fedora

fedora

[Alex Snow]

Hi all.
I just got fedora installed today and have some questions:
1. where is the default kernel configuration located? I'd like to 
rebuild my kernel with support for my synth built in but I don't want to 
do a make config or menuconfig.
2.  How can I rerun setup to install more package groups? I didn't 
install gnome at install time but I want to now.
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Re: fedora

[Darragh]

Are the only distributions supported though's which are on the ftp site
ftp.linux-speakup.org ?

I think I understand where this man is coming from.  H'es trying to find a
distrobution which is easy to use for beginners and which offers as much
technical support as possible.  I know he's a distributor of a lot of
distributions here so He's probably trying to make a sale.  However, He
definitly knows more than me about Linux so I'll keep in mind his
suggestions.

I'll ask one more time, is mandrake speakup enabled?

I know emacspeak is there but speakup is easier to work with for me at the
moment.  Until I learn how to set up emacspeak and viavoice.

Thanks


Darragh

Re: fedora

[Deedra Waters]

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I don't think that mandrake has speakup enabled in it, but I could be wrong. Again, the distros that I know  of with speakup enabled are debian, redhat, fedora, slackware, and gentoo.

As for those that have it actually built into the cd itself, redhat and fedora do, as do debian and gentoo. gentoo's is still in the experimental stage, but will probably go stable soon. I'm working with the guy ti get out the last of the bugs. I'm not sure if slackware has it built into their cd sets honestly.



On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Darragh wrote:

> Are the only distributions supported though's which are on the ftp site
> ftp.linux-speakup.org ?
> 
> I think I understand where this man is coming from.  H'es trying to find a
> distrobution which is easy to use for beginners and which offers as much
> technical support as possible.  I know he's a distributor of a lot of
> distributions here so He's probably trying to make a sale.  However, He
> definitly knows more than me about Linux so I'll keep in mind his
> suggestions.
> 
> I'll ask one more time, is mandrake speakup enabled?
> 
> I know emacspeak is there but speakup is easier to work with for me at the
> moment.  Until I learn how to set up emacspeak and viavoice.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Darragh
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: fedora

[Gregory Nowak]

As far as I know, slackware is the only distro which has speakup
included in the stock cd set.

Greg


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> I don't think that mandrake has speakup enabled in it, but I could be wrong. Again, the distros that I know  of with speakup enabled are debian, redhat, fedora, slackware, and gentoo.
> 
> As for those that have it actually built into the cd itself, redhat and fedora do, as do debian and gentoo. gentoo's is still in the experimental stage, but will probably go stable soon. I'm working with the guy ti get out the last of the bugs. I'm not sure if slackware has it built into their cd sets honestly.
> 
> 
> 

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Re: fedora

[Alex Snow]

slackware has it built into it's cd set. it's nice to be able to have 
a speakup install off a stock slackware disk.
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 
05:47:52PM -0600, Deedra Waters wrote:
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> I don't think that mandrake has speakup enabled in it, but I could be wrong. Again, the distros that I know  of with speakup enabled are debian, redhat, fedora, slackware, and gentoo.
> 
> As for those that have it actually built into the cd itself, redhat and fedora do, as do debian and gentoo. gentoo's is still in the experimental stage, but will probably go stable soon. I'm working with the guy ti get out the last of the bugs. I'm not sure if slackware has it built into their cd sets honestly.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Darragh wrote:
> 
> > Are the only distributions supported though's which are on the ftp site
> > ftp.linux-speakup.org ?
> > 
> > I think I understand where this man is coming from.  H'es trying to find a
> > distrobution which is easy to use for beginners and which offers as much
> > technical support as possible.  I know he's a distributor of a lot of
> > distributions here so He's probably trying to make a sale.  However, He
> > definitly knows more than me about Linux so I'll keep in mind his
> > suggestions.
> > 
> > I'll ask one more time, is mandrake speakup enabled?
> > 
> > I know emacspeak is there but speakup is easier to work with for me at the
> > moment.  Until I learn how to set up emacspeak and viavoice.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > Darragh
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
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Re: fedora

[Darragh]

That's one thing I really love about some Distros of Linux, talking
installations.  You just cant beet that indipendance.

I'll go for slackware or Debian but again, on no site has it said that they
are easy for beginners to pick up.  On the other hand Mandrake and SuSE are
from what I've read renound for it.  I'm not mad about not having an similar
method for installing applications to RPM on Slackware, Debian has something
which I believe is similar to Red hat, Red hat 9 doesn't have gnome 2.4 or
Gnopernicus pree-configured

What's annoying me isn't finding a distribution really.  Its the fact that
Fedora includes what I want but I'm hearing that I should keep away from it
for a while until everything has been implimented and all the bugs have been
ireoned out.  People are also telling me that its not a very newby friendly
distribution.  The same people are persistantly telling me to move to
mandrake or SuSE, If I have to tell them once more that speakup isn't
available for it I'll go nuts.

Sorry for the quick rant, I just wanted people to know why I'm following
this line of questioning.

Oh, that's an interesting one.  What's harder, making speakup run on
Mandrake or SuSe or getting Gnome and Gnopernicus running on another system
which may or may not have an RPM based installation method.

Darragh

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: fedora


> slackware has it built into it's cd set. it's nice to be able to have
> a speakup install off a stock slackware disk.
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at
> 05:47:52PM -0600, Deedra Waters wrote:
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> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > I don't think that mandrake has speakup enabled in it, but I could be
wrong. Again, the distros that I know  of with speakup enabled are debian,
redhat, fedora, slackware, and gentoo.
> >
> > As for those that have it actually built into the cd itself, redhat and
fedora do, as do debian and gentoo. gentoo's is still in the experimental
stage, but will probably go stable soon. I'm working with the guy ti get out
the last of the bugs. I'm not sure if slackware has it built into their cd
sets honestly.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Darragh wrote:
> >
> > > Are the only distributions supported though's which are on the ftp
site
> > > ftp.linux-speakup.org ?
> > >
> > > I think I understand where this man is coming from.  H'es trying to
find a
> > > distrobution which is easy to use for beginners and which offers as
much
> > > technical support as possible.  I know he's a distributor of a lot of
> > > distributions here so He's probably trying to make a sale.  However,
He
> > > definitly knows more than me about Linux so I'll keep in mind his
> > > suggestions.
> > >
> > > I'll ask one more time, is mandrake speakup enabled?
> > >
> > > I know emacspeak is there but speakup is easier to work with for me at
the
> > > moment.  Until I learn how to set up emacspeak and viavoice.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > Darragh
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
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Re: fedora

[Lorenzo Prince]

Alex Snow staggered into view and mumbled:
> 1. where is the default kernel configuration located? I'd like to 
> rebuild my kernel with support for my synth built in but I don't want to 
> do a make config or menuconfig.

Your kernel config is located in /boot/config-<kernel-version>.  Just copy it to the top level of your source tree and 
save it appropriately, making any necessary modifications before make bzImage and make modules.

> 2.  How can I rerun setup to install more package groups? I didn't 
> install gnome at install time but I want to now.

You don't have to rerun setup.  Just type

yum install gnome

It should already be configured to install from the Fedora repository, so you don't have to do any special tweaking in 
order to get Gnome installed.  The command above will install Gnome and all its dependencies for you with no effort on 
your part.

PRINCE

Re: fedora

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209]

Your advisers are full of shit!!  Sorry, that's about as polite as I can
manage to say it.  I've been running Fedora since the beginning, and it
has given me no problems.  I've been recommending that everyone using RHL
upgrade to it.  If you're having a specific problem with Fedora, I'll do
my best to help you get it sorted.
-- 

Bill in Denver

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Darragh wrote:

> 
> What's annoying me isn't finding a distribution really.  Its the fact that
> Fedora includes what I want but I'm hearing that I should keep away from it
> for a while until everything has been implimented and all the bugs have been
> ireoned out.  People are also telling me that its not a very newby friendly
> distribution.  The same people are persistantly telling me to move to
> mandrake or SuSE, If I have to tell them once more that speakup isn't
> available for it I'll go nuts.

RE: fedora

[Sina Bahram]

I would have to concur with this. The only problems I have had with
Fedora are due to my own lack of experience with Linux. It has given me
no problems, in and of itself. I have also heard good things about it
from other users, both sighted and visually impaired.

Take care,
Sina

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WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:19 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: fedora


Your advisers are full of shit!!  Sorry, that's about as polite as I can
manage to say it.  I've been running Fedora since the beginning, and it
has given me no problems.  I've been recommending that everyone using
RHL upgrade to it.  If you're having a specific problem with Fedora,
I'll do my best to help you get it sorted.
-- 

Bill in Denver

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Darragh wrote:

> 
> What's annoying me isn't finding a distribution really.  Its the fact 
> that Fedora includes what I want but I'm hearing that I should keep 
> away from it for a while until everything has been implimented and all

> the bugs have been ireoned out.  People are also telling me that its 
> not a very newby friendly distribution.  The same people are 
> persistantly telling me to move to mandrake or SuSE, If I have to tell

> them once more that speakup isn't available for it I'll go nuts.

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Re: fedora

[Alex Snow]

the only problems I've had with it are caused by my lack of experience 
with redhat. I also find that it s=doesn't support older hardware very 
well. like the network configuration won't automatically find an isa 
card and it doesn't even come with the isapnptools package.
On Thu, Dec 
04, 2003 at 08:56:01PM -0500, Sina Bahram wrote:
> I would have to concur with this. The only problems I have had with
> Fedora are due to my own lack of experience with Linux. It has given me
> no problems, in and of itself. I have also heard good things about it
> from other users, both sighted and visually impaired.
> 
> Take care,
> Sina
> 
> No trees were destroyed in sending this message. However, a large number
> of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of William F. Acker
> WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:19 PM
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: fedora
> 
> 
> Your advisers are full of shit!!  Sorry, that's about as polite as I can
> manage to say it.  I've been running Fedora since the beginning, and it
> has given me no problems.  I've been recommending that everyone using
> RHL upgrade to it.  If you're having a specific problem with Fedora,
> I'll do my best to help you get it sorted.
> -- 
> 
> Bill in Denver
> 
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Darragh wrote:
> 
> > 
> > What's annoying me isn't finding a distribution really.  Its the fact 
> > that Fedora includes what I want but I'm hearing that I should keep 
> > away from it for a while until everything has been implimented and all
> 
> > the bugs have been ireoned out.  People are also telling me that its 
> > not a very newby friendly distribution.  The same people are 
> > persistantly telling me to move to mandrake or SuSE, If I have to tell
> 
> > them once more that speakup isn't available for it I'll go nuts.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: fedora

[Krister Ekstrom]

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Hi William,

On 4 Dec 2003 18:18:44  (my local time 5 dec 2003 02:18:44), you
typed::
WFAW1377> upgrade to it.  If you're having a specific
WFAW1377> problem with Fedora, I'll do
WFAW1377> my best to help you get it sorted.

I'm having a problem or i don't know if it indeed is a problem. I
can't get Fedora to talk from bootup. As soon as i reach the login
prompt, i can login as root and do a modprobe to get the speakup
working, but someone mentioned even being able to make Grub
accessible, which i would appreciate. I suppose you'll have to make an
initrd of some sort, but i can't remember the correct syntax for this.
TIA

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Re: Fedora

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, I did not know this.  What do I type to start the speech or what file on 
the CD contains this information?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: Fedora


> Probably we will do this. However, you should note that the Live CD
> comes with Orca and supports accessible login already.
>
> Janina
>
> Nick Gawronski writes:
>> Hi, speaking of fedora are there any plans to make a speakup modified
>> version of the new fedora live CD?On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Zachary Kline
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hiya,
>> >     Now that I have VMWare installed, I was wondering if anybody could 
>> > give me some information on how to carry out a Fedora install?  I've 
>> > looked on speakupmodified.org, and haven't found any installation 
>> > documentation there.
>> > Thanks muchly,
>> > Zack.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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>
> Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and 
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Re: Fedora

[Janina Sajka]

Probably we will do this. However, you should note that the Live CD
comes with Orca and supports accessible login already.

Janina

Nick Gawronski writes:
> Hi, speaking of fedora are there any plans to make a speakup modified
> version of the new fedora live CD?On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Zachary Kline
> wrote:
> 
> > Hiya,
> >     Now that I have VMWare installed, I was wondering if anybody could give me some information on how to carry out a Fedora install?  I've looked on speakupmodified.org, and haven't found any installation documentation there.
> > Thanks muchly,
> > Zack.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Fedora

[Nick Gawronski]

Hi, speaking of fedora are there any plans to make a speakup modified
version of the new fedora live CD?On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Zachary Kline
wrote:

> Hiya,
>     Now that I have VMWare installed, I was wondering if anybody could give me some information on how to carry out a Fedora install?  I've looked on speakupmodified.org, and haven't found any installation documentation there.
> Thanks muchly,
> Zack.
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Fedora

[Alex Snow]

The install howto for fedora is  linked to right from the 
speakupmodified.org homepage...don't know how you would miss it.
On 
Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 05:42:51PM -0700, Zachary Kline wrote:
> Hiya,
>     Now that I have VMWare installed, I was wondering if anybody could give me some information on how to carry out a Fedora install?  I've looked on speakupmodified.org, and haven't found any installation documentation there.
> Thanks muchly,
> Zack.
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Fedora

[Zachary Kline]

Hiya,
    Now that I have VMWare installed, I was wondering if anybody could give me some information on how to carry out a Fedora install?  I've looked on speakupmodified.org, and haven't found any installation documentation there.
Thanks muchly,
Zack.

Re: Fedora

[Janina Sajka]

Sean McMahon writes:
> Sinse you use both Fedora and Debian, does apt work like yum?  I don't mean tyhe
> commands just the ui and priorities?

Yes, I suppose. The UI is the CLI, and priorities are managed by the
package manager anyway, not these front ends for the package manager.

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Fedora
> 
> 
> > Your answers below:
> >
> > jim grimsby writes:
> >
> >
> > > Hi, first what kernel ships with Fedora. The one with speakup in it.r
> > 2.6.10-1.770_FC3spk is current.
> >
> >   2.
> > > is the sftsyn driver compiled in to the kernel.
> >
> > No. They're modules.
> >
> > > 3. I read on the apt how to that Fedora  uses apt.  So I can still use
> > > apt-get to get programs with it if I decide to use it on my linux box.
> >
> > Not exactly. Fedora does not ship apt. You'll not find it installed by
> > the Speakup Modified. However, it is available, should you prefer to use
> > it.
> >
> > The preferred package manager on Fedora is yum.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Fedora

[Sean McMahon]

Sinse you use both Fedora and Debian, does apt work like yum?  I don't mean tyhe
commands just the ui and priorities?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: Fedora


> Your answers below:
>
> jim grimsby writes:
>
>
> > Hi, first what kernel ships with Fedora. The one with speakup in it.r
> 2.6.10-1.770_FC3spk is current.
>
>   2.
> > is the sftsyn driver compiled in to the kernel.
>
> No. They're modules.
>
> > 3. I read on the apt how to that Fedora  uses apt.  So I can still use
> > apt-get to get programs with it if I decide to use it on my linux box.
>
> Not exactly. Fedora does not ship apt. You'll not find it installed by
> the Speakup Modified. However, it is available, should you prefer to use
> it.
>
> The preferred package manager on Fedora is yum.
>
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Re: Fedora

[Janina Sajka]

jim grimsby writes:
> 
>   2.
> > is the sftsyn driver compiled in to the kernel.
> 
> No. They're modules.
> Ok is that module included. 

Absolutely. For every supported synth. You just have to wire them
in--which is the business about creating an initrd as explained in the HOWTO.

> > 3. I read on the apt how to that Fedora  uses apt.  So I can still use
> 
> > apt-get to get programs with it if I decide to use it on my linux box.
> 
> Not exactly. Fedora does not ship apt. You'll not find it installed by
> the Speakup Modified. However, it is available, should you prefer to use
> it.
> 
> The preferred package manager on Fedora is yum.
> But I can use them both right?  So for example if I want to use apt to
> get speech-dispatcher I can but I should use yum as described in your
> wonderful how to install to update the distro. 

First, thanks for the compliment.

You can certainly use them both without trouble, because each is a front
end to rpm which does the real work. But, you'll not install
speech-dispatcher via apt or yum for the same reason, namely that no one
has created an rpm package for speech-dispatcher yet. 

> Also does it include emacs and emacspeak.  Thanks!


Yes, but you'll have to do the last steps to get emacspeak working by
hand. Furthermore, you'll probably want to upgrade emacspeak, which is
available in an rpm.

				Janina

RE: Fedora

[Dawes, Stephen]

Yes, both apt and yum can reside on the same Linux installation. You
don't need both. They have vary similar functionality. It is my
experience that you can do everything in yum that can be tone in apt. In
fact, it is also my experience that yum is far better in not corrupting
the rpm database. The trick to both of this package managers is
identifying where the repository of applications is located.

Some history for you:
-> 
Apt started out as a debian application management tool, hence the name.
Debian does not use the same application packager as Fedora for example.
Debian's packages are maintained in a ".deb" format, and that is about
all I know about the debian package structure.   
-> apt has been modified to work with RPMS, but the group that has done
the porting of apt to handle RPMS admits that it is not perfect.
-> Yum is built on the RPM platform. Yum stands for YellowDog Updater
Modified. YellowDog is just one of the many distributions using RPM for
the package manager.

Yum is installed by default, so why not use it. If it is simply because
you can't get a desired package, then you haven't pointed it to the
correct repository. This is going to happen with		 apt
also, so I would suggest instead of bashing one over the other, you
learn one well, and learn how to go and look for the repositories when
you don't get the application to install on your first try. 

man yum, RTFM, will give you a wealth of good information. 
Also google yum howto, and you will find some great information on all
that you can do with yum.   

Are there rpms for emacs speaks? You bet. I don't know the exact
location for them, but rpmfind or google will find them for you in a
heart beat. 


Lastly, If I am coming across a little to abrupt for you, it is because
it is early here, and you are getting this before my first cup of
coffee.

Steve Dawes
Phone: (403) 268-5527
Email: SDawes@calgary.ca
 
 



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RE: Fedora

[jim grimsby]

  2.
> is the sftsyn driver compiled in to the kernel.

No. They're modules.
Ok is that module included. 
> 3. I read on the apt how to that Fedora  uses apt.  So I can still use

> apt-get to get programs with it if I decide to use it on my linux box.

Not exactly. Fedora does not ship apt. You'll not find it installed by
the Speakup Modified. However, it is available, should you prefer to use
it.

The preferred package manager on Fedora is yum.
But I can use them both right?  So for example if I want to use apt to
get speech-dispatcher I can but I should use yum as described in your
wonderful how to install to update the distro. 
Also does it include emacs and emacspeak.  Thanks!
______________________________________________

Re: Fedora

[Janina Sajka]

Your answers below:

jim grimsby writes:


> Hi, first what kernel ships with Fedora. The one with speakup in it.r
2.6.10-1.770_FC3spk is current.

  2.
> is the sftsyn driver compiled in to the kernel.  

No. They're modules.

> 3. I read on the apt how to that Fedora  uses apt.  So I can still use
> apt-get to get programs with it if I decide to use it on my linux box.

Not exactly. Fedora does not ship apt. You'll not find it installed by
the Speakup Modified. However, it is available, should you prefer to use
it.

The preferred package manager on Fedora is yum.

Fedora

[jim grimsby]

Hi, first what kernel ships with Fedora. The one with speakup in it.  2.
is the sftsyn driver compiled in to the kernel.  
3. I read on the apt how to that Fedora  uses apt.  So I can still use
apt-get to get programs with it if I decide to use it on my linux box.
Still testing things out trying to decide witch distro I want to
preinstall.  
Thanks.  

Re: fedora

[Janina Sajka]

Glad to hear it all went smoothly, Pawel.

I need to put these instructions in the installation HOWTO which I'm
going to be updating over the next few weeks.

Pawe? Loba writes:
> From: Pawe? Loba <pl@adaptech.net>
> 
> Thanks a million Janina. It looks that I'm up and running. Got lucky 
> with this grub boot loader and issued a s right on time, rest was easy, 
> just to follow your instructions.
> 
> Appreciate it.
> Pawel.
>  
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > You have to do two things:
> > 
> > 1.)	 Get rid of first boot. To do this you have to boot to single
> > user mode. You may need sighted assistance for this, because you need to
> > issue this command at the right time, while the Grub boot loader is on
> > screen and available for commands. It's a window of about 10 seconds
> > right after bios initialization, and before Linux actually starts. Type:
> > 
> > a s
> > 
> > This should take you to a command prompt.
> > 
> > 2.)	 To start speakup at the command prompt type:
> > 
> > modprobe speakup_[synth.keyword]
> > 
> > where [synth.keyword] is the appropriate Speakup designation for your
> > speech synthesizer. For example, if your using DEC Talk Express, this
> > word becomes:
> > 
> > modprobe speakup_dectlk
> > 
> > 3.)	Now, with Speakup talking, you can get rid of first boot with:
> > 
> > chkconfig --level 0123456 firstboot off
> > 
> > If, also, you want your system only to boot into console mode, and not
> > to graphical mode, edit the file /etc/inittab and find the line that
> > says:
> > 
> > id:5:initdefault:
> > 
> > and change the 5 to a 3 so that it now says:
> > 
> > id:3:initdefault:
> > 
> > You can keep starting speakup this way if you want. But, to make it
> > start when you start your system, you need to create an initrd image
> > with speakup in it. This image replaces the one in your /boot directory.
> > Because you have to specify the kernel version, it's easiest to use the
> > [TAB] key to complete your command. So, to make this image and use the
> > [TAB] key to help you specify the command correctly, first:
> > 
> > cd /lib/modules
> > 
> > Then, type the following, pressing [TAB] where I've indicated it:
> > 
> > mkinitrd -v -f /boot/initrd-[TAB] --with=speakup_[synth.keyword]
> > 2.4[TAB]
> > 
> > Once this command runs, read up the screen from the bottom a few lines.
> > Make sure it's saying something about speakup. If it is, you're all set.
> > 
> > If you get stuck on any of this, just call Bill.
> > 
> > Good luck!
> > 
> > 
> > Pawe? Loba writes:
> > > From: Pawe? Loba <pl@adaptech.net>
> > > 
> > > Hi: I just installed fedora on my system. Can you kindly remind me how to 
> > > make this thing to talk to me, please? Of course, I used Bill's speakup 
> > > enabled images for the installation.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Pawel.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Re: fedora

[Paweł Loba]

Thanks a million Janina. It looks that I'm up and running. Got lucky 
with this grub boot loader and issued a s right on time, rest was easy, 
just to follow your instructions.

Appreciate it.
Pawel.
 
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Janina Sajka wrote:

> You have to do two things:
> 
> 1.)	 Get rid of first boot. To do this you have to boot to single
> user mode. You may need sighted assistance for this, because you need to
> issue this command at the right time, while the Grub boot loader is on
> screen and available for commands. It's a window of about 10 seconds
> right after bios initialization, and before Linux actually starts. Type:
> 
> a s
> 
> This should take you to a command prompt.
> 
> 2.)	 To start speakup at the command prompt type:
> 
> modprobe speakup_[synth.keyword]
> 
> where [synth.keyword] is the appropriate Speakup designation for your
> speech synthesizer. For example, if your using DEC Talk Express, this
> word becomes:
> 
> modprobe speakup_dectlk
> 
> 3.)	Now, with Speakup talking, you can get rid of first boot with:
> 
> chkconfig --level 0123456 firstboot off
> 
> If, also, you want your system only to boot into console mode, and not
> to graphical mode, edit the file /etc/inittab and find the line that
> says:
> 
> id:5:initdefault:
> 
> and change the 5 to a 3 so that it now says:
> 
> id:3:initdefault:
> 
> You can keep starting speakup this way if you want. But, to make it
> start when you start your system, you need to create an initrd image
> with speakup in it. This image replaces the one in your /boot directory.
> Because you have to specify the kernel version, it's easiest to use the
> [TAB] key to complete your command. So, to make this image and use the
> [TAB] key to help you specify the command correctly, first:
> 
> cd /lib/modules
> 
> Then, type the following, pressing [TAB] where I've indicated it:
> 
> mkinitrd -v -f /boot/initrd-[TAB] --with=speakup_[synth.keyword]
> 2.4[TAB]
> 
> Once this command runs, read up the screen from the bottom a few lines.
> Make sure it's saying something about speakup. If it is, you're all set.
> 
> If you get stuck on any of this, just call Bill.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> 
> Pawe? Loba writes:
> > From: Pawe? Loba <pl@adaptech.net>
> > 
> > Hi: I just installed fedora on my system. Can you kindly remind me how to 
> > make this thing to talk to me, please? Of course, I used Bill's speakup 
> > enabled images for the installation.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Pawel.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 

Re: fedora

[Janina Sajka]

You have to do two things:

1.)	 Get rid of first boot. To do this you have to boot to single
user mode. You may need sighted assistance for this, because you need to
issue this command at the right time, while the Grub boot loader is on
screen and available for commands. It's a window of about 10 seconds
right after bios initialization, and before Linux actually starts. Type:

a s

This should take you to a command prompt.

2.)	 To start speakup at the command prompt type:

modprobe speakup_[synth.keyword]

where [synth.keyword] is the appropriate Speakup designation for your
speech synthesizer. For example, if your using DEC Talk Express, this
word becomes:

modprobe speakup_dectlk

3.)	Now, with Speakup talking, you can get rid of first boot with:

chkconfig --level 0123456 firstboot off

If, also, you want your system only to boot into console mode, and not
to graphical mode, edit the file /etc/inittab and find the line that
says:

id:5:initdefault:

and change the 5 to a 3 so that it now says:

id:3:initdefault:

You can keep starting speakup this way if you want. But, to make it
start when you start your system, you need to create an initrd image
with speakup in it. This image replaces the one in your /boot directory.
Because you have to specify the kernel version, it's easiest to use the
[TAB] key to complete your command. So, to make this image and use the
[TAB] key to help you specify the command correctly, first:

cd /lib/modules

Then, type the following, pressing [TAB] where I've indicated it:

mkinitrd -v -f /boot/initrd-[TAB] --with=speakup_[synth.keyword]
2.4[TAB]

Once this command runs, read up the screen from the bottom a few lines.
Make sure it's saying something about speakup. If it is, you're all set.

If you get stuck on any of this, just call Bill.

Good luck!


Pawe? Loba writes:
> From: Pawe? Loba <pl@adaptech.net>
> 
> Hi: I just installed fedora on my system. Can you kindly remind me how to 
> make this thing to talk to me, please? Of course, I used Bill's speakup 
> enabled images for the installation.
> 
> Thanks,
> Pawel.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

fedora

[Paweł Loba]

Hi: I just installed fedora on my system. Can you kindly remind me how to 
make this thing to talk to me, please? Of course, I used Bill's speakup 
enabled images for the installation.

Thanks,
Pawel.

Re: Fedora

[Janina Sajka]

No Speakup Modified Fedora documentation yet, but the process if very
much the same as that for Red Hat 9 for which there is still an
installation HOWTO.

At a minimum you need the three *-i386-disc?.iso images, and possibly
the boot.iso as well. yOU WOULD ONLY NEED THE BOOT.ISO IF YOU'RE
INSTALLING FROM ISO IMAGES ON YOUR HARD DISK AND DON'T HAVE lINUX
ALREADY--MJEANING THE ABILITY TO LOOP MOUNT AND GET THE BOOT.ISO OFF THE
FIRST I386 ISO DISC.


Ryan Mann writes:
> From: Ryan Mann <rmann@rmisp.net>
> 
> Hi.  Is there Documentation on the Speakup FTP site about installing
> Fedora?  I was thinking about trying it out, but I didn't find any
> documentation about what iso images to download in order to install it.
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

Fedora

[Ryan Mann]

Hi.  Is there Documentation on the Speakup FTP site about installing
Fedora?  I was thinking about trying it out, but I didn't find any
documentation about what iso images to download in order to install it.


Thanks.

Re: fedora

[Lorenzo Prince]

Fedora needs to be modified to use Speakup.  At this point, from what I've seen on the test list, there are still some 
technical issues dealing with the modularity, /proc interface and some security issues (undisclosed to the general 
public at this point) which still need to be addressed before reconsidering it for inclusion in the stock kernel.  It 
may, however, be possible to try to get it included in the Fedora Extras or Alternatives repositories even now.

PRINCE

Re: fedora

[Janina Sajka]

Speakup is not included with Fedora Core 1.0

I think you can, however, count on a Speakup Modified Fedora Core in
fairly short order.

Alex Snow writes:
> From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> 
> Does fedora come stock with speakup or will one have to modify the stock 
> distro to include speakup if they want to give it a try?
> 
> -- 
> Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net		
Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org

fedora

[Alex Snow]

Does fedora come stock with speakup or will one have to modify the stock 
distro to include speakup if they want to give it a try?

-- 
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?