M20/40 status.

M20/40 status.

[Arthur Pirika]

Hi listers, I'm hoping to be getting into the linux world soon, as soon
as I get my new note-taker, an m20 or a Braille Note. Can anyone confirm
if these devices are working? I note in the Speakup-modified Fedora
Distro Install guide, it mentions that all Blazie products are
supported, except Milenium and Pac Mate. However, I contacted fs, the
makers of these products, who said it should work using the bns option
of a screen reader. So, what's the story here? Also, does the keynote
gold SA work?

Thanks,
Arthur

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Re: M20/40 status.

[Stephen Clower]

Hello Speakup,

     Yes, despite the documentation, the latest revision of the M20/40
     firmware will allow you to use it as a speech synthesizer when
     you choose the BNS option in Speakup. I don't believe the Keynote
     SA is supported, but the older internal card works with Speakup.
     I'd love to be wrong as I have a Braille Note and would much
     rather listen to it read the Linux console than a Braille Lite
     2000.
     


On Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 1:51:51 AM, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. decided to say:

> Hi listers, I'm hoping to be getting into the linux world soon, as soon
> as I get my new note-taker, an m20 or a Braille Note. Can anyone confirm
> if these devices are working? I note in the Speakup-modified Fedora
> Distro Install guide, it mentions that all Blazie products are
> supported, except Milenium and Pac Mate. However, I contacted fs, the
> makers of these products, who said it should work using the bns option
> of a screen reader. So, what's the story here? Also, does the keynote
> gold SA work?

> Thanks,
> Arthur

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RE: M20/40 status.

[Arthur Pirika]

Hi, I don't want to start a synth war here [smile], but the Double talk
chip, which is used on the m20/40, isn't too bad, much better than the
blt 2000! But, yes, I would *love* to see the bn supported, even though,
JFW doesn't support it, and the m series does! [grin].

Speaking of synths, are there *any* hardware synths that work with
speakup that are still in production, a part from the ones on
notetakers? Just curious.

Thanks,
Arthur Pirika.


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Stephen Clower
Sent: Thursday, 28 October 2004 2:36 a.m.
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: M20/40 status.


Hello Speakup,

     Yes, despite the documentation, the latest revision of the M20/40
     firmware will allow you to use it as a speech synthesizer when
     you choose the BNS option in Speakup. I don't believe the Keynote
     SA is supported, but the older internal card works with Speakup.
     I'd love to be wrong as I have a Braille Note and would much
     rather listen to it read the Linux console than a Braille Lite
     2000.
     


On Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 1:51:51 AM, Speakup is a screen review
system for Linux. decided to say:

> Hi listers, I'm hoping to be getting into the linux world soon, as 
> soon as I get my new note-taker, an m20 or a Braille Note. Can anyone 
> confirm if these devices are working? I note in the Speakup-modified 
> Fedora Distro Install guide, it mentions that all Blazie products are 
> supported, except Milenium and Pac Mate. However, I contacted fs, the 
> makers of these products, who said it should work using the bns option

> of a screen reader. So, what's the story here? Also, does the keynote 
> gold SA work?

> Thanks,
> Arthur

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Re: M20/40 status.

[John McCann]

Arthur inquires:

"Speaking of synths, are there *any* hardware synths that work with speakup 
that are still in production, a part from the ones on notetakers?"

DecTalk has upgraded its external synthesizer to accommodate a USB 
connection, but it still has the serial port capability. Hence, my plan is 
to purchase one; primarily for use with my linux box, but it's nice to know 
that it could be placed on the windows box should I ever use that machine 
for internet broadcasting.

John


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Pirika" <apirika@orcon.net.nz>
To: "'Stephen Clower'" <steve@steve-audio.net>; "'Speakup is a screen review 
system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:07 AM
Subject: RE: M20/40 status.


> Hi, I don't want to start a synth war here [smile], but the Double talk
> chip, which is used on the m20/40, isn't too bad, much better than the
> blt 2000! But, yes, I would *love* to see the bn supported, even though,
> JFW doesn't support it, and the m series does! [grin].
>
> Speaking of synths, are there *any* hardware synths that work with
> speakup that are still in production, a part from the ones on
> notetakers? Just curious.
>
> Thanks,
> Arthur Pirika.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Stephen Clower
> Sent: Thursday, 28 October 2004 2:36 a.m.
> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> Subject: Re: M20/40 status.
>
>
> Hello Speakup,
>
>     Yes, despite the documentation, the latest revision of the M20/40
>     firmware will allow you to use it as a speech synthesizer when
>     you choose the BNS option in Speakup. I don't believe the Keynote
>     SA is supported, but the older internal card works with Speakup.
>     I'd love to be wrong as I have a Braille Note and would much
>     rather listen to it read the Linux console than a Braille Lite
>     2000.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 1:51:51 AM, Speakup is a screen review
> system for Linux. decided to say:
>
>> Hi listers, I'm hoping to be getting into the linux world soon, as
>> soon as I get my new note-taker, an m20 or a Braille Note. Can anyone
>> confirm if these devices are working? I note in the Speakup-modified
>> Fedora Distro Install guide, it mentions that all Blazie products are
>> supported, except Milenium and Pac Mate. However, I contacted fs, the
>> makers of these products, who said it should work using the bns option
>
>> of a screen reader. So, what's the story here? Also, does the keynote
>> gold SA work?
>
>> Thanks,
>> Arthur
>
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Re: M20/40 status.

[Gregory Nowak]

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Actually, as far as I know, you choose the bns option only for the legacy note takers,
such as the bns, or blt 2000. The m20/40 units are supported as a
doubletalk lt.

Greg


On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 08:36:20AM -0500, Stephen Clower wrote:
> Hello Speakup,
> 
>      Yes, despite the documentation, the latest revision of the M20/40
>      firmware will allow you to use it as a speech synthesizer when
>      you choose the BNS option in Speakup. I don't believe the Keynote
>      SA is supported, but the older internal card works with Speakup.
>      I'd love to be wrong as I have a Braille Note and would much
>      rather listen to it read the Linux console than a Braille Lite
>      2000.
>      
> 
> 

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RE: M20/40 status.

[Arthur Pirika]

Hmmm, that's interesting. I contacted Freedomscientific and they said to
choose the bns option. Perhaps that's only for jfw.
I just wish they had the v4.1 update docs on the site, since that's
where the speechbox mode was "readded" to the M series.

Arthur.


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From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak
Sent: Thursday, 28 October 2004 6:22 a.m.
To: Stephen Clower; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: M20/40 status.


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Actually, as far as I know, you choose the bns option only for the
legacy note takers, such as the bns, or blt 2000. The m20/40 units are
supported as a doubletalk lt.

Greg


On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 08:36:20AM -0500, Stephen Clower wrote:
> Hello Speakup,
> 
>      Yes, despite the documentation, the latest revision of the M20/40
>      firmware will allow you to use it as a speech synthesizer when
>      you choose the BNS option in Speakup. I don't believe the Keynote
>      SA is supported, but the older internal card works with Speakup.
>      I'd love to be wrong as I have a Braille Note and would much
>      rather listen to it read the Linux console than a Braille Lite
>      2000.
>      
> 
> 

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Re: M20/40 status.

[Gregory Nowak]

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You would use the same setting for speakup as you would for jfw. The
information that I have was posted on the fs notetaker support list. I
believe Ron Miller was the person to post the info, but I'm not sure
about that bit.

Greg


On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 06:27:45AM +1300, Arthur Pirika wrote:
> Hmmm, that's interesting. I contacted Freedomscientific and they said to
> choose the bns option. Perhaps that's only for jfw.
> I just wish they had the v4.1 update docs on the site, since that's
> where the speechbox mode was "readded" to the M series.
> 
> Arthur.
> 
> 

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RE: M20/40 status.

[Arthur Pirika]

I know this is going off-topic now, so I'll close this thread with a
final question. Is the fs support list you mention archived?

Thanks,
Arthur.


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From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak
Sent: Thursday, 28 October 2004 8:06 a.m.
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: M20/40 status.


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You would use the same setting for speakup as you would for jfw. The
information that I have was posted on the fs notetaker support list. I
believe Ron Miller was the person to post the info, but I'm not sure
about that bit.

Greg


On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 06:27:45AM +1300, Arthur Pirika wrote:
> Hmmm, that's interesting. I contacted Freedomscientific and they said 
> to choose the bns option. Perhaps that's only for jfw. I just wish 
> they had the v4.1 update docs on the site, since that's where the 
> speechbox mode was "readded" to the M series.
> 
> Arthur.
> 
> 

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Re: M20/40 status.

[Janina Sajka]

As one who maintains some of the documentation, I want to be very
precise about this.

Are you saying that certain ROM revisions of the Freedom Scientific
Millennium will function as TTS speech synths for current, CVS versions
of Speakup?

You say "M20/40" by which I understand both Millennium 20 and Millennium
40. But what ROM versions? Beginning with what revision?

And, do I understand that the speakup_synth keyword for these is 'bns?'
Is this what you're saying?

Stephen Clower writes:
> Hello Speakup,
> 
>      Yes, despite the documentation, the latest revision of the M20/40
>      firmware will allow you to use it as a speech synthesizer when
>      you choose the BNS option in Speakup. I don't believe the Keynote
>      SA is supported, but the older internal card works with Speakup.
>      I'd love to be wrong as I have a Braille Note and would much
>      rather listen to it read the Linux console than a Braille Lite
>      2000.
>      
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 1:51:51 AM, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. decided to say:
> 
> > Hi listers, I'm hoping to be getting into the linux world soon, as soon
> > as I get my new note-taker, an m20 or a Braille Note. Can anyone confirm
> > if these devices are working? I note in the Speakup-modified Fedora
> > Distro Install guide, it mentions that all Blazie products are
> > supported, except Milenium and Pac Mate. However, I contacted fs, the
> > makers of these products, who said it should work using the bns option
> > of a screen reader. So, what's the story here? Also, does the keynote
> > gold SA work?
> 
> > Thanks,
> > Arthur
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Re: M20/40 status.

[Janina Sajka]

Why would you choose Windows for Internet broadcasting? Seems to me
Linux is a more stable and more accessible server for that.

John McCann writes:
> Arthur inquires:
> 
> "Speaking of synths, are there *any* hardware synths that work with speakup 
> that are still in production, a part from the ones on notetakers?"
> 
> DecTalk has upgraded its external synthesizer to accommodate a USB 
> connection, but it still has the serial port capability. Hence, my plan is 
> to purchase one; primarily for use with my linux box, but it's nice to know 
> that it could be placed on the windows box should I ever use that machine 
> for internet broadcasting.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Pirika" <apirika@orcon.net.nz>
> To: "'Stephen Clower'" <steve@steve-audio.net>; "'Speakup is a screen review 
> system for Linux.'" <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:07 AM
> Subject: RE: M20/40 status.
> 
> 
> > Hi, I don't want to start a synth war here [smile], but the Double talk
> > chip, which is used on the m20/40, isn't too bad, much better than the
> > blt 2000! But, yes, I would *love* to see the bn supported, even though,
> > JFW doesn't support it, and the m series does! [grin].
> >
> > Speaking of synths, are there *any* hardware synths that work with
> > speakup that are still in production, a part from the ones on
> > notetakers? Just curious.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Arthur Pirika.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Stephen Clower
> > Sent: Thursday, 28 October 2004 2:36 a.m.
> > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> > Subject: Re: M20/40 status.
> >
> >
> > Hello Speakup,
> >
> >     Yes, despite the documentation, the latest revision of the M20/40
> >     firmware will allow you to use it as a speech synthesizer when
> >     you choose the BNS option in Speakup. I don't believe the Keynote
> >     SA is supported, but the older internal card works with Speakup.
> >     I'd love to be wrong as I have a Braille Note and would much
> >     rather listen to it read the Linux console than a Braille Lite
> >     2000.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 1:51:51 AM, Speakup is a screen review
> > system for Linux. decided to say:
> >
> >> Hi listers, I'm hoping to be getting into the linux world soon, as
> >> soon as I get my new note-taker, an m20 or a Braille Note. Can anyone
> >> confirm if these devices are working? I note in the Speakup-modified
> >> Fedora Distro Install guide, it mentions that all Blazie products are
> >> supported, except Milenium and Pac Mate. However, I contacted fs, the
> >> makers of these products, who said it should work using the bns option
> >
> >> of a screen reader. So, what's the story here? Also, does the keynote
> >> gold SA work?
> >
> >> Thanks,
> >> Arthur
> >
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> >
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Re: M20/40 status.

[Janina Sajka]

I'm trying to pin this down for the sake of the next version of the
Speakup Modified HOWTO slated for release later this year.

Gregory, are you saying the correct speakup_synth keyword is ltlk?

Gregory Nowak writes:
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> Actually, as far as I know, you choose the bns option only for the legacy note takers,
> such as the bns, or blt 2000. The m20/40 units are supported as a
> doubletalk lt.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 08:36:20AM -0500, Stephen Clower wrote:
> > Hello Speakup,
> > 
> >      Yes, despite the documentation, the latest revision of the M20/40
> >      firmware will allow you to use it as a speech synthesizer when
> >      you choose the BNS option in Speakup. I don't believe the Keynote
> >      SA is supported, but the older internal card works with Speakup.
> >      I'd love to be wrong as I have a Braille Note and would much
> >      rather listen to it read the Linux console than a Braille Lite
> >      2000.
> >      
> > 
> > 
> 
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janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

RE: M20/40 status.

[Arthur Pirika]

As far as I'm aware, revision 4.1 and later include "speechbox" mode,
similar to the older notetakers. What we're all trying to pin down is
whether it acts as a bns or a double/lite talk. That's how I see it.

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Thursday, 28 October 2004 8:43 a.m.
To: Stephen Clower; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: M20/40 status.


As one who maintains some of the documentation, I want to be very
precise about this.

Are you saying that certain ROM revisions of the Freedom Scientific
Millennium will function as TTS speech synths for current, CVS versions
of Speakup?

You say "M20/40" by which I understand both Millennium 20 and Millennium
40. But what ROM versions? Beginning with what revision?

And, do I understand that the speakup_synth keyword for these is 'bns?'
Is this what you're saying?

Stephen Clower writes:
> Hello Speakup,
> 
>      Yes, despite the documentation, the latest revision of the M20/40
>      firmware will allow you to use it as a speech synthesizer when
>      you choose the BNS option in Speakup. I don't believe the Keynote
>      SA is supported, but the older internal card works with Speakup.
>      I'd love to be wrong as I have a Braille Note and would much
>      rather listen to it read the Linux console than a Braille Lite
>      2000.
>      
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 1:51:51 AM, Speakup is a screen review

> system for Linux. decided to say:
> 
> > Hi listers, I'm hoping to be getting into the linux world soon, as 
> > soon as I get my new note-taker, an m20 or a Braille Note. Can 
> > anyone confirm if these devices are working? I note in the 
> > Speakup-modified Fedora Distro Install guide, it mentions that all 
> > Blazie products are supported, except Milenium and Pac Mate. 
> > However, I contacted fs, the makers of these products, who said it 
> > should work using the bns option of a screen reader. So, what's the 
> > story here? Also, does the keynote gold SA work?
> 
> > Thanks,
> > Arthur
> 
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> 
> 
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
>   You can reach me by any of the following:
> Email/MSN Messenger: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
> Skype: sclower
> 
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> 
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Re: M20/40 status.

[Gregory Nowak]

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No, unfortunately it isn't.

Greg


On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 08:36:03AM +1300, Arthur Pirika wrote:
> I know this is going off-topic now, so I'll close this thread with a
> final question. Is the fs support list you mention archived?
> 
> Thanks,
> Arthur.
> 
> 

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Re: M20/40 status.

[Gregory Nowak]

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Yes, this is correct. The Millennium 20/40 units from Freedom
Scientific can be used as tts speech synthesizers with speakup or any
other screen reader since firmware version 4.0, or 4.1. Actually I've
just looked at the freedom scientific site download section, and I see
that firmware 4.0 can be downloaded for free, so the tts functionality
is available since 4.1 and higher, because I remember that the speech
box mode was reintroduced in the first non-free firmware update, and
that appears to be 4.1, rather then 4.0. As far as I know, the
Millennium 20/40 would be used with a screen reader as a doubletalk
lt, the speakup keyword for which is ltlk I believe. I'm going to post to the
fs support list, so we can end the speculation once and for all.

Greg


On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:43:25PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> As one who maintains some of the documentation, I want to be very
> precise about this.
> 
> Are you saying that certain ROM revisions of the Freedom Scientific
> Millennium will function as TTS speech synths for current, CVS versions
> of Speakup?
> 
> You say "M20/40" by which I understand both Millennium 20 and Millennium
> 40. But what ROM versions? Beginning with what revision?
> 
> And, do I understand that the speakup_synth keyword for these is 'bns?'
> Is this what you're saying?
> 

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Re: M20/40 status.

[Sean McMahon]

Can you post the address of that fs support list? I have some questions for them
about how to keep a bns from giving me a "file is full" message, a problem which
ocurs both in and outside of speakup.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: M20/40 status.


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> Yes, this is correct. The Millennium 20/40 units from Freedom
> Scientific can be used as tts speech synthesizers with speakup or any
> other screen reader since firmware version 4.0, or 4.1. Actually I've
> just looked at the freedom scientific site download section, and I see
> that firmware 4.0 can be downloaded for free, so the tts functionality
> is available since 4.1 and higher, because I remember that the speech
> box mode was reintroduced in the first non-free firmware update, and
> that appears to be 4.1, rather then 4.0. As far as I know, the
> Millennium 20/40 would be used with a screen reader as a doubletalk
> lt, the speakup keyword for which is ltlk I believe. I'm going to post to the
> fs support list, so we can end the speculation once and for all.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:43:25PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > As one who maintains some of the documentation, I want to be very
> > precise about this.
> >
> > Are you saying that certain ROM revisions of the Freedom Scientific
> > Millennium will function as TTS speech synths for current, CVS versions
> > of Speakup?
> >
> > You say "M20/40" by which I understand both Millennium 20 and Millennium
> > 40. But what ROM versions? Beginning with what revision?
> >
> > And, do I understand that the speakup_synth keyword for these is 'bns?'
> > Is this what you're saying?
> >
>
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Internet Broadcasting

[John McCann]

Janina writes:

"Why would you choose Windows for Internet broadcasting? Seems to me Linux
is a more stable and more accessible server for that."

True. Thought about that after I sent the message. The plan someday (and I
do mean someday) is to do a show on ACB radio. Now, by the time I get around
to moving forward on that agenda, my linux awareness / linux skills will, in
all probability, be at the point where using the linux box would be a viable
option, not to mention that its no doubt the more desirable option for the
reason you stated.

I don't need to be sold on the stability of linux; having only rebooted  my
machine once since late september; and that only having been done because I
couldn't remember the "service vsftpd restart" command after having made
necessary modifications to my vsftpd.conf file, <smile>!

John

Re: M20/40 status.

[Gregory Nowak]

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If you describe exactly where you're getting the file is full
messages, I maybe able to help. If you're getting them in speechbox
mode, then add more pages to your clipboard before going into
speechbox mode, which will make the buffer for storing the text to be
spoken bigger. If you're getting file is full in other circumstances,
then you'll need to describe them.

To subscribe to the fs support list, send an email to 

support-request@lists.freedomscientific.com

Leave the subject blank. In the body of the message put the line

subscribe

You'll get a reply from the list serve, and just follow the
instructions you find in that to confirm the subscription. This list
is only meant for discussion of the legacy notetakers such as the bns
640/2000, and the Millennium units. It isn't meant for discussion
of openbook, jfw, or pac mate, since there are separate lists for
discussing those. Hth.

Greg


On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:02:58PM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> Can you post the address of that fs support list? I have some questions for them
> about how to keep a bns from giving me a "file is full" message, a problem which
> ocurs both in and outside of speakup.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: M20/40 status.
> 
> 
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> >
> > Yes, this is correct. The Millennium 20/40 units from Freedom
> > Scientific can be used as tts speech synthesizers with speakup or any
> > other screen reader since firmware version 4.0, or 4.1. Actually I've
> > just looked at the freedom scientific site download section, and I see
> > that firmware 4.0 can be downloaded for free, so the tts functionality
> > is available since 4.1 and higher, because I remember that the speech
> > box mode was reintroduced in the first non-free firmware update, and
> > that appears to be 4.1, rather then 4.0. As far as I know, the
> > Millennium 20/40 would be used with a screen reader as a doubletalk
> > lt, the speakup keyword for which is ltlk I believe. I'm going to post to the
> > fs support list, so we can end the speculation once and for all.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:43:25PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > As one who maintains some of the documentation, I want to be very
> > > precise about this.
> > >
> > > Are you saying that certain ROM revisions of the Freedom Scientific
> > > Millennium will function as TTS speech synths for current, CVS versions
> > > of Speakup?
> > >
> > > You say "M20/40" by which I understand both Millennium 20 and Millennium
> > > 40. But what ROM versions? Beginning with what revision?
> > >
> > > And, do I understand that the speakup_synth keyword for these is 'bns?'
> > > Is this what you're saying?
> > >
> >
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Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 06:09:10PM -0400, John McCann wrote:
> I don't need to be sold on the stability of linux; having only rebooted  my
> machine once since late september; and that only having been done because I
> couldn't remember the "service vsftpd restart" command after having made
> necessary modifications to my vsftpd.conf file, <smile>!
> 

Actually, even if you didn't remember how to restart vsftpd, you could
still have restarted it without rebooting by going into single user
mode, and then going back into multiuser mode using telinit to switch
the run levels.

Greg



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Re: Internet Broadcasting

[hank]

you can't cross faid with linux and I have yet to find a consol program that 
does this sort of thing
any one know something I don't?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John McCann" <lists@jamsite.us>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:09 PM
Subject: Internet Broadcasting


> Janina writes:
>
> "Why would you choose Windows for Internet broadcasting? Seems to me Linux
> is a more stable and more accessible server for that."
>
> True. Thought about that after I sent the message. The plan someday (and I
> do mean someday) is to do a show on ACB radio. Now, by the time I get 
> around
> to moving forward on that agenda, my linux awareness / linux skills will, 
> in
> all probability, be at the point where using the linux box would be a 
> viable
> option, not to mention that its no doubt the more desirable option for the
> reason you stated.
>
> I don't need to be sold on the stability of linux; having only rebooted 
> my
> machine once since late september; and that only having been done because 
> I
> couldn't remember the "service vsftpd restart" command after having made
> necessary modifications to my vsftpd.conf file, <smile>!
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[John McCann]

Greg:

You wrote:

"Actually, even if you didn't remember how to restart vsftpd, you could 
still have restarted it without rebooting by going into single user mode, 
and then going back into multiuser mode using telinit to switch the run 
levels."

Many thanks for taking the time to post this, Greg, but I have to emphasize 
in the strongest terms that I am a "major league" newby when it comes to 
linux; hence, your post engenders the following questions:

1. How does one go into "single user" mode?
2. What is telinit?
and
3. What is a run level?

Okay, I'm not requesting that those questions be addressed on list, given 
that the preponderance of participants here are obviously operating at a 
more sophisticated / informed level than I am at this point. . For now, I 
pretty much lurk on this list, trying to understand what little I can while 
I spend the rest of my "linux edification" time reading man pages and just 
playing around with my system.

Keep on keeping on, folks; I'll get a handle on all this stuff at some 
point!

John



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting


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> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 06:09:10PM -0400, John McCann wrote:
>> I don't need to be sold on the stability of linux; having only rebooted 
>> my
>> machine once since late september; and that only having been done because 
>> I
>> couldn't remember the "service vsftpd restart" command after having made
>> necessary modifications to my vsftpd.conf file, <smile>!
>>
>
> Actually, even if you didn't remember how to restart vsftpd, you could
> still have restarted it without rebooting by going into single user
> mode, and then going back into multiuser mode using telinit to switch
> the run levels.
>
> Greg
>
>
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Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Karen Lewellen]

I realize I may be starting a fight, but care to give me a list of 
Internet broadcasting tools which work in Linux?
I ask for two reasons,  all of the spectrum radio people I talk with, as 
in on the dial radio tell me that while they would love to use Linux for 
things like editing  and  other work when it crosses over to the net, it 
is just not stable.
Second one of the most respected blind Internet broadcasters Steve Wolf, I 
believe that is his first name 
at wolffm.com
told me the same thing when I asked the same question that all his 
broadcasting related things were still done in Windows.  Granted these 
people are used to working in the traditional broadcasting industry, not 
just putting something together from home.
Still no one knows everything on Linux, and things change all the time 
with upgrades.  And it has been a while since I asked Steve at least.

so, may I just have a list of useful tools, and if such tools are more 
commonly found in one Distribution than another?
Thanks,
Karen

Internet Broadcasting

[John McCann]

Hank wrote:

"you can't cross faid with linux and I have yet to find a consol program
that does this sort of thing
any one know something I don't?"

If they do, I hope that they will speak up...so to speak, <smile>!

What I ultimately envision doing is a radio show on either ACB radio or the
"for the people" (FTP, not to be confused with "file transfer protocol")
site. I don't know whether or not anyone who is doing internet broadcasting
on either of those sites is using a linux box to do so.

Now, when Janina responded to my initial post, she did say:

"Seems to me that linux would be a more stable and more accessible server 
for that  [internet broadcasting]."

I believe that the folks I know who are doing internet broadcasting are 
using their computers as music terminals or studios which stream content up 
to some other server which people then log on to; hence, were I to do this, 
I don't believe my computer would be acting as a server.

My primary motivation for becoming conversant with linux was because I 
wanted to host my own http and ftp sites. Now, if my father said this once 
in his life, he said it ten thousand times: "The right tool for the right 
job." (He worked in construction all his life.) So, given my desire to 
self-host my own jamsite.us domain, and with
the above-quoted montra in mind, there was no way I was going to use 
microsoft's software for that task, with all its security flaws, 
instability, etc. However, if, in fact,  what Hank believes is 
correct...that their is no linux software that supports cross-fading, then 
windows, even with all its flaws, may be the "right tool" for that, the 
"internet dj", job. Indeed, less than an hour ago, I read Sean McMahon's 
post about the availability of OCR software running under linux.

The point of this discussion being simply this; (and I'm not pointing any 
fingers at any specific individuals on this list; I am oftimes perturbed by 
a pervasive attitude which seems to exist in certain sectors of the linux 
community which holds that anyone who uses microsoft software is the 
anti-christ. Hey, you use what you got to use...or what you know how to 
use...to get the job done in the way that you want or need for it to be 
done. I would exhort those who hold the aforementioned view to allow it to 
serve as a motivation for working toward the day when the catalog of 
application programs written for linux is every bit as robust as that 
written for windows, which operating system, whether those in the linux 
community would care to acknowledge it or not, (and irrespective of how they 
or anyone else feels about it) is the predominant operating system today.

John

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:25:53PM -0400, John McCann wrote:
> 1. How does one go into "single user" mode?

You would do that with the command

telinit x

as root, where x is the number of the run level to switch to. As for
which run levels control what, I believe that is
distribution-specific. In slackware, run level 1 is the single user
run level, and 3 is the multiuser run level for running text consoles
without running the x window system.

> 2. What is telinit?

The best answer I can give you is to read the telinit(8) manual page,
which will tell you all you ever wanted to know.

> and
> 3. What is a run level?
> 

Hmmm, well, this may not be the best answer, but a run level is a
state in which the system can be. For example, such a state could be
run in single user mode, allowing only one person to be logged in at a
time, or this state could be multiuser mode, where multiple users can
login. This is most likely not the best answer, but again, the
init/telinit man pages might answer this better, or someone else here
will provide a better answer then I have.

Greg




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Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Janina Sajka]

John McCann writes:
> 1. How does one go into "single user" mode?

telinit 1

You can come back to runlevel 3 with:

telinit 3

These are specific to Fedora/Redhat.

> 2. What is telinit?

It's a command. The wag in me wants to say it's the mother of all
commands -- but I diagress.

Learn more by issuing:

man telinit

> and
> 3. What is a run level?

A description of what kind of services are made available on Linux
systems. For example, the primary runlevels on Fedora include:

runlevel 1 -- also known as single user mode. No login is required.
There are not multiple consoles, etc.

runlevel 3: Multiple user and networking services provided -- but no
gui.

runlevel 5: gui

runlevel 6: reboot

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Janina Sajka]

Interestingly, man runlevel doesn't define runlevel, it simply provides
info on how to querry and manipulate.

I guess man page authors sometimes ignore, or are stumped, by the
basics. Just a speculation based on unscientific observation.

Gregory Nowak writes:
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> On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 07:25:53PM -0400, John McCann wrote:
> > 1. How does one go into "single user" mode?
> 
> You would do that with the command
> 
> telinit x
> 
> as root, where x is the number of the run level to switch to. As for
> which run levels control what, I believe that is
> distribution-specific. In slackware, run level 1 is the single user
> run level, and 3 is the multiuser run level for running text consoles
> without running the x window system.
> 
> > 2. What is telinit?
> 
> The best answer I can give you is to read the telinit(8) manual page,
> which will tell you all you ever wanted to know.
> 
> > and
> > 3. What is a run level?
> > 
> 
> Hmmm, well, this may not be the best answer, but a run level is a
> state in which the system can be. For example, such a state could be
> run in single user mode, allowing only one person to be logged in at a
> time, or this state could be multiuser mode, where multiple users can
> login. This is most likely not the best answer, but again, the
> init/telinit man pages might answer this better, or someone else here
> will provide a better answer then I have.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Janina Sajka]

I believe the original post had to do with serving streams which would
be a job for icecast--assuming we're talking audio.

When you ask about tools, the list gets very long indeed. For that I
would suggest the Linux Audio lists. Some of the basics, though, are
sox, and ecasound.

I am currently adding tracks to some studio sessions using ecasound.

Karen Lewellen writes:
> I realize I may be starting a fight, but care to give me a list of 
> Internet broadcasting tools which work in Linux?
> I ask for two reasons,  all of the spectrum radio people I talk with, as 
> in on the dial radio tell me that while they would love to use Linux for 
> things like editing  and  other work when it crosses over to the net, it 
> is just not stable.
> Second one of the most respected blind Internet broadcasters Steve Wolf, I 
> believe that is his first name 
> at wolffm.com
> told me the same thing when I asked the same question that all his 
> broadcasting related things were still done in Windows.  Granted these 
> people are used to working in the traditional broadcasting industry, not 
> just putting something together from home.
> Still no one knows everything on Linux, and things change all the time 
> with upgrades.  And it has been a while since I asked Steve at least.
> 
> so, may I just have a list of useful tools, and if such tools are more 
> commonly found in one Distribution than another?
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Janina Sajka]

I'm not into dj applications, so I don't think about cross fading in the
sense of queueing up several selections and having them play
automatically. So, I just plain haven't looked into that, if that's what
you mean.

I can tell you that I can fade up and fade out with ecasound. And, it's
certainly possible to have a second selection start fading up when the
first one fades out, but I rather suspect you may have something
different in mind.

I am very convinced, however, that we are not as knowledgable about the
options available to us from the command line for audio management. Let
me put it this way: Does anyone here use gstreamer from the cli? Did you
know you can? I just learned that the other day.

John McCann writes:
> Hank wrote:
> 
> "you can't cross faid with linux and I have yet to find a consol program
> that does this sort of thing
> any one know something I don't?"
> 
> If they do, I hope that they will speak up...so to speak, <smile>!
> 
> What I ultimately envision doing is a radio show on either ACB radio or the
> "for the people" (FTP, not to be confused with "file transfer protocol")
> site. I don't know whether or not anyone who is doing internet broadcasting
> on either of those sites is using a linux box to do so.
> 
> Now, when Janina responded to my initial post, she did say:
> 
> "Seems to me that linux would be a more stable and more accessible server 
> for that  [internet broadcasting]."
> 
> I believe that the folks I know who are doing internet broadcasting are 
> using their computers as music terminals or studios which stream content up 
> to some other server which people then log on to; hence, were I to do this, 
> I don't believe my computer would be acting as a server.
> 
> My primary motivation for becoming conversant with linux was because I 
> wanted to host my own http and ftp sites. Now, if my father said this once 
> in his life, he said it ten thousand times: "The right tool for the right 
> job." (He worked in construction all his life.) So, given my desire to 
> self-host my own jamsite.us domain, and with
> the above-quoted montra in mind, there was no way I was going to use 
> microsoft's software for that task, with all its security flaws, 
> instability, etc. However, if, in fact,  what Hank believes is 
> correct...that their is no linux software that supports cross-fading, then 
> windows, even with all its flaws, may be the "right tool" for that, the 
> "internet dj", job. Indeed, less than an hour ago, I read Sean McMahon's 
> post about the availability of OCR software running under linux.
> 
> The point of this discussion being simply this; (and I'm not pointing any 
> fingers at any specific individuals on this list; I am oftimes perturbed by 
> a pervasive attitude which seems to exist in certain sectors of the linux 
> community which holds that anyone who uses microsoft software is the 
> anti-christ. Hey, you use what you got to use...or what you know how to 
> use...to get the job done in the way that you want or need for it to be 
> done. I would exhort those who hold the aforementioned view to allow it to 
> serve as a motivation for working toward the day when the catalog of 
> application programs written for linux is every bit as robust as that 
> written for windows, which operating system, whether those in the linux 
> community would care to acknowledge it or not, (and irrespective of how they 
> or anyone else feels about it) is the predominant operating system today.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
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				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Luke Yelavich]

On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 11:05:21AM EST, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Does anyone here use gstreamer from the cli? Did you know you can? I 
> just learned that the other day.

You learn something new every day. I must check it out. :)

Luke

RE: M20/40 status.

[Arthur Pirika]

Yea! Thanks for all your help! Now I can sleep! <smile>

Arthur.


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak
Sent: Thursday, 28 October 2004 11:28 a.m.
To: Sean McMahon; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: M20/40 status.


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If you describe exactly where you're getting the file is full messages,
I maybe able to help. If you're getting them in speechbox mode, then add
more pages to your clipboard before going into speechbox mode, which
will make the buffer for storing the text to be spoken bigger. If you're
getting file is full in other circumstances, then you'll need to
describe them.

To subscribe to the fs support list, send an email to 

support-request@lists.freedomscientific.com

Leave the subject blank. In the body of the message put the line

subscribe

You'll get a reply from the list serve, and just follow the instructions
you find in that to confirm the subscription. This list is only meant
for discussion of the legacy notetakers such as the bns 640/2000, and
the Millennium units. It isn't meant for discussion of openbook, jfw, or
pac mate, since there are separate lists for discussing those. Hth.

Greg


On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:02:58PM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> Can you post the address of that fs support list? I have some 
> questions for them about how to keep a bns from giving me a "file is 
> full" message, a problem which ocurs both in and outside of speakup.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: M20/40 status.
> 
> 
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> > Yes, this is correct. The Millennium 20/40 units from Freedom 
> > Scientific can be used as tts speech synthesizers with speakup or 
> > any other screen reader since firmware version 4.0, or 4.1. Actually

> > I've just looked at the freedom scientific site download section, 
> > and I see that firmware 4.0 can be downloaded for free, so the tts 
> > functionality is available since 4.1 and higher, because I remember 
> > that the speech box mode was reintroduced in the first non-free 
> > firmware update, and that appears to be 4.1, rather then 4.0. As far

> > as I know, the Millennium 20/40 would be used with a screen reader 
> > as a doubletalk lt, the speakup keyword for which is ltlk I believe.

> > I'm going to post to the fs support list, so we can end the 
> > speculation once and for all.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:43:25PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > As one who maintains some of the documentation, I want to be very 
> > > precise about this.
> > >
> > > Are you saying that certain ROM revisions of the Freedom 
> > > Scientific Millennium will function as TTS speech synths for 
> > > current, CVS versions of Speakup?
> > >
> > > You say "M20/40" by which I understand both Millennium 20 and 
> > > Millennium 40. But what ROM versions? Beginning with what 
> > > revision?
> > >
> > > And, do I understand that the speakup_synth keyword for these is 
> > > 'bns?' Is this what you're saying?
> > >
> >
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Re: Internet Broadcasting

[hank]

what is the linux audio list info didn't know there was a linux audio list 
for the vblind
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting


>I believe the original post had to do with serving streams which would
> be a job for icecast--assuming we're talking audio.
>
> When you ask about tools, the list gets very long indeed. For that I
> would suggest the Linux Audio lists. Some of the basics, though, are
> sox, and ecasound.
>
> I am currently adding tracks to some studio sessions using ecasound.
>
> Karen Lewellen writes:
>> I realize I may be starting a fight, but care to give me a list of
>> Internet broadcasting tools which work in Linux?
>> I ask for two reasons,  all of the spectrum radio people I talk with, as
>> in on the dial radio tell me that while they would love to use Linux for
>> things like editing  and  other work when it crosses over to the net, it
>> is just not stable.
>> Second one of the most respected blind Internet broadcasters Steve Wolf, 
>> I
>> believe that is his first name
>> at wolffm.com
>> told me the same thing when I asked the same question that all his
>> broadcasting related things were still done in Windows.  Granted these
>> people are used to working in the traditional broadcasting industry, not
>> just putting something together from home.
>> Still no one knows everything on Linux, and things change all the time
>> with upgrades.  And it has been a while since I asked Steve at least.
>>
>> so, may I just have a list of useful tools, and if such tools are more
>> commonly found in one Distribution than another?
>> Thanks,
>> Karen
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka, Chair
> Accessibility Workgroup
> Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re[2]: Internet Broadcasting

[Stephen Clower]

Hello Hank,

     They come up when you use Google. Why not try that first before
     asking?


On Thursday, October 28, 2004, 1:29:15 AM, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. decided to say:

> what is the linux audio list info didn't know there was a linux audio list
> for the vblind
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting


>>I believe the original post had to do with serving streams which would
>> be a job for icecast--assuming we're talking audio.
>>
>> When you ask about tools, the list gets very long indeed. For that I
>> would suggest the Linux Audio lists. Some of the basics, though, are
>> sox, and ecasound.
>>
>> I am currently adding tracks to some studio sessions using ecasound.
>>
>> Karen Lewellen writes:
>>> I realize I may be starting a fight, but care to give me a list of
>>> Internet broadcasting tools which work in Linux?
>>> I ask for two reasons,  all of the spectrum radio people I talk with, as
>>> in on the dial radio tell me that while they would love to use Linux for
>>> things like editing  and  other work when it crosses over to the net, it
>>> is just not stable.
>>> Second one of the most respected blind Internet broadcasters Steve Wolf,
>>> I
>>> believe that is his first name
>>> at wolffm.com
>>> told me the same thing when I asked the same question that all his
>>> broadcasting related things were still done in Windows.  Granted these
>>> people are used to working in the traditional broadcasting industry, not
>>> just putting something together from home.
>>> Still no one knows everything on Linux, and things change all the time
>>> with upgrades.  And it has been a while since I asked Steve at least.
>>>
>>> so, may I just have a list of useful tools, and if such tools are more
>>> commonly found in one Distribution than another?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Janina Sajka, Chair
>> Accessibility Workgroup
>> Free Standards Group (FSG)
>>
>> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 



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Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
  You can reach me by any of the following:
Email/MSN Messenger: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03
Skype: sclower

You can also visit my little home on the web at
http://www.steve-audio.net/

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Janina Sajka]

hank writes:
> what is the linux audio list info didn't know there was a linux audio list 
> for the vblind

No, I never said there was.

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Janina Sajka]

Luke Yelavich writes:
> > Does anyone here use gstreamer from the cli? Did you know you can? I 
> > just learned that the other day.
> 
> You learn something new every day. I must check it out. :)
> 
I didn't mean to be mysterious, so I'll share exactly what I have. This
came up in the context of our FSG Accessibility Workgroup's desire to
stream our January conference on the net using Fluendo, the Vorbis
video/audio lib theora streamer. Here's the salient part of the email I
got from Fluendo's maintainer:

From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller <christian@fluendo.com>

Hi Janina,
Sorry for the late reply. The first version of the server is now
available on the Fluendo website.

As for a shell script for playing back the stream with GStreamer
something containing something like this should work:
gst-launch gnomevfssrc location=http://mirror.fluendo.com:8800 !
decodebin ! alsasink

Using osssink instead of alsasink might be an advantage since it is more
broadly deployed. There is also a sunaudiosink for Solaris users.

The http address of course you replace with your own.

As for mplayer you just run: mplayer http://mirror.fluendo.com:8000 and
it should work. People just need to make sure they have a new Theora
enabled mplayer installed.
 
				Janina

> Luke
> 
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Re: Internet Broadcasting

[hank]

how do you get the audio and video content to the server? or is this one of 
those server/clients thingys?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting


> Luke Yelavich writes:
>> > Does anyone here use gstreamer from the cli? Did you know you can? I
>> > just learned that the other day.
>>
>> You learn something new every day. I must check it out. :)
>>
> I didn't mean to be mysterious, so I'll share exactly what I have. This
> came up in the context of our FSG Accessibility Workgroup's desire to
> stream our January conference on the net using Fluendo, the Vorbis
> video/audio lib theora streamer. Here's the salient part of the email I
> got from Fluendo's maintainer:
>
> From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller <christian@fluendo.com>
>
> Hi Janina,
> Sorry for the late reply. The first version of the server is now
> available on the Fluendo website.
>
> As for a shell script for playing back the stream with GStreamer
> something containing something like this should work:
> gst-launch gnomevfssrc location=http://mirror.fluendo.com:8800 !
> decodebin ! alsasink
>
> Using osssink instead of alsasink might be an advantage since it is more
> broadly deployed. There is also a sunaudiosink for Solaris users.
>
> The http address of course you replace with your own.
>
> As for mplayer you just run: mplayer http://mirror.fluendo.com:8000 and
> it should work. People just need to make sure they have a new Theora
> enabled mplayer installed.
>
> Janina
>
>> Luke
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka, Chair
> Accessibility Workgroup
> Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[hank]

then what linux audio lists are you refering to then?
the only other linux list I know of is blinux

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting


> hank writes:
>> what is the linux audio list info didn't know there was a linux audio 
>> list
>> for the vblind
>
> No, I never said there was.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Helping the Newby

[John McCann]

Ah yes, now that "run level" stuff is coming back to me from what I read in 
a linux book about a week ago. Indeed, I even now remember changing one 
digit in the inittab file from "5" to "3" so that my machine wouldn't boot 
up in "gui" mode. (Of course, given how often I've rebooted, or had to 
reboot, come to find out I really didn't need to "sweat" that one over 
much.)

Just a brief note to thank you, Greg, and you, Janina, for the "on list" 
edification.

John

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Janina Sajka]

With respect to this tool? I have no idea. It was only just released.
Besides, I wouldn't presume to focus the video stream. And, if I were to
stream only audio, I would use a different tool.

hank writes:
> how do you get the audio and video content to the server? or is this one of 
> those server/clients thingys?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting
> 
> 
> >Luke Yelavich writes:
> >>> Does anyone here use gstreamer from the cli? Did you know you can? I
> >>> just learned that the other day.
> >>
> >>You learn something new every day. I must check it out. :)
> >>
> >I didn't mean to be mysterious, so I'll share exactly what I have. This
> >came up in the context of our FSG Accessibility Workgroup's desire to
> >stream our January conference on the net using Fluendo, the Vorbis
> >video/audio lib theora streamer. Here's the salient part of the email I
> >got from Fluendo's maintainer:
> >
> >From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller <christian@fluendo.com>
> >
> >Hi Janina,
> >Sorry for the late reply. The first version of the server is now
> >available on the Fluendo website.
> >
> >As for a shell script for playing back the stream with GStreamer
> >something containing something like this should work:
> >gst-launch gnomevfssrc location=http://mirror.fluendo.com:8800 !
> >decodebin ! alsasink
> >
> >Using osssink instead of alsasink might be an advantage since it is more
> >broadly deployed. There is also a sunaudiosink for Solaris users.
> >
> >The http address of course you replace with your own.
> >
> >As for mplayer you just run: mplayer http://mirror.fluendo.com:8000 and
> >it should work. People just need to make sure they have a new Theora
> >enabled mplayer installed.
> >
> >Janina
> >
> >>Luke
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Speakup mailing list
> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >Janina Sajka, Chair
> >Accessibility Workgroup
> >Free Standards Group (FSG)
> >
> >janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> 
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				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Janina Sajka]

There's a list called exactly that, "linux audio." There's also a linux
audio dev list. Go to Google and put "linux audio" in the search field.
There's nothing secret about this.

hank writes:
> then what linux audio lists are you refering to then?
> the only other linux list I know of is blinux
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 6:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting
> 
> 
> >hank writes:
> >>what is the linux audio list info didn't know there was a linux audio 
> >>list
> >>for the vblind
> >
> >No, I never said there was.
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[nick G]

Icecast is the server that will support Theora.  Icecast was given 
experimental Theora support, as well as Vorbis 1.1, Flack, and Speex.  OF 
those tools only Vorbis 1.1 is in the stable release.
Thanks
Nick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting


> With respect to this tool? I have no idea. It was only just released.
> Besides, I wouldn't presume to focus the video stream. And, if I were to
> stream only audio, I would use a different tool.
>
> hank writes:
>> how do you get the audio and video content to the server? or is this one 
>> of
>> those server/clients thingys?
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting
>>
>>
>> >Luke Yelavich writes:
>> >>> Does anyone here use gstreamer from the cli? Did you know you can? I
>> >>> just learned that the other day.
>> >>
>> >>You learn something new every day. I must check it out. :)
>> >>
>> >I didn't mean to be mysterious, so I'll share exactly what I have. This
>> >came up in the context of our FSG Accessibility Workgroup's desire to
>> >stream our January conference on the net using Fluendo, the Vorbis
>> >video/audio lib theora streamer. Here's the salient part of the email I
>> >got from Fluendo's maintainer:
>> >
>> >From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller <christian@fluendo.com>
>> >
>> >Hi Janina,
>> >Sorry for the late reply. The first version of the server is now
>> >available on the Fluendo website.
>> >
>> >As for a shell script for playing back the stream with GStreamer
>> >something containing something like this should work:
>> >gst-launch gnomevfssrc location=http://mirror.fluendo.com:8800 !
>> >decodebin ! alsasink
>> >
>> >Using osssink instead of alsasink might be an advantage since it is more
>> >broadly deployed. There is also a sunaudiosink for Solaris users.
>> >
>> >The http address of course you replace with your own.
>> >
>> >As for mplayer you just run: mplayer http://mirror.fluendo.com:8000 and
>> >it should work. People just need to make sure they have a new Theora
>> >enabled mplayer installed.
>> >
>> >Janina
>> >
>> >>Luke
>> >>
>> >>_______________________________________________
>> >>Speakup mailing list
>> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >
>> >Janina Sajka, Chair
>> >Accessibility Workgroup
>> >Free Standards Group (FSG)
>> >
>> >janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka, Chair
> Accessibility Workgroup
> Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Janina Sajka]

hank writes:
> you can't cross faid with linux and I have yet to find a consol program 
> that does this sort of thing
> any one know something I don't?

I came across the following today. So, I may not have known something
yesterday, but today I'll point you to:

http://gdam.sourceforge.net/

Happy DJing.

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Janina Sajka]

I think you should state what you mean by "stable."

nick G writes:
> Icecast is the server that will support Theora.  Icecast was given 
> experimental Theora support, as well as Vorbis 1.1, Flack, and Speex.  OF 
> those tools only Vorbis 1.1 is in the stable release.
> Thanks
> Nick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting
> 
> 
> >With respect to this tool? I have no idea. It was only just released.
> >Besides, I wouldn't presume to focus the video stream. And, if I were to
> >stream only audio, I would use a different tool.
> >
> >hank writes:
> >>how do you get the audio and video content to the server? or is this one 
> >>of
> >>those server/clients thingys?
> >>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> >>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> >><speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >>Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:06 AM
> >>Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting
> >>
> >>
> >>>Luke Yelavich writes:
> >>>>> Does anyone here use gstreamer from the cli? Did you know you can? I
> >>>>> just learned that the other day.
> >>>>
> >>>>You learn something new every day. I must check it out. :)
> >>>>
> >>>I didn't mean to be mysterious, so I'll share exactly what I have. This
> >>>came up in the context of our FSG Accessibility Workgroup's desire to
> >>>stream our January conference on the net using Fluendo, the Vorbis
> >>>video/audio lib theora streamer. Here's the salient part of the email I
> >>>got from Fluendo's maintainer:
> >>>
> >>>From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller <christian@fluendo.com>
> >>>
> >>>Hi Janina,
> >>>Sorry for the late reply. The first version of the server is now
> >>>available on the Fluendo website.
> >>>
> >>>As for a shell script for playing back the stream with GStreamer
> >>>something containing something like this should work:
> >>>gst-launch gnomevfssrc location=http://mirror.fluendo.com:8800 !
> >>>decodebin ! alsasink
> >>>
> >>>Using osssink instead of alsasink might be an advantage since it is more
> >>>broadly deployed. There is also a sunaudiosink for Solaris users.
> >>>
> >>>The http address of course you replace with your own.
> >>>
> >>>As for mplayer you just run: mplayer http://mirror.fluendo.com:8000 and
> >>>it should work. People just need to make sure they have a new Theora
> >>>enabled mplayer installed.
> >>>
> >>>Janina
> >>>
> >>>>Luke
> >>>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>Speakup mailing list
> >>>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>
> >>>-- 
> >>>
> >>>Janina Sajka, Chair
> >>>Accessibility Workgroup
> >>>Free Standards Group (FSG)
> >>>
> >>>janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Speakup mailing list
> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Speakup mailing list
> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >Janina Sajka, Chair
> >Accessibility Workgroup
> >Free Standards Group (FSG)
> >
> >janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Chair
				Accessibility Workgroup
				Free Standards Group (FSG)

janina@freestandards.org	Phone: +1 202.494.7040

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[nick G]

You know, the stable release, as aposed to the CVS release.  The one that 
they have RPM's for.
Thanks,
Nick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting


>I think you should state what you mean by "stable."
>
> nick G writes:
>> Icecast is the server that will support Theora.  Icecast was given
>> experimental Theora support, as well as Vorbis 1.1, Flack, and Speex.  OF
>> those tools only Vorbis 1.1 is in the stable release.
>> Thanks
>> Nick
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting
>>
>>
>> >With respect to this tool? I have no idea. It was only just released.
>> >Besides, I wouldn't presume to focus the video stream. And, if I were to
>> >stream only audio, I would use a different tool.
>> >
>> >hank writes:
>> >>how do you get the audio and video content to the server? or is this 
>> >>one
>> >>of
>> >>those server/clients thingys?
>> >>----- Original Message ----- 
>> >>From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
>> >>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
>> >><speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> >>Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:06 AM
>> >>Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Luke Yelavich writes:
>> >>>>> Does anyone here use gstreamer from the cli? Did you know you can? 
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>> just learned that the other day.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>You learn something new every day. I must check it out. :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>I didn't mean to be mysterious, so I'll share exactly what I have. 
>> >>>This
>> >>>came up in the context of our FSG Accessibility Workgroup's desire to
>> >>>stream our January conference on the net using Fluendo, the Vorbis
>> >>>video/audio lib theora streamer. Here's the salient part of the email 
>> >>>I
>> >>>got from Fluendo's maintainer:
>> >>>
>> >>>From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller <christian@fluendo.com>
>> >>>
>> >>>Hi Janina,
>> >>>Sorry for the late reply. The first version of the server is now
>> >>>available on the Fluendo website.
>> >>>
>> >>>As for a shell script for playing back the stream with GStreamer
>> >>>something containing something like this should work:
>> >>>gst-launch gnomevfssrc location=http://mirror.fluendo.com:8800 !
>> >>>decodebin ! alsasink
>> >>>
>> >>>Using osssink instead of alsasink might be an advantage since it is 
>> >>>more
>> >>>broadly deployed. There is also a sunaudiosink for Solaris users.
>> >>>
>> >>>The http address of course you replace with your own.
>> >>>
>> >>>As for mplayer you just run: mplayer http://mirror.fluendo.com:8000 
>> >>>and
>> >>>it should work. People just need to make sure they have a new Theora
>> >>>enabled mplayer installed.
>> >>>
>> >>>Janina
>> >>>
>> >>>>Luke
>> >>>>
>> >>>>_______________________________________________
>> >>>>Speakup mailing list
>> >>>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>>
>> >>>-- 
>> >>>
>> >>>Janina Sajka, Chair
>> >>>Accessibility Workgroup
>> >>>Free Standards Group (FSG)
>> >>>
>> >>>janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>_______________________________________________
>> >>>Speakup mailing list
>> >>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>_______________________________________________
>> >>Speakup mailing list
>> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >
>> >Janina Sajka, Chair
>> >Accessibility Workgroup
>> >Free Standards Group (FSG)
>> >
>> >janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
>
> Janina Sajka, Chair
> Accessibility Workgroup
> Free Standards Group (FSG)
>
> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[hank]

I can't find windows clients for these let alone linux clients for these are 
they barried in the site?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "nick G" <Nick6489@andrelouis.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting


> Icecast is the server that will support Theora.  Icecast was given 
> experimental Theora support, as well as Vorbis 1.1, Flack, and Speex.  OF 
> those tools only Vorbis 1.1 is in the stable release.
> Thanks
> Nick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting
>
>
>> With respect to this tool? I have no idea. It was only just released.
>> Besides, I wouldn't presume to focus the video stream. And, if I were to
>> stream only audio, I would use a different tool.
>>
>> hank writes:
>>> how do you get the audio and video content to the server? or is this one 
>>> of
>>> those server/clients thingys?
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
>>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 7:06 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Internet Broadcasting
>>>
>>>
>>> >Luke Yelavich writes:
>>> >>> Does anyone here use gstreamer from the cli? Did you know you can? I
>>> >>> just learned that the other day.
>>> >>
>>> >>You learn something new every day. I must check it out. :)
>>> >>
>>> >I didn't mean to be mysterious, so I'll share exactly what I have. This
>>> >came up in the context of our FSG Accessibility Workgroup's desire to
>>> >stream our January conference on the net using Fluendo, the Vorbis
>>> >video/audio lib theora streamer. Here's the salient part of the email I
>>> >got from Fluendo's maintainer:
>>> >
>>> >From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller <christian@fluendo.com>
>>> >
>>> >Hi Janina,
>>> >Sorry for the late reply. The first version of the server is now
>>> >available on the Fluendo website.
>>> >
>>> >As for a shell script for playing back the stream with GStreamer
>>> >something containing something like this should work:
>>> >gst-launch gnomevfssrc location=http://mirror.fluendo.com:8800 !
>>> >decodebin ! alsasink
>>> >
>>> >Using osssink instead of alsasink might be an advantage since it is 
>>> >more
>>> >broadly deployed. There is also a sunaudiosink for Solaris users.
>>> >
>>> >The http address of course you replace with your own.
>>> >
>>> >As for mplayer you just run: mplayer http://mirror.fluendo.com:8000 and
>>> >it should work. People just need to make sure they have a new Theora
>>> >enabled mplayer installed.
>>> >
>>> >Janina
>>> >
>>> >>Luke
>>> >>
>>> >>_______________________________________________
>>> >>Speakup mailing list
>>> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >
>>> >-- 
>>> >
>>> >Janina Sajka, Chair
>>> >Accessibility Workgroup
>>> >Free Standards Group (FSG)
>>> >
>>> >janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >_______________________________________________
>>> >Speakup mailing list
>>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Janina Sajka, Chair
>> Accessibility Workgroup
>> Free Standards Group (FSG)
>>
>> janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: Internet Broadcasting

[Janina Sajka]

Apropos Internet Broadcasting --

I just came across the following on the Linux Audio list and thought it
might be a resource others on this list might want to check out.
Clearly, it's not written with the blind user in mind, but should
nevertheless prove helpful:

From: adam <adam@xs4all.nl>

Hi,

r a d i o q u a l i a have just finished the first version of a
streaming manual for those wishing to learn how to stream under Linux.
Its intended as a manual to accompany a hands-on self-learning or
workshop based approach. No previous knowledge of Linux is assumed.
Another manual on 'advanced topics' will be forthcoming.

Topics include:
Introduction to Streaming
Introduction to Your Soundcard
External Audio Devices
Mixing Desks
Cables and Connectors
Hardware Set-up for Live Streaming
Plugging in
The Art of Mixing
Introduction to Linux Windowing Systems
Introduction to Linux File Structure
Some Linux Commands you Should Know
Connecting to the Internet with Linux
Installing Software on Linux
Introduction to Linux Sound Architecture
Linux Software - Mixers
Linux Software - XMMS
Linux Software - Test Editors
Linux Software - FTP
Installing MuSE
Live Streaming with MuSE
Creating Playlist Files
Linking with HTML
MIME types
The Politics of Streaming (rant)
Streaming with playlists from MuSE
Setting up Icecast2
Using Icecast2
Other Tools

The manual is released under Creatice Commonds Attributive ShareAlike
NonCommercial License 2.0. Feel free to nuse, ammend, distribute.

It is available as a PDF from:
http://www.radioqualia.net/streaming_manual

If you spot any errors or ways to improve the manual please let me know!

adam

Adam Hyde