Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Terry D. Cudney]

Hi Anne and everyone,

	Linux can be >made< to run on pretty much "any" hardware, given enough time/effort/dedication to porting linux to that hardware.

	To write a driver for a particular device, one has to either get the specifications of that hardware device from the manufacturer and then write the software device driver for it. that's the easy way... If the manufacturer refuses to make the specifications available for his device, either you forget it, or "reverse engineer" the device, which probably breaks some copyright/patent laws and almost certainly voids any warranty you may have from the manufacturer.

	The term "proprietary" means that the manufacturer will not make the specifications available.

	that being said... Linux is running on a wide range of hardware, as has been said. As for PDA's, it currently is running on HP Ipaq's and a couple of others. There is a very active group working on a port to the Dell Axiom x50/x50v.

	If you want linux on a small handheld device (I do)... pick the device you want and do some googling t see if linux is available for that device.... If it is, you're laughing. Ifnot, you have three options: 1) get to work and port linux to the device yourself, 2) wait and watch to see if/when someone else does it, or 3) choose a different device.

	Be aware though that if you are not up to the task of porting linux to  your chosen device (it is no small task at best), people who are capable of doing it will not usually take well to you complaining about it not being done... You complaining will NOT accelerate the process.

	There is one hurdle that must be addressed too, even after linux is running on your chosen device. If you want speakup on that device you will almost certainly want software speech on that small device, and currently that is a large hurdle to get over. 

	So, if you want linux on your braille note, go ahead...

	--terry

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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

If keysoft or who ever the hell owns the thing doesn't give you the info 
doesn't give you the info, I say reverse the thing!
lol.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terry D. Cudney" <terry.cudney@gmail.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> Hi Anne and everyone,
>
> Linux can be >made< to run on pretty much "any" hardware, given enough 
> time/effort/dedication to porting linux to that hardware.
>
> To write a driver for a particular device, one has to either get the 
> specifications of that hardware device from the manufacturer and then 
> write the software device driver for it. that's the easy way... If the 
> manufacturer refuses to make the specifications available for his device, 
> either you forget it, or "reverse engineer" the device, which probably 
> breaks some copyright/patent laws and almost certainly voids any warranty 
> you may have from the manufacturer.
>
> The term "proprietary" means that the manufacturer will not make the 
> specifications available.
>
> that being said... Linux is running on a wide range of hardware, as has 
> been said. As for PDA's, it currently is running on HP Ipaq's and a couple 
> of others. There is a very active group working on a port to the Dell 
> Axiom x50/x50v.
>
> If you want linux on a small handheld device (I do)... pick the device you 
> want and do some googling t see if linux is available for that device.... 
> If it is, you're laughing. Ifnot, you have three options: 1) get to work 
> and port linux to the device yourself, 2) wait and watch to see if/when 
> someone else does it, or 3) choose a different device.
>
> Be aware though that if you are not up to the task of porting linux to 
> your chosen device (it is no small task at best), people who are capable 
> of doing it will not usually take well to you complaining about it not 
> being done... You complaining will NOT accelerate the process.
>
> There is one hurdle that must be addressed too, even after linux is 
> running on your chosen device. If you want speakup on that device you will 
> almost certainly want software speech on that small device, and currently 
> that is a large hurdle to get over.
>
> So, if you want linux on your braille note, go ahead...
>
> --terry
>
> -- 
>
> Name: Terry D. Cudney
> Phone: (705) 422-0039
> E-mail: terry.cudney@gmail.com
>
> Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like...
> having a peeing sectionin a swimming pool.
>
> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
>
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RE: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Dawes, Stephen]

Sharp also has a PDA that is using linux called the zaurus.
The latest model number that I found is the sl-6000, and it sounds like
a sweet little unit.


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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Thomas Stivers]

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On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 08:32:05 AM -0500, Ann K. Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> No, the BrailleNote's OS is Window-CE, but it's interface is
> proprietory.  You cannot put Linux on it.  You can, however use BrlTTY
> with a PC running Linux.  Sorry, but that's the story.

Well when I got it my pc's OS was windows 98 and its interface was
claimed to pe proprietary. Windows CE isn't magic or anything, it runs
on processors just like linux. I believe the bn uses an xscale processor
or some such which if it isn't supported yet likely will be at some
point. A big difficulty likely to be encountered is with geting
specifications for the hardware out of humanware without them wanting an
NDA signed. That was IIRC a big part of the problem in supporting the
keynote synthesizers with speakup. Without specifications its left to
developers to reverse engineer protocols and such for using the
hardware. Given that we have a very limited group of developers, myself
definitely excluded, with the skills to do all this work and we don't
have the whole big world of linux developers hacking on braillenotes
linux on a bn isn't impossible by any means, but will take a lot of time
and interest from people with knowhow.

Well there's my take, and now its time for me to work on getting more of
that knowhow I was talking about.

P.S. if you really want linux, brltty, and speakup on a braillenote send
a BN to Linus, Kirk, and whoever the brltty guy is, and hell if you have
that kind of money you can send one my way too. *grin*

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by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan

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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

there are a lot of processors that are built into linux rite now that I am 
sure weren't supported a long time ago. If you say "No, we can't do it", 
then we can't. Same thing with every day life. If someone puts you on a 
computer for your first time, and you say "no, I can't do it," then you 
can't, personally, who ever thought of the idea of taking the text to speech 
was a freaken genious! And, he didn't let himself get held back, he didn't 
say I can't use a computer, just because someone hasn't done it for me. He 
got off his butt and did it!

Tyler Littlefield.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Stivers" <stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


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> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 08:32:05 AM -0500, Ann K. Parsons wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> No, the BrailleNote's OS is Window-CE, but it's interface is
>> proprietory.  You cannot put Linux on it.  You can, however use BrlTTY
>> with a PC running Linux.  Sorry, but that's the story.
>
> Well when I got it my pc's OS was windows 98 and its interface was
> claimed to pe proprietary. Windows CE isn't magic or anything, it runs
> on processors just like linux. I believe the bn uses an xscale processor
> or some such which if it isn't supported yet likely will be at some
> point. A big difficulty likely to be encountered is with geting
> specifications for the hardware out of humanware without them wanting an
> NDA signed. That was IIRC a big part of the problem in supporting the
> keynote synthesizers with speakup. Without specifications its left to
> developers to reverse engineer protocols and such for using the
> hardware. Given that we have a very limited group of developers, myself
> definitely excluded, with the skills to do all this work and we don't
> have the whole big world of linux developers hacking on braillenotes
> linux on a bn isn't impossible by any means, but will take a lot of time
> and interest from people with knowhow.
>
> Well there's my take, and now its time for me to work on getting more of
> that knowhow I was talking about.
>
> P.S. if you really want linux, brltty, and speakup on a braillenote send
> a BN to Linus, Kirk, and whoever the brltty guy is, and hell if you have
> that kind of money you can send one my way too. *grin*
>
> - -- 
> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
> by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
>
> Thomas Stivers e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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Linux on BrailleNotes

[Chris Norman]

Hi people,
Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which will 
work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?

Cheers,

Chris Norman
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 08:55:43PM EST, Chris Norman wrote:
> Hi people,
> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which will 
> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?

No, and I am quite sure there won't be for a long time to come, if ever.
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

Why do you say that. grant it that humanware won't be involved doing  
something like that but what is stopping us as a blin community of  
blind programmers and such to not look in to this such as the linux  
community looking in to linux on everything from PDA's to mp3 players  
and cell phones etc. why do we always have but be limited and just  
choose to stay that way?


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> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 08:55:43PM EST, Chris Norman wrote:
>> Hi people,
>> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution  
>> which will
>> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>
> No, and I am quite sure there won't be for a long time to come, if  
> ever.
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> Luke Yelavich
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Ann K. Parsons]

Hi all,

Nothing wrong with your ideas, Chris, they're just a mite misplaced.
If you could revamp a BN like that you'd disrupt your warrantee,
you'd probably wreck the machine and all.  You might try it on a
PacMate, but I dunnow as you'd have any luck.  If you want a notetaker
with Linux, buy an Elba.

As for putting Linux on a PDA, it's being done.  Just do a mite more
research.

Ann P.

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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

Anne:
I have no idea why youu come out of left field with thhese negitive  
views. and don't know where you really think liinux on a bn is not  
possible. what facts do you have to support that claim
On Feb 1, 2006, at 7:14 AM, Ann K. Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Nothing wrong with your ideas, Chris, they're just a mite misplaced.
> If you could revamp a BN like that you'd disrupt your warrantee,
> you'd probably wreck the machine and all.  You might try it on a
> PacMate, but I dunnow as you'd have any luck.  If you want a notetaker
> with Linux, buy an Elba.
>
> As for putting Linux on a PDA, it's being done.  Just do a mite more
> research.
>
> Ann P.
>
> -- 
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> email:  akp@eznet.net 			
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> Skype:  Putertutor
> "All that is gold does not glitter.
> Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>
>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[David Poehlman]

anyone seen a new elba lately?  The bn would be betterr off it were  
linux.

-- 
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With his:
Hands-On Technolog(eye)s


On Feb 1, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Ann K. Parsons wrote:

Hi all,

Nothing wrong with your ideas, Chris, they're just a mite misplaced.
If you could revamp a BN like that you'd disrupt your warrantee,
you'd probably wreck the machine and all.  You might try it on a
PacMate, but I dunnow as you'd have any luck.  If you want a notetaker
with Linux, buy an Elba.

As for putting Linux on a PDA, it's being done.  Just do a mite more
research.

Ann P.

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Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT


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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

I could say for a fact that the pk has a keynote gold chip in it.
On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:40 PM, David Poehlman wrote:

> anyone seen a new elba lately?  The bn would be betterr off it were
> linux.
>
> -- 
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Ann K. Parsons wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Nothing wrong with your ideas, Chris, they're just a mite misplaced.
> If you could revamp a BN like that you'd disrupt your warrantee,
> you'd probably wreck the machine and all.  You might try it on a
> PacMate, but I dunnow as you'd have any luck.  If you want a notetaker
> with Linux, buy an Elba.
>
> As for putting Linux on a PDA, it's being done.  Just do a mite more
> research.
>
> Ann P.
>
> -- 
> 			Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> Skype:  Putertutor
> "All that is gold does not glitter.
> Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>
>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Gregory Nowak]

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Well, that's good to know in the case of the pk. However, the freesoft
team can tell you, and everyone else with a very good amount of
certainty that there is no such chip in the older units, so software
speech would still need to be used for them.

Greg


On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 04:45:40PM -0700, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net wrote:
> I could say for a fact that the pk has a keynote gold chip in it.

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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

the bn would be better off in the recycle bin. lol
Tyler Littlefield.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: <akp@eznet.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> anyone seen a new elba lately?  The bn would be betterr off it were
> linux.
>
> -- 
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Ann K. Parsons wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Nothing wrong with your ideas, Chris, they're just a mite misplaced.
> If you could revamp a BN like that you'd disrupt your warrantee,
> you'd probably wreck the machine and all.  You might try it on a
> PacMate, but I dunnow as you'd have any luck.  If you want a notetaker
> with Linux, buy an Elba.
>
> As for putting Linux on a PDA, it's being done.  Just do a mite more
> research.
>
> Ann P.
>
> -- 
> Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> Skype:  Putertutor
> "All that is gold does not glitter.
> Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[David Poehlman]

or in the incinerator.

-- 
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With his:
Hands-On Technolog(eye)s


On Feb 1, 2006, at 8:15 PM, tyler wrote:

the bn would be better off in the recycle bin. lol
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: <akp@eznet.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> anyone seen a new elba lately?  The bn would be betterr off it were
> linux.
>
> -- 
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Ann K. Parsons wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Nothing wrong with your ideas, Chris, they're just a mite misplaced.
> If you could revamp a BN like that you'd disrupt your warrantee,
> you'd probably wreck the machine and all.  You might try it on a
> PacMate, but I dunnow as you'd have any luck.  If you want a notetaker
> with Linux, buy an Elba.
>
> As for putting Linux on a PDA, it's being done.  Just do a mite more
> research.
>
> Ann P.
>
> -- 
> Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> Skype:  Putertutor
> "All that is gold does not glitter.
> Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Travis Siegel]

Why not?  What cpu do they have? It shouldn't be difficult to compile  
a kernel that will work on thhem assuming they have a standard cpu  
that is already supported by linux.  They use serial interfaces to  
talk to external devices, so why wouldn't it be possible to make  
linux work on them? Of course, it would have to be built from the  
ground up, but with the amount of tools available, it should  
definitely be possible.  I'd actually buy one if I could put linux on  
it, it may actually be worth something then.
On Feb 1, 2006, at 5:13 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote:

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>> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution  
>> which will
>> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>
> No, and I am quite sure there won't be for a long time to come, if  
> ever.
> - --
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

lol, I agree there.

Tyler Littlefield.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> Why not?  What cpu do they have? It shouldn't be difficult to compile  
> a kernel that will work on thhem assuming they have a standard cpu  
> that is already supported by linux.  They use serial interfaces to  
> talk to external devices, so why wouldn't it be possible to make  
> linux work on them? Of course, it would have to be built from the  
> ground up, but with the amount of tools available, it should  
> definitely be possible.  I'd actually buy one if I could put linux on  
> it, it may actually be worth something then.
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 5:13 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote:
> 
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>>> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution  
>>> which will
>>> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>>
>> No, and I am quite sure there won't be for a long time to come, if  
>> ever.
>> - --
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[David Poehlman]

one word. Microsoft.

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On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:

Hi people,
Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which will
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Charles Hallenbeck]

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On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 05:39:55AM -0500, David Poehlman wrote:
> one word. Microsoft.
> 


That's two words.
> -- 
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
> 
> Hi people,
> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which will
> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris Norman
> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
> 
> 
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Glenn at home]

No, it's a compound word.
Glenn

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


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On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 05:39:55AM -0500, David Poehlman wrote:
> one word. Microsoft.
> 


That's two words.
> -- 
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
> 
> Hi people,
> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which will
> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris Norman
> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
> 
> 
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

lmao, and, why does microcrap affect if you can put a good os on a good 
piece of equipment or not? they don't affect if you can do it on a pc do 
they? if so.... I think someone had better make use of the unsubscribe links 
at the bottom of this email, because they apparently don't know what linux 
is.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> No, it's a compound word.
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>
> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 05:39:55AM -0500, David Poehlman wrote:
>> one word. Microsoft.
>>
>
>
> That's two words.
>> -- 
>> Jonnie Apple Seed
>> With his:
>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
>>
>> Hi people,
>> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which will
>> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Norman
>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>>
>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Glenn at home]

What are you referring to here?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tyler" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


lmao, and, why does microcrap affect if you can put a good os on a good
piece of equipment or not? they don't affect if you can do it on a pc do
they? if so.... I think someone had better make use of the unsubscribe links
at the bottom of this email, because they apparently don't know what linux
is.
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> No, it's a compound word.
> Glenn
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 05:39:55AM -0500, David Poehlman wrote:
>> one word. Microsoft.
>>
>
>
> That's two words.
>> -- 
>> Jonnie Apple Seed
>> With his:
>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
>>
>> Hi people,
>> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which will
>> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Norman
>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>>
>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

"one word, microsoft"
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> What are you referring to here?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "tyler" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
> To: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>; "Speakup is a screen review
> system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
> lmao, and, why does microcrap affect if you can put a good os on a good
> piece of equipment or not? they don't affect if you can do it on a pc do
> they? if so.... I think someone had better make use of the unsubscribe 
> links
> at the bottom of this email, because they apparently don't know what linux
> is.
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> No, it's a compound word.
>> Glenn
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Charles Hallenbeck" <chuckh@hhs48.com>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>>
>>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 05:39:55AM -0500, David Poehlman wrote:
>>> one word. Microsoft.
>>>
>>
>>
>> That's two words.
>>> -- 
>>> Jonnie Apple Seed
>>> With his:
>>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi people,
>>> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which will
>>> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Chris Norman
>>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

You know, I have thought about this for along time, and have thought  
about how to go about iit. but never got started on thhe beginning  
points of it, but believe mme, it crossed y mind a million times to  
just say "Foget humanware and they crappy customer service" and just  
some how get linux on my braillenote pk.

On Feb 1, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:

> Hi people,
> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which  
> will
> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris Norman
> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>
>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[David Poehlman]

As I understand it, not only the software but the hardware is  
proprietary inside.  You'd have to wipe it and start over.

-- 
Jonnie Apple Seed
With his:
Hands-On Technolog(eye)s


On Feb 1, 2006, at 7:41 AM, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net wrote:

You know, I have thought about this for along time, and have thought
about how to go about iit. but never got started on thhe beginning
points of it, but believe mme, it crossed y mind a million times to
just say "Foget humanware and they crappy customer service" and just
some how get linux on my braillenote pk.

On Feb 1, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:

> Hi people,
> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which
> will
> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris Norman
> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>
>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

understandable to a point. the arm 400mhz processor is not  
propriitary. and there is a brltty driver for the bralle display. I  
don't think a task would be that difficult if the blind programmers  
got together and wanted to get it done.
On Feb 1, 2006, at 5:57 AM, David Poehlman wrote:

> As I understand it, not only the software but the hardware is
> proprietary inside.  You'd have to wipe it and start over.
>
> -- 
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 7:41 AM, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net wrote:
>
> You know, I have thought about this for along time, and have thought
> about how to go about iit. but never got started on thhe beginning
> points of it, but believe mme, it crossed y mind a million times to
> just say "Foget humanware and they crappy customer service" and just
> some how get linux on my braillenote pk.
>
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
>
>> Hi people,
>> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which
>> will
>> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Norman
>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[hank smith]

what about the packmate?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> As I understand it, not only the software but the hardware is  
> proprietary inside.  You'd have to wipe it and start over.
> 
> -- 
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 7:41 AM, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net wrote:
> 
> You know, I have thought about this for along time, and have thought
> about how to go about iit. but never got started on thhe beginning
> points of it, but believe mme, it crossed y mind a million times to
> just say "Foget humanware and they crappy customer service" and just
> some how get linux on my braillenote pk.
> 
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
> 
>> Hi people,
>> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which
>> will
>> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Norman
>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[David Poehlman]

 From what I used to know about the pac mate, it was built of more  
standard stuff.

-- 
Jonnie Apple Seed
With his:
Hands-On Technolog(eye)s


On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:02 PM, hank smith wrote:

what about the packmate?
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> As I understand it, not only the software but the hardware is
> proprietary inside.  You'd have to wipe it and start over.
>
> -- 
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 7:41 AM, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net wrote:
>
> You know, I have thought about this for along time, and have thought
> about how to go about iit. but never got started on thhe beginning
> points of it, but believe mme, it crossed y mind a million times to
> just say "Foget humanware and they crappy customer service" and just
> some how get linux on my braillenote pk.
>
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
>
>> Hi people,
>> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which
>> will
>> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Chris Norman
>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

it also uses a different platform though, from what I understand, still 
windows, but a different version, don't ask me any more, I am just going off 
a vague memory, (what I remember from a presentation) from some fts guys, 
bragging that they were 1 out of 12 to use it, and the bn didn't have it...
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From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "hank smith" <hanksmith4@earthlink.net>; "Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> From what I used to know about the pac mate, it was built of more
> standard stuff.
>
> -- 
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:02 PM, hank smith wrote:
>
> what about the packmate?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> As I understand it, not only the software but the hardware is
>> proprietary inside.  You'd have to wipe it and start over.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jonnie Apple Seed
>> With his:
>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 7:41 AM, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net wrote:
>>
>> You know, I have thought about this for along time, and have thought
>> about how to go about iit. but never got started on thhe beginning
>> points of it, but believe mme, it crossed y mind a million times to
>> just say "Foget humanware and they crappy customer service" and just
>> some how get linux on my braillenote pk.
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi people,
>>> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which
>>> will
>>> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Chris Norman
>>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Gregory Nowak]

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- From what I understand, the pm does indeed run a version of pocket
2002 or 3 I think, that was modified by FS to support a physical
keyboard, as opposed to a touch one.

Greg


On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 05:14:30PM -0800, tyler wrote:
> it also uses a different platform though, from what I understand, still 
> windows, but a different version, don't ask me any more, I am just going off 
> a vague memory, (what I remember from a presentation) from some fts guys, 
> bragging that they were 1 out of 12 to use it, and the bn didn't have it...
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]

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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[David Poehlman]

Actually, it is possible to use pocket windows with a keyboard  
without mods.  The fs family as I understand it did less reverse  
engineering of the os than did the humanware family but I have no way  
of knowing this for a fact.

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On Feb 1, 2006, at 7:22 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:

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- From what I understand, the pm does indeed run a version of pocket
2002 or 3 I think, that was modified by FS to support a physical
keyboard, as opposed to a touch one.

Greg


On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 05:14:30PM -0800, tyler wrote:
> it also uses a different platform though, from what I understand,  
> still
> windows, but a different version, don't ask me any more, I am just  
> going off
> a vague memory, (what I remember from a presentation) from some fts  
> guys,
> bragging that they were 1 out of 12 to use it, and the bn didn't  
> have it...
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]

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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Garrett Klein]

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Theoretically it could be done... there is a port of Linux to the arm architecture. The main issues I would see, as I've thought about something similar for a PAC Mate, are:

1. Analising, reverse-engineering, and re-flashing the rom.
2. (this wouldn't necessarily be needed for the PAC Mate since its braille display uses a modified USB connector) analising/reverse-engineering the bus/communications protocol between the processor and the braille display.
3. Modifying brltty and the kernel to work with said bus/protocol.
4. Getting something like flite ported and integrated into the firmware (it would all have to be burned into rom).
5. Getting the braille keyboard working, which would most likely involve a completely revamped console/keymap system. Oh, the horror and nightmares that would result from that!
6. Grade 2 Braille support, and back/forward translation (even more terrifying than number 5!).
7. Creating a UI that's at least somewhat similar to KeySoft.

	I don't claim to be an expert at such things, but I consider myself knowledgable enough when it comes to a general understanding of how to get many things accomplished with computers. There's probably tons of stuff that would also have to be accounted for, but once you've got the rom hacked and the hardware drivers written everything else is just a question of effort and perseverence.

Garrett

On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 07:57:31AM -0500, David Poehlman wrote:
> As I understand it, not only the software but the hardware is  
> proprietary inside.  You'd have to wipe it and start over.
> 
> -- 
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 7:41 AM, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net wrote:
> 
> You know, I have thought about this for along time, and have thought
> about how to go about iit. but never got started on thhe beginning
> points of it, but believe mme, it crossed y mind a million times to
> just say "Foget humanware and they crappy customer service" and just
> some how get linux on my braillenote pk.
> 
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
> 
> > Hi people,
> > Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which
> > will
> > work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Chris Norman
> > <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
> >
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

why does everyone want software speech? we got that horrid keynote  
gold crap chip built in. or is it that no one has wrote a driver to  
use it yet?
On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Garrett Klein wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA512
>
> Theoretically it could be done... there is a port of Linux to the  
> arm architecture. The main issues I would see, as I've thought  
> about something similar for a PAC Mate, are:
>
> 1. Analising, reverse-engineering, and re-flashing the rom.
> 2. (this wouldn't necessarily be needed for the PAC Mate since its  
> braille display uses a modified USB connector) analising/reverse- 
> engineering the bus/communications protocol between the processor  
> and the braille display.
> 3. Modifying brltty and the kernel to work with said bus/protocol.
> 4. Getting something like flite ported and integrated into the  
> firmware (it would all have to be burned into rom).
> 5. Getting the braille keyboard working, which would most likely  
> involve a completely revamped console/keymap system. Oh, the horror  
> and nightmares that would result from that!
> 6. Grade 2 Braille support, and back/forward translation (even more  
> terrifying than number 5!).
> 7. Creating a UI that's at least somewhat similar to KeySoft.
>
> 	I don't claim to be an expert at such things, but I consider  
> myself knowledgable enough when it comes to a general understanding  
> of how to get many things accomplished with computers. There's  
> probably tons of stuff that would also have to be accounted for,  
> but once you've got the rom hacked and the hardware drivers written  
> everything else is just a question of effort and perseverence.
>
> Garrett
>
> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 07:57:31AM -0500, David Poehlman wrote:
>> As I understand it, not only the software but the hardware is
>> proprietary inside.  You'd have to wipe it and start over.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jonnie Apple Seed
>> With his:
>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 7:41 AM, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net wrote:
>>
>> You know, I have thought about this for along time, and have thought
>> about how to go about iit. but never got started on thhe beginning
>> points of it, but believe mme, it crossed y mind a million times to
>> just say "Foget humanware and they crappy customer service" and just
>> some how get linux on my braillenote pk.
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi people,
>>> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which
>>> will
>>> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Chris Norman
>>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Gregory Nowak]

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Well, everyone wants software speech, because that's what we have
right now under wince. There is no keynote gold chip, there's instead
a keynote dll.

As for the idea posted earlier about burning the ROM, keep in mind
that the ROM is limitted in size, especially on the older units, since
my understanding is that the pk and mpower have more ROM, which is
flashable as well, so no need to pull out the ROM on the newer
units. Yes, you can put the kernel and a ramdisk in ROM, but
everything else will have to run off the flash disk, or maybe a
pcmcia/cf drive.

Greg



On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 03:58:48PM -0700, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net wrote:
> why does everyone want software speech? we got that horrid keynote  
> gold crap chip built in. or is it that no one has wrote a driver to  
> use it yet?

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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

nothing wrong with that... then you can have multiple operating systems. but 
what is this about buring the rom? isn't rom read only memory? made so you 
can't change it?
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From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>
> Well, everyone wants software speech, because that's what we have
> right now under wince. There is no keynote gold chip, there's instead
> a keynote dll.
>
> As for the idea posted earlier about burning the ROM, keep in mind
> that the ROM is limitted in size, especially on the older units, since
> my understanding is that the pk and mpower have more ROM, which is
> flashable as well, so no need to pull out the ROM on the newer
> units. Yes, you can put the kernel and a ramdisk in ROM, but
> everything else will have to run off the flash disk, or maybe a
> pcmcia/cf drive.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 03:58:48PM -0700, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net 
> wrote:
>> why does everyone want software speech? we got that horrid keynote
>> gold crap chip built in. or is it that no one has wrote a driver to
>> use it yet?
>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[David Poehlman]

naah, you can flash the rom or is it prom but anyway, it's the same  
way you do firmware updates.

-- 
Jonnie Apple Seed
With his:
Hands-On Technolog(eye)s


On Feb 1, 2006, at 8:15 PM, tyler wrote:

nothing wrong with that... then you can have multiple operating  
systems. but
what is this about buring the rom? isn't rom read only memory? made  
so you
can't change it?
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Well, everyone wants software speech, because that's what we have
> right now under wince. There is no keynote gold chip, there's instead
> a keynote dll.
>
> As for the idea posted earlier about burning the ROM, keep in mind
> that the ROM is limitted in size, especially on the older units, since
> my understanding is that the pk and mpower have more ROM, which is
> flashable as well, so no need to pull out the ROM on the newer
> units. Yes, you can put the kernel and a ramdisk in ROM, but
> everything else will have to run off the flash disk, or maybe a
> pcmcia/cf drive.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 03:58:48PM -0700, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net
> wrote:
>> why does everyone want software speech? we got that horrid keynote
>> gold crap chip built in. or is it that no one has wrote a driver to
>> use it yet?
>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

but, if as we talk about wiping the thing out, horid shit is gone...
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From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> why does everyone want software speech? we got that horrid keynote  
> gold crap chip built in. or is it that no one has wrote a driver to  
> use it yet?
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Garrett Klein wrote:
> 
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA512
>>
>> Theoretically it could be done... there is a port of Linux to the  
>> arm architecture. The main issues I would see, as I've thought  
>> about something similar for a PAC Mate, are:
>>
>> 1. Analising, reverse-engineering, and re-flashing the rom.
>> 2. (this wouldn't necessarily be needed for the PAC Mate since its  
>> braille display uses a modified USB connector) analising/reverse- 
>> engineering the bus/communications protocol between the processor  
>> and the braille display.
>> 3. Modifying brltty and the kernel to work with said bus/protocol.
>> 4. Getting something like flite ported and integrated into the  
>> firmware (it would all have to be burned into rom).
>> 5. Getting the braille keyboard working, which would most likely  
>> involve a completely revamped console/keymap system. Oh, the horror  
>> and nightmares that would result from that!
>> 6. Grade 2 Braille support, and back/forward translation (even more  
>> terrifying than number 5!).
>> 7. Creating a UI that's at least somewhat similar to KeySoft.
>>
>> I don't claim to be an expert at such things, but I consider  
>> myself knowledgable enough when it comes to a general understanding  
>> of how to get many things accomplished with computers. There's  
>> probably tons of stuff that would also have to be accounted for,  
>> but once you've got the rom hacked and the hardware drivers written  
>> everything else is just a question of effort and perseverence.
>>
>> Garrett
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 07:57:31AM -0500, David Poehlman wrote:
>>> As I understand it, not only the software but the hardware is
>>> proprietary inside.  You'd have to wipe it and start over.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Jonnie Apple Seed
>>> With his:
>>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 7:41 AM, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net wrote:
>>>
>>> You know, I have thought about this for along time, and have thought
>>> about how to go about iit. but never got started on thhe beginning
>>> points of it, but believe mme, it crossed y mind a million times to
>>> just say "Foget humanware and they crappy customer service" and just
>>> some how get linux on my braillenote pk.
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi people,
>>>> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which
>>>> will
>>>> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Chris Norman
>>>> <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

but why would you have to have a ui like keysoft? why not just have a 
command line? I think most people prefer that anyway, to me it seems more 
powerfull. maybe for installs you would have to have it, but I haven't seen 
a keysoft command line, but I was on the bn a few years ago, from what I 
understand, there have been quite a few things changed sense then.
Tyler Littlefield.
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From: "Garrett Klein" <kleins@iquest.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


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> Theoretically it could be done... there is a port of Linux to the arm 
> architecture. The main issues I would see, as I've thought about something 
> similar for a PAC Mate, are:
>
> 1. Analising, reverse-engineering, and re-flashing the rom.
> 2. (this wouldn't necessarily be needed for the PAC Mate since its braille 
> display uses a modified USB connector) analising/reverse-engineering the 
> bus/communications protocol between the processor and the braille display.
> 3. Modifying brltty and the kernel to work with said bus/protocol.
> 4. Getting something like flite ported and integrated into the firmware 
> (it would all have to be burned into rom).
> 5. Getting the braille keyboard working, which would most likely involve a 
> completely revamped console/keymap system. Oh, the horror and nightmares 
> that would result from that!
> 6. Grade 2 Braille support, and back/forward translation (even more 
> terrifying than number 5!).
> 7. Creating a UI that's at least somewhat similar to KeySoft.
>
> I don't claim to be an expert at such things, but I consider myself 
> knowledgable enough when it comes to a general understanding of how to get 
> many things accomplished with computers. There's probably tons of stuff 
> that would also have to be accounted for, but once you've got the rom 
> hacked and the hardware drivers written everything else is just a question 
> of effort and perseverence.
>
> Garrett
>
> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 07:57:31AM -0500, David Poehlman wrote:
>> As I understand it, not only the software but the hardware is
>> proprietary inside.  You'd have to wipe it and start over.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jonnie Apple Seed
>> With his:
>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 7:41 AM, BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net wrote:
>>
>> You know, I have thought about this for along time, and have thought
>> about how to go about iit. but never got started on thhe beginning
>> points of it, but believe mme, it crossed y mind a million times to
>> just say "Foget humanware and they crappy customer service" and just
>> some how get linux on my braillenote pk.
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 2:55 AM, Chris Norman wrote:
>>
>> > Hi people,
>> > Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which
>> > will
>> > work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Chris Norman
>> > <!-- chris.norman4@ntlworld.com -->
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Gregory Nowak]

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Because there are people that prefer the keysoft-like UI over the
command line. Once there is a version of netbsd running on the bn, the
goal of the freesoft project is to offer the choice of the
command-line, and a keysoft-like, menu-driven ui.

Greg


On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 05:12:49PM -0800, tyler wrote:
> but why would you have to have a ui like keysoft? why not just have a 
> command line? I think most people prefer that anyway, to me it seems more 
> powerfull. maybe for installs you would have to have it, but I haven't seen 
> a keysoft command line, but I was on the bn a few years ago, from what I 
> understand, there have been quite a few things changed sense then.
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]

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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Luke Yelavich]

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On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 11:25:19AM EST, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Because there are people that prefer the keysoft-like UI over the
> command line. Once there is a version of netbsd running on the bn, the
> goal of the freesoft project is to offer the choice of the
> command-line, and a keysoft-like, menu-driven ui.

And I would guess that this would be modular, so one could easily create 
software that simply can appear in the menu, with little to no extra 
work. Sounds good.
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Gregory Nowak]

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> And I would guess that this would be modular, so one could easily create 
> software that simply can appear in the menu, with little to no extra 
> work. Sounds good.
> - -- 

Correct. The current plan is that once we've got the main OS running,
and are ready to work on the UI, we'd write an API, thus allowing
others to use that API to integrate their applications into the menu
structure, and into freesoft itself.

Greg




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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Willem van der Walt]

Hi,
I have written a simple but effective menu system that allow for the 
running of programs from a menu.
I also have a file browser and a few scripts to copy files from a menu 
system etc.  The idea here is to build a localized note taker type device 
for South Africa.

I am doing this in work time, so I will first have to find out what the 
procedure for releasing it is, but it will be open-source and would be 
available for use in Free soft or whatever you want to call that.

I have done some other work towards the creation of the note taker as 
well.
People can mail me should they want more info.
Regards, Willem

  On Thu, 2 
Feb 2006, Luke Yelavich wrote:

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> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 11:25:19AM EST, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>> Because there are people that prefer the keysoft-like UI over the
>> command line. Once there is a version of netbsd running on the bn, the
>> goal of the freesoft project is to offer the choice of the
>> command-line, and a keysoft-like, menu-driven ui.
>
> And I would guess that this would be modular, so one could easily create
> software that simply can appear in the menu, with little to no extra
> work. Sounds good.
> - --
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

Hay,
I would like some info, but, will this stuff work on a pc? I have seen some 
menu-based programs, and would like to make use of some of them.
Thx,
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Willem van der Walt" <wvdwalt@csir.co.za>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> Hi,
> I have written a simple but effective menu system that allow for the
> running of programs from a menu.
> I also have a file browser and a few scripts to copy files from a menu
> system etc.  The idea here is to build a localized note taker type device
> for South Africa.
>
> I am doing this in work time, so I will first have to find out what the
> procedure for releasing it is, but it will be open-source and would be
> available for use in Free soft or whatever you want to call that.
>
> I have done some other work towards the creation of the note taker as
> well.
> People can mail me should they want more info.
> Regards, Willem
>
>  On Thu, 2
> Feb 2006, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>
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>> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 11:25:19AM EST, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>> Because there are people that prefer the keysoft-like UI over the
>>> command line. Once there is a version of netbsd running on the bn, the
>>> goal of the freesoft project is to offer the choice of the
>>> command-line, and a keysoft-like, menu-driven ui.
>>
>> And I would guess that this would be modular, so one could easily create
>> software that simply can appear in the menu, with little to no extra
>> work. Sounds good.
>> - --
>> Luke Yelavich
>> GPG key: 0xD06320CE
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Willem van der Walt]

Yes, It works on a pc running linux with speakup.


On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, tyler wrote:

> Hay,
> I would like some info, but, will this stuff work on a pc? I have seen some
> menu-based programs, and would like to make use of some of them.
> Thx,
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Willem van der Walt" <wvdwalt@csir.co.za>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> Hi,
>> I have written a simple but effective menu system that allow for the
>> running of programs from a menu.
>> I also have a file browser and a few scripts to copy files from a menu
>> system etc.  The idea here is to build a localized note taker type device
>> for South Africa.
>>
>> I am doing this in work time, so I will first have to find out what the
>> procedure for releasing it is, but it will be open-source and would be
>> available for use in Free soft or whatever you want to call that.
>>
>> I have done some other work towards the creation of the note taker as
>> well.
>> People can mail me should they want more info.
>> Regards, Willem
>>
>>  On Thu, 2
>> Feb 2006, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>>
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>>> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 11:25:19AM EST, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>>> Because there are people that prefer the keysoft-like UI over the
>>>> command line. Once there is a version of netbsd running on the bn, the
>>>> goal of the freesoft project is to offer the choice of the
>>>> command-line, and a keysoft-like, menu-driven ui.
>>>
>>> And I would guess that this would be modular, so one could easily create
>>> software that simply can appear in the menu, with little to no extra
>>> work. Sounds good.
>>> - --
>>> Luke Yelavich
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Travis Siegel]

on a pc as in under windows? Why bother, windows is nothing but a  
huge menu anyhow.
On Feb 2, 2006, at 9:48 AM, tyler wrote:

> Hay,
> I would like some info, but, will this stuff work on a pc? I have  
> seen some
> menu-based programs, and would like to make use of some of them.
> Thx,
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Willem van der Walt" <wvdwalt@csir.co.za>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> Hi,
>> I have written a simple but effective menu system that allow for the
>> running of programs from a menu.
>> I also have a file browser and a few scripts to copy files from a  
>> menu
>> system etc.  The idea here is to build a localized note taker type  
>> device
>> for South Africa.
>>
>> I am doing this in work time, so I will first have to find out  
>> what the
>> procedure for releasing it is, but it will be open-source and  
>> would be
>> available for use in Free soft or whatever you want to call that.
>>
>> I have done some other work towards the creation of the note taker as
>> well.
>> People can mail me should they want more info.
>> Regards, Willem
>>
>>  On Thu, 2
>> Feb 2006, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 11:25:19AM EST, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>>> Because there are people that prefer the keysoft-like UI over the
>>>> command line. Once there is a version of netbsd running on the  
>>>> bn, the
>>>> goal of the freesoft project is to offer the choice of the
>>>> command-line, and a keysoft-like, menu-driven ui.
>>>
>>> And I would guess that this would be modular, so one could easily  
>>> create
>>> software that simply can appear in the menu, with little to no extra
>>> work. Sounds good.
>>> - --
>>> Luke Yelavich
>>> GPG key: 0xD06320CE
>>> (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt)
>>> Email & MSN: themuso@themuso.com
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

what?
we're talking about a menu based app undder linux, and it can be useful at 
times, like when your selecting from a list of choices?
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> on a pc as in under windows? Why bother, windows is nothing but a
> huge menu anyhow.
> On Feb 2, 2006, at 9:48 AM, tyler wrote:
>
>> Hay,
>> I would like some info, but, will this stuff work on a pc? I have
>> seen some
>> menu-based programs, and would like to make use of some of them.
>> Thx,
>> Tyler Littlefield.
>> Check out our website:
>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
>> check out my blog:
>> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
>> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
>> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Willem van der Walt" <wvdwalt@csir.co.za>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I have written a simple but effective menu system that allow for the
>>> running of programs from a menu.
>>> I also have a file browser and a few scripts to copy files from a
>>> menu
>>> system etc.  The idea here is to build a localized note taker type
>>> device
>>> for South Africa.
>>>
>>> I am doing this in work time, so I will first have to find out
>>> what the
>>> procedure for releasing it is, but it will be open-source and
>>> would be
>>> available for use in Free soft or whatever you want to call that.
>>>
>>> I have done some other work towards the creation of the note taker as
>>> well.
>>> People can mail me should they want more info.
>>> Regards, Willem
>>>
>>>  On Thu, 2
>>> Feb 2006, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 11:25:19AM EST, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>>>> Because there are people that prefer the keysoft-like UI over the
>>>>> command line. Once there is a version of netbsd running on the
>>>>> bn, the
>>>>> goal of the freesoft project is to offer the choice of the
>>>>> command-line, and a keysoft-like, menu-driven ui.
>>>>
>>>> And I would guess that this would be modular, so one could easily
>>>> create
>>>> software that simply can appear in the menu, with little to no extra
>>>> work. Sounds good.
>>>> - --
>>>> Luke Yelavich
>>>> GPG key: 0xD06320CE
>>>> (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt)
>>>> Email & MSN: themuso@themuso.com
>>>> ICQ: 18444344
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Willem van der Walt]

Having a menu system opens up the large number of console applications to 
blind people who would otherwise never try to use them.


On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, Travis Siegel wrote:

> on a pc as in under windows? Why bother, windows is nothing but a
> huge menu anyhow.
> On Feb 2, 2006, at 9:48 AM, tyler wrote:
>
>> Hay,
>> I would like some info, but, will this stuff work on a pc? I have
>> seen some
>> menu-based programs, and would like to make use of some of them.
>> Thx,
>> Tyler Littlefield.
>> Check out our website:
>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
>> check out my blog:
>> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
>> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
>> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Willem van der Walt" <wvdwalt@csir.co.za>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I have written a simple but effective menu system that allow for the
>>> running of programs from a menu.
>>> I also have a file browser and a few scripts to copy files from a
>>> menu
>>> system etc.  The idea here is to build a localized note taker type
>>> device
>>> for South Africa.
>>>
>>> I am doing this in work time, so I will first have to find out
>>> what the
>>> procedure for releasing it is, but it will be open-source and
>>> would be
>>> available for use in Free soft or whatever you want to call that.
>>>
>>> I have done some other work towards the creation of the note taker as
>>> well.
>>> People can mail me should they want more info.
>>> Regards, Willem
>>>
>>>  On Thu, 2
>>> Feb 2006, Luke Yelavich wrote:
>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 02, 2006 at 11:25:19AM EST, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>>>> Because there are people that prefer the keysoft-like UI over the
>>>>> command line. Once there is a version of netbsd running on the
>>>>> bn, the
>>>>> goal of the freesoft project is to offer the choice of the
>>>>> command-line, and a keysoft-like, menu-driven ui.
>>>>
>>>> And I would guess that this would be modular, so one could easily
>>>> create
>>>> software that simply can appear in the menu, with little to no extra
>>>> work. Sounds good.
>>>> - --
>>>> Luke Yelavich
>>>> GPG key: 0xD06320CE
>>>> (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt)
>>>> Email & MSN: themuso@themuso.com
>>>> ICQ: 18444344
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

I understand, but rite now, I would just set the main goal to getting the 
main thing going, after that, which is a huge jump, then I would go for the 
menu.
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Because there are people that prefer the keysoft-like UI over the
> command line. Once there is a version of netbsd running on the bn, the
> goal of the freesoft project is to offer the choice of the
> command-line, and a keysoft-like, menu-driven ui.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 05:12:49PM -0800, tyler wrote:
>> but why would you have to have a ui like keysoft? why not just have a
>> command line? I think most people prefer that anyway, to me it seems more
>> powerfull. maybe for installs you would have to have it, but I haven't 
>> seen
>> a keysoft command line, but I was on the bn a few years ago, from what I
>> understand, there have been quite a few things changed sense then.
>> Tyler Littlefield.
>> Check out our website:
>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
>> check out my blog:
>> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
>> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
>> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

sorry, this is how I code. I take things little at a time. (I also work this 
way with women) things seem to work wonders this way. baby steps. after we 
have it, then... its awesome... lol.
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tyler" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


>I understand, but rite now, I would just set the main goal to getting the
> main thing going, after that, which is a huge jump, then I would go for 
> the
> menu.
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Because there are people that prefer the keysoft-like UI over the
>> command line. Once there is a version of netbsd running on the bn, the
>> goal of the freesoft project is to offer the choice of the
>> command-line, and a keysoft-like, menu-driven ui.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 05:12:49PM -0800, tyler wrote:
>>> but why would you have to have a ui like keysoft? why not just have a
>>> command line? I think most people prefer that anyway, to me it seems 
>>> more
>>> powerfull. maybe for installs you would have to have it, but I haven't
>>> seen
>>> a keysoft command line, but I was on the bn a few years ago, from what I
>>> understand, there have been quite a few things changed sense then.
>>> Tyler Littlefield.
>>> Check out our website:
>>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
>>> check out my blog:
>>> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
>>> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
>>> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[David Poehlman]

I know a few girls who don't have the patience for that.

--  
Jonnie Apple Seed
With his:
Hands-On Technolog(eye)s


On Feb 1, 2006, at 8:38 PM, tyler wrote:

sorry, this is how I code. I take things little at a time. (I also  
work this
way with women) things seem to work wonders this way. baby steps.  
after we
have it, then... its awesome... lol.
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
----- Original Message -----
From: "tyler" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> I understand, but rite now, I would just set the main goal to  
> getting the
> main thing going, after that, which is a huge jump, then I would go  
> for
> the
> menu.
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Because there are people that prefer the keysoft-like UI over the
>> command line. Once there is a version of netbsd running on the bn,  
>> the
>> goal of the freesoft project is to offer the choice of the
>> command-line, and a keysoft-like, menu-driven ui.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 05:12:49PM -0800, tyler wrote:
>>> but why would you have to have a ui like keysoft? why not just  
>>> have a
>>> command line? I think most people prefer that anyway, to me it seems
>>> more
>>> powerfull. maybe for installs you would have to have it, but I  
>>> haven't
>>> seen
>>> a keysoft command line, but I was on the bn a few years ago, from  
>>> what I
>>> understand, there have been quite a few things changed sense then.
>>> Tyler Littlefield.
>>> Check out our website:
>>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
>>> check out my blog:
>>> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
>>> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
>>> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
>>
>> - --
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>> gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

lol, I am happy with those. then I am happy to take flying leaps... whoot! 
lol.
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
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From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


>I know a few girls who don't have the patience for that.
>
> --
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 8:38 PM, tyler wrote:
>
> sorry, this is how I code. I take things little at a time. (I also
> work this
> way with women) things seem to work wonders this way. baby steps.
> after we
> have it, then... its awesome... lol.
> Tyler Littlefield.
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> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tyler" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> I understand, but rite now, I would just set the main goal to
>> getting the
>> main thing going, after that, which is a huge jump, then I would go
>> for
>> the
>> menu.
>> Tyler Littlefield.
>> Check out our website:
>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
>> check out my blog:
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>> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>>
>>
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>>> Because there are people that prefer the keysoft-like UI over the
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>>> goal of the freesoft project is to offer the choice of the
>>> command-line, and a keysoft-like, menu-driven ui.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 01, 2006 at 05:12:49PM -0800, tyler wrote:
>>>> but why would you have to have a ui like keysoft? why not just
>>>> have a
>>>> command line? I think most people prefer that anyway, to me it seems
>>>> more
>>>> powerfull. maybe for installs you would have to have it, but I
>>>> haven't
>>>> seen
>>>> a keysoft command line, but I was on the bn a few years ago, from
>>>> what I
>>>> understand, there have been quite a few things changed sense then.
>>>> Tyler Littlefield.
>>>> Check out our website:
>>>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
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Linux on BrailleNotes

[Ann K. Parsons]

Hi all,

No, the BrailleNote's OS is Window-CE, but it's interface is
proprietory.  You cannot put Linux on it.  You can, however use BrlTTY
with a PC running Linux.  Sorry, but that's the story.

Ann P.

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Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Jim Kutsch]

What interface is proprietary?  I just don't get this repeated "you can't" 
from multiple authors in this thread.  A small Linux distro with newly 
written device drivers for hardware specifics should do it.  Sure, it's not 
already out there but, look, Linux runs on lots of hardware platforms and 
many of them have unique hardware to manage.  For example, I have it running 
here on a desktop, laptop, AMD server, wireless router, and a VoIP/SIP 
telephone set.  These certainly have proprietary hardware interfaces.  What 
part of Linux and open source in general isn't understood here?

Jim Kutsch
Morristown, NJ


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ann K. Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 08:32
Subject: Linux on BrailleNotes


Hi all,

No, the BrailleNote's OS is Window-CE, but it's interface is
proprietory.  You cannot put Linux on it.  You can, however use BrlTTY
with a PC running Linux.  Sorry, but that's the story.

Ann P.

-- 
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email:  akp@eznet.net
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

No, I disagree. if one had a pic programming interface or something  
to that affect, you can and it is possible to run linux on it in  
theory. I am not giving up on it and will investigate this gfurther.  
extensively
On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:32 AM, Ann K. Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> No, the BrailleNote's OS is Window-CE, but it's interface is
> proprietory.  You cannot put Linux on it.  You can, however use BrlTTY
> with a PC running Linux.  Sorry, but that's the story.
>
> Ann P.
>
> -- 
> 			Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
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> "All that is gold does not glitter.
> Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

and to further point out, consumers all that that the ipod was  
propiritary and we got linux on that didn't we? (we meaning the linux  
community as a whole)
On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:32 AM, Ann K. Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> No, the BrailleNote's OS is Window-CE, but it's interface is
> proprietory.  You cannot put Linux on it.  You can, however use BrlTTY
> with a PC running Linux.  Sorry, but that's the story.
>
> Ann P.
>
> -- 
> 			Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
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> "All that is gold does not glitter.
> Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

why would someone want linux on an ipod? its made for music, not an os. 
Sorry, but I miss the point, if you can make it read the thing to you cool, 
I got a 30 gb ipod here that would be awesome if we could do that with, but, 
I don't see any other reason for putting linux on it. It would be like 
turning the blt 40 into a server.
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: <akp@eznet.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> and to further point out, consumers all that that the ipod was
> propiritary and we got linux on that didn't we? (we meaning the linux
> community as a whole)
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:32 AM, Ann K. Parsons wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> No, the BrailleNote's OS is Window-CE, but it's interface is
>> proprietory.  You cannot put Linux on it.  You can, however use BrlTTY
>> with a PC running Linux.  Sorry, but that's the story.
>>
>> Ann P.
>>
>> -- 
>> Ann K. Parsons
>> email:  akp@eznet.net
>> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
>> Skype:  Putertutor
>> "All that is gold does not glitter.
>> Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Travis Siegel]

And what would be wrong with making a brltty 40 into a server?
On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:25 PM, tyler wrote:

> why would someone want linux on an ipod? its made for music, not an  
> os.
> Sorry, but I miss the point, if you can make it read the thing to  
> you cool,
> I got a 30 gb ipod here that would be awesome if we could do that  
> with, but,
> I don't see any other reason for putting linux on it. It would be like
> turning the blt 40 into a server.
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
> To: <akp@eznet.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> and to further point out, consumers all that that the ipod was
>> propiritary and we got linux on that didn't we? (we meaning the linux
>> community as a whole)
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:32 AM, Ann K. Parsons wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> No, the BrailleNote's OS is Window-CE, but it's interface is
>>> proprietory.  You cannot put Linux on it.  You can, however use  
>>> BrlTTY
>>> with a PC running Linux.  Sorry, but that's the story.
>>>
>>> Ann P.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Ann K. Parsons
>>> email:  akp@eznet.net
>>> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
>>> Skype:  Putertutor
>>> "All that is gold does not glitter.
>>> Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>>>
>>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

Then you have allot to learn still young grass hopper.
On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:25 PM, tyler wrote:

> why would someone want linux on an ipod? its made for music, not an  
> os.
> Sorry, but I miss the point, if you can make it read the thing to  
> you cool,
> I got a 30 gb ipod here that would be awesome if we could do that  
> with, but,
> I don't see any other reason for putting linux on it. It would be like
> turning the blt 40 into a server.
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
> To: <akp@eznet.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> and to further point out, consumers all that that the ipod was
>> propiritary and we got linux on that didn't we? (we meaning the linux
>> community as a whole)
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:32 AM, Ann K. Parsons wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> No, the BrailleNote's OS is Window-CE, but it's interface is
>>> proprietory.  You cannot put Linux on it.  You can, however use  
>>> BrlTTY
>>> with a PC running Linux.  Sorry, but that's the story.
>>>
>>> Ann P.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Ann K. Parsons
>>> email:  akp@eznet.net
>>> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
>>> Skype:  Putertutor
>>> "All that is gold does not glitter.
>>> Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>>>
>>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

ya.. ya.. ya, still the same from the same ol' tech who knows all but hears 
nothing.
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> Then you have allot to learn still young grass hopper.
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 4:25 PM, tyler wrote:
>
>> why would someone want linux on an ipod? its made for music, not an
>> os.
>> Sorry, but I miss the point, if you can make it read the thing to
>> you cool,
>> I got a 30 gb ipod here that would be awesome if we could do that
>> with, but,
>> I don't see any other reason for putting linux on it. It would be like
>> turning the blt 40 into a server.
>> Tyler Littlefield.
>> Check out our website:
>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
>> check out my blog:
>> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
>> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
>> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
>> To: <akp@eznet.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>>
>>
>>> and to further point out, consumers all that that the ipod was
>>> propiritary and we got linux on that didn't we? (we meaning the linux
>>> community as a whole)
>>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:32 AM, Ann K. Parsons wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> No, the BrailleNote's OS is Window-CE, but it's interface is
>>>> proprietory.  You cannot put Linux on it.  You can, however use
>>>> BrlTTY
>>>> with a PC running Linux.  Sorry, but that's the story.
>>>>
>>>> Ann P.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Ann K. Parsons
>>>> email:  akp@eznet.net
>>>> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
>>>> Skype:  Putertutor
>>>> "All that is gold does not glitter.
>>>> Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Glenn at home]

I think he was referencing RockBox, which makes it accessible to the Blind.
http://www.rockbox.org/
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tyler" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


why would someone want linux on an ipod? its made for music, not an os.
Sorry, but I miss the point, if you can make it read the thing to you cool,
I got a 30 gb ipod here that would be awesome if we could do that with, but,
I don't see any other reason for putting linux on it. It would be like
turning the blt 40 into a server.
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: <akp@eznet.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> and to further point out, consumers all that that the ipod was
> propiritary and we got linux on that didn't we? (we meaning the linux
> community as a whole)
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:32 AM, Ann K. Parsons wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> No, the BrailleNote's OS is Window-CE, but it's interface is
>> proprietory.  You cannot put Linux on it.  You can, however use BrlTTY
>> with a PC running Linux.  Sorry, but that's the story.
>>
>> Ann P.
>>
>> -- 
>> Ann K. Parsons
>> email:  akp@eznet.net
>> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
>> Skype:  Putertutor
>> "All that is gold does not glitter.
>> Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>>
>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

ah... that makes more sense...
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
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[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn at home" <GlennErvin@cableone.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


>I think he was referencing RockBox, which makes it accessible to the Blind.
> http://www.rockbox.org/
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "tyler" <compgeek13@gmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
> why would someone want linux on an ipod? its made for music, not an os.
> Sorry, but I miss the point, if you can make it read the thing to you 
> cool,
> I got a 30 gb ipod here that would be awesome if we could do that with, 
> but,
> I don't see any other reason for putting linux on it. It would be like
> turning the blt 40 into a server.
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
> To: <akp@eznet.net>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> and to further point out, consumers all that that the ipod was
>> propiritary and we got linux on that didn't we? (we meaning the linux
>> community as a whole)
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:32 AM, Ann K. Parsons wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> No, the BrailleNote's OS is Window-CE, but it's interface is
>>> proprietory.  You cannot put Linux on it.  You can, however use BrlTTY
>>> with a PC running Linux.  Sorry, but that's the story.
>>>
>>> Ann P.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Ann K. Parsons
>>> email:  akp@eznet.net
>>> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
>>> Skype:  Putertutor
>>> "All that is gold does not glitter.
>>> Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>>>
>>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Glenn at home]

I don't know how hard it would be to get Linux on a notetaker, but it sure 
does not matter what O S it is using now.
Whatever the O S is, it will have to be wiped out to make room for the new O 
S.
I think it would take a dedicated team to get it going.
You might need to know the detailed information on the chip sets inside, and 
some data might need decoding.
It is beyond my ability, but this is the same concept that the open source 
RockBox uses to port into the devices that are running a different firmware.
I think that if there is a way to upgrade the Braille Note, there is a way 
to over-write it's O S.  But it might take some cooperation from HumanWare.
Glenn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ann K. Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:32 AM
Subject: Linux on BrailleNotes


Hi all,

No, the BrailleNote's OS is Window-CE, but it's interface is
proprietory.  You cannot put Linux on it.  You can, however use BrlTTY
with a PC running Linux.  Sorry, but that's the story.

Ann P.

-- 
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Gregory Nowak]

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No, not necessarily. We're actually hoping that once we get netbsd
running on the bn, that we'll be able to also leave the original
windows ce on it as well, thus giving people the choice of running
freesoft, or keysoft with a simple reboot (grin).

Greg



On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 06:58:00PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote:
> I don't know how hard it would be to get Linux on a notetaker, but it sure 
> does not matter what O S it is using now.
> Whatever the O S is, it will have to be wiped out to make room for the new O 
> S.
> I think it would take a dedicated team to get it going.
> You might need to know the detailed information on the chip sets inside, and 
> some data might need decoding.
> It is beyond my ability, but this is the same concept that the open source 
> RockBox uses to port into the devices that are running a different firmware.
> I think that if there is a way to upgrade the Braille Note, there is a way 
> to over-write it's O S.  But it might take some cooperation from HumanWare.
> Glenn

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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Glenn at home]

That is great, I don't know how much memory is available in a BN.
Glenn
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No, not necessarily. We're actually hoping that once we get netbsd
running on the bn, that we'll be able to also leave the original
windows ce on it as well, thus giving people the choice of running
freesoft, or keysoft with a simple reboot (grin).

Greg



On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 06:58:00PM -0600, Glenn at home wrote:
> I don't know how hard it would be to get Linux on a notetaker, but it sure
> does not matter what O S it is using now.
> Whatever the O S is, it will have to be wiped out to make room for the new 
> O
> S.
> I think it would take a dedicated team to get it going.
> You might need to know the detailed information on the chip sets inside, 
> and
> some data might need decoding.
> It is beyond my ability, but this is the same concept that the open source
> RockBox uses to port into the devices that are running a different 
> firmware.
> I think that if there is a way to upgrade the Braille Note, there is a way
> to over-write it's O S.  But it might take some cooperation from 
> HumanWare.
> Glenn

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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[David Csercsics]

Earlier in this thread someone on this list suggested to get an ELba
for a Linux notetaker. I've got  one here if you want to buy one.
It doesn't seem to work for what I want a laptop to do so if you're
interested just mail me off list.

Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

what do you want a laptop to do?
On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:35 PM, David Csercsics wrote:

> Earlier in this thread someone on this list suggested to get an ELba
> for a Linux notetaker. I've got  one here if you want to buy one.
> It doesn't seem to work for what I want a laptop to do so if you're
> interested just mail me off list.
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

I can't get your email address, but how much you selling for?
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To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> what do you want a laptop to do?
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:35 PM, David Csercsics wrote:
> 
>> Earlier in this thread someone on this list suggested to get an ELba
>> for a Linux notetaker. I've got  one here if you want to buy one.
>> It doesn't seem to work for what I want a laptop to do so if you're
>> interested just mail me off list.
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Gregory Nowak]

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Hi all.

Actually, there is a project that was initially aimed at getting
gnu/linux on the brailllenote family of devices. The name of this
project is freesoft. Like I've said, the project's initial goal was to
get gnu/linux on the bn and friends, but since the linux-mips port
wasn't actively maintained, and was, maybe still is out of date, the
project has moved to using netbsd instead of gnu/linux, since the
netbsd mips port is being actively maintained. 

The project has no web site as of now, but there is a mailing list,
which you can subscribe to by sending an empty message with no subject
to:

notelinux-subscribe@romuald.net.eu.org

. The list also has an archive at

<http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi>.

The project hasn't seen any activity for a while, since it is
impossible for gnu/linux and netbsd to recognize and to use the
pc-card slot on the original bn, and the second edition motherboard
units crash when loading the kernel, and I don't recall if the person
with that unit was able to debug the crash. This means that there is
no way to access files that would be very useful, but that can't be
fit into the ramdisk, when dealing with the original bn units at
least. Granted, this all happened
under netbsd 2.0, and since netbsd 3.1 came out recently, things maybe
different, there hasn't been time to do testing under netbsd 3.1 as of
now. The freesoft development team has made some progress though in
identifying hardware in the machine, in writing a memory division
utility needed for booting, and in making the cyace boot loader
useable on the bn.

Naturally, humanware hasn't been willing to provide specifications on
the hardware as of now. Contrary to the speculation I've seen in this
thread, the pre-pk bn devices don't run on an xscale, nor an arm
cpu. What it does run is in the notelinux archives. As for the pk, and
the mpower, development for those units would probably be easier,
since they run on an xscale chip it seems. However, none of the
freesoft development team have a pk, or mpower to work with right now.

Yes, the freesoft project has a development list. However, due to the
sensitive issues involved with the potential legal implications
of getting netbsd on such a device, subscriptions to the developer's list
are moderated, since the project doesn't want to have humanware be
informed of its activities. In order to get on to the developer's list,
post your qualifications and what you would bring to the table so to
speak to the regular notelinux list, and the current developers will
decide on if you should be admitted to the development team.

Yes, the project could use more developers with experience, but even more so,
the project could use hardware to work with (I.E. more older bn units, a few
mpowers and pks would be greatly appreciated).

Greg


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> Hi people,
> Does anyone know weather or not there is a linux distribution which will 
> work on the BrailleNote from PulseData?
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

Greg there is only one phrase that will describe you........
You freaken rock!!!!
I'm off to see the wizard and watch! I'll have my *nix varient on my  
pk soon. I could never stand humanware's closed system since I got  
the pk but look at the pk it self. its so cute and small and pretty.  
but the system itself sucks! but my pk is my baby. I'll be back, I'm  
off to read me archives.
On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> <http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi>.

Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

next post is asking for president on gregs list... oops, I think my next 
keystroke might be alt+s...
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> Greg there is only one phrase that will describe you........
> You freaken rock!!!!
> I'm off to see the wizard and watch! I'll have my *nix varient on my
> pk soon. I could never stand humanware's closed system since I got
> the pk but look at the pk it self. its so cute and small and pretty.
> but the system itself sucks! but my pk is my baby. I'll be back, I'm
> off to read me archives.
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
>> <http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi>.
>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net]

dude, what the hell are you talking about?
On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:10 PM, tyler wrote:

> next post is asking for president on gregs list... oops, I think my  
> next
> keystroke might be alt+s...
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> Greg there is only one phrase that will describe you........
>> You freaken rock!!!!
>> I'm off to see the wizard and watch! I'll have my *nix varient on my
>> pk soon. I could never stand humanware's closed system since I got
>> the pk but look at the pk it self. its so cute and small and pretty.
>> but the system itself sucks! but my pk is my baby. I'll be back, I'm
>> off to read me archives.
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>
>>> <http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi>.
>>
>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

sorry, didn't mean to make that go over your head...
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> dude, what the hell are you talking about?
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 6:10 PM, tyler wrote:
> 
>> next post is asking for president on gregs list... oops, I think my  
>> next
>> keystroke might be alt+s...
>> Tyler Littlefield.
>> Check out our website:
>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
>> check out my blog:
>> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
>> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
>> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>>
>>
>>> Greg there is only one phrase that will describe you........
>>> You freaken rock!!!!
>>> I'm off to see the wizard and watch! I'll have my *nix varient on my
>>> pk soon. I could never stand humanware's closed system since I got
>>> the pk but look at the pk it self. its so cute and small and pretty.
>>> but the system itself sucks! but my pk is my baby. I'll be back, I'm
>>> off to read me archives.
>>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>>
>>>> <http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi>.
>>>
>>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[David Poehlman]

alt+s does nothing.

--  
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On Feb 1, 2006, at 8:10 PM, tyler wrote:

next post is asking for president on gregs list... oops, I think my next
keystroke might be alt+s...
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Check out our website:
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[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
----- Original Message -----
From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> Greg there is only one phrase that will describe you........
> You freaken rock!!!!
> I'm off to see the wizard and watch! I'll have my *nix varient on my
> pk soon. I could never stand humanware's closed system since I got
> the pk but look at the pk it self. its so cute and small and pretty.
> but the system itself sucks! but my pk is my baby. I'll be back, I'm
> off to read me archives.
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
>> <http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi>.
>
>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

alt+s=send
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> alt+s does nothing.
> 
> --  
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 8:10 PM, tyler wrote:
> 
> next post is asking for president on gregs list... oops, I think my next
> keystroke might be alt+s...
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
> 
> 
>> Greg there is only one phrase that will describe you........
>> You freaken rock!!!!
>> I'm off to see the wizard and watch! I'll have my *nix varient on my
>> pk soon. I could never stand humanware's closed system since I got
>> the pk but look at the pk it self. its so cute and small and pretty.
>> but the system itself sucks! but my pk is my baby. I'll be back, I'm
>> off to read me archives.
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>
>>> <http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi>.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[David Poehlman]

for who?

--  
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Hands-On Technolog(eye)s


On Feb 2, 2006, at 9:49 AM, tyler wrote:

alt+s=send
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."  
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> alt+s does nothing.
>
> --  
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2006, at 8:10 PM, tyler wrote:
>
> next post is asking for president on gregs list... oops, I think my  
> next
> keystroke might be alt+s...
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> Greg there is only one phrase that will describe you........
>> You freaken rock!!!!
>> I'm off to see the wizard and watch! I'll have my *nix varient on my
>> pk soon. I could never stand humanware's closed system since I got
>> the pk but look at the pk it self. its so cute and small and pretty.
>> but the system itself sucks! but my pk is my baby. I'll be back, I'm
>> off to read me archives.
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>
>>> <http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi>.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[Dan Murphy]

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, David Poehlman wrote:
the send command for Outlook Express, a distinctly Micro$soft application.

> for who?
>
> --
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2006, at 9:49 AM, tyler wrote:
>
> alt+s=send
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> alt+s does nothing.
>>
>> --
>> Jonnie Apple Seed
>> With his:
>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 8:10 PM, tyler wrote:
>>
>> next post is asking for president on gregs list... oops, I think my
>> next
>> keystroke might be alt+s...
>> Tyler Littlefield.
>> Check out our website:
>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
>> check out my blog:
>> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
>> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
>> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>>
>>
>>> Greg there is only one phrase that will describe you........
>>> You freaken rock!!!!
>>> I'm off to see the wizard and watch! I'll have my *nix varient on my
>>> pk soon. I could never stand humanware's closed system since I got
>>> the pk but look at the pk it self. its so cute and small and pretty.
>>> but the system itself sucks! but my pk is my baby. I'll be back, I'm
>>> off to read me archives.
>>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>>
>>>> <http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi>.
>>>
>>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[David Poehlman]

ah, I just swallowed an apple vurruuuup!

--  
Jonnie Apple Seed
With his:
Hands-On Technolog(eye)s


On Feb 2, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Dan Murphy wrote:

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, David Poehlman wrote:
the send command for Outlook Express, a distinctly Micro$soft  
application.

> for who?
>
> --
> Jonnie Apple Seed
> With his:
> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2006, at 9:49 AM, tyler wrote:
>
> alt+s=send
> Tyler Littlefield.
> Check out our website:
> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
> check out my blog:
> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>
>
>> alt+s does nothing.
>>
>> --
>> Jonnie Apple Seed
>> With his:
>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 8:10 PM, tyler wrote:
>>
>> next post is asking for president on gregs list... oops, I think my
>> next
>> keystroke might be alt+s...
>> Tyler Littlefield.
>> Check out our website:
>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
>> check out my blog:
>> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
>> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
>> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>>
>>
>>> Greg there is only one phrase that will describe you........
>>> You freaken rock!!!!
>>> I'm off to see the wizard and watch! I'll have my *nix varient on my
>>> pk soon. I could never stand humanware's closed system since I got
>>> the pk but look at the pk it self. its so cute and small and pretty.
>>> but the system itself sucks! but my pk is my baby. I'll be back, I'm
>>> off to read me archives.
>>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>>
>>>> <http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi>.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[tyler]

yes, but I am to lazy to install anything else, and until I get back to my 
linux box, its what I use...
Tyler Littlefield.
Check out our website:
http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
check out my blog:
livejournal.com/~tylerrl
[my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
[failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Murphy" <danmint@verizon.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes


> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, David Poehlman wrote:
> the send command for Outlook Express, a distinctly Micro$soft application.
>
>> for who?
>>
>> --
>> Jonnie Apple Seed
>> With his:
>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2006, at 9:49 AM, tyler wrote:
>>
>> alt+s=send
>> Tyler Littlefield.
>> Check out our website:
>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
>> check out my blog:
>> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
>> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
>> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>>
>>
>>> alt+s does nothing.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonnie Apple Seed
>>> With his:
>>> Hands-On Technolog(eye)s
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 8:10 PM, tyler wrote:
>>>
>>> next post is asking for president on gregs list... oops, I think my
>>> next
>>> keystroke might be alt+s...
>>> Tyler Littlefield.
>>> Check out our website:
>>> http://tysplace.the-leetest.net
>>> check out my blog:
>>> livejournal.com/~tylerrl
>>> [my programs don't have bugs, just randomly added features]
>>> [failure is not an option, it comes bundled with windows!]
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "BlindTech of BlindTechs.Net" <blindtech@blindtechs.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Linux on BrailleNotes
>>>
>>>
>>>> Greg there is only one phrase that will describe you........
>>>> You freaken rock!!!!
>>>> I'm off to see the wizard and watch! I'll have my *nix varient on my
>>>> pk soon. I could never stand humanware's closed system since I got
>>>> the pk but look at the pk it self. its so cute and small and pretty.
>>>> but the system itself sucks! but my pk is my baby. I'll be back, I'm
>>>> off to read me archives.
>>>> On Feb 1, 2006, at 1:51 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Speakup mailing list
>>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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Re: Linux on BrailleNotes

[David Csercsics]

Earlier in this thread someone on this list suggested to get an ELba
for a Linux notetaker. I've got  one here if you want to buy one.
It doesn't seem to work for what I want a laptop to do so if you're
interested just mail me off list.