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` Ann Parsons
@ ` Kenny Hitt
` Ann Parsons
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From: Kenny Hitt @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi, Ann. I haven't tried the Freedom Box yet. A Pentium 233 can run X,
but it will be slow. After my desktop crashed, Mary Ann and I have
been sharing a P 233 laptop with 60 meg of ram. As you know, she does
everything in the GUI. Browzing with Mozilla works for her, but it is
real slow. I wouldn't want to try running the Freedom Box on such a
slow system. This box is still using Gnome 1.4 and I can't easily
upgrade it any way.
If you have more than 64 meg of ram try it, but be prepared to wait.
Hope this helps.
Kenny
On Sat, Apr 10, 2004 at 07:35:27AM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Can anybody tell me how fast the Linux computer needs to be in order
> to use the Freedom Box thingy? I'd like to try it, but I don't know
> if a Pentium 266 is fast enough.
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email: akp@eznet.net
> WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.
> Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT
>
>
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* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Matt Campbell
` Trevor Astrope
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Cheryl Homiak
` David Poehlman
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From: Cheryl Homiak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
You all were discussing Mozilla/serotech/MPL possibly being offtopic for
the list. I have questions about freedombox itself; since it's new to me,
I don't know whether what I'm getting is normal for the present or I need
to look at my own system for the source of some things I don't think are
right. Is there at this point a specific list for these issues, especially
in conjunction with running on linux? If not, should I be asking my
questions here or writing directly to Matt and/or Serotech? I don't want
to be guilty of cluttering the list but in the several years I've been on
here it seems like not a whole lot is considered offtopic.
Thanks.
--
Cheryl
"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
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From: David Poehlman @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
I'd like to see your questions here.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cheryl Homiak" <chomiak@charter.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: FreedomBox ot?
You all were discussing Mozilla/serotech/MPL possibly being offtopic for
the list. I have questions about freedombox itself; since it's new to me,
I don't know whether what I'm getting is normal for the present or I need
to look at my own system for the source of some things I don't think are
right. Is there at this point a specific list for these issues, especially
in conjunction with running on linux? If not, should I be asking my
questions here or writing directly to Matt and/or Serotech? I don't want
to be guilty of cluttering the list but in the several years I've been on
here it seems like not a whole lot is considered offtopic.
Thanks.
--
Cheryl
"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
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` David Poehlman
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From: Cheryl Homiak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
My main problem is that freedombox is as slow as molasses for me; I mean
several minutes between speech outputs; really, I could take a nap!!!
Which leaves me not knowing what is happening; am I going to hear
something eventually or have I goofed up or been disconnected. Plus the
speech for me is painfully slow word by word, not very intelligible, and
has some kind of distortion; can't explain it; maybe like some of those
old movie soundtracks or something. My machine is 500 megahertz amdK6
processor; I've run gnopernicus and gnome on it some. I don't know if the
beta is just like this or if something on my system is really slowing it
down. My audio on computer and via internet is fine so it shouldn't be an
audio/soundcard issue.
Also, I'm wondering if there is someplace to look for info on working
choices, commands, what the choices in the preferences menu do, etc.
finally, I don't think I've been able to talk to freedombox yet, though
text entry does work, albeit very slowly. I may not have my sblive mike
settings right for that or something.
Any input on these issues would be appreciated.
Thanks.
--
Cheryl
"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
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` Cheryl Homiak
@ ` Tom and Esther Ward
` Cheryl Homiak
` Matt Campbell
` Mike Keithley
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From: Tom and Esther Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi, Cheryl.
I think your problem is do to not having enough processor power and ram. For
example My new Linux box is a 2 GHZ Pentium with 512 of ram and Freedombox
is working fantastic on it. I also noticed a dramatic difference with other
Gnome applications. So processor speed and ram really count with x based
stuff.
I believe I saw somewhere on the site you needed at least 400 MHZ to run
it, but that might be for the Windows version and not the Linux version.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cheryl Homiak" <chomiak@charter.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: FreedomBox ot?
> My main problem is that freedombox is as slow as molasses for me; I mean
> several minutes between speech outputs; really, I could take a nap!!!
> Which leaves me not knowing what is happening; am I going to hear
> something eventually or have I goofed up or been disconnected. Plus the
> speech for me is painfully slow word by word, not very intelligible, and
> has some kind of distortion; can't explain it; maybe like some of those
> old movie soundtracks or something. My machine is 500 megahertz amdK6
> processor; I've run gnopernicus and gnome on it some. I don't know if the
> beta is just like this or if something on my system is really slowing it
> down. My audio on computer and via internet is fine so it shouldn't be an
> audio/soundcard issue.
> Also, I'm wondering if there is someplace to look for info on working
> choices, commands, what the choices in the preferences menu do, etc.
> finally, I don't think I've been able to talk to freedombox yet, though
> text entry does work, albeit very slowly. I may not have my sblive mike
> settings right for that or something.
> Any input on these issues would be appreciated.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> --
> Cheryl
> "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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` Cheryl Homiak
` Tom and Esther Ward
@ ` Matt Campbell
` Buddy Brannan
` Cheryl Homiak
` Mike Keithley
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From: Matt Campbell @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Processor speed does matter, but I'd expect FreedomBox for Linux to work
much better than this on a 500 MHz processor. A few weeks ago I ran it
on an old IBM Aptiva with a 266 MHz K6 processor and 64 MB of RAM, and
it ran much better than what you describe.
Are any other sounds distorted, or is it just DECtalk? For example, is
the "welcome to the FreedomBox Network" sound distorted?
Also, it appears from a message you posted later that you're running a
2.6 kernel. I assume then that you're usind the snd-emu10k1 ALSA
driver; is this correct? Has anyone run FreedomBox under a 2.6 kernel
with better results? Finally, this shouldn't matter much, but what
distribution are you running?
Matt
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@ ` Buddy Brannan
` Cheryl Homiak
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From: Buddy Brannan @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Ugh. OK...I've got my X problem solved (it was a hardware problem--my
ol' Matrox card died, so now I have a shiny new NVidia card with
crappy proprietary drivers--but it works!) But now I'm up against a
different problem; namely, that I can't log into the Freedombox
Network with my ID number and PIN on any computer but Melanie's, and I
only used that computer to see if the thing worked and don't intend to
use her computer regularly because (frankly) I don't like her
computer. She does, though, so that's all that matters, but:
No Freedombox login on my Linux desktop;
No Freedombox login on my laptop in Linux;
No Freedombox login on the same laptop in Windows.
I just get thrown back to the login screen, even though the login and
password are typed correctly. So what gives here?!
I can't very well beta-test this thing if'n I can't use it, can I?!
--
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From: Cheryl Homiak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi Matt.
EVERYTHING is slow and distorted.
and never assume anything; I've tried it with commerical oss from opensound
and the kernel's oss. Alsa gives me fits every time i try to set it up,
though I did have it up with my sblive once. May try it again someday.
--
Cheryl
"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
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` Cheryl Homiak
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From: Matt Campbell @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Well, FreedomBox doesn't require ALSA. I've tested it with the emu10k1
OSS driver that comes with kernel version 2.4.22; I haven't tried a 2.6
kernel yet. And on my 266 MHz machine I used the cs4231 OSS driver that
comes with the kernel.
To narrow down the problem, try the following. First, start usound
manually as explained in the README file. Then, from the freedombox
directory, type the following:
helpers/mplayer -ao usound http://www.freedombox.info/mp3/fb_talk.mp3
This will use the patched version of MPlayer that comes with FreedomBox
to play an MP3 stream from the FreedomBox web site. Let me know if that
audio is distorted.
Matt
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` nick G
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From: Cheryl Homiak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Mplayer crashed. Here is the text of the disaster. by the way, I then
tried running that same url, except for the helpers part of course,
through the mplayer i have installed on my own computer separate from
freedombox, and it came through normal speed and tone and volume, loud and
clear, no distortion.
Text when crashing:
MPlayer 0.92-3.2.3 (C) 2000-2003 MPlayer Team
CPU: Advanced Micro Devices K6-2 (Family: 5, Stepping: 12)
Detected cache-line size is 32 bytes
3DNow supported but disabled
CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 0 SSE2: 0
Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2
Reading config file /usr/local/etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf: No existe el fichero o el directorio
Reading config file /home/chomiak/.mplayer/config
Reading /home/chomiak/.mplayer/codecs.conf: can't open '/home/chomiak/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No existe el fichero o el directorio
Reading /usr/local/etc/mplayer/codecs.conf: can't open '/usr/local/etc/mplayer/codecs.conf': No existe el fichero o el directorio
Using built-in default codecs.conf
font: can't open file: /home/chomiak/.mplayer/font/font.desc
font: can't open file: /usr/local/share/mplayer/font/font.desc
Using usleep() timing
Can't open input config file /home/chomiak/.mplayer/input.conf: No existe el fichero o el directorio
Can't open input config file /usr/local/etc/mplayer/input.conf: No existe el fichero o el directorio
Falling back on default (hardcoded) input config
Playing http://www.freedombox.info/mp3/fb_talk.mp3
Resolving www.freedombox.info ...
Connecting to server www.freedombox.info[69.44.59.14]:80 ...
Cache size set to 320 KBytes
Connected to server: www.freedombox.info
Cache fill: 0,00% (0 bytes)
Cache fill: 7,50% (24576 bytes) Audio file detected.
==========================================================================
Opening audio decoder: [mp3lib] MPEG layer-2, layer-3
MP3lib: init layer2&3 finished, tables done
MPlayer interrupted by signal 4 in module: init_audio_codec
- MPlayer crashed by an 'Illegal Instruction'.
It usually happens when you run it on a CPU different than the one it was
compiled/optimized for.
Verify this!
- MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
Recompile MPlayer with --enable-debug and make a 'gdb' backtrace and
disassembly. For details, see DOCS/bugreports.html#crash.b.
- MPlayer crashed. This shouldn't happen.
It can be a bug in the MPlayer code _or_ in your drivers _or_ in your gcc
version. If you think it's MPlayer's fault, please read DOCS/bugreports.html
and follow the instructions there. We can't and won't help unless you provide
this information when reporting a possible bug.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Matt Campbell
` Cheryl Homiak
@ ` nick G
` FreedomBox ot? sound problem Cheryl Homiak
` FreedomBox ot? Alex Snow
` Janina Sajka
3 siblings, 1 reply; 57+ messages in thread
From: nick G @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hey Matt speaking of Kernels, what's the difference between kernel 2.4 and
2.6?
Thanks,
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Campbell" <mattc@freedombox.cc>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: FreedomBox ot?
> Well, FreedomBox doesn't require ALSA. I've tested it with the emu10k1
> OSS driver that comes with kernel version 2.4.22; I haven't tried a 2.6
> kernel yet. And on my 266 MHz machine I used the cs4231 OSS driver that
> comes with the kernel.
>
> To narrow down the problem, try the following. First, start usound
> manually as explained in the README file. Then, from the freedombox
> directory, type the following:
>
> helpers/mplayer -ao usound http://www.freedombox.info/mp3/fb_talk.mp3
>
> This will use the patched version of MPlayer that comes with FreedomBox
> to play an MP3 stream from the FreedomBox web site. Let me know if that
> audio is distorted.
>
> Matt
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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` nick G
@ ` Cheryl Homiak
` Cheryl Homiak
0 siblings, 1 reply; 57+ messages in thread
From: Cheryl Homiak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Don't know if this is related to freedombox/usound or not, but it appears
to have happened after I installed freedombox and ran usound. I have
kernels with commerical oss and I have kernels with the sblive support
(just under general sound in 2.4 kernels; under oss (deprecated) in 2.6
kernels). the reason I had kernels with both is that sometimes when I
upgrade commercial oss there are temporary glitches (mainly because of
differences of debian from other distros) and I want a backup. well, this
has been working fine; both sound systems have been working fine. Now,
although my commercial oss is still fine, when I switch to a kernel with
built-in sblive and try to run most applications, i get errors about
"/dev/dsp: no such device" and oss not opening. /dev/dsp is indeed there,
along with al the other /dev/dsp devices. I'm in the process now of
modularizing it to see if that will give me any further error messages,
but this is really weird. Could usound and/or freedombox have changed
something or is this totally out-of-the-blue unrelated?
Thanks.
--
Cheryl
"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread* Re: FreedomBox ot? sound problem
` FreedomBox ot? sound problem Cheryl Homiak
@ ` Cheryl Homiak
0 siblings, 0 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Cheryl Homiak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Well, got the same results. when i built sound support into the kernel and
modularized emu10k1, it didn't load itself; I had to load the emu10k1 and
ac97_codec modules. then, as with unmodularized, saytime worked, but most
applications which would be using /dev/dsp as output file, did not work.
I've searched google and haven't found an answer that helps my case. But
at least the commercial oss, which is what I was primarily using anyway,
works fine. I only wanted to doublecheck with the kernel sound support and
a 2.4 kernel 92.4.25) to make sure the problem with freedombox wasn't
related to conflicts with commercial oss. And I also don't like unsolved
mysteries.
--
Cheryl
"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
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* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Matt Campbell
` Cheryl Homiak
` nick G
@ ` Alex Snow
` Janina Sajka
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From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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I've ran x and speach apps on a pentium 133 with 160mb of extremely slow
ram and it worked. it was a little bit laggy but it worked.
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Matt Campbell
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
` FreedomBox ot? Alex Snow
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Doug Sutherland
` Ron Marriage
3 siblings, 2 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Not so fast, Matt.
What are you doing? What's this about you posting helpful advice about a non Speakup related application on the Speakup list. I'm sorry, but I must call you to task. Have you changed your mind about your post the other day calling discussions of the Mozilla license and Freedom Box' obligations off topic? Are you now considering Freedom Box on topic for the Speakup list? Or do you just think the license discussion is off topic but technical, user support type discussion on topic.
Which is it?
I think we deserve to know since you're the one who raised the issue most recently. So, let's finish that conversation. Which is it, Matt?
Matt Campbell writes:
> Well, FreedomBox doesn't require ALSA. I've tested it with the emu10k1
> OSS driver that comes with kernel version 2.4.22; I haven't tried a 2.6
> kernel yet. And on my 266 MHz machine I used the cs4231 OSS driver that
> comes with the kernel.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Doug Sutherland
` Ron Marriage
1 sibling, 0 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Not so fast, Matt.
Matt posted his reply re licensing issues.
It was very clear. Did you not catch that?
They did not make changes to mozilla.
They used the mozilla API.
-- Doug
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Janina Sajka
` Doug Sutherland
@ ` Ron Marriage
` Janina Sajka
` Cheryl Homiak
1 sibling, 2 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Ron Marriage @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
I think his comment wasn't that the Freedom Box was off topic, but that the discussion about the license was incorrect.
Had anyone read the press release from Freedom Box, or read the license info off the Mozilla site they wouldn't have made the mistakes that were being made.
Incorrect information shouldn't be allowed to spread, and that was what was happening.
Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: FreedomBox ot?
> Not so fast, Matt.
>
> What are you doing? What's this about you posting helpful advice about a non Speakup related application on the Speakup list. I'm sorry, but I must call you to task. Have you changed your mind about your post the other day calling discussions of the Mozilla license and Freedom Box' obligations off topic? Are you now considering Freedom Box on topic for the Speakup list? Or do you just think the license discussion is off topic but technical, user support type discussion on topic.
>
> Which is it?
>
> I think we deserve to know since you're the one who raised the issue most recently. So, let's finish that conversation. Which is it, Matt?
>
> Matt Campbell writes:
> > Well, FreedomBox doesn't require ALSA. I've tested it with the emu10k1
> > OSS driver that comes with kernel version 2.4.22; I haven't tried a 2.6
> > kernel yet. And on my 266 MHz machine I used the cs4231 OSS driver that
> > comes with the kernel.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Ron Marriage
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Ann Parsons
` Mike Keithley
` Cheryl Homiak
1 sibling, 2 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
The discussion I remember had to do with how busy this list is and how far ranging the topics disucssed here. So, I'm just asking Matt whether he's decided to go along with the general list ethos and discuss both the technology and the license of Freedom Box, or whether he's being inconsistent with the views he prevously expressed when he said our discussions of the FB license where "inappropriate" and we should take up any further questions with him personally.
I think this is a resonable question since he brought up the issue. I have no problem with Matt offering help on this list to people trying out Freedom Box, in fact I welcome it. But I do think it reasonable to ask people to be consistent in what they say and do.
I'm also not trying to start a flame. I just want to understand what the conclusion is to the issue of what topics are appropriate for the Speakup list as Matt understands that. That's what I'm asking. Is this so unreasonable?
Ron Marriage writes:
> I think his comment wasn't that the Freedom Box was off topic, but that the discussion about the license was incorrect.
> Had anyone read the press release from Freedom Box, or read the license info off the Mozilla site they wouldn't have made the mistakes that were being made.
> Incorrect information shouldn't be allowed to spread, and that was what was happening.
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: FreedomBox ot?
>
>
> > Not so fast, Matt.
> >
> > What are you doing? What's this about you posting helpful advice about a non Speakup related application on the Speakup list. I'm sorry, but I must call you to task. Have you changed your mind about your post the other day calling discussions of the Mozilla license and Freedom Box' obligations off topic? Are you now considering Freedom Box on topic for the Speakup list? Or do you just think the license discussion is off topic but technical, user support type discussion on topic.
> >
> > Which is it?
> >
> > I think we deserve to know since you're the one who raised the issue most recently. So, let's finish that conversation. Which is it, Matt?
> >
> > Matt Campbell writes:
> > > Well, FreedomBox doesn't require ALSA. I've tested it with the emu10k1
> > > OSS driver that comes with kernel version 2.4.22; I haven't tried a 2.6
> > > kernel yet. And on my 266 MHz machine I used the cs4231 OSS driver that
> > > comes with the kernel.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
--
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Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Ann Parsons
` Gregory Nowak
` Mike Keithley
1 sibling, 1 reply; 57+ messages in thread
From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi all,
<smile> Janina, I wrote you a blistering reply to your earlier post,
and now I am glad that I didn't send it. You are missing a part of
the puzzle seemingly. Yesterday afn, Matt came onto the reflector and
spoke with us there. He apologized to Kirk because he thought that
perhaps the Freedom Box was OT for this list. Kirk replied in his
usual layed-back way that he didn't care, that it was OK with him. He
chuckled and said something about Matt's having generated quite a bit
of traffic recently.
I chimed in and said that perhaps it was my fault for posting the
announcement on Speakup in the first place, but I got razzed so badly,
(everyone assuring me that *everything* was my fault), that I
retreated back into my corner smiling and chuckling to myself.
I am happy to report to you and to fill in the missing piece of your
puzzle. Art thou content, my friend?
Ann P.
--
Ann K. Parsons
email: akp@eznet.net
WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.
Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Ann Parsons
@ ` Gregory Nowak
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From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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Hmmm, I haven't been on the reflector for almost 2 years now. Maybe I
should get back on assuming I'm still welcome there (smile), and see
what's what, since it seems just being on this list is
not enough to stay current with the goings on.
Greg
On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 03:16:39PM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> <smile> Janina, I wrote you a blistering reply to your earlier post,
> and now I am glad that I didn't send it. You are missing a part of
> the puzzle seemingly. Yesterday afn, Matt came onto the reflector and
> spoke with us there. He apologized to Kirk because he thought that
> perhaps the Freedom Box was OT for this list. Kirk replied in his
> usual layed-back way that he didn't care, that it was OK with him. He
> chuckled and said something about Matt's having generated quite a bit
> of traffic recently.
>
> I chimed in and said that perhaps it was my fault for posting the
> announcement on Speakup in the first place, but I got razzed so badly,
> (everyone assuring me that *everything* was my fault), that I
> retreated back into my corner smiling and chuckling to myself.
>
> I am happy to report to you and to fill in the missing piece of your
> puzzle. Art thou content, my friend?
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email: akp@eznet.net
> WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.
> Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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>
>
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* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Janina Sajka
` Ann Parsons
@ ` Mike Keithley
` Ann Parsons
` Luke Davis
1 sibling, 2 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Mike Keithley @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Janina Sajka; +Cc: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
I think Linux users are a very small group compared to Window users of
Freedombox. If we can't talk about it here, where else can we? I don't
think it will be discussed in Freedombox's public beta forum--most
everyone there is using Windows.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Mike Keithley
@ ` Ann Parsons
` Luke Davis
1 sibling, 0 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi all,
Not everyone there is using Windows. You read the forum? If not you
should.
Ann P.
--
Ann K. Parsons
email: akp@eznet.net
WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.
Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Mike Keithley
` Ann Parsons
@ ` Luke Davis
` FreedomBox Linux port mailing list Matt Campbell
` FreedomBox ot? Cheryl Homiak
1 sibling, 2 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Luke Davis @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.; +Cc: Janina Sajka
blinux-list, would seem a good place for this particular discussion.
(Not that I particularly care, but it's a good option, to answer your
question as to what would be better)
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Mike Keithley wrote:
> I think Linux users are a very small group compared to Window users of
> Freedombox. If we can't talk about it here, where else can we? I don't
> think it will be discussed in Freedombox's public beta forum--most
> everyone there is using Windows.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread* FreedomBox Linux port mailing list
` Luke Davis
@ ` Matt Campbell
` Getting Speech Started With X and Gnopernicus Richard Wells
` FreedomBox ot? Cheryl Homiak
1 sibling, 1 reply; 57+ messages in thread
From: Matt Campbell @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
I've decided to set up a mailing list for the Linux port of FreedomBox.
I recognize that a wide range of topics are permitted on the Speakup
list, and that's why I decided to post a few FreedomBox related messages
last Saturday. However, I still think that some people would rather not
have the discussion of FreedomBox cluttering their mailboxes. So I've
set up the linux-port@freedombox.info mailing list. To subscribe to
this list, send a blank message to linux-port-subscribe@freedombox.info.
Matt
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread* Getting Speech Started With X and Gnopernicus
` FreedomBox Linux port mailing list Matt Campbell
@ ` Richard Wells
` Tom and Esther Ward
` Alex Snow
0 siblings, 2 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Richard Wells @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
I am sure that this has been covered but I can't for the life of me find
right now. Once Gnopernicus is installed which it is, how to I get Gnome
to use it? Once I start X, what do I do to start Gnopernicus? It seems as
though it has something to do with going to some accessibility menu, but
even my wife couldn't find it even clicking around.
Thanks
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread* Re: Getting Speech Started With X and Gnopernicus
` Getting Speech Started With X and Gnopernicus Richard Wells
@ ` Tom and Esther Ward
` Alex Snow
1 sibling, 0 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Tom and Esther Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi, you can start gnopernicus in two ways.
>From the run dialog.
1. alt+f2 to open the run dialog.
2. Type gnopernicus.
3. Press enter or click on run.
Automatic startup.
The following instructions is how to start gnopernicus automatically on
startup on Mandrake 9.2 or later.
1. alt+f1 to get the Gnome panel menu.
2. Arrow to configuration and press enter.
3. Arrow to Gnome and press enter.
4. Arrow to accessibility and press enter.
5. arrow to assistive technology support, and press enter.
6. Enable assistive technology support, and screen reader, and press
spacebar on close.
7. Log out, and then log back in.
8. You would be setup.
(Note, some distributions place the assistive stuff in gnome panel
menu\settings\accessibility.)
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` Getting Speech Started With X and Gnopernicus Richard Wells
` Tom and Esther Ward
@ ` Alex Snow
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From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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if you have your speach synth installed (festival, viavoice, etc) and
run test-speech from the console and it works after you get x started
hit alt-f2 to open the run dialogue. then type gnopernicus.
gnopernicus should come up talking and you will get a dialogue box
asking if you want to turn on accessibility. say yes and you should be
set.
On
Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 09:43:46AM -0400, Richard Wells wrote:
> I am sure that this has been covered but I can't for the life of me find
> right now. Once Gnopernicus is installed which it is, how to I get Gnome
> to use it? Once I start X, what do I do to start Gnopernicus? It seems as
> though it has something to do with going to some accessibility menu, but
> even my wife couldn't find it even clicking around.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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` Luke Davis
` FreedomBox Linux port mailing list Matt Campbell
@ ` Cheryl Homiak
1 sibling, 0 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Cheryl Homiak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Actually, blinux gets a lot more upset about what's ontopic and what's not
than Speakup does, imho. I actually got a "don't post offtopic" letter
from Hans once even though what I was posting really was about access in
linux, but I think he misunderstood what my question was. I'm very jumpy
about what I post on blinux--no offense to people on both lists as I am
myself.
--
Cheryl
"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread
* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Ron Marriage
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Cheryl Homiak
1 sibling, 0 replies; 57+ messages in thread
From: Cheryl Homiak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
It kind of surprises me that the license isn't included in the install
process anywhere; from listening to the main menu demo, you normally have
to read the license before you are installed. as much as I don't always
like wading through such things, i would think the company would insist we
be confronted with it before installing. Not that we shouldn't be
responsible enough to read it anyway.
--
Cheryl
"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread
* Re: FreedomBox ot?
` Cheryl Homiak
` Tom and Esther Ward
` Matt Campbell
@ ` Mike Keithley
` Cheryl Homiak
2 siblings, 1 reply; 57+ messages in thread
From: Mike Keithley @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Cheryl Homiak; +Cc: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
My machine is an 800 Meg Pentium with 512 MB of Ram and an 8 GB SCSI disk.
I'm using a cable connection and this might be why it's working so "well".
It works snappily enough without distortion from Dectalk and some of the
audio streams work great. I think there is a problem with the distributed
mplayer binary in that it won't decode some audio streams. Also, the
Freedombox Media Player doesn't close when streams of voice messages are
finished. Text messages go through snappy and fine though there is
occasionally instability that causes Freedom box to crash--sometimes
leaving X running and sometimes shutting it down. Haven't played with
chat. A stream that works fine is the BBC world headlines section of
the news and talk radio section.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 57+ messages in thread
* Re: FreedomBox and the Mozilla Public License
` Janina Sajka
` Matt Campbell
@ ` Alex Snow
` Ann Parsons
1 sibling, 1 reply; 57+ messages in thread
From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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on the subject of companies and intilectual property, I believe the
following article puts it in prospective quite nicely:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/03/09/bofh_protecting_bodily_waste/
- --
Not me, guy. I read the Bash man page each day like a Jehovah's Witness reads
the Bible. No wait, the Bash man page IS the bible. Excuse me...
-- More on confusing aliases, taken from comp.os.linux.misc
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` FreedomBox and the Mozilla Public License Alex Snow
@ ` Ann Parsons
` Chuck Hallenbeck
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From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi all,
I think that message was first and moremost unintelligible, and what I
could read of it didn't make sense at all.
Ann P.
--
Ann K. Parsons
email: akp@eznet.net
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Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT
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` Cheryl Homiak
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From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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Cheryl's error message is familiar to me. I have had it pop up on
my system a couple of times but have not pursued or solved it.
Evidently mplayer crashed after an essentially normal startup. I
would be interested to know what happens in this situation since
it might help my case too.
Chuck
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` Doug Sutherland
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From: Cheryl Homiak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
The interesting thing also is that while freedombox's mplayer crashed, the
mplayer I have installed handled the url just fine.
--
Cheryl
"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
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` Chuck Hallenbeck
` Cheryl Homiak
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From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
The error messages you posted about mplayer said they couldn't find your
mpplayer config files. The two mplayers must be set up differently. It
seems to be looking for files that don't exist in that location.
-- Doug
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From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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Doug,
It seems like mplayer checks for numerous configuration files in
many places, and as long as it finds one of them somewhere along
the way, the others that are NOT found are not a problem. They
apparently allow prioritizing and overriding of configurations
that way. I am not sure those messages about configurations not
found are all that important.
Chuck
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, Doug Sutherland wrote:
> The error messages you posted about mplayer said they couldn't find your
> mpplayer config files. The two mplayers must be set up differently. It
> seems to be looking for files that don't exist in that location.
>
> -- Doug
>
>
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` Doug Sutherland
` Chuck Hallenbeck
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From: Cheryl Homiak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Well yeah, but since freedombox set up this other mplayer I would have
thought it had installed the necessary files. Now had I just typed
'mplayer" instead of "helpers/mplayer" from the freedombox directory, I
suppose it would have accessed my own mplayer; in fact, I just tried it
and that's correct.
One thing I don't really like about freedombox on my machine, which
wouldn't be such a big issue as a stand-alone, is that unless i'm missing
the location, the only explanations I find are in the little readme file.
I don't see either documentation or instructions in a file; I would
imagine the "help" function is supposed to handle the instructions. And
even though I looked at the website for usound, I didn't see much
documentation, unless again I missed it.
--
Cheryl
"Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."
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* FreedomBox and the Mozilla Public License
FreedomBox and the Mozilla Public License Matt Campbell
` Janina Sajka
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` Tom and Esther Ward
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From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi Matt,
Good response, thank you.
Ann P.
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FreedomBox and the Mozilla Public License Matt Campbell
` Janina Sajka
` Ann Parsons
@ ` Tom and Esther Ward
` Buddy Brannan
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From: Tom and Esther Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
On 04/09/2004 02:11:37 PM, Matt Campbell wrote:
> I have been watching the thread about FreedomBox's supposed violation
> of the Mozilla Public License, and I wish to publicly set the record
> straight.
>
> Section 3.2 of the MPL does clearly say that any modifications to
> covered code must be released as source code. However, we did not
> need to make any modifications to Mozilla to add speech output or
> voice commands. As Aaron Leventhal said, we were able to do it by
> writing a new component that uses Mozilla's existing application
> programming interfaces (API's). Therefore, we are not obligated to
> release the code that adds speech output and voice commands.
>
> While I would prefer to release our ocde under an open-source
> license, I understand and respect Serotek's reasons for not doing so.
> The company needs to protect its intellectual proprety. I think
> we've made a good compromise by making the software available at no
> cost to the user. Furthermore, uninformed public statements such as
> those made about the alleged license violation only tarnish the
> reputation of a company that's trying to do good for the community
> while still doing well.
>
> For more information about the Mozilla Public License, read the FAQ,
> which is available at:
>
> http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/FAQ.html
>
> If you have further questions or concerns, please contact me
> privately; I don't believe this discussion is appropriate for the
> Speakup list. Thank you.
>
>--
> Matt Campbell
> Lead Programmer
> Serotek Corporation
> www.freedombox.info
>
>
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From: Buddy Brannan @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 11:10:09PM -0400, Tom and Esther Ward wrote:
[Nothing, actually]
So this is the second time that Matt's post was quoted in its entirety
with absolutely no commentary whatsoever. What's going on there, Tom?
FWIW, it appears--though only appears, so far--that I can only use
Freedombox on one computer. I got it to log in on Melanie's computer
with Linux. I can't get it to log in on my notebook, either Windows or
Linux, but at last my X seems to work on the laptop...still no clue
what's going on with this machine...still no X! Curiouser and
curiouser, but X or no X, Freedombox only allows me to log in on
Melanie's machine, which I can't stand and only tried to see if it'd
work, and now it will only log in on that machine...every other
machine just throws me back to the login screen! What a pain in the
ass!
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@ Doug Sutherland
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From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
I think free software is a good thing, but I also believe in the ideas
of intellectual property and proprietary software. The immediate jump
to accusations and such towards this freedom box thing is distasteful.
The binary is free for you to download. They are not evil for holding
onto their intellectual property and source code. Why jump all over
someone who is writing useful speech based applications?
-- Doug
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@ Janina Sajka
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From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Thanks, Ann. It is nice to know if somewhat amusing that Kirk had to play the key role.
I hasten to point out that I'm not the only one missing this piece of the puzzle, as you put it. The issue was raised here on this list. So, if Matt changed his mind as the result of a conversation on the reflector, It would seem appropriate to hear about that from him here on the list.
Ann Parsons writes:
> Hi all,
>
> <smile> Janina, I wrote you a blistering reply to your earlier post,
> and now I am glad that I didn't send it. You are missing a part of
> the puzzle seemingly. Yesterday afn, Matt came onto the reflector and
> spoke with us there. He apologized to Kirk because he thought that
> perhaps the Freedom Box was OT for this list. Kirk replied in his
> usual layed-back way that he didn't care, that it was OK with him. He
> chuckled and said something about Matt's having generated quite a bit
> of traffic recently.
>
> I chimed in and said that perhaps it was my fault for posting the
> announcement on Speakup in the first place, but I got razzed so badly,
> (everyone assuring me that *everything* was my fault), that I
> retreated back into my corner smiling and chuckling to myself.
>
> I am happy to report to you and to fill in the missing piece of your
> puzzle. Art thou content, my friend?
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email: akp@eznet.net
> WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.
> Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT
>
>
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Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
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