* Using software synths with orca @ Georgina Joyce ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Georgina Joyce @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi Well, I've got orca working quite well on a Fedora 7 installation using festival. I can't remember what the list's feelings were on what synths work well with orca? It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak but being a lfs geek, building it from source isn't a problem. Would it be worth building espeak for orca? I also have a Dectalk licence. What version of Dectalk works most efficiently with orca? I'd like to hear what others feel about the different synths with orca in respect of their stability and responsiveness. Many thanks. Gena Amateur Call: M 0 E B P VOIP / IM: gena1959uk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Using software synths with orca Using software synths with orca Georgina Joyce @ ` Janina Sajka ` needing Lynx Scott Berry ` Using software synths with orca Georgina Joyce 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Georgina Joyce writes: > It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak Not true. Did you even try to do: yum install espeak? Or yum info espeak? Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way. Janina ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* needing Lynx ` Janina Sajka @ ` Scott Berry ` Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx] Janina Sajka ` Using software synths with orca Georgina Joyce 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Scott Berry @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Janina, I have a Fedora installation without Speakup as I do mostly ssh here. Are there though lynx.rpms that are available from speakupmodified.org again? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca > Georgina Joyce writes: >> It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak > > > Not true. Did you even try to do: > > yum install espeak? > > Or yum info espeak? > > Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days > experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way. > > Janina > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.6/902 - Release Date: 7/15/2007 > 2:21 PM > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx] ` needing Lynx Scott Berry @ ` Janina Sajka ` Scott Berry 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Scott Berry writes: > Janina, > > I have a Fedora installation without Speakup as I do mostly ssh here. Are > there though lynx.rpms that are available from speakupmodified.org again? No, not from SpeakupModified.Org, because they're simply provided by the main Fedora repositories. Learn to use yum. You'll find it very helpful. In this instance you can querry for lynx as via one of the following: yum list lynx yum info lynx And, of course, you can install as in: yum install lynx PS: Lynx is always one of the first apps I install on a fresh installation of Fedora on. There are a few other apps I like to have, and I grab them all at once as, for example: yum install lynx ncftp keychain ... Using yum to its fullest will depend on whether you've installed configurations for the various repositores you need. The default installation will give you most of what you need, but it won't give you the SpeakupModified, which is why our yum instrucctions at: http://SpeakupModified.Org/yumming tell you to grab our key and our repository .rpm by hand first as a one time action. Similarly, you might want to get the rpm release file from http://livna.org in order to install mplayer via yum, just to cite one example that I suspect people might care about. Janina ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx] ` Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx] Janina Sajka @ ` Scott Berry ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Scott Berry @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Right I did install lynx already I just was wondering if there was a special rpm for yum. Thanks though and wish you the best with Moon Shine. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx] > Scott Berry writes: >> Janina, >> >> I have a Fedora installation without Speakup as I do mostly ssh here. >> Are >> there though lynx.rpms that are available from speakupmodified.org again? > > No, not from SpeakupModified.Org, because they're simply provided by the > main Fedora repositories. Learn to use yum. You'll find it very helpful. > In this instance you can querry for lynx as via one of the following: > > yum list lynx > yum info lynx > > And, of course, you can install as in: > > yum install lynx > > PS: Lynx is always one of the first apps I install on a fresh > installation of Fedora on. There are a few other apps I like to have, > and I grab them all at once as, for example: > > yum install lynx ncftp keychain ... > > Using yum to its fullest will depend on whether you've installed > configurations for the various repositores you need. The default > installation will give you most of what you need, but it won't give you > the SpeakupModified, which is why our yum instrucctions at: > > http://SpeakupModified.Org/yumming > > tell you to grab our key and our repository .rpm by hand first as a one > time action. Similarly, you might want to get the rpm release file from > http://livna.org in order to install mplayer via yum, just to cite one > example that I suspect people might care about. > > Janina > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/904 - Release Date: 7/16/2007 > 5:42 PM > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx] ` Scott Berry @ ` Janina Sajka ` Scott Berry 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Scott Berry writes: > Right I did install lynx already I just was wondering if there was a special > rpm for yum. Thanks though and wish you the best with Moon Shine. Oh. If anything, it would be handled in a lynx-site.cfg file in /etc. I do have one I use. If you like, I can send it. Janina ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx] ` Janina Sajka @ ` Scott Berry ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Scott Berry @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Yes please Janina if you would do that I would very much appreciate it. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx] > Scott Berry writes: >> Right I did install lynx already I just was wondering if there was a >> special >> rpm for yum. Thanks though and wish you the best with Moon Shine. > > Oh. If anything, it would be handled in a lynx-site.cfg file in /etc. I > do have one I use. If you like, I can send it. > > Janina > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/904 - Release Date: 7/16/2007 > 5:42 PM > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx] ` Scott Berry @ ` Janina Sajka ` Scott Berry 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. On their way by private email ... Enjoy! Janina Scott Berry writes: > Yes please Janina if you would do that I would very much appreciate it. > > Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx] > > > > Scott Berry writes: > >> Right I did install lynx already I just was wondering if there was a > >> special > >> rpm for yum. Thanks though and wish you the best with Moon Shine. > > > > Oh. If anything, it would be handled in a lynx-site.cfg file in /etc. I > > do have one I use. If you like, I can send it. > > > > Janina > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/904 - Release Date: 7/16/2007 > > 5:42 PM > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx] ` Janina Sajka @ ` Scott Berry 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Scott Berry @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Thanks much Janina. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx] > On their way by private email ... Enjoy! > > Janina > > Scott Berry writes: >> Yes please Janina if you would do that I would very much appreciate it. >> >> Scott >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:48 PM >> Subject: Re: Fedora--Learn To Use Yum; [Was: needing Lynx] >> >> >> > Scott Berry writes: >> >> Right I did install lynx already I just was wondering if there was a >> >> special >> >> rpm for yum. Thanks though and wish you the best with Moon Shine. >> > >> > Oh. If anything, it would be handled in a lynx-site.cfg file in /etc. I >> > do have one I use. If you like, I can send it. >> > >> > Janina >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/904 - Release Date: >> > 7/16/2007 >> > 5:42 PM >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and > Canada > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/906 - Release Date: 7/17/2007 > 6:30 PM > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* RE: Using software synths with orca ` Janina Sajka ` needing Lynx Scott Berry @ ` Georgina Joyce ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Georgina Joyce @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Hi My apologies, I didn't expand upon my expression. Because if I'd added "by default" I'd be perfectly correct. I dislike your tone and your approach upon this matter. Whereas, I've been privately supportive, but no more! Gena Amateur Call: M 0 E B P VOIP / IM: gena1959uk -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:58 PM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca Georgina Joyce writes: > It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak Not true. Did you even try to do: yum install espeak? Or yum info espeak? Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way. Janina _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup __________ NOD32 2403 (20070717) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Using software synths with orca ` Using software synths with orca Georgina Joyce @ ` Janina Sajka ` Georgina Joyce 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I meant nothing personal, I assure you. Yes, I have a short fuse on anything approaching categorical statements whenever someone is new in a particular domain. Sorry if I offended. I certainly didn't intend that. Janina Georgina Joyce writes: > Hi > > My apologies, I didn't expand upon my expression. Because if I'd added "by default" I'd be perfectly correct. > > I dislike your tone and your approach upon this matter. Whereas, I've been privately supportive, but no more! > > Gena > > Amateur Call: M 0 E B P > > VOIP / IM: gena1959uk > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:58 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca > > > Georgina Joyce writes: > > It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak > > > Not true. Did you even try to do: > > yum install espeak? > > Or yum info espeak? > > Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days > experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way. > > Janina > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > __________ NOD32 2403 (20070717) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* RE: Using software synths with orca ` Janina Sajka @ ` Georgina Joyce ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Georgina Joyce @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Hi You know I've been around the block a few times. My concern is how welcome new users will feel about asking their questions. If they get a flaming like that they'll look else where. My personal feeling is that you should have expressed yourself as you did if that's how you felt, but privately and I could have corrected my error publicly. Come on! Your far more skilled in public relations than I am. We both want people to use Linux, isn't that what it's all about? Regards Gena Amateur Call: M 0 E B P VOIP / IM: gena1959uk -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:17 AM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca I meant nothing personal, I assure you. Yes, I have a short fuse on anything approaching categorical statements whenever someone is new in a particular domain. Sorry if I offended. I certainly didn't intend that. Janina Georgina Joyce writes: > Hi > > My apologies, I didn't expand upon my expression. Because if I'd added "by default" I'd be perfectly correct. > > I dislike your tone and your approach upon this matter. Whereas, I've been privately supportive, but no more! > > Gena > > Amateur Call: M 0 E B P > > VOIP / IM: gena1959uk > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:58 PM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca > > > Georgina Joyce writes: > > It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak > > > Not true. Did you even try to do: > > yum install espeak? > > Or yum info espeak? > > Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days > experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way. > > Janina > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > __________ NOD32 2403 (20070717) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup __________ NOD32 2404 (20070717) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Using software synths with orca ` Georgina Joyce @ ` Janina Sajka ` Gregory Nowak ` Georgina Joyce 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Well, I don't know about skills in this context, but I do know you're correct about alternative scenarios. You and I have been writing on and off list these last days, just to throw out another one. Had you sent me those exact words privately, I expect I'd have responded very differently. For me it really is the categorical statement in public that trips my ire. I'm sorry it landed on you, but you weren't the only audience for my remark. It is a public list, after all, and this isn't the first time I've come down hard on wrong categorical statements. Nor is it likely the last time. So, maybe I should care a bit more for personal feelings over principles? Certainly, that's a reasonable view, and I think it's what you're saying to me. I don't know that I agree, but I will consider it. PS: Do you really think someone completely new to Linux would write anything so categorical to the list? Isn't it far more likely from someone with history and standing in the community who's likely to confuse what they know with what they think they know? I have been guilty of this. I'm working on it. I hope to get better, but I suspect I'll always be working on it no matter how good my skill gets. Janina Georgina Joyce writes: > Hi > > You know I've been around the block a few times. My concern is how welcome new users will feel about asking their questions. If they get a flaming like that they'll look else where. > > My personal feeling is that you should have expressed yourself as you did if that's how you felt, but privately and I could have corrected my error publicly. Come on! Your far more skilled in public relations than I am. > > We both want people to use Linux, isn't that what it's all about? > > Regards > > Gena > > Amateur Call: M 0 E B P > > VOIP / IM: gena1959uk > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:17 AM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca > > > I meant nothing personal, I assure you. Yes, I have a short fuse on > anything approaching categorical statements whenever someone is new in > a particular domain. Sorry if I offended. I certainly didn't intend > that. > > Janina > > > Georgina Joyce writes: > > Hi > > > > My apologies, I didn't expand upon my expression. Because if I'd added "by default" I'd be perfectly correct. > > > > I dislike your tone and your approach upon this matter. Whereas, I've been privately supportive, but no more! > > > > Gena > > > > Amateur Call: M 0 E B P > > > > VOIP / IM: gena1959uk > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:58 PM > > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > > Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca > > > > > > Georgina Joyce writes: > > > It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak > > > > > > Not true. Did you even try to do: > > > > yum install espeak? > > > > Or yum info espeak? > > > > Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days > > experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way. > > > > Janina > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > __________ NOD32 2403 (20070717) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > __________ NOD32 2404 (20070717) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Using software synths with orca ` Janina Sajka @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Georgina Joyce 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jul 18, 2007 at 11:28:45AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > PS: Do you really think someone completely new to Linux would write > anything so categorical to the list? While I won't give specifics for obvious reasons, yes, there have been some newbies on here, (or at least people who seemed to be newbies based on some of their other posts), that have made such categorical statements on here in the past. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGnkBI7s9z/XlyUyARAjIbAJ4/bvB3QVq18u3r+H/LsC7rSdCFlQCgz317 nhcGSec/XAY9OTv/g55FfBk= =oG04 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* RE: Using software synths with orca ` Janina Sajka ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Georgina Joyce ` John Heim 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Georgina Joyce @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Hi So, maybe I should care a bit more for personal feelings over principles? Certainly, that's a reasonable view, and I think it's what you're saying to me. I don't know that I agree, but I will consider it. GJ: Yes, I guess so. PS: Do you really think someone completely new to Linux would write anything so categorical to the list? Isn't it far more likely from someone with history and standing in the community who's likely to confuse what they know with what they think they know? I have been guilty of this. I'm working on it. I hope to get better, but I suspect I'll always be working on it no matter how good my skill gets. GJ: I do really think that new users are just as likely to be clumsy with their language. Especially, when it's across boarders. I'm increasingly finding it difficult to understand some of the Americanisms for example. You used privately, "headsup", I also heard it on Chess Griffin's Linux Reality pod cast. I'd never heard that one before but by guessing I hope my understanding is correct. You'll also made the comment that I'd been using Fedora for a few days, while this is so untrue, the point is your suggesting that someone who has little experience shouldn't communicate. Anyway, let's both continue to support the operating system to the best of our abilities, as that's what we're here for. Hey pass us that glass of Moonshine <smiles> Cheers Gena Janina Georgina Joyce writes: > Hi > > You know I've been around the block a few times. My concern is how welcome new users will feel about asking their questions. If they get a flaming like that they'll look else where. > > My personal feeling is that you should have expressed yourself as you did if that's how you felt, but privately and I could have corrected my error publicly. Come on! Your far more skilled in public relations than I am. > > We both want people to use Linux, isn't that what it's all about? > > Regards > > Gena > > Amateur Call: M 0 E B P > > VOIP / IM: gena1959uk > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:17 AM > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca > > > I meant nothing personal, I assure you. Yes, I have a short fuse on > anything approaching categorical statements whenever someone is new in > a particular domain. Sorry if I offended. I certainly didn't intend > that. > > Janina > > > Georgina Joyce writes: > > Hi > > > > My apologies, I didn't expand upon my expression. Because if I'd added "by default" I'd be perfectly correct. > > > > I dislike your tone and your approach upon this matter. Whereas, I've been privately supportive, but no more! > > > > Gena > > > > Amateur Call: M 0 E B P > > > > VOIP / IM: gena1959uk > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:58 PM > > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > > Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca > > > > > > Georgina Joyce writes: > > > It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak > > > > > > Not true. Did you even try to do: > > > > yum install espeak? > > > > Or yum info espeak? > > > > Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days > > experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way. > > > > Janina > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: Using software synths with orca ` Georgina Joyce @ ` John Heim 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: John Heim @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Why in the world are you posting this to the speakup list? Take it to private email. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena-j@bulldoghome.com> To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:40 AM Subject: RE: Using software synths with orca > Hi > > > So, maybe I should care a bit more for personal feelings over > principles? Certainly, that's a reasonable view, and I think it's what > you're saying to me. I don't know that I agree, but I will consider it. > GJ: Yes, I guess so. > > > PS: Do you really think someone completely new to Linux would write > anything so categorical to the list? Isn't it far more likely from > someone with history and standing in the community who's likely to > confuse what they know with what they think they know? I have been > guilty of this. I'm working on it. I hope to get better, but I suspect > I'll always be working on it no matter how good my skill gets. > > GJ: I do really think that new users are just as likely to be clumsy with > their language. Especially, when it's across boarders. I'm increasingly > finding it difficult to understand some of the Americanisms for example. > You used privately, "headsup", I also heard it on Chess Griffin's Linux > Reality pod cast. I'd never heard that one before but by guessing I hope > my understanding is correct. > > You'll also made the comment that I'd been using Fedora for a few days, > while this is so untrue, the point is your suggesting that someone who has > little experience shouldn't communicate. > > Anyway, let's both continue to support the operating system to the best of > our abilities, as that's what we're here for. > > Hey pass us that glass of Moonshine <smiles> > > Cheers > > Gena > > Janina > > Georgina Joyce writes: >> Hi >> >> You know I've been around the block a few times. My concern is how >> welcome new users will feel about asking their questions. If they get a >> flaming like that they'll look else where. >> >> My personal feeling is that you should have expressed yourself as you did >> if that's how you felt, but privately and I could have corrected my error >> publicly. Come on! Your far more skilled in public relations than I am. >> >> We both want people to use Linux, isn't that what it's all about? >> >> Regards >> >> Gena >> >> Amateur Call: M 0 E B P >> >> VOIP / IM: gena1959uk >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca >> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 1:17 AM >> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >> Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca >> >> >> I meant nothing personal, I assure you. Yes, I have a short fuse on >> anything approaching categorical statements whenever someone is new in >> a particular domain. Sorry if I offended. I certainly didn't intend >> that. >> >> Janina >> >> >> Georgina Joyce writes: >> > Hi >> > >> > My apologies, I didn't expand upon my expression. Because if I'd added >> > "by default" I'd be perfectly correct. >> > >> > I dislike your tone and your approach upon this matter. Whereas, I've >> > been privately supportive, but no more! >> > >> > Gena >> > >> > Amateur Call: M 0 E B P >> > >> > VOIP / IM: gena1959uk >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca >> > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 2:58 PM >> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. >> > Subject: Re: Using software synths with orca >> > >> > >> > Georgina Joyce writes: >> > > It appears that Fedora doesn't include espeak >> > >> > >> > Not true. Did you even try to do: >> > >> > yum install espeak? >> > >> > Or yum info espeak? >> > >> > Please don't spread "does" and "doesn't" around with only a few days >> > experience. Too much misinformation is spread this way. >> > >> > Janina >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
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