Using software synths with orca

Using software synths with orca

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

Well, I've got orca working quite well on a Fedora 7 installation using festival.  I can't remember what the list's feelings were on what synths work well with orca?

It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak but being a lfs geek, building it from source isn't a problem.  Would it be worth building espeak for orca?

I also have a Dectalk licence.  What version of Dectalk works most efficiently with orca?

I'd like to hear what others feel about the different synths with orca in respect of their stability and responsiveness.  Many thanks.

Gena

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Re: Using software synths with orca

[Janina Sajka]

Georgina Joyce writes:
> It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak


Not true. Did you even try to do:

yum install espeak?

Or yum info espeak?

Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days
experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way.

Janina

needing Lynx

[Scott Berry]

Janina,

I have a Fedora installation without Speakup as I do mostly ssh here.  Are 
there though lynx.rpms that are available from speakupmodified.org again?

Scott
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca


> Georgina Joyce writes:
>> It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak
>
>
> Not true. Did you even try to do:
>
> yum install espeak?
>
> Or yum info espeak?
>
> Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days
> experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way.
>
> Janina
>
>
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>
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Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx]

[Janina Sajka]

Scott Berry writes:
> Janina,
> 
> I have a Fedora installation without Speakup as I do mostly ssh here.  Are 
> there though lynx.rpms that are available from speakupmodified.org again?

No, not from SpeakupModified.Org, because they're simply provided by the
main Fedora repositories. Learn to use yum. You'll find it very helpful.
In this instance you can querry for lynx as via one of the following:

yum list lynx
yum info lynx

And, of course, you can install as in:

yum install lynx

PS: Lynx is always one of the first apps I install on a fresh
installation of Fedora on. There are a few other apps I like to have,
and I grab them all at once as, for example:

yum install lynx ncftp keychain ...

Using yum to its fullest will depend on whether you've installed
configurations for the various repositores you need. The default
installation will give you most of what you need, but it won't give you
the SpeakupModified, which is why our yum instrucctions at:

http://SpeakupModified.Org/yumming

tell you to grab our key and our repository .rpm by hand first as a one
time action. Similarly, you might want to get the rpm release file from
http://livna.org in order to install mplayer via yum, just to cite one
example that I suspect people might care about.

Janina

Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx]

[Scott Berry]

Right I did install lynx already I just was wondering if there was a special 
rpm for yum.  Thanks though and wish you the best with Moon Shine.

Scott

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:35 AM
Subject: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx]


> Scott Berry writes:
>> Janina,
>>
>> I have a Fedora installation without Speakup as I do mostly ssh here. 
>> Are
>> there though lynx.rpms that are available from speakupmodified.org again?
>
> No, not from SpeakupModified.Org, because they're simply provided by the
> main Fedora repositories. Learn to use yum. You'll find it very helpful.
> In this instance you can querry for lynx as via one of the following:
>
> yum list lynx
> yum info lynx
>
> And, of course, you can install as in:
>
> yum install lynx
>
> PS: Lynx is always one of the first apps I install on a fresh
> installation of Fedora on. There are a few other apps I like to have,
> and I grab them all at once as, for example:
>
> yum install lynx ncftp keychain ...
>
> Using yum to its fullest will depend on whether you've installed
> configurations for the various repositores you need. The default
> installation will give you most of what you need, but it won't give you
> the SpeakupModified, which is why our yum instrucctions at:
>
> http://SpeakupModified.Org/yumming
>
> tell you to grab our key and our repository .rpm by hand first as a one
> time action. Similarly, you might want to get the rpm release file from
> http://livna.org in order to install mplayer via yum, just to cite one
> example that I suspect people might care about.
>
> Janina
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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RE: Using software synths with orca

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

My apologies, I didn't expand upon my expression.  Because if I'd added "by default" I'd be perfectly correct.

I dislike your tone and your approach upon this matter.  Whereas, I've been privately supportive, but no more!

Gena

Amateur Call: M 0 E B P

VOIP / IM: gena1959uk



-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:58 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca


Georgina Joyce writes:
> It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak


Not true. Did you even try to do:

yum install espeak?

Or yum info espeak?

Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days
experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way.

Janina


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Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx]

[Janina Sajka]

Scott Berry writes:
> Right I did install lynx already I just was wondering if there was a special 
> rpm for yum.  Thanks though and wish you the best with Moon Shine.

Oh. If anything, it would be handled in a lynx-site.cfg file in /etc. I
do have one I use. If you like, I can send it.

Janina

Re: Using software synths with orca

[Janina Sajka]

I meant nothing personal, I assure you. Yes, I have a short fuse on
anything approaching categorical statements whenever someone is new in
a particular domain. Sorry if I offended. I certainly didn't intend
that.

Janina


Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hi
> 
> My apologies, I didn't expand upon my expression.  Because if I'd added "by default" I'd be perfectly correct.
> 
> I dislike your tone and your approach upon this matter.  Whereas, I've been privately supportive, but no more!
> 
> Gena
> 
> Amateur Call: M 0 E B P
> 
> VOIP / IM: gena1959uk
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:58 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca
> 
> 
> Georgina Joyce writes:
> > It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak
> 
> 
> Not true. Did you even try to do:
> 
> yum install espeak?
> 
> Or yum info espeak?
> 
> Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days
> experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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RE: Using software synths with orca

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

You know I've been around the block a few times.  My concern is how welcome new users will feel about asking their questions.  If they get a flaming like that they'll look else where.

My personal feeling is that you should have expressed yourself as you did if that's how you felt, but privately and I could have corrected my error publicly.  Come on!  Your far more skilled in public relations than I am.

We both want people to use Linux, isn't that what it's all about?

Regards

Gena

Amateur Call: M 0 E B P

VOIP / IM: gena1959uk



-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:17 AM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca


I meant nothing personal, I assure you. Yes, I have a short fuse on
anything approaching categorical statements whenever someone is new in
a particular domain. Sorry if I offended. I certainly didn't intend
that.

Janina


Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hi
> 
> My apologies, I didn't expand upon my expression.  Because if I'd added "by default" I'd be perfectly correct.
> 
> I dislike your tone and your approach upon this matter.  Whereas, I've been privately supportive, but no more!
> 
> Gena
> 
> Amateur Call: M 0 E B P
> 
> VOIP / IM: gena1959uk
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:58 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca
> 
> 
> Georgina Joyce writes:
> > It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak
> 
> 
> Not true. Did you even try to do:
> 
> yum install espeak?
> 
> Or yum info espeak?
> 
> Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days
> experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx]

[Scott Berry]

Yes please Janina if you would do that I would very much appreciate it.

Scott


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx]


> Scott Berry writes:
>> Right I did install lynx already I just was wondering if there was a 
>> special
>> rpm for yum.  Thanks though and wish you the best with Moon Shine.
>
> Oh. If anything, it would be handled in a lynx-site.cfg file in /etc. I
> do have one I use. If you like, I can send it.
>
> Janina
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
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Re: Using software synths with orca

[Janina Sajka]

Well, I don't know about skills in this context, but I do know you're
correct about alternative scenarios. You and I have been writing on and
off list these last days, just to throw out another one. Had you sent me
those exact words privately, I expect I'd have responded very
differently. 

For me it really is the categorical statement in public that trips my
ire. I'm sorry it landed on you, but you weren't the
only audience for my remark. It is a public list, after all, and this
isn't the first time I've come down hard on wrong categorical statements. Nor is it likely the last time.

So, maybe I should care a bit more for personal feelings over
principles? Certainly, that's a reasonable view, and I think it's what
you're saying to me. I don't know that I agree, but I will consider it.

PS: Do you really think someone completely new to Linux would write
anything so categorical to the list? Isn't it far more likely from
someone with history and standing in the community who's likely to
confuse what they know with what they think they know? I have been
guilty of this. I'm working on it. I hope to get better, but I suspect
I'll always be working on it no matter how good my skill gets.

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hi
> 
> You know I've been around the block a few times.  My concern is how welcome new users will feel about asking their questions.  If they get a flaming like that they'll look else where.
> 
> My personal feeling is that you should have expressed yourself as you did if that's how you felt, but privately and I could have corrected my error publicly.  Come on!  Your far more skilled in public relations than I am.
> 
> We both want people to use Linux, isn't that what it's all about?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Gena
> 
> Amateur Call: M 0 E B P
> 
> VOIP / IM: gena1959uk
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:17 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca
> 
> 
> I meant nothing personal, I assure you. Yes, I have a short fuse on
> anything approaching categorical statements whenever someone is new in
> a particular domain. Sorry if I offended. I certainly didn't intend
> that.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Georgina Joyce writes:
> > Hi
> > 
> > My apologies, I didn't expand upon my expression.  Because if I'd added "by default" I'd be perfectly correct.
> > 
> > I dislike your tone and your approach upon this matter.  Whereas, I've been privately supportive, but no more!
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > Amateur Call: M 0 E B P
> > 
> > VOIP / IM: gena1959uk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:58 PM
> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> > Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca
> > 
> > 
> > Georgina Joyce writes:
> > > It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak
> > 
> > 
> > Not true. Did you even try to do:
> > 
> > yum install espeak?
> > 
> > Or yum info espeak?
> > 
> > Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days
> > experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
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Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx]

[Janina Sajka]

On their way by private email ... Enjoy!

Janina

Scott Berry writes:
> Yes please Janina if you would do that I would very much appreciate it.
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx]
> 
> 
> > Scott Berry writes:
> >> Right I did install lynx already I just was wondering if there was a 
> >> special
> >> rpm for yum.  Thanks though and wish you the best with Moon Shine.
> >
> > Oh. If anything, it would be handled in a lynx-site.cfg file in /etc. I
> > do have one I use. If you like, I can send it.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx]

[Scott Berry]

Thanks much Janina.

Scott
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx]


> On their way by private email ... Enjoy!
>
> Janina
>
> Scott Berry writes:
>> Yes please Janina if you would do that I would very much appreciate it.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx]
>>
>>
>> > Scott Berry writes:
>> >> Right I did install lynx already I just was wondering if there was a
>> >> special
>> >> rpm for yum.  Thanks though and wish you the best with Moon Shine.
>> >
>> > Oh. If anything, it would be handled in a lynx-site.cfg file in /etc. I
>> > do have one I use. If you like, I can send it.
>> >
>> > Janina
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>>
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Re: Using software synths with orca

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 11:28:45AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> PS: Do you really think someone completely new to Linux would write
> anything so categorical to the list? 

While I won't give specifics for obvious reasons, yes, there have been
some newbies on here, (or at least people who seemed to be newbies
based on some of their other posts), that have made such categorical
statements on here in the past.

Greg


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RE: Using software synths with orca

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi


So, maybe I should care a bit more for personal feelings over
principles? Certainly, that's a reasonable view, and I think it's what
you're saying to me. I don't know that I agree, but I will consider it.
GJ:  Yes, I guess so.


PS: Do you really think someone completely new to Linux would write
anything so categorical to the list? Isn't it far more likely from
someone with history and standing in the community who's likely to
confuse what they know with what they think they know? I have been
guilty of this. I'm working on it. I hope to get better, but I suspect
I'll always be working on it no matter how good my skill gets.

GJ:  I do really think that new users are just as likely to be clumsy with their language.  Especially, when it's across boarders.  I'm increasingly finding it difficult to understand some of the Americanisms for example.  You used privately, "headsup", I also heard it on Chess Griffin's Linux Reality pod cast.  I'd never heard that one before but by guessing I hope my understanding is correct.

You'll also made the comment that I'd been using Fedora for a few days, while this is so untrue, the point is your suggesting that someone who has little experience shouldn't communicate.

Anyway, let's both continue to support the operating system to the best of our abilities, as that's what we're here for.

Hey pass us that glass of Moonshine <smiles>

Cheers

Gena

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hi
> 
> You know I've been around the block a few times.  My concern is how welcome new users will feel about asking their questions.  If they get a flaming like that they'll look else where.
> 
> My personal feeling is that you should have expressed yourself as you did if that's how you felt, but privately and I could have corrected my error publicly.  Come on!  Your far more skilled in public relations than I am.
> 
> We both want people to use Linux, isn't that what it's all about?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Gena
> 
> Amateur Call: M 0 E B P
> 
> VOIP / IM: gena1959uk
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:17 AM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca
> 
> 
> I meant nothing personal, I assure you. Yes, I have a short fuse on
> anything approaching categorical statements whenever someone is new in
> a particular domain. Sorry if I offended. I certainly didn't intend
> that.
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
> Georgina Joyce writes:
> > Hi
> > 
> > My apologies, I didn't expand upon my expression.  Because if I'd added "by default" I'd be perfectly correct.
> > 
> > I dislike your tone and your approach upon this matter.  Whereas, I've been privately supportive, but no more!
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > Amateur Call: M 0 E B P
> > 
> > VOIP / IM: gena1959uk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:58 PM
> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> > Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca
> > 
> > 
> > Georgina Joyce writes:
> > > It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak
> > 
> > 
> > Not true. Did you even try to do:
> > 
> > yum install espeak?
> > 
> > Or yum info espeak?
> > 
> > Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days
> > experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 

Re: Using software synths with orca

[John Heim]

Why in the world are you posting this to the speakup list? Take it to 
private email.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena-j@bulldoghome.com>
To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:40 AM
Subject: RE: Using software synths with orca


> Hi
>
>
> So, maybe I should care a bit more for personal feelings over
> principles? Certainly, that's a reasonable view, and I think it's what
> you're saying to me. I don't know that I agree, but I will consider it.
> GJ:  Yes, I guess so.
>
>
> PS: Do you really think someone completely new to Linux would write
> anything so categorical to the list? Isn't it far more likely from
> someone with history and standing in the community who's likely to
> confuse what they know with what they think they know? I have been
> guilty of this. I'm working on it. I hope to get better, but I suspect
> I'll always be working on it no matter how good my skill gets.
>
> GJ:  I do really think that new users are just as likely to be clumsy with 
> their language.  Especially, when it's across boarders.  I'm increasingly 
> finding it difficult to understand some of the Americanisms for example. 
> You used privately, "headsup", I also heard it on Chess Griffin's Linux 
> Reality pod cast.  I'd never heard that one before but by guessing I hope 
> my understanding is correct.
>
> You'll also made the comment that I'd been using Fedora for a few days, 
> while this is so untrue, the point is your suggesting that someone who has 
> little experience shouldn't communicate.
>
> Anyway, let's both continue to support the operating system to the best of 
> our abilities, as that's what we're here for.
>
> Hey pass us that glass of Moonshine <smiles>
>
> Cheers
>
> Gena
>
> Janina
>
> Georgina Joyce writes:
>> Hi
>>
>> You know I've been around the block a few times.  My concern is how 
>> welcome new users will feel about asking their questions.  If they get a 
>> flaming like that they'll look else where.
>>
>> My personal feeling is that you should have expressed yourself as you did 
>> if that's how you felt, but privately and I could have corrected my error 
>> publicly.  Come on!  Your far more skilled in public relations than I am.
>>
>> We both want people to use Linux, isn't that what it's all about?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Gena
>>
>> Amateur Call: M 0 E B P
>>
>> VOIP / IM: gena1959uk
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
>> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:17 AM
>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>> Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca
>>
>>
>> I meant nothing personal, I assure you. Yes, I have a short fuse on
>> anything approaching categorical statements whenever someone is new in
>> a particular domain. Sorry if I offended. I certainly didn't intend
>> that.
>>
>> Janina
>>
>>
>> Georgina Joyce writes:
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > My apologies, I didn't expand upon my expression.  Because if I'd added 
>> > "by default" I'd be perfectly correct.
>> >
>> > I dislike your tone and your approach upon this matter.  Whereas, I've 
>> > been privately supportive, but no more!
>> >
>> > Gena
>> >
>> > Amateur Call: M 0 E B P
>> >
>> > VOIP / IM: gena1959uk
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca 
>> > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:58 PM
>> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>> > Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca
>> >
>> >
>> > Georgina Joyce writes:
>> > > It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak
>> >
>> >
>> > Not true. Did you even try to do:
>> >
>> > yum install espeak?
>> >
>> > Or yum info espeak?
>> >
>> > Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days
>> > experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way.
>> >
>> > Janina
>> >
>> >
>
>
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