* Knoppix
@ Glenn at home
` Knoppix Steve Dawes
0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Glenn at home @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Is there a faster site for getting Knoppix than:
http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/knoppix/
I would like to get this down on broadband ASAP.
Thanks
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* RE: Knoppix
Knoppix Glenn at home
@ ` Steve Dawes
` Knoppix David Csercsics
` Knoppix Glenn at home
0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Steve Dawes @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn at home, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
slow down,
What distro are you using? if it is fedora, you don't need to download
knopix, you can use the first disk of your install set, and tell it to start
up in a repair mode
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Glenn at home
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:05 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Knoppix
Is there a faster site for getting Knoppix than:
http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/knoppix/
I would like to get this down on broadband ASAP.
Thanks
_______________________________________________
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http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: Knoppix
` Knoppix Steve Dawes
@ ` David Csercsics
` Knoppix Glenn at home
1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: David Csercsics @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Doesn't Debian's installer have a rescue mode? I seem to recall that
it does.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: Knoppix
` Knoppix Steve Dawes
` Knoppix David Csercsics
@ ` Glenn at home
` Re[2]: Knoppix Farhan
1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Glenn at home @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: sdawes, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Debian 2.4.27
I was in the middle of apt-get dist-upgrade
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Dawes" <sdawes@telus.net>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: RE: Knoppix
slow down,
What distro are you using? if it is fedora, you don't need to download
knopix, you can use the first disk of your install set, and tell it to start
up in a repair mode
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Glenn at home
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:05 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Knoppix
Is there a faster site for getting Knoppix than:
http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/knoppix/
I would like to get this down on broadband ASAP.
Thanks
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
_______________________________________________
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* Re[2]: Knoppix
` Knoppix Glenn at home
@ ` Farhan
` Father Fudge
` jim grimsby
0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Farhan @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn at home, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
when you do an apt-get dist-upgrade don't touch it. i no what it said to reboot but still don't touch it. i had no problems like this
on 4/14/2005 GlennErvin@cableone.netGlenn at home
said
Debian 2.4.27
I was in the middle of apt-get dist-upgrade
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Dawes" <sdawes@telus.net>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: RE: Knoppix
slow down,
What distro are you using? if it is fedora, you don't need to download
knopix, you can use the first disk of your install set, and tell it to start
up in a repair mode
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Glenn at home
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:05 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Knoppix
Is there a faster site for getting Knoppix than:
http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/knoppix/
I would like to get this down on broadband ASAP.
Thanks
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
_______________________________________________
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Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: Re[2]: Knoppix
` Re[2]: Knoppix Farhan
@ ` Father Fudge
` jim grimsby
` jim grimsby
1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Father Fudge @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Farhan, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
hi mate, i got it all installed, root and my user is set up but not sure how
to get speach going.
I dont think i can use speakup as its for hardware synths
there are software ones, i know they suck but how do u get those going?
would love some help thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farhan" <i.am.farhan@gmail.com>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 1:25 PM
Subject: Re[2]: Knoppix
> when you do an apt-get dist-upgrade don't touch it. i no what it said to
> reboot but still don't touch it. i had no problems like this
> on 4/14/2005 GlennErvin@cableone.netGlenn at home
> said
> Debian 2.4.27
> I was in the middle of apt-get dist-upgrade
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Dawes" <sdawes@telus.net>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
> system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:30 PM
> Subject: RE: Knoppix
>
>
> slow down,
>
> What distro are you using? if it is fedora, you don't need to download
> knopix, you can use the first disk of your install set, and tell it to
> start
> up in a repair mode
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Glenn at home
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:05 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Knoppix
>
>
> Is there a faster site for getting Knoppix than:
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/knoppix/
> I would like to get this down on broadband ASAP.
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* RE: Re[2]: Knoppix
` Re[2]: Knoppix Farhan
` Father Fudge
@ ` jim grimsby
1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: jim grimsby @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Farhan', 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
when you do an apt-get dist-upgrade don't touch it. i no what it said to
reboot but still don't touch it. i had no problems like this
Nore I it says that you need to reboot soon just hit inter and it will
finish what it is doing. When you get to the prompt again then you can
reboot.
Hth
on 4/14/2005 GlennErvin@cableone.netGlenn at home said Debian 2.4.27 I
was in the middle of apt-get dist-upgrade Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Dawes" <sdawes@telus.net>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen
review
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:30 PM
Subject: RE: Knoppix
slow down,
What distro are you using? if it is fedora, you don't need to download
knopix, you can use the first disk of your install set, and tell it to
start up in a repair mode
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Glenn at home
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:05 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Knoppix
Is there a faster site for getting Knoppix than:
http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/knoppix/
I would like to get this down on broadband ASAP.
Thanks
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
_______________________________________________
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http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
_______________________________________________
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* RE: Re[2]: Knoppix
` Father Fudge
@ ` jim grimsby
0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: jim grimsby @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
Well one quick way is to do this
Apt-get install eflite flite yasr
This will install yasr your all perpus screen reader eflite a flite
server for emacspeak and flite.
Update your kernel using aptitude to install 2.6x.
Yasr is not hooked in to your kernel and you never need to worry about
losing it. I am talking to the maintainer of the debian package for
speakup to see if he is willing to update the kernel image and to
provide a source package for speechd-up. If you are willing to work
with source packages instead of just the debian ones let me know there
is a good users guide and a howto on speakup and software synthesizers
are covered in there. As a novus user my self I found it some what
difficult to create the package only to find that the speakup image does
not have the device in it. So you are going to have to get a kernel
source and then the speakup patch from cvs and make your own kernel.
Quite a takes for a new user. I like emacspeak better then yasr but
yasr is easier at this point with debian to get talking.
Another easy one is emacspeak
Type this to get emacspeak and emacs21
Apt-get install emacspeak-ss
This will get emacs21 emacspeak 17.01 quite old and the emacspeak
server.
I got in touch with the maintainer of this package to see if he would
update it as well.
Another good option for emacspeak is speechd-el
To get it type
Apt-get install speechd-el
Hth
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Father Fudge
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:53 PM
To: Farhan; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Knoppix
hi mate, i got it all installed, root and my user is set up but not sure
how
to get speach going.
I dont think i can use speakup as its for hardware synths
there are software ones, i know they suck but how do u get those going?
would love some help thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farhan" <i.am.farhan@gmail.com>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen
review
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 1:25 PM
Subject: Re[2]: Knoppix
> when you do an apt-get dist-upgrade don't touch it. i no what it said
> to
> reboot but still don't touch it. i had no problems like this
> on 4/14/2005 GlennErvin@cableone.netGlenn at home
> said
> Debian 2.4.27
> I was in the middle of apt-get dist-upgrade
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Dawes" <sdawes@telus.net>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen
review
> system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:30 PM
> Subject: RE: Knoppix
>
>
> slow down,
>
> What distro are you using? if it is fedora, you don't need to download
> knopix, you can use the first disk of your install set, and tell it to
> start up in a repair mode
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Glenn at home
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:05 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Knoppix
>
>
> Is there a faster site for getting Knoppix than:
> http://www.linux-speakup.org/ftp/disks/knoppix/
> I would like to get this down on broadband ASAP.
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* knoppix
@ Jude DaShiell
0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Jude DaShiell @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
I managed somehow to boot knoppix and got adriane talking once. I don't
remember exactly what I did to make that happen. Has anyone here got the
boot procedure to get adriane running?
-- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that
order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* knoppix
@ Glenn at home
0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Glenn at home @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Can someone give me a faster site than:
http://www.braille.uwo.ca/speakup/ftp/disks/knoppix/
for getting knoppix with speakup?
Thanks
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* RE: knoppix
@ Whitley CTR Cecil H
0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Whitley CTR Cecil H @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
Hi,
Sorry, I found it. It's in /pub/speakup/disks in case anyone else is
interested.
Thanks,
Cecil
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* knoppix
@ Whitley CTR Cecil H
0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Whitley CTR Cecil H @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'
Hi,
is the knoppix with speakup no longer on the ftp site? If it is still
there, where?
Thanks,
Cecil
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* knoppix
@ Danny Crone
0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Danny Crone @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup List
Hello. I would like to correspond with anyone who has used the talking
distro based on knoppix.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* RE: knoppix
` knoppix Kenny Hitt
@ ` Sina Bahram
0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Sina Bahram @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Aha, you are correct...i apologize. I thought it used noppix, but I seem
to be mistaken. Is the noppix CD any better, and is it self voicing?
Thanks,
Sina
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Kenny Hitt
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 1:13 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: knoppix
Hi. I think you are talking about the oralux CD. There is also a
Knoppix CD on the speakup sight. It doesn't have emacspeak, but it has
speakup in the kernel.
Kenny
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: knoppix
` knoppix Ryan Mann
@ ` jack mendez
0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: jack mendez @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
thanks a lot
At 10:17 PM 9/14/03 -0500, you wrote:
>There is a speakup-enabled Knoppix CD on the Speakup site.
>Getftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/KNOPPIX_v3.2-2003-07-26-EN-spe
akup.iso.
>On
>Sun, 14 Sep 2003, jack mendez wrote:
>
>> i believe i recall something about someone making a speakup enabled knoppix
>> cd.
>> i wonder if we have made any progress with it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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* Re: knoppix
` knoppix Sina Bahram
` knoppix Kenny Hitt
@ ` Chris
1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Chris @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
O, this sounds more like oralux, or something. I was certainly able to get
it to work, but i was in trouble once I saw that the emacs commands are
completely different from just the regular bash shell console commands.
Chris.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@nc.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: knoppix
> Yes, I saw that message on the Emacspeak list; however, I tried that
> particular CD on three or four different systems, all with different
> hardware configurations, and it didn't work on any of them. I know that
> a few people have had success with it though, and from what I gathered,
> the program simply boots to emacspeak and has speech.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of jack mendez
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 9:54 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: knoppix
>
>
> i believe i recall something about someone making a speakup enabled
> knoppix cd. i wonder if we have made any progress with it?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: knoppix
` knoppix Sina Bahram
@ ` Kenny Hitt
` knoppix Sina Bahram
` knoppix Chris
1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Kenny Hitt @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi. I think you are talking about the oralux CD. There is also a
Knoppix CD on the speakup sight. It doesn't have emacspeak, but it has
speakup in the kernel.
Kenny
On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 10:09:44PM -0400, Sina Bahram wrote:
> Yes, I saw that message on the Emacspeak list; however, I tried that
> particular CD on three or four different systems, all with different
> hardware configurations, and it didn't work on any of them. I know that
> a few people have had success with it though, and from what I gathered,
> the program simply boots to emacspeak and has speech.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of jack mendez
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 9:54 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: knoppix
>
>
> i believe i recall something about someone making a speakup enabled
> knoppix cd. i wonder if we have made any progress with it?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: knoppix
` knoppix jack mendez
` knoppix Sina Bahram
@ ` Ryan Mann
` knoppix jack mendez
1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Ryan Mann @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
There is a speakup-enabled Knoppix CD on the Speakup site.
Getftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/KNOPPIX_v3.2-2003-07-26-EN-speakup.iso.
On
Sun, 14 Sep 2003, jack mendez wrote:
> i believe i recall something about someone making a speakup enabled knoppix
> cd.
> i wonder if we have made any progress with it?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* RE: knoppix
` knoppix jack mendez
@ ` Sina Bahram
` knoppix Kenny Hitt
` knoppix Chris
` knoppix Ryan Mann
1 sibling, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Sina Bahram @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Yes, I saw that message on the Emacspeak list; however, I tried that
particular CD on three or four different systems, all with different
hardware configurations, and it didn't work on any of them. I know that
a few people have had success with it though, and from what I gathered,
the program simply boots to emacspeak and has speech.
Hope this helps,
Sina
-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of jack mendez
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 9:54 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: knoppix
i believe i recall something about someone making a speakup enabled
knoppix cd. i wonder if we have made any progress with it?
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* knoppix
` Emacs Tutorial Kirk Reiser
@ ` jack mendez
` knoppix Sina Bahram
` knoppix Ryan Mann
0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: jack mendez @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
i believe i recall something about someone making a speakup enabled knoppix
cd.
i wonder if we have made any progress with it?
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