linux notetaker

linux notetaker

[Angelo Sonnesso]

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Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
How about pocket devices?
Thanks


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RE: Linux note taker

[Darragh]

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If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a Pac Mate
from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux onto
it.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
  Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
  To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
  Subject: linux notetaker


  Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
  How about pocket devices?
  Thanks

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Re: Linux note taker

[David Poehlman]

you cannot install linux on it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:42 AM
Subject: RE: Linux note taker


If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a Pac Mate
from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux onto
it.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
  Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
  To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
  Subject: linux notetaker


  Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
  How about pocket devices?
  Thanks

Re: linux notetaker

[David Poehlman]

well, there is the elba from:
http://www.sighted.com
it is a linux box.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angelo Sonnesso" <asonnesso@gemdayservices.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:21 AM
Subject: linux notetaker


Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
How about pocket devices?
Thanks

Re: Linux note taker

[Kenny Hitt]

Why?  Please provide details.

          Kenny
	  On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 09:59:14AM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> you cannot install linux on it.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:42 AM
> Subject: RE: Linux note taker
> 
> 
> If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a Pac Mate
> from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux onto
> it.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
> Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
>   Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
>   To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>   Subject: linux notetaker
> 
> 
>   Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
>   How about pocket devices?
>   Thanks
> 
> 
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Re: Linux note taker

[Lorenzo Prince]

Actually, a laptop is usually a better notetaker than anything that these
money-hungry companies are offering.  A simple braille 'n speak is $1395.
I psid $809 for a fairly laptop and put linux on it using speakup when I
want to use hardware speech, and yasr when I don't want to carry around my
dectalk.  And I am getting $200 more off that.  In my opinion, notetakers
for the blind are greately overpriced, and laptops that run Linux are a
much more cost-effective choice.

Lorenzo

Sigh.  I like to think it's just the Linux people who want to be on
the "leading edge" so bad they walk right off the precipice.
	-- Craig E. Groeschel

David Poehlman staggered into view and mumbled:

> you cannot install linux on it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:42 AM
> Subject: RE: Linux note taker
>
>
> If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a Pac Mate
> from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux onto
> it.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
> Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
>   Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
>   To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>   Subject: linux notetaker
>
>
>   Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
>   How about pocket devices?
>   Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Linux note taker

[David Poehlman]

agreed.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


Actually, a laptop is usually a better notetaker than anything that these
money-hungry companies are offering.  A simple braille 'n speak is $1395.
I psid $809 for a fairly laptop and put linux on it using speakup when I
want to use hardware speech, and yasr when I don't want to carry around my
dectalk.  And I am getting $200 more off that.  In my opinion, notetakers
for the blind are greately overpriced, and laptops that run Linux are a
much more cost-effective choice.

Lorenzo

Sigh.  I like to think it's just the Linux people who want to be on
the "leading edge" so bad they walk right off the precipice.
-- Craig E. Groeschel

David Poehlman staggered into view and mumbled:

> you cannot install linux on it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:42 AM
> Subject: RE: Linux note taker
>
>
> If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a Pac
Mate
> from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux
onto
> it.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
> Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
>   Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
>   To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>   Subject: linux notetaker
>
>
>   Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
>   How about pocket devices?
>   Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: Linux note taker

[Darrell Shandrow]

Hi Lorenzo,

A smaller device such as a note taker can provide much better battery life
than any laptop.  I use my BrailleNote for taking notes in class, and it
lasts just about two weeks on a charge!

Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
A+, CCNA, Network+!
Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i
All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


> Actually, a laptop is usually a better notetaker than anything that these
> money-hungry companies are offering.  A simple braille 'n speak is $1395.
> I psid $809 for a fairly laptop and put linux on it using speakup when I
> want to use hardware speech, and yasr when I don't want to carry around my
> dectalk.  And I am getting $200 more off that.  In my opinion, notetakers
> for the blind are greately overpriced, and laptops that run Linux are a
> much more cost-effective choice.
>
> Lorenzo
>
> Sigh.  I like to think it's just the Linux people who want to be on
> the "leading edge" so bad they walk right off the precipice.
> -- Craig E. Groeschel
>
> David Poehlman staggered into view and mumbled:
>
> > you cannot install linux on it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:42 AM
> > Subject: RE: Linux note taker
> >
> >
> > If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a Pac
Mate
> > from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux
onto
> > it.
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
> > Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
> >   Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
> >   To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >   Subject: linux notetaker
> >
> >
> >   Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
> >   How about pocket devices?
> >   Thanks
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
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Re: Linux note taker

[Tommy Moore]

I'm with Darrell on this one.
Laptops just don't have the battery life the specialized devices do...

Tommy

On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 07:50:51AM -0700, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
> Hi Lorenzo,
> 
> A smaller device such as a note taker can provide much better battery life
> than any laptop.  I use my BrailleNote for taking notes in class, and it
> lasts just about two weeks on a charge!
> 
> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i
> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Linux note taker
> 
> 
> > Actually, a laptop is usually a better notetaker than anything that these
> > money-hungry companies are offering.  A simple braille 'n speak is $1395.
> > I psid $809 for a fairly laptop and put linux on it using speakup when I
> > want to use hardware speech, and yasr when I don't want to carry around my
> > dectalk.  And I am getting $200 more off that.  In my opinion, notetakers
> > for the blind are greately overpriced, and laptops that run Linux are a
> > much more cost-effective choice.
> >
> > Lorenzo
> >
> > Sigh.  I like to think it's just the Linux people who want to be on
> > the "leading edge" so bad they walk right off the precipice.
> > -- Craig E. Groeschel
> >
> > David Poehlman staggered into view and mumbled:
> >
> > > you cannot install linux on it.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:42 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Linux note taker
> > >
> > >
> > > If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a Pac
> Mate
> > > from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux
> onto
> > > it.
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
> > > Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
> > >   Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
> > >   To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >   Subject: linux notetaker
> > >
> > >
> > >   Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
> > >   How about pocket devices?
> > >   Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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Re: Linux note taker

[David Poehlman]

some one else will have to provide the details, but as I understand it, jaws
and ce are in the firmware and the keyboard will not function without jaws.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenny Hitt" <kennyhitt@knology.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


Why?  Please provide details.

          Kenny
  On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 09:59:14AM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> you cannot install linux on it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:42 AM
> Subject: RE: Linux note taker
>
>
> If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a Pac
Mate
> from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux
onto
> it.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
> Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
>   Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
>   To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>   Subject: linux notetaker
>
>
>   Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
>   How about pocket devices?
>   Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

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Re: Linux note taker

[David Poehlman]

yeah, but you can get an extra batery and you can plug them in.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tommy Moore" <tmoore@cmrc.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


I'm with Darrell on this one.
Laptops just don't have the battery life the specialized devices do...

Tommy

On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 07:50:51AM -0700, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
> Hi Lorenzo,
>
> A smaller device such as a note taker can provide much better battery life
> than any laptop.  I use my BrailleNote for taking notes in class, and it
> lasts just about two weeks on a charge!
>
> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i
> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Linux note taker
>
>
> > Actually, a laptop is usually a better notetaker than anything that
these
> > money-hungry companies are offering.  A simple braille 'n speak is
$1395.
> > I psid $809 for a fairly laptop and put linux on it using speakup when I
> > want to use hardware speech, and yasr when I don't want to carry around
my
> > dectalk.  And I am getting $200 more off that.  In my opinion,
notetakers
> > for the blind are greately overpriced, and laptops that run Linux are a
> > much more cost-effective choice.
> >
> > Lorenzo
> >
> > Sigh.  I like to think it's just the Linux people who want to be on
> > the "leading edge" so bad they walk right off the precipice.
> > -- Craig E. Groeschel
> >
> > David Poehlman staggered into view and mumbled:
> >
> > > you cannot install linux on it.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:42 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Linux note taker
> > >
> > >
> > > If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a
Pac
> Mate
> > > from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux
> onto
> > > it.
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
> > > Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
> > >   Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
> > >   To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >   Subject: linux notetaker
> > >
> > >
> > >   Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
> > >   How about pocket devices?
> > >   Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: Linux note taker

[David Poehlman]

that does not justify the price in comparison though.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


Hi Lorenzo,

A smaller device such as a note taker can provide much better battery life
than any laptop.  I use my BrailleNote for taking notes in class, and it
lasts just about two weeks on a charge!

Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
A+, CCNA, Network+!
Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i
All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


> Actually, a laptop is usually a better notetaker than anything that these
> money-hungry companies are offering.  A simple braille 'n speak is $1395.
> I psid $809 for a fairly laptop and put linux on it using speakup when I
> want to use hardware speech, and yasr when I don't want to carry around my
> dectalk.  And I am getting $200 more off that.  In my opinion, notetakers
> for the blind are greately overpriced, and laptops that run Linux are a
> much more cost-effective choice.
>
> Lorenzo
>
> Sigh.  I like to think it's just the Linux people who want to be on
> the "leading edge" so bad they walk right off the precipice.
> -- Craig E. Groeschel
>
> David Poehlman staggered into view and mumbled:
>
> > you cannot install linux on it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:42 AM
> > Subject: RE: Linux note taker
> >
> >
> > If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a Pac
Mate
> > from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux
onto
> > it.
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
> > Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
> >   Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
> >   To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >   Subject: linux notetaker
> >
> >
> >   Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
> >   How about pocket devices?
> >   Thanks
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
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RE: Linux note taker

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Naw, I wouldn't want to do that.  You'd abregate your warrantee if you
did that.  Rather, check out the Elba by Papenmeyer.  

Ann P.

-- 
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email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: Linux note taker

[David Poehlman]

ah, get an old used laptop in good working order, wipe it and put anything
ya want on it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 12:11 PM
Subject: RE: Linux note taker


Hi all,

Naw, I wouldn't want to do that.  You'd abregate your warrantee if you
did that.  Rather, check out the Elba by Papenmeyer.

Ann P.

--
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email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
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Re: Linux note taker

[Patrick Turnage]

Ya that's my big thing battery life.
I think those devices Pacmate and BrailleNote could be made to work with
Linux if someone wanted to risk having theirs perminately messed up.
Because of the cost of these devices no one is jumping at the opportunity..
sincerely,
Patrick
At 11:06 AM 4/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm with Darrell on this one.
>Laptops just don't have the battery life the specialized devices do...
>
>Tommy
>
>On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 07:50:51AM -0700, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
>> Hi Lorenzo,
>> 
>> A smaller device such as a note taker can provide much better battery life
>> than any laptop.  I use my BrailleNote for taking notes in class, and it
>> lasts just about two weeks on a charge!
>> 
>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
>> A+, CCNA, Network+!
>> Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i
>> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: Linux note taker
>> 
>> 
>> > Actually, a laptop is usually a better notetaker than anything that these
>> > money-hungry companies are offering.  A simple braille 'n speak is $1395.
>> > I psid $809 for a fairly laptop and put linux on it using speakup when I
>> > want to use hardware speech, and yasr when I don't want to carry
around my
>> > dectalk.  And I am getting $200 more off that.  In my opinion, notetakers
>> > for the blind are greately overpriced, and laptops that run Linux are a
>> > much more cost-effective choice.
>> >
>> > Lorenzo
>> >
>> > Sigh.  I like to think it's just the Linux people who want to be on
>> > the "leading edge" so bad they walk right off the precipice.
>> > -- Craig E. Groeschel
>> >
>> > David Poehlman staggered into view and mumbled:
>> >
>> > > you cannot install linux on it.
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
>> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:42 AM
>> > > Subject: RE: Linux note taker
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a Pac
>> Mate
>> > > from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux
>> onto
>> > > it.
>> > >   -----Original Message-----
>> > >   From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
>> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
>> > > Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
>> > >   Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
>> > >   To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > >   Subject: linux notetaker
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >   Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
>> > >   How about pocket devices?
>> > >   Thanks
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Speakup mailing list
>> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> > >
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>> 
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Re: Linux note taker

[Mikko Liukko]

Hello list

My homble opinion towards a future notetaker is a mobile phone or pda.
At the moment I have a beta machine ( ipaq with gprs, gsm and gps)
It talks to me and I can give it some simple commands. It also tells me what 
bus is coming or what route to take. Basically any www information can be 
added to it.. At the moment the accuracy is around 15 meters but in couple of 
years in around one meter and at that time ipaq will be a size of a mobile 
phone. One thing that could be very interesting is to add a elastic braille 
keyboard into in or actually somewhere your clothes.

Ok got bit excited.

Mikko

On Wednesday 23 April 2003 19:33, Patrick Turnage wrote:
> Ya that's my big thing battery life.
> I think those devices Pacmate and BrailleNote could be made to work with
> Linux if someone wanted to risk having theirs perminately messed up.
> Because of the cost of these devices no one is jumping at the opportunity..
> sincerely,
> Patrick
>
> At 11:06 AM 4/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >I'm with Darrell on this one.
> >Laptops just don't have the battery life the specialized devices do...
> >
> >Tommy
> >
> >On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 07:50:51AM -0700, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
> >> Hi Lorenzo,
> >>
> >> A smaller device such as a note taker can provide much better battery
> >> life than any laptop.  I use my BrailleNote for taking notes in class,
> >> and it lasts just about two weeks on a charge!
> >>
> >> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> >> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> >> Check out high quality telecommunications services at
> >> http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out
> >> Operation Iraqi Freedom! ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
> >> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:20 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Linux note taker
> >>
> >> > Actually, a laptop is usually a better notetaker than anything that
> >> > these money-hungry companies are offering.  A simple braille 'n speak
> >> > is $1395. I psid $809 for a fairly laptop and put linux on it using
> >> > speakup when I want to use hardware speech, and yasr when I don't want
> >> > to carry
>
> around my
>
> >> > dectalk.  And I am getting $200 more off that.  In my opinion,
> >> > notetakers for the blind are greately overpriced, and laptops that run
> >> > Linux are a much more cost-effective choice.
> >> >
> >> > Lorenzo
> >> >
> >> > Sigh.  I like to think it's just the Linux people who want to be on
> >> > the "leading edge" so bad they walk right off the precipice.
> >> > -- Craig E. Groeschel
> >> >
> >> > David Poehlman staggered into view and mumbled:
> >> > > you cannot install linux on it.
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
> >> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:42 AM
> >> > > Subject: RE: Linux note taker
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a
> >> > > Pac
> >>
> >> Mate
> >>
> >> > > from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install
> >> > > Linux
> >>
> >> onto
> >>
> >> > > it.
> >> > >   -----Original Message-----
> >> > >   From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> >>
> >> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
> >>
> >> > > Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
> >> > >   Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
> >> > >   To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > >   Subject: linux notetaker
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >   Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
> >> > >   How about pocket devices?
> >> > >   Thanks
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Speakup mailing list
> >> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
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> -----
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> AOL Instant Messenger: kg4dqk
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> Connecting the world to access technology information.
> For all mainstream and adaptive hardware and software.
>
>
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Mr. Mikko Liukko
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mobile +35850 59 434 66

Man so great inventing machines, so stupid in living.

Re: Linux note taker

[Lorenzo Prince]

However, a braille note is, or at least was not that long ago, about
$4000.  For that price, you can get about 20 to 30 extra batteries for a
laptop.

Lorenzo

And 1.1.81 is officially BugFree(tm), so if you receive any bug-reports
on it, you know they are just evil lies.
	-- Linus Torvalds

Darrell Shandrow staggered into view and mumbled:

> Hi Lorenzo,
>
> A smaller device such as a note taker can provide much better battery life
> than any laptop.  I use my BrailleNote for taking notes in class, and it
> lasts just about two weeks on a charge!
>
> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i
> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Linux note taker
>
>
> > Actually, a laptop is usually a better notetaker than anything that these
> > money-hungry companies are offering.  A simple braille 'n speak is $1395.
> > I psid $809 for a fairly laptop and put linux on it using speakup when I
> > want to use hardware speech, and yasr when I don't want to carry around my
> > dectalk.  And I am getting $200 more off that.  In my opinion, notetakers
> > for the blind are greately overpriced, and laptops that run Linux are a
> > much more cost-effective choice.
> >
> > Lorenzo
> >
> > Sigh.  I like to think it's just the Linux people who want to be on
> > the "leading edge" so bad they walk right off the precipice.
> > -- Craig E. Groeschel
> >
> > David Poehlman staggered into view and mumbled:
> >
> > > you cannot install linux on it.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:42 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Linux note taker
> > >
> > >
> > > If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a Pac
> Mate
> > > from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux
> onto
> > > it.
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
> > > Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
> > >   Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
> > >   To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >   Subject: linux notetaker
> > >
> > >
> > >   Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
> > >   How about pocket devices?
> > >   Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: Linux note taker

[Lorenzo Prince]

Some companies say your warranty is void if you pot a different operating
system on the computer, but there is always the restore disk.  I was told
when I bought my laptop that the warrenty just covers the hardware, and I
could take off the software.

Lorenzo

The game, anoraks.2.0.0.tgz, will be available from sunsite until somebody
responsible notices it and deletes it, and shortly from
ftp.mee.tcd.ie/pub/Brian, though they don't know that yet.
	-- Brian O'Donnell, odonnllb@tcd.ie

David Poehlman staggered into view and mumbled:

> ah, get an old used laptop in good working order, wipe it and put anything
> ya want on it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 12:11 PM
> Subject: RE: Linux note taker
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Naw, I wouldn't want to do that.  You'd abregate your warrantee if you
> did that.  Rather, check out the Elba by Papenmeyer.
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
> JRRT
>
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Re: Linux note taker

[Dave Hunt]

Isn't there a mainstream note taker by Sharp that has Linux on it?  If
yes, what about putting something like YASR on?  I guess you would
have to remove the GUI PDA applications.  

This wouldn't give you braille, but you'd have a talking note taker at
a reasonable price, and using off-the-shelf hardware.

Just A Thought,


Dave

Re: linux notetaker

[Doug]

If it's 386 it should work, provided it has enough RAM.
How much RAM does it have? You may need to use of the
the lowmem kernels ...

 > Would Linux work on a David386? It is a standard 386
 > laptop with an 80 MB harddrive with a Braille display
 > and Braille keyboard.

Re: linux notetaker

[Mitchell Smith]

I guess the problem with linux based pocket devices would be.

1.  does it have standard sound hardware that could be used for flite etc.

2.  Does it have a pcmcia slot which can be used for supported hardware,
somehow I don't really like the idea of transporting around a doubletalk,
sort of takes away from the idea of a pocket device.

Speaking of which, are any pcmcia synths currently supported by speakup?  I
know my keynote one isn't.

3.  How portable is the speakup kernel patch to other architectures, as I am
assuming that most linux based pocket devices wouldn't be i386 based.

Still I think it would be interesting to look in to this, as I think the
ability to use off the shelf pocket hardware would be a huge advantage over
customized devices such as the packmate, and the pulsedata string of
products.


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@comcast.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: linux notetaker


> well, there is the elba from:
> http://www.sighted.com
> it is a linux box.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angelo Sonnesso" <asonnesso@gemdayservices.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:21 AM
> Subject: linux notetaker
>
>
> Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
> How about pocket devices?
> Thanks
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Linux note taker

[Lorenzo Prince]

This would definitely work, if it has enough memory to run flite and yasr.
It would be a much better choice than the notetakers whose prices are
jacked up to about ten times or more what they are worth simply because
they have the word blind on their boxes.

Lorenzo

Besides, I think Slackware sounds better than 'Microsoft,' don't you?
	-- Patrick Volkerding

Dave Hunt staggered into view and mumbled:

> Isn't there a mainstream note taker by Sharp that has Linux on it?  If
> yes, what about putting something like YASR on?  I guess you would
> have to remove the GUI PDA applications.
>
> This wouldn't give you braille, but you'd have a talking note taker at
> a reasonable price, and using off-the-shelf hardware.
>
> Just A Thought,
>
>
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: linux notetaker

[eh51]

The ELBA is a linux-based notetaker, made by Papenmeier, and available 
from Sighted Electronics in the US.  I have been using one for about 8 
months and I like it a lot.  Like everything else Linux, it's extremely 
stable and dependable.  They only come as braille display units, though, 
which makes them expensive.  But the braille is beautiful.

You don't get as much control over the Linux system as you would if it 
were your desktop machine.  They block access to some stuff to make 
support easier for them.

Liz


On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:

> Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
> How about pocket devices?
> Thanks
> 
> 

Re: linux notetaker

[Asmodean]

I thought you could get access to the shell as root on those.  At least that
is what I was told at one point of me searching for a display.

----- Original Message -----
From: <eh51@cornell.edu>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Cc: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: linux notetaker


>
> The ELBA is a linux-based notetaker, made by Papenmeier, and available
> from Sighted Electronics in the US.  I have been using one for about 8
> months and I like it a lot.  Like everything else Linux, it's extremely
> stable and dependable.  They only come as braille display units, though,
> which makes them expensive.  But the braille is beautiful.
>
> You don't get as much control over the Linux system as you would if it
> were your desktop machine.  They block access to some stuff to make
> support easier for them.

Re: linux notetaker

[eh51]

One note when considering cost, though.  the 32 cell Elba or braillenote 
isn't really that much more then similarly-sized braille displays.  I 
went for the ELBA because I needed a display and it was very convenient 
to have the notetaker functions, too.  

Liz

Re: Linux note taker

[Dave Hunt]

If that Sharp device, for instance, has enough memory, I'd consider
putting emacs, emacspeak, and friends on it.  My software synth would
be flite, with the eflite server.  I'd want to use wither the stock
voice, or the KAL16 voice.  The Theta voices are too big.  


-Dave




    Lorenzo> This would definitely work, if it has enough memory to
    Lorenzo> run flite and yasr.  It would be a much better choice
    Lorenzo> than the notetakers whose prices are jacked up to about
    Lorenzo> ten times or more what they are worth simply because they
    Lorenzo> have the word blind on their boxes.

Re: linux notetaker

[Doug]

It is possible to boot linux on 386SL with 6MB RAM.
It is also possible to fit a small linux distribution
in well under 80MB (text only, no x-windows). This
guy says he runs linux on a 386SL with 4MB RAM and
80MB hard drive:

"The laptop I use when I'm out and about has a 386SL,
4Mb RAM, and an 80Mb HD, and I manage quite nicely
on it, thank you!"
http://dunne.dyn.dhs.org/~paul/articles/exe-linux

So I think it will work, but you'd want as much RAM
as possible (ideally the max 20MB), and this is a
slow processor (25Mhz), so it won't be lighting
fast. I have no idea about the braille components,
I would imagine that some work would be needed to
get those working. Perhaps some existing code like
brltty could be adapted to work with it.

If you want to try linux on a small machine like
this, look at some of the mini linux distributions
like pocket linux and such (there are many to choose
from). You can use tools like busybox to keep the
executables small.

-- Doug

Re: Linux note taker

[Gregory Nowak]

I have also set up a list serve a while back dealing with the braillenote and linux. We hope someday to have a project going to get a gnu/linux distribution running on the braillenote/voicenote.

To subscribe, send a blank message with no subject to 
notelinux-subscribe@romuald.net.eu.org
.

Greg


On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 02:42:09PM +0100, Darragh wrote:
> If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a Pac Mate
> from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux onto
> it.

Re: linux notetaker

[Gregory Nowak]

Does anyone know if you can get that without a braille display? From what I heard, they seem to have only braille display models available. 
If you can get one without a display now, then what's the price?

Also, has anybody gotten to use one extensively, and if so, could you please share your impressions on the list or privately?
Thanks.

Greg


On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:03:26AM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> well, there is the elba from:
> http://www.sighted.com
> it is a linux box.
> 

Re: Linux note taker

[Gregory Nowak]

On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:20:43AM -0400, Lorenzo Prince wrote:
> Actually, a laptop is usually a better notetaker than anything that these
> money-hungry companies are offering.  A simple braille 'n speak is $1395.

No, not any more.
I believe that Computers and Assistive Technologies INC. sells a bns 2000 for $600 if I'm not mistaken.
http://www.computerassistivetech.com
.

Greg

Re: Linux note taker

[Alex Snow]

I'm getting an elba sometime.  slap in a 4gb pcmcia hdd and that'll be
pretty sweet.  I hope it gives you actual access to a linux shell...but
havent tried one yet.

--
A message from the system administrator: "I've upped my priority, now up yours!"
On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Dave Hunt wrote:

> If that Sharp device, for instance, has enough memory, I'd consider
> putting emacs, emacspeak, and friends on it.  My software synth would
> be flite, with the eflite server.  I'd want to use wither the stock
> voice, or the KAL16 voice.  The Theta voices are too big.
>
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
>
>     Lorenzo> This would definitely work, if it has enough memory to
>     Lorenzo> run flite and yasr.  It would be a much better choice
>     Lorenzo> than the notetakers whose prices are jacked up to about
>     Lorenzo> ten times or more what they are worth simply because they
>     Lorenzo> have the word blind on their boxes.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Linux note taker

[Mike Arrigo]

I think there is a note taker that uses linux, it's called the elba. The one
advantage is that it has a braille display, but of course, this makes it
more expensive.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


> Actually, a laptop is usually a better notetaker than anything that these
> money-hungry companies are offering.  A simple braille 'n speak is $1395.
> I psid $809 for a fairly laptop and put linux on it using speakup when I
> want to use hardware speech, and yasr when I don't want to carry around my
> dectalk.  And I am getting $200 more off that.  In my opinion, notetakers
> for the blind are greately overpriced, and laptops that run Linux are a
> much more cost-effective choice.
>
> Lorenzo
>
> Sigh.  I like to think it's just the Linux people who want to be on
> the "leading edge" so bad they walk right off the precipice.
> -- Craig E. Groeschel
>
> David Poehlman staggered into view and mumbled:
>
> > you cannot install linux on it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:42 AM
> > Subject: RE: Linux note taker
> >
> >
> > If they weren't so expensive, I'd love to try messing around with a Pac
Mate
> > from Freedom Scientific to see how viable it would be to install Linux
onto
> > it.
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
> > Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
> >   Sent: 23 April 2003 14:22
> >   To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >   Subject: linux notetaker
> >
> >
> >   Does anyone know about notetakers for Linux?
> >   How about pocket devices?
> >   Thanks
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Linux note taker

[David Poehlman]

page not found.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:20:43AM -0400, Lorenzo Prince wrote:
> Actually, a laptop is usually a better notetaker than anything that these
> money-hungry companies are offering.  A simple braille 'n speak is $1395.

No, not any more.
I believe that Computers and Assistive Technologies INC. sells a bns 2000
for $600 if I'm not mistaken.
http://www.computerassistivetech.com
.

Greg


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Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: linux notetaker

[David Poehlman]

I don't think there are plans to make one without a braille display but if
there are, you'll find it on the site first.  I spent some time with one
almost a year ago and was quite impressed with its stability and design as
well as its performance.  If you like linux and or simplicity of use, you'll
like it.  It has grown tremendously since I saw it so perhaps someone with
more current experience with it will share with us if available.  I know
there is someone on another list who is evaluating one right now and When I
find him, I'll see if I can get him to send a review I can put here.

I guess though that we are getting a bit off the topic for the list.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: linux notetaker


Does anyone know if you can get that without a braille display? From what I
heard, they seem to have only braille display models available.
If you can get one without a display now, then what's the price?

Also, has anybody gotten to use one extensively, and if so, could you please
share your impressions on the list or privately?
Thanks.

Greg


On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:03:26AM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> well, there is the elba from:
> http://www.sighted.com
> it is a linux box.
>

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Re: linux notetaker

[David Poehlman]

I had heard that they will give you full access though if you ask?

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Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: linux notetaker


I thought you could get access to the shell as root on those.  At least that
is what I was told at one point of me searching for a display.

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Cc: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: linux notetaker


>
> The ELBA is a linux-based notetaker, made by Papenmeier, and available
> from Sighted Electronics in the US.  I have been using one for about 8
> months and I like it a lot.  Like everything else Linux, it's extremely
> stable and dependable.  They only come as braille display units, though,
> which makes them expensive.  But the braille is beautiful.
>
> You don't get as much control over the Linux system as you would if it
> were your desktop machine.  They block access to some stuff to make
> support easier for them.


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Re: Linux note taker

[Gregory Nowak]

It comes up for me just fine. 
Try it again, I've rechecked the url I sent, and it's correct.

Greg


On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 07:08:20PM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> page not found.
> 

Re: Linux note taker

[rmann]

Would you please let us know how you like it when you get it?  I'm
thinking about getting one of the newer notetakers.

Thanks

Ryan


On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Alex Snow wrote:

> I'm getting an elba sometime.  slap in a 4gb pcmcia hdd and that'll be
> pretty sweet.  I hope it gives you actual access to a linux shell...but
> havent tried one yet.
>
> --
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> On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Dave Hunt wrote:
>
> > If that Sharp device, for instance, has enough memory, I'd consider
> > putting emacs, emacspeak, and friends on it.  My software synth would
> > be flite, with the eflite server.  I'd want to use wither the stock
> > voice, or the KAL16 voice.  The Theta voices are too big.
> >
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     Lorenzo> This would definitely work, if it has enough memory to
> >     Lorenzo> run flite and yasr.  It would be a much better choice
> >     Lorenzo> than the notetakers whose prices are jacked up to about
> >     Lorenzo> ten times or more what they are worth simply because they
> >     Lorenzo> have the word blind on their boxes.
> >
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Re: linux notetaker

[Glenn Ervinat home]

Would Linux work on a David386?
It is a standard 386 laptop with an 80 MB harddrive with a Braille display
and Braille keyboard.
It has inputs & outputs for a standard keyboard & v g a monitor.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: linux notetaker


Does anyone know if you can get that without a braille display? From what I
heard, they seem to have only braille display models available.
If you can get one without a display now, then what's the price?

Also, has anybody gotten to use one extensively, and if so, could you please
share your impressions on the list or privately?
Thanks.

Greg


On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:03:26AM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> well, there is the elba from:
> http://www.sighted.com
> it is a linux box.
>

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Re: Linux note taker

[Liz Hare]

You can access the shell with Elba, it's just that what you can do there is 
limited <smirk>

Liz

Re: Linux note taker

[Janina Sajka]

So, if I could get some, who would work on it, and how would you go about
it?

I'm serious.

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Re: linux notetaker

[Glenn Ervinat home]

That's a good question, I'll have to find out how much mine has.  I am
wondering about the Braille display?
How would it be identified for output?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug" <wearable@shawcable.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: linux notetaker


If it's 386 it should work, provided it has enough RAM.
How much RAM does it have? You may need to use of the
the lowmem kernels ...

 > Would Linux work on a David386? It is a standard 386
 > laptop with an 80 MB harddrive with a Braille display
 > and Braille keyboard.


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Re: Linux note taker

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

I couldn't work on it, but I'd test it once it was worked on.

Ann P.

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Re: Linux note taker

[Lorenzo Prince]

Wow.  That's MUCH better than 1395,  but where did they get such a good price
for one.  The price I was quoting was straight from Freedom Scientific, who
makes the bns, and they say they don't give discounts.  Still, though, $600 is
a lot to pay for a $50 note taker with a voice on it that doesn't sound as good
as any FREE Festival voice, even the really bad ones that are made to run on
really small machines that have almost no memory.

Lorenzo

Dijkstra probably hates me.
	-- Linus Torvalds, in kernel/sched.c

Gregory Nowak staggered into view and mumbled:

> On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:20:43AM -0400, Lorenzo Prince wrote:
> > Actually, a laptop is usually a better notetaker than anything that these
> > money-hungry companies are offering.  A simple braille 'n speak is $1395.
>
> No, not any more.
> I believe that Computers and Assistive Technologies INC. sells a bns 2000 for $600 if I'm not mistaken.
> http://www.computerassistivetech.com
> .
>
> Greg
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RE: Linux note taker

[Jim Ruby]

I would be willing to test and put the unit through its paces. I have not
programmed in years so would not be of much help there.



-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:09 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


So, if I could get some, who would work on it, and how would you go about
it?

I'm serious.

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Re: linux notetaker

[Glenn Ervinat home]

Here is some info on my David 386 laptop, if anyone knows if it is enough to
run Linux, and any speculations as to whether it would be able to address
the Braille keyboard & display.
I don't know yet how much ram mine has, as I need to take it in and see
about replacing the cMos battery, and I'll see about upgrading any hardware
then...
Product Specifications

System Configuration
Processor, 386SL
RAM: 6 MB, optional 8, 12, or 20 MB.
Hard Disk: 80 MB, (Optional, 170, or 260 MB).

Floppy disk: 1.44 MB.

Interfaces:  Serial, Parallel, VGA Monitor, QWERTY Keyboard.

General
Battery operation time, 5 hours
Battery charge time, 2 hours
Power consumption: 12 bolts, 0.5 Amps average.
Charger power: 100 to 240 Volts AC; 50/60 Hz.

Dimensions: 12.85 inches by 10 inches by 2.6 inches
Weight, 7.9 pounds.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug" <wearable@shawcable.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: linux notetaker


If it's 386 it should work, provided it has enough RAM.
How much RAM does it have? You may need to use of the
the lowmem kernels ...

 > Would Linux work on a David386? It is a standard 386
 > laptop with an 80 MB harddrive with a Braille display
 > and Braille keyboard.


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Re: Linux note taker: computer assistive technologies prices

[Cheryl Homiak]

Of course, the machines from computer and Assistive Technology are refurbished
machines. Not that this is a problem; that's where I got my brailelite40 for
about $2000 and I'm quite happy with it, but just so you know the machines
aren't brand new. I'd never have probably been able to afford a brand new one
from FS at its prices.

Cheryl

Re: linux notetaker

[Alex Snow]

should...if you can find a distro small enough to fit on the 80mb
disk...but it'd be painfully slow.

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Glenn Ervinat home wrote:

> Would Linux work on a David386?
> It is a standard 386 laptop with an 80 MB harddrive with a Braille display
> and Braille keyboard.
> It has inputs & outputs for a standard keyboard & v g a monitor.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 4:22 PM
> Subject: Re: linux notetaker
>
>
> Does anyone know if you can get that without a braille display? From what I
> heard, they seem to have only braille display models available.
> If you can get one without a display now, then what's the price?
>
> Also, has anybody gotten to use one extensively, and if so, could you please
> share your impressions on the list or privately?
> Thanks.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:03:26AM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> > well, there is the elba from:
> > http://www.sighted.com
> > it is a linux box.
> >
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Re: linux notetaker

[Alex Snow]

You'd have to find out if it's supported by brltty

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Glenn Ervinat home wrote:

> That's a good question, I'll have to find out how much mine has.  I am
> wondering about the Braille display?
> How would it be identified for output?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug" <wearable@shawcable.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: linux notetaker
>
>
> If it's 386 it should work, provided it has enough RAM.
> How much RAM does it have? You may need to use of the
> the lowmem kernels ...
>
>  > Would Linux work on a David386? It is a standard 386
>  > laptop with an 80 MB harddrive with a Braille display
>  > and Braille keyboard.
>
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Re: Linux note taker

[David Poehlman]

I'd be happy to at least test and interact with development.  I'm not a
programmer though.

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To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


So, if I could get some, who would work on it, and how would you go about
it?

I'm serious.

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Re: Linux note taker

[Gregory Nowak]

It seems that everyone except me knows what equipment Janina is referring to in her unclear message below the one to which I am replying to now.

Can someone please kindly enlighten me?

Greg


On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 08:15:08AM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> I'd be happy to at least test and interact with development.  I'm not a
> programmer though.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux note taker
> 
> 
> So, if I could get some, who would work on it, and how would you go about
> it?
> 
> I'm serious.
> 
> --
> 
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> 
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Re: Linux note taker

[David Poehlman]

me to?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


It seems that everyone except me knows what equipment Janina is referring to
in her unclear message below the one to which I am replying to now.

Can someone please kindly enlighten me?

Greg


On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 08:15:08AM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> I'd be happy to at least test and interact with development.  I'm not a
> programmer though.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux note taker
>
>
> So, if I could get some, who would work on it, and how would you go about
> it?
>
> I'm serious.
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
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>
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Re: Linux note taker

[Luke Davis]

I am also willing to engage in this.

Luke

On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, David Poehlman wrote:

> I'd be happy to at least test and interact with development.  I'm not a
> programmer though.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux note taker
>
>
> So, if I could get some, who would work on it, and how would you go about
> it?
>
> I'm serious.
>
> --
>
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>
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Re: linux notetaker

[Alex Snow]

I at one time had a toshiba 386 laptop 2mb ram 16mhz cpu etc...linux
probably would work even on that.

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Doug wrote:

> It is possible to boot linux on 386SL with 6MB RAM.
> It is also possible to fit a small linux distribution
> in well under 80MB (text only, no x-windows). This
> guy says he runs linux on a 386SL with 4MB RAM and
> 80MB hard drive:
>
> "The laptop I use when I'm out and about has a 386SL,
> 4Mb RAM, and an 80Mb HD, and I manage quite nicely
> on it, thank you!"
> http://dunne.dyn.dhs.org/~paul/articles/exe-linux
>
> So I think it will work, but you'd want as much RAM
> as possible (ideally the max 20MB), and this is a
> slow processor (25Mhz), so it won't be lighting
> fast. I have no idea about the braille components,
> I would imagine that some work would be needed to
> get those working. Perhaps some existing code like
> brltty could be adapted to work with it.
>
> If you want to try linux on a small machine like
> this, look at some of the mini linux distributions
> like pocket linux and such (there are many to choose
> from). You can use tools like busybox to keep the
> executables small.
>
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Re: Linux note taker

[Alex Snow]

I would be interested in the testing side of this.

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On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Luke Davis wrote:

> I am also willing to engage in this.
>
> Luke
>
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, David Poehlman wrote:
>
> > I'd be happy to at least test and interact with development.  I'm not a
> > programmer though.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Linux note taker
> >
> >
> > So, if I could get some, who would work on it, and how would you go about
> > it?
> >
> > I'm serious.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
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Re: Linux note taker

[Glenn Ervinat home]

I was wondering what it was too!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


It seems that everyone except me knows what equipment Janina is referring to
in her unclear message below the one to which I am replying to now.

Can someone please kindly enlighten me?

Greg


On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 08:15:08AM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> I'd be happy to at least test and interact with development.  I'm not a
> programmer though.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Linux note taker
>
>
> So, if I could get some, who would work on it, and how would you go about
> it?
>
> I'm serious.
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
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>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
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Re: linux notetaker

[Doug]

 > 386 laptop 2mb ram 16mhz cpu etc...
 > linux probably would work even on that.

Patrick has a low memory kernel (slackware) here:
ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/kernels/lowmem.i/

lowmem.i This is a really stripped-down Linux kernel which might be
useful for installing on IDE systems with a low amount of RAM
(less than 8MB). It's also the only Slackware kernel that supports
old 386 machines. If bare.i runs into problems, you might try this.
NOTE: On systems with extremely low memory (4MB), ZipSlack plus the
fourmeg.zip add-on (found in the zipslack directory) may boot and
run even in cases where lowmem.i doesn't. If you have to use lowmem.i
to install, you'll then probably have to compile a custom kernel with
the minimal additional features that your machine requires.

ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/bootdisks/README.TXT

The Slackware install.zip was made for two main reasons: to address
the inconvenience and difficulty of having to use three floppy disks
for installing Slackware; and at the same time to try to reduce the
hardware memory requirement. If an operating system can run with
8MB RAM, it should also be able to install on such a machine, right?

5. I would recommend at least 8MB RAM, but you might succeed with as
    little as 5MB (with patience and a lot of time).

ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/rootdisks/install.zip.README

It's doable in 4MB RAM (maybe), but I'm not so sure about
2MB RAM. That might not be enough to boot and get the swap
running.

   -- Doug

Re: Linux note taker

[Janina Sajka]

I refer to the Packmate. Sorry. Trimmed a bit too much, it seems and
lost the subject of the thread.

In any case, seems this won't go anywhere. Lots of testers, and no
programmers. 

Gregory Nowak writes:
> 
> It seems that everyone except me knows what equipment Janina is referring to in her unclear message below the one to which I am replying to now.
> 
> Can someone please kindly enlighten me?
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 08:15:08AM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> > I'd be happy to at least test and interact with development.  I'm not a
> > programmer though.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Linux note taker
> > 
> > 
> > So, if I could get some, who would work on it, and how would you go about
> > it?
> > 
> > I'm serious.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: Linux note taker

[David Poehlman]

maybe we need to post on another list or two to see if we can find
interest/availability/capability?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


I refer to the Packmate. Sorry. Trimmed a bit too much, it seems and
lost the subject of the thread.

In any case, seems this won't go anywhere. Lots of testers, and no
programmers.

Gregory Nowak writes:
>
> It seems that everyone except me knows what equipment Janina is referring
to in her unclear message below the one to which I am replying to now.
>
> Can someone please kindly enlighten me?
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 08:15:08AM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> > I'd be happy to at least test and interact with development.  I'm not a
> > programmer though.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Linux note taker
> >
> >
> > So, if I could get some, who would work on it, and how would you go
about
> > it?
> >
> > I'm serious.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 

Janina Sajka, Director
Technology Research and Development
Governmental Relations Group
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175

_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Linux note taker

[Thomas D. Ward]

What kind of programming would you need done?
I haven't followed this thread, fully, but a nice summary might help.
I am pretty familiar with C/C++ and depending on the task I might be able to
work on the project.

----- Original Message -----
From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


> I refer to the Packmate. Sorry. Trimmed a bit too much, it seems and
> lost the subject of the thread.
>
> In any case, seems this won't go anywhere. Lots of testers, and no
> programmers.
>
> Gregory Nowak writes:
> >
> > It seems that everyone except me knows what equipment Janina is
referring to in her unclear message below the one to which I am replying to
now.
> >
> > Can someone please kindly enlighten me?
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 08:15:08AM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> > > I'd be happy to at least test and interact with development.  I'm not
a
> > > programmer though.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:08 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Linux note taker
> > >
> > >
> > > So, if I could get some, who would work on it, and how would you go
about
> > > it?
> > >
> > > I'm serious.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Linux note taker

[Gregory Nowak]

Hmmm, if the Packmate won't float, then how about a braille note / voice note (grin)?

There seem to be a couple of people on the notelinux list right now who seem to be fair game for the project on that device.

It seems like nobody wants to get started now, but I suspect that may be in part due to the fact that nobody wants to potentially mess up a unit which they rely on a daily basis.

Greg


On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 10:19:47PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> I refer to the Packmate. Sorry. Trimmed a bit too much, it seems and
> lost the subject of the thread.
> 
> In any case, seems this won't go anywhere. Lots of testers, and no
> programmers. 
> 

Re: Linux note taker

[Thomas D. Ward]

If I could get my hands on one one I would be happy to look into a Linux
notetaker. It would be interesting to develope for one.
However, I wouldn't know where I could get my hands on a unit which could be
used for experimental purposes.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


> Hmmm, if the Packmate won't float, then how about a braille note / voice
note (grin)?
>
> There seem to be a couple of people on the notelinux list right now who
seem to be fair game for the project on that device.
>
> It seems like nobody wants to get started now, but I suspect that may be
in part due to the fact that nobody wants to potentially mess up a unit
which they rely on a daily basis.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 10:19:47PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > I refer to the Packmate. Sorry. Trimmed a bit too much, it seems and
> > lost the subject of the thread.
> >
> > In any case, seems this won't go anywhere. Lots of testers, and no
> > programmers.
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Linux note taker

[Kirk Reiser]

Okay, call me stupid and lazy.  What are the specs of a Packmate and
how much do they sell for?

  Kirk

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: Linux note taker

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Is anyone running an Elba?  I've been asked to research it and I can't
find the one guy I know who has one.  thanks.

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: Linux note taker

[Buddy Brannan]

Hey Ann,

There are a few of them. Check out
notetaker-l@smartgroups.com

I'll dig up a couple Email addresses (including a friend of mine who
sells them), if you need. 
-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV/3   | "And if the ground yawned,
Phone: (814) 455-7333     | I'd step to the side and say,
Email: davros@ycardz.com  | "Hey ground! I'm nobody's lunch!"
http://www.ycardz.com/    | --Eddie From Ohio

Re: Linux note taker

[Janina Sajka]

I'll get the specs and report back.

Hopefully, this offer won't disolve the way the last one did. What's
that old saw about once burned, twice shy?

Kirk Reiser writes:
> From: Kirk Reiser <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
> 
> Okay, call me stupid and lazy.  What are the specs of a Packmate and
> how much do they sell for?
> 
>   Kirk
> 
> -- 
> 
> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: Linux note taker

[Janina Sajka]

I neglected to mention that I'm speaking of the Packmate this time, and
not the Braille Note. Different company, obviously. Hopefully more
helpful about specs.

I believe these units sell for around $2.5K retail. I'm insisting that a
Linux version should have some price shaved off. However, it's likely
that won't be much as the OS componant of the price isn't much.

There. Now the cat is out of the bag. But, let's not start counting
kittens, OK, kiddies?

Janina Sajka writes:
> From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
> 
> I'll get the specs and report back.
> 
> Hopefully, this offer won't disolve the way the last one did. What's
> that old saw about once burned, twice shy?
> 
> Kirk Reiser writes:
> > From: Kirk Reiser <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
> > 
> > Okay, call me stupid and lazy.  What are the specs of a Packmate and
> > how much do they sell for?
> > 
> >   Kirk
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> > phone: (519) 661-3061
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Googling for PAC Mate

[William Loughborough]

At 09:20 AM 4/26/2003 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>I'll dig up a couple

Once I discovered it's "PAC Mate" and not Packmate I learned a lot more 
than I wanted to know about the unit. Anyway it's original issue price of 
$2595 (+over $100 for a modem) although it strikes one as pricey, probably 
isn't at all out of line considering the "nicheness" of the market and the 
aggravation of having had to reverse engineer a bunch of M$ stuff.

Of course one could make an embedded system using some of the currently 
available machinery and either undertaking (scratch or retrofit) would be a 
lot more major than anyone going into it would care to admit to. Since I 
think that this would be a good idea I'll try to get something started. 
Politically, I think I will start from a point of view that this is a 
project for the future and will opt for a one hand chording keyboard 
instead of a two hand braille approach. The learning curve to become 
proficient with such a device is more like a month than a year and then it 
can fit in a pocket and potentially have tactile feedback as well. It could 
also dramatically widen the market for true miniaturization because the 
size bottlenecks of QWERTY keyboard (you can shrink the keys but not the 
fingers!) and visual display (although retinal projection will become tiny 
shortly) are addressed by a seven-button chording input and tactile output.

I'll report back in a couple months on my feasibility study about getting 
the project started - I already know it can be done and firmly believe that 
Linux is the way to go. If that sounds like too slow I apologize, but 
that's how things work - get backing, get tech support, get hardware, build 
it and they will come.

--
Love.

It's Bad Luck to be Superstitious! 

Re: Linux note taker

[Gregory Nowak]

I hope this helps somewhat.

http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/PACmate2.asp

There are links from there to the Packmate bns and tns, and from each of those to other info and pricing.

Greg


On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 07:07:55AM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> Okay, call me stupid and lazy.  What are the specs of a Packmate and
> how much do they sell for?
> 
>   Kirk
> 
> -- 
> 
> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Googling for PAC Mate

[William Loughborough]

At 06:45 AM 4/26/2003 -0700, William Loughborough wrote:
>build it and they will come

Oh, by the way, the tempting notion that it's easier to start with an 
already available unit that doesn't fill the bill (like PAC Mate) and 
*SIMPLY* switch software is in my opinion a snare and a delusion. 
Retrofitting's a bitch. Anyway, I will try to start from scratch rather 
than getting an existent device. Of course the first thing is to get a 
grant, but I'm already in that world and have a "track record" of getting 
stuff done. So: wish me well!

--
Love.

It's Bad Luck to be Superstitious! 

Re: Googling for PAC Mate

[William Loughborough]

At 10:29 AM 4/26/2003 -0500, rmann@rmisp.net wrote:
>I don't know if I would want to learn a new system .

Although the idea of change/growth is often daunting, it is actually way 
easier/quicker than one first fears.

It's a lot easier to learn one-hand input than to learn about 
kernels/compiling and such. I got up to 30 wpm on a one-hand chording 
keyboard in less than a month and I'm way past the age when one is supposed 
to pick up new stuff easily.

Also, there'd be a socket for plugging in a braille or QWERTY device and 
you would be able to use voice dictation as well. But to outline vaporware 
features feels very awkward for me since I've only done the various forms 
independently and getting all that on one machine will turn out to be 
tedious, but doable. So, don't worry your pretty little head about learning 
a new technique because this will take a couple years if I last that long.

In summary, I've used one-hand chording, Perkins brailler, QWERTY, and 
Dragon Dictate and my usual choice is QWERTY but for portability it sucks 
because you have to tote this huge keyboard around with you. Voice is still 
on the drawing board as far as I'm concerned although progress is happening 
(but it's always still "six months away"). Braille input is OK but I just 
never got very good at it and can only read it by visual means (and never 
really got beyond Grade I), one-hand chording was great except for the need 
for a very specialized device. Since I already knew the other methods, it 
seemed easiest to learn for some obscure reason. If size/portability 
weren't the central desired features the notebook wins hands down but 
they're just too big to tote hence the notion previously outlined.

Don't get me wrong - this is ALL VAPORWARE at this time, but I am confident 
it will get done in the fullness of time. I'm just not sure if retrofitting 
a PAC Mate with Linux is where it's at, or even where to start, but others 
who disagree will certainly try it if given the opportunity.

--
Love.

It's Bad Luck to be Superstitious! 

Re: Googling for PAC Mate

[rmann]

You say you want to use a one-handed type keyboard instead of braille?  If
I was going to purchase a notetaker I don't know if I would want to learn
a new system .  I've used braille for a good part of my life.



On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, William Loughborough wrote:

> At 09:20 AM 4/26/2003 -0400, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> >I'll dig up a couple
>
> Once I discovered it's "PAC Mate" and not Packmate I learned a lot more
> than I wanted to know about the unit. Anyway it's original issue price of
> $2595 (+over $100 for a modem) although it strikes one as pricey, probably
> isn't at all out of line considering the "nicheness" of the market and the
> aggravation of having had to reverse engineer a bunch of M$ stuff.
>
> Of course one could make an embedded system using some of the currently
> available machinery and either undertaking (scratch or retrofit) would be a
> lot more major than anyone going into it would care to admit to. Since I
> think that this would be a good idea I'll try to get something started.
> Politically, I think I will start from a point of view that this is a
> project for the future and will opt for a one hand chording keyboard
> instead of a two hand braille approach. The learning curve to become
> proficient with such a device is more like a month than a year and then it
> can fit in a pocket and potentially have tactile feedback as well. It could
> also dramatically widen the market for true miniaturization because the
> size bottlenecks of QWERTY keyboard (you can shrink the keys but not the
> fingers!) and visual display (although retinal projection will become tiny
> shortly) are addressed by a seven-button chording input and tactile output.
>
> I'll report back in a couple months on my feasibility study about getting
> the project started - I already know it can be done and firmly believe that
> Linux is the way to go. If that sounds like too slow I apologize, but
> that's how things work - get backing, get tech support, get hardware, build
> it and they will come.
>
> --
> Love.
>
> It's Bad Luck to be Superstitious!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Linux note taker

[Thomas D. Ward]

Yeah. They definately are up there in price.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


> I neglected to mention that I'm speaking of the Packmate this time, and
> not the Braille Note. Different company, obviously. Hopefully more
> helpful about specs.
> 
> I believe these units sell for around $2.5K retail. I'm insisting that a
> Linux version should have some price shaved off. However, it's likely
> that won't be much as the OS componant of the price isn't much.
> 
> There. Now the cat is out of the bag. But, let's not start counting
> kittens, OK, kiddies?
> 
> Janina Sajka writes:
> > From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
> > 
> > I'll get the specs and report back.
> > 
> > Hopefully, this offer won't disolve the way the last one did. What's
> > that old saw about once burned, twice shy?
> > 
> > Kirk Reiser writes:
> > > From: Kirk Reiser <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > 
> > > Okay, call me stupid and lazy.  What are the specs of a Packmate and
> > > how much do they sell for?
> > > 
> > >   Kirk
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > 
> > > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility
> > > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
> > > phone: (519) 661-3061
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Linux note taker

[Steve Holmes]

I would be interested in attempting to develope for it.  Not sure what
the processor is but if a standard kernel can run on it, I sure don't
see why speakup wouldn't fly also.  Guess I would need a fair amount
of accessible specs and a spare unit:) to hack on.

On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 10:19:47PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> I refer to the Packmate. Sorry. Trimmed a bit too much, it seems and
> lost the subject of the thread.
> 
> In any case, seems this won't go anywhere. Lots of testers, and no
> programmers. 
> 
> Gregory Nowak writes:
> > 
> > It seems that everyone except me knows what equipment Janina is referring to in her unclear message below the one to which I am replying to now.
> > 
> > Can someone please kindly enlighten me?
> > 
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 24, 2003 at 08:15:08AM -0400, David Poehlman wrote:
> > > I'd be happy to at least test and interact with development.  I'm not a
> > > programmer though.
> > > 
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 9:08 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Linux note taker
> > > 
> > > 
> > > So, if I could get some, who would work on it, and how would you go about
> > > it?
> > > 
> > > I'm serious.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > 
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > 
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: Linux note taker

[Nektarios Mallas]

Although the operating system isn't much in terms of price, I think that
what makes this unit expensive is the proprietary screen reader that runs on
this machine which is jaws for windows CE.
This alone is more than $1000.

Nektarios.


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 4:45 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


I neglected to mention that I'm speaking of the Packmate this time, and
not the Braille Note. Different company, obviously. Hopefully more
helpful about specs.

I believe these units sell for around $2.5K retail. I'm insisting that a
Linux version should have some price shaved off. However, it's likely
that won't be much as the OS componant of the price isn't much.

There. Now the cat is out of the bag. But, let's not start counting
kittens, OK, kiddies?

Janina Sajka writes:
> From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
>
> I'll get the specs and report back.
>
> Hopefully, this offer won't disolve the way the last one did. What's
> that old saw about once burned, twice shy?
>
> Kirk Reiser writes:
> > From: Kirk Reiser <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
> >
> > Okay, call me stupid and lazy.  What are the specs of a Packmate and
> > how much do they sell for?
> >
> >   Kirk
> >
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Re: Linux note taker

[David Poehlman]

not to mention the propriatary hardware.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@otenet.gr>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:35 PM
Subject: RE: Linux note taker


Although the operating system isn't much in terms of price, I think that
what makes this unit expensive is the proprietary screen reader that runs on
this machine which is jaws for windows CE.
This alone is more than $1000.

Nektarios.


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
Behalf Of Janina Sajka
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 4:45 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


I neglected to mention that I'm speaking of the Packmate this time, and
not the Braille Note. Different company, obviously. Hopefully more
helpful about specs.

I believe these units sell for around $2.5K retail. I'm insisting that a
Linux version should have some price shaved off. However, it's likely
that won't be much as the OS componant of the price isn't much.

There. Now the cat is out of the bag. But, let's not start counting
kittens, OK, kiddies?

Janina Sajka writes:
> From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
>
> I'll get the specs and report back.
>
> Hopefully, this offer won't disolve the way the last one did. What's
> that old saw about once burned, twice shy?
>
> Kirk Reiser writes:
> > From: Kirk Reiser <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
> >
> > Okay, call me stupid and lazy.  What are the specs of a Packmate and
> > how much do they sell for?
> >
> >   Kirk
> >
> > --
> >
> > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility
> > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
> > phone: (519) 661-3061
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RE: Linux note taker

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Um, excuse me, but if the Elba is running JFW for Windows CE, then,
I'm a big, green parrot!  No, my friend, the Elba is *not* running
Windows and therefore it is not running JFW. 

Ann P.

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Re: Linux note taker

[Buddy Brannan]

Hi Ann,

Hey, what's that feather over yonder? Nah, seriously, I believe he was talking about the Packmate running JWince. I saw one of these beasties, and while it seems to be a nice piece of gear...well...ermm...it runs Wince. And JAWS. And is a FG protuct. 
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RE: Linux note taker

[Nektarios Mallas]

Well, that may be! However, we were talking about the pacmate.



-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On
Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 5:34 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: RE: Linux note taker


Hi all,

Um, excuse me, but if the Elba is running JFW for Windows CE, then,
I'm a big, green parrot!  No, my friend, the Elba is *not* running
Windows and therefore it is not running JFW.

Ann P.

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Re: Linux note taker

[Ann Parsons]

Yawk, yawk, yawk, Polly wanna cracker!!!

I was mistaken.  Thought he was talking about the Elba.  Sorry.  I do
believe I'm right about the Elba, though.  I've been researching it
madly of late.

Ann P.

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RE: Linux note taker

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Yeh, Nektarios, I figured that out.  I thought I was following the
thread well, but apparently not.  Apologies. 

Ann P.

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Re: Linux note taker

[Angelo Sonnesso]

Why the Pacmate it will never run Linux.
FS was asked about Linux, and they blew it off because they are in love with
Windows.

Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Igor Gueths]

Hi all. Well I have noticed that Linux notetakers such as the Elba are
very unpopular. I attempted to request one from the Mcb (Massachusetts
Commission For The Blind), and they said they didn't carry them. And then
I thought. Are they that unpopular? Do people not know about Linux and its
advantages? That is the impression that I got. And unfortunately, all they
seem to carry at the moment is the braillenote and the freedom science
fiction product line. And then later I got to thinking. Am I too advanced
of a user to these people? Do they not want to help me because they
realize that I do not meet the needs of the average user? Does anyone know
why this is so? And how we can go about starting to change the views of
state agencies? I know that at first it won't be something big, however we
have to start somewhere.

May you code in the power of the source,
may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.

On Fri, 2 May 2003, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Um, excuse me, but if the Elba is running JFW for Windows CE, then,
> I'm a big, green parrot!  No, my friend, the Elba is *not* running
> Windows and therefore it is not running JFW.
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> 			Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
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Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[David Poehlman]

I'd start with a note to sighted electronics and I would also copy my
request to your congressperson.  You should be able to get what you need not
what they think or try to tell you that they need.  The truth is that they
don't understand linux and they are geared towards windows.  We had the same
trouble with jaws in maryland till I banged on them from my position in the
tech act project, brought jaws in and trained them and began demonstrating
it to various and assundry folk who started asking for it inside and outside
the rehab center.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 10:57 AM
Subject: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers


Hi all. Well I have noticed that Linux notetakers such as the Elba are
very unpopular. I attempted to request one from the Mcb (Massachusetts
Commission For The Blind), and they said they didn't carry them. And then
I thought. Are they that unpopular? Do people not know about Linux and its
advantages? That is the impression that I got. And unfortunately, all they
seem to carry at the moment is the braillenote and the freedom science
fiction product line. And then later I got to thinking. Am I too advanced
of a user to these people? Do they not want to help me because they
realize that I do not meet the needs of the average user? Does anyone know
why this is so? And how we can go about starting to change the views of
state agencies? I know that at first it won't be something big, however we
have to start somewhere.

May you code in the power of the source,
may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.

On Fri, 2 May 2003, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Um, excuse me, but if the Elba is running JFW for Windows CE, then,
> I'm a big, green parrot!  No, my friend, the Elba is *not* running
> Windows and therefore it is not running JFW.
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
JRRT
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Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Ann Parsons]

Hi All,

Igor, you can't just demand that your rehab people get you an Elba.
Yes, they don't know about Elba, and if you say the word, they look at
you like you're weird.  The thing you have to do, is not just say, "I
would like an Elba."  You have to do what I'm doing now, researching
it!  Talk to Pelisher at Sighted.  See if he will do a demo for your
rehab folks.  they don't need to know as much about Linux, maybe, but
what might impress them is:  long battery life, thirty-six months
warantee on braille cells, plays MP3 files *now* not next month's
release, has network card as standard, not upon request, has USB and
IR ports *now* not upon request, has larger capacity for storage, 5
gigs if you purchase that card/thinger, coming GPS same as for
packmate, (only probably more stable because of the OS, this bit not
relevant to them).  Do your homework, guy, if you want an Elba, tell
them why!  Explain about your programming needs, (Elba has C compiler
upon request).  

All they care about is if it's cost effective and if it will be used
properly.  Don't give 'em too much info, not unless you're talking to
their techies, and then, give fullsome detail. 

 >>>>> "David" == David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net> writes:

    David> I'd start with a note to sighted electronics and I would
    David> also copy my request to your congressperson.  You should be
    David> able to get what you need not what they think or try to
    David> tell you that they need.  The truth is that they don't
    David> understand linux and they are geared towards windows.  We
    David> had the same trouble with jaws in maryland till I banged on
    David> them from my position in the tech act project, brought jaws
    David> in and trained them and began demonstrating it to various
    David> and assundry folk who started asking for it inside and
    David> outside the rehab center.

Ah, David, just what did you mean here?  Did you mean Linux or
Window-Eyes or what?  You mistyped and lost your point.  <smile> 

Ann P.

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Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[David Poehlman]

yes, I didn't state it clearly enough, but, Justify, Justify, Justify.

Thanks ann!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@eznet.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers


Hi All,

Igor, you can't just demand that your rehab people get you an Elba.
Yes, they don't know about Elba, and if you say the word, they look at
you like you're weird.  The thing you have to do, is not just say, "I
would like an Elba."  You have to do what I'm doing now, researching
it!  Talk to Pelisher at Sighted.  See if he will do a demo for your
rehab folks.  they don't need to know as much about Linux, maybe, but
what might impress them is:  long battery life, thirty-six months
warantee on braille cells, plays MP3 files *now* not next month's
release, has network card as standard, not upon request, has USB and
IR ports *now* not upon request, has larger capacity for storage, 5
gigs if you purchase that card/thinger, coming GPS same as for
packmate, (only probably more stable because of the OS, this bit not
relevant to them).  Do your homework, guy, if you want an Elba, tell
them why!  Explain about your programming needs, (Elba has C compiler
upon request).

All they care about is if it's cost effective and if it will be used
properly.  Don't give 'em too much info, not unless you're talking to
their techies, and then, give fullsome detail.

 >>>>> "David" == David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net> writes:

    David> I'd start with a note to sighted electronics and I would
    David> also copy my request to your congressperson.  You should be
    David> able to get what you need not what they think or try to
    David> tell you that they need.  The truth is that they don't
    David> understand linux and they are geared towards windows.  We
    David> had the same trouble with jaws in maryland till I banged on
    David> them from my position in the tech act project, brought jaws
    David> in and trained them and began demonstrating it to various
    David> and assundry folk who started asking for it inside and
    David> outside the rehab center.

Ah, David, just what did you mean here?  Did you mean Linux or
Window-Eyes or what?  You mistyped and lost your point.  <smile>

Ann P.

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Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Charles Crawford]

	Well if I were still the Commissioner at the Massachusetts 
Commission for the blind then I suspect the response to asking for a linux 
notetaker might have been different.  Now how about calling Joe and 
telling him that Charlie Crawford thinks Linux time has come.  Smile.



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Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Charles Crawford]

  Well, the head of the MCB tech program wrote two books on assistive 
technology. If he is not up to speed onLinux, then it's his own problem. 
 Smile.
On Sat, 3 May 2003, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Igor, you can't just demand that your rehab people get you an Elba.
> Yes, they don't know about Elba, and if you say the word, they look at
> you like you're weird.  The thing you have to do, is not just say, "I
> would like an Elba."  You have to do what I'm doing now, researching
> it!  Talk to Pelisher at Sighted.  See if he will do a demo for your
> rehab folks.  they don't need to know as much about Linux, maybe, but
> what might impress them is:  long battery life, thirty-six months
> warantee on braille cells, plays MP3 files *now* not next month's
> release, has network card as standard, not upon request, has USB and
> IR ports *now* not upon request, has larger capacity for storage, 5
> gigs if you purchase that card/thinger, coming GPS same as for
> packmate, (only probably more stable because of the OS, this bit not
> relevant to them).  Do your homework, guy, if you want an Elba, tell
> them why!  Explain about your programming needs, (Elba has C compiler
> upon request).  
> 
> All they care about is if it's cost effective and if it will be used
> properly.  Don't give 'em too much info, not unless you're talking to
> their techies, and then, give fullsome detail. 
> 
>  >>>>> "David" == David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net> writes:
> 
>     David> I'd start with a note to sighted electronics and I would
>     David> also copy my request to your congressperson.  You should be
>     David> able to get what you need not what they think or try to
>     David> tell you that they need.  The truth is that they don't
>     David> understand linux and they are geared towards windows.  We
>     David> had the same trouble with jaws in maryland till I banged on
>     David> them from my position in the tech act project, brought jaws
>     David> in and trained them and began demonstrating it to various
>     David> and assundry folk who started asking for it inside and
>     David> outside the rehab center.
> 
> Ah, David, just what did you mean here?  Did you mean Linux or
> Window-Eyes or what?  You mistyped and lost your point.  <smile> 
> 
> Ann P.
> 
> 

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Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Janina Sajka]

I can report that he has been interested in getting a handle on Linux,
but hasn't got a system up and working yet as far as I know. Won't he be
surprised to hear you've beaten him to the punch?


Charles Crawford writes:
> From: Charles Crawford <ccrawford@acb.org>
> 
>   Well, the head of the MCB tech program wrote two books on assistive 
> technology. If he is not up to speed onLinux, then it's his own problem. 
>  Smile.

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Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

>>>>> "Charles" == Charles Crawford <ccrawford@acb.org> writes:

    Charles> 	Well if I were still the Commissioner at the
    Charles> Massachusetts Commission for the blind then I suspect the
    Charles> response to asking for a linux notetaker might have been
    Charles> different.  Now how about calling Joe and telling him
    Charles> that Charlie Crawford thinks Linux time has come.  Smile.

There you go, Igor!  There you go!  I suggest you do just as the man
says.  It would, however, behoove you to have all your ducks in a row
besides, then bring out this trump card at the last moment.
Nostrovia, my friend!!! 

Ann P.

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Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Igor Gueths]

In that case, I think we should have a conference call and persuade him
that its time for Linux notetakers. You would have a lot of influence
since you were the commissioner, and I would also have influence as a
client.

May you code in the power of the source,
may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.

On Sat, 3 May 2003, Charles Crawford wrote:

> 	Well if I were still the Commissioner at the Massachusetts
> Commission for the blind then I suspect the response to asking for a linux
> notetaker might have been different.  Now how about calling Joe and
> telling him that Charlie Crawford thinks Linux time has come.  Smile.
>
>
>
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Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Ann. Good point. I did in fact speak to one of their techies and even
she looked at me like I was weird. And I didn't exactly demand it, perhaps
my post implied that fact. What I mearly did was ask if they would supply
one. And her response was that they didn't carry that due to its unpopular
nature. And Ann you had some good suggestions. Perhaps I will look into
Sighted providing a demo for them, because I think this is a very good
aproach. I can also talk to them about the Elba, however I don't think
this will do much in terms of influencing. I believe a demo is a better
aproach to this problem. And in tterms of programming, she tried to tell
me that I needed a braille display? And I kept telling her that I could
read C just fine with speech. I am sure that people like Kirk, Adam, and
Chuck can agree with me on this. Braille is not required to read code.
However, setting your punctuation level to all is required.

May you code in the power of the source,
may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.

On Sat, 3 May 2003, Charles Crawford wrote:

>   Well, the head of the MCB tech program wrote two books on assistive
> technology. If he is not up to speed onLinux, then it's his own problem.
>  Smile.
> On Sat, 3 May 2003, Ann Parsons wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Igor, you can't just demand that your rehab people get you an Elba.
> > Yes, they don't know about Elba, and if you say the word, they look at
> > you like you're weird.  The thing you have to do, is not just say, "I
> > would like an Elba."  You have to do what I'm doing now, researching
> > it!  Talk to Pelisher at Sighted.  See if he will do a demo for your
> > rehab folks.  they don't need to know as much about Linux, maybe, but
> > what might impress them is:  long battery life, thirty-six months
> > warantee on braille cells, plays MP3 files *now* not next month's
> > release, has network card as standard, not upon request, has USB and
> > IR ports *now* not upon request, has larger capacity for storage, 5
> > gigs if you purchase that card/thinger, coming GPS same as for
> > packmate, (only probably more stable because of the OS, this bit not
> > relevant to them).  Do your homework, guy, if you want an Elba, tell
> > them why!  Explain about your programming needs, (Elba has C compiler
> > upon request).
> >
> > All they care about is if it's cost effective and if it will be used
> > properly.  Don't give 'em too much info, not unless you're talking to
> > their techies, and then, give fullsome detail.
> >
> >  >>>>> "David" == David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net> writes:
> >
> >     David> I'd start with a note to sighted electronics and I would
> >     David> also copy my request to your congressperson.  You should be
> >     David> able to get what you need not what they think or try to
> >     David> tell you that they need.  The truth is that they don't
> >     David> understand linux and they are geared towards windows.  We
> >     David> had the same trouble with jaws in maryland till I banged on
> >     David> them from my position in the tech act project, brought jaws
> >     David> in and trained them and began demonstrating it to various
> >     David> and assundry folk who started asking for it inside and
> >     David> outside the rehab center.
> >
> > Ah, David, just what did you mean here?  Did you mean Linux or
> > Window-Eyes or what?  You mistyped and lost your point.  <smile>
> >
> > Ann P.
> >
> >
>
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Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Darrell Shandrow]

Hi Igor,

Though Braille isn't required for coding, it is extremely helpful for many
programmers, and may in fact be required for some.

Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
A+, CCNA, Network+!
Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i
All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers


> Hi Ann. Good point. I did in fact speak to one of their techies and even
> she looked at me like I was weird. And I didn't exactly demand it, perhaps
> my post implied that fact. What I mearly did was ask if they would supply
> one. And her response was that they didn't carry that due to its unpopular
> nature. And Ann you had some good suggestions. Perhaps I will look into
> Sighted providing a demo for them, because I think this is a very good
> aproach. I can also talk to them about the Elba, however I don't think
> this will do much in terms of influencing. I believe a demo is a better
> aproach to this problem. And in tterms of programming, she tried to tell
> me that I needed a braille display? And I kept telling her that I could
> read C just fine with speech. I am sure that people like Kirk, Adam, and
> Chuck can agree with me on this. Braille is not required to read code.
> However, setting your punctuation level to all is required.
>
> May you code in the power of the source,
> may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
> throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.
>
> On Sat, 3 May 2003, Charles Crawford wrote:
>
> >   Well, the head of the MCB tech program wrote two books on assistive
> > technology. If he is not up to speed onLinux, then it's his own problem.
> >  Smile.
> > On Sat, 3 May 2003, Ann Parsons wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > Igor, you can't just demand that your rehab people get you an Elba.
> > > Yes, they don't know about Elba, and if you say the word, they look at
> > > you like you're weird.  The thing you have to do, is not just say, "I
> > > would like an Elba."  You have to do what I'm doing now, researching
> > > it!  Talk to Pelisher at Sighted.  See if he will do a demo for your
> > > rehab folks.  they don't need to know as much about Linux, maybe, but
> > > what might impress them is:  long battery life, thirty-six months
> > > warantee on braille cells, plays MP3 files *now* not next month's
> > > release, has network card as standard, not upon request, has USB and
> > > IR ports *now* not upon request, has larger capacity for storage, 5
> > > gigs if you purchase that card/thinger, coming GPS same as for
> > > packmate, (only probably more stable because of the OS, this bit not
> > > relevant to them).  Do your homework, guy, if you want an Elba, tell
> > > them why!  Explain about your programming needs, (Elba has C compiler
> > > upon request).
> > >
> > > All they care about is if it's cost effective and if it will be used
> > > properly.  Don't give 'em too much info, not unless you're talking to
> > > their techies, and then, give fullsome detail.
> > >
> > >  >>>>> "David" == David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net> writes:
> > >
> > >     David> I'd start with a note to sighted electronics and I would
> > >     David> also copy my request to your congressperson.  You should be
> > >     David> able to get what you need not what they think or try to
> > >     David> tell you that they need.  The truth is that they don't
> > >     David> understand linux and they are geared towards windows.  We
> > >     David> had the same trouble with jaws in maryland till I banged on
> > >     David> them from my position in the tech act project, brought jaws
> > >     David> in and trained them and began demonstrating it to various
> > >     David> and assundry folk who started asking for it inside and
> > >     David> outside the rehab center.
> > >
> > > Ah, David, just what did you mean here?  Did you mean Linux or
> > > Window-Eyes or what?  You mistyped and lost your point.  <smile>
> > >
> > > Ann P.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > -- Charlie Crawford
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Adam Myrow]

On Sat, 3 May 2003, Igor Gueths wrote:

> And in terms of programming, she tried to tell me that I needed a
> braille display? And I kept telling her that I could read C just fine
> with speech. I am sure that people like Kirk, Adam, and Chuck can agree
> with me on this. Braille is not required to read code. However, setting
> your punctuation level to all is required.

Well, I used to say that a Braille display was a frivolous luxury until I
actually got one.  The more you use one, the more you appreciate it for
both programming and editing complex configuration files.  This is
especially true when you want to change something in the middle of the
line.  Say you have a line in your /etc/rc.d/rc.local file that says "echo
4 >/proc/speakup/toone."  To correct the typing error and remove that
extra "o" in tone with speech requires you to type several keystrokes to
get to it and delete it no matter how good you are at moving by words and
characters.  With Braille routing on a Braille display, all I have to do
is run my hand across the display until I am at that extra "o" and press
the routing button above it and delete it with "x" in vi or control-D in
pico or emacs.  So, while it is possible to program without a Braille
display, and many do it, it is very nice to have once you start using one.
I guess it's similar to having a dial-up connection to the Internet and
then getting a good high-speed link.  Once you have it, it's very hard to
do without it.  I almost never set my punctuation to a higher level since I
use the Braille display to determine how the line is punctuated.

One more note about Braille displays and then I'll shut up.  I can play an
ASCII-based game of Checkers against the computer since it uses a
lowercase b for the black pieces, a lowercase w for the white ones, and
makes them uppercase when they become kings.  I'd hate to do that with
speech!

Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Gregory Nowak]

On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 04:33:59PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
> And in tterms of programming, she tried to tell
> me that I needed a braille display? And I kept telling her that I could
> read C just fine with speech. I am sure that people like Kirk, Adam, and
> Chuck can agree with me on this. Braille is not required to read code.
> However, setting your punctuation level to all is required.

Yeah, I'll even agree with you on that too (smile).

In fact, I do all my coding on the good old bns, and send the file to the pc when I'm ready to compile it,
and fix errors with emacs.

Greg

Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Luke Davis]

True, but this is just like anything else: subjective.  I can not program
with braille--I need speech.


On Sat, 3 May 2003, Darrell Shandrow wrote:

> Hi Igor,
>
> Though Braille isn't required for coding, it is extremely helpful for many
> programmers, and may in fact be required for some.
>
> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i
> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Igor Gueths" <igueths@attbi.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers
>
>
> > Hi Ann. Good point. I did in fact speak to one of their techies and even
> > she looked at me like I was weird. And I didn't exactly demand it, perhaps
> > my post implied that fact. What I mearly did was ask if they would supply
> > one. And her response was that they didn't carry that due to its unpopular
> > nature. And Ann you had some good suggestions. Perhaps I will look into
> > Sighted providing a demo for them, because I think this is a very good
> > aproach. I can also talk to them about the Elba, however I don't think
> > this will do much in terms of influencing. I believe a demo is a better
> > aproach to this problem. And in tterms of programming, she tried to tell
> > me that I needed a braille display? And I kept telling her that I could
> > read C just fine with speech. I am sure that people like Kirk, Adam, and
> > Chuck can agree with me on this. Braille is not required to read code.
> > However, setting your punctuation level to all is required.
> >
> > May you code in the power of the source,
> > may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
> > throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.
> >
> > On Sat, 3 May 2003, Charles Crawford wrote:
> >
> > >   Well, the head of the MCB tech program wrote two books on assistive
> > > technology. If he is not up to speed onLinux, then it's his own problem.
> > >  Smile.
> > > On Sat, 3 May 2003, Ann Parsons wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > Igor, you can't just demand that your rehab people get you an Elba.
> > > > Yes, they don't know about Elba, and if you say the word, they look at
> > > > you like you're weird.  The thing you have to do, is not just say, "I
> > > > would like an Elba."  You have to do what I'm doing now, researching
> > > > it!  Talk to Pelisher at Sighted.  See if he will do a demo for your
> > > > rehab folks.  they don't need to know as much about Linux, maybe, but
> > > > what might impress them is:  long battery life, thirty-six months
> > > > warantee on braille cells, plays MP3 files *now* not next month's
> > > > release, has network card as standard, not upon request, has USB and
> > > > IR ports *now* not upon request, has larger capacity for storage, 5
> > > > gigs if you purchase that card/thinger, coming GPS same as for
> > > > packmate, (only probably more stable because of the OS, this bit not
> > > > relevant to them).  Do your homework, guy, if you want an Elba, tell
> > > > them why!  Explain about your programming needs, (Elba has C compiler
> > > > upon request).
> > > >
> > > > All they care about is if it's cost effective and if it will be used
> > > > properly.  Don't give 'em too much info, not unless you're talking to
> > > > their techies, and then, give fullsome detail.
> > > >
> > > >  >>>>> "David" == David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net> writes:
> > > >
> > > >     David> I'd start with a note to sighted electronics and I would
> > > >     David> also copy my request to your congressperson.  You should be
> > > >     David> able to get what you need not what they think or try to
> > > >     David> tell you that they need.  The truth is that they don't
> > > >     David> understand linux and they are geared towards windows.  We
> > > >     David> had the same trouble with jaws in maryland till I banged on
> > > >     David> them from my position in the tech act project, brought jaws
> > > >     David> in and trained them and began demonstrating it to various
> > > >     David> and assundry folk who started asking for it inside and
> > > >     David> outside the rehab center.
> > > >
> > > > Ah, David, just what did you mean here?  Did you mean Linux or
> > > > Window-Eyes or what?  You mistyped and lost your point.  <smile>
> > > >
> > > > Ann P.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -- Charlie Crawford
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Kirk Reiser]

I really wish folks would give up on the word required when it comes
to subjects like what one can and cannot do with respect to access
technology.

I use speech for all my coding these days.  No I do not do it in
punctuation all or even most.  I being one of the privileged in the
past have had the option of using braille in many forms both paper and
displayed.  I have access here at home to a Braillelite 40 but still
use speech.  Braille is very nice but speech in my opinion is just
plane faster.  Braille keyboards are very nice but a qwerty one is
just plain faster.

I'm sure many prefer braille over speech and that is cool but nothing
is required except access to the information in some fashion.  Hell,
my first computer I wrote and used morse code to read the screen.  I
hate absolutes.

  Kirk

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Luke Davis]

With all due respect:

Your analogy is flawed (about DSL vs. Dialup).  Braille is not an option.
It is something you have to learn--it is a language.  Therefore, if you
did not learn it as a child, became blind later in life, or for what ever
other reason did not become proficient with it, you probably never will.
As such, using a braille display, would be the biggest impediment to
programming, editing configuration files, or general computer use, that
someone such as me has ever faced.
Yes, I use them when they are the only available access device.  However,
I think I would rather not program, than be required to do so with a
braille device.

Saying "braille is better for activity X", is not the same as saying "high
bandwidth is the best for internet access".  It is more similar to saying
"Windows is better for computer control"--it simply isn't true.  It may be
correct for some, but just as incorrect for an equal number of others.

Options are the key, and there is no one "better method", that if someone
"just gets used to, they will find it better".

Luke


 On Sat, 3 May 2003, Adam
Myrow wrote:

> On Sat, 3 May 2003, Igor Gueths wrote:
>
> > And in terms of programming, she tried to tell me that I needed a
> > braille display? And I kept telling her that I could read C just fine
> > with speech. I am sure that people like Kirk, Adam, and Chuck can agree
> > with me on this. Braille is not required to read code. However, setting
> > your punctuation level to all is required.
>
> Well, I used to say that a Braille display was a frivolous luxury until I
> actually got one.  The more you use one, the more you appreciate it for
> both programming and editing complex configuration files.  This is
> especially true when you want to change something in the middle of the
> line.  Say you have a line in your /etc/rc.d/rc.local file that says "echo
> 4 >/proc/speakup/toone."  To correct the typing error and remove that
> extra "o" in tone with speech requires you to type several keystrokes to
> get to it and delete it no matter how good you are at moving by words and
> characters.  With Braille routing on a Braille display, all I have to do
> is run my hand across the display until I am at that extra "o" and press
> the routing button above it and delete it with "x" in vi or control-D in
> pico or emacs.  So, while it is possible to program without a Braille
> display, and many do it, it is very nice to have once you start using one.
> I guess it's similar to having a dial-up connection to the Internet and
> then getting a good high-speed link.  Once you have it, it's very hard to
> do without it.  I almost never set my punctuation to a higher level since I
> use the Braille display to determine how the line is punctuated.
>
> One more note about Braille displays and then I'll shut up.  I can play an
> ASCII-based game of Checkers against the computer since it uses a
> lowercase b for the black pieces, a lowercase w for the white ones, and
> makes them uppercase when they become kings.  I'd hate to do that with
> speech!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Adam Myrow]

I wasn't talking about Braille as the only access device.  You are all
misunderstanding me.  What the original statement was that you don't need
a Braille display to program.  I agree with this statement, but what I was
trying to say is that Braille is very nice for programming.  That's where
the high-speed connection to the Internet analogy came from.  You don't
need a high speed connection to the Internet to read your email or
download files, but it is very nice to have one.  I agree with Kirk about
a qwerty keyboard VS. a Braille keyboard, though.  I originally chose the
Type 'N Speak as my portable device because I type about 2 to 3 times
faster on a qwerty keyboard than I can Braille even at my best.  So, my
statements about Braille were not about just Braille itself, but
specifically, using a Braille display for programming.  For me, I like to
have both options and almost always have speech with Braille at the same
time.

Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[jude dashiell]

I can think of one instance in which braille would be very useful for
programming.  If you had to rewrite spaghetti code in order to maintain it
later.  Relatedness would be a larger help in that situation than in black
box structured programming.On Sat, 3 May 2003, Adam Myrow wrote:

> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:01:30 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Adam Myrow <amyrow@midsouth.rr.com>
> Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers
>
> On Sat, 3 May 2003, Igor Gueths wrote:
>
> > And in terms of programming, she tried to tell me that I needed a
> > braille display? And I kept telling her that I could read C just fine
> > with speech. I am sure that people like Kirk, Adam, and Chuck can agree
> > with me on this. Braille is not required to read code. However, setting
> > your punctuation level to all is required.
>
> Well, I used to say that a Braille display was a frivolous luxury until I
> actually got one.  The more you use one, the more you appreciate it for
> both programming and editing complex configuration files.  This is
> especially true when you want to change something in the middle of the
> line.  Say you have a line in your /etc/rc.d/rc.local file that says "echo
> 4 >/proc/speakup/toone."  To correct the typing error and remove that
> extra "o" in tone with speech requires you to type several keystrokes to
> get to it and delete it no matter how good you are at moving by words and
> characters.  With Braille routing on a Braille display, all I have to do
> is run my hand across the display until I am at that extra "o" and press
> the routing button above it and delete it with "x" in vi or control-D in
> pico or emacs.  So, while it is possible to program without a Braille
> display, and many do it, it is very nice to have once you start using one.
> I guess it's similar to having a dial-up connection to the Internet and
> then getting a good high-speed link.  Once you have it, it's very hard to
> do without it.  I almost never set my punctuation to a higher level since I
> use the Braille display to determine how the line is punctuated.
>
> One more note about Braille displays and then I'll shut up.  I can play an
> ASCII-based game of Checkers against the computer since it uses a
> lowercase b for the black pieces, a lowercase w for the white ones, and
> makes them uppercase when they become kings.  I'd hate to do that with
> speech!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[David Poehlman]

I agree and there is another analogy between braille and broad band in that
there are some circomstances like your checkers game but even more so when
it is necessary for function at all.  Sure, you don't need braille, but I am
glad I got my display after many years of doing without one after having
some experience with one.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Myrow" <amyrow@midsouth.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers


On Sat, 3 May 2003, Igor Gueths wrote:

> And in terms of programming, she tried to tell me that I needed a
> braille display? And I kept telling her that I could read C just fine
> with speech. I am sure that people like Kirk, Adam, and Chuck can agree
> with me on this. Braille is not required to read code. However, setting
> your punctuation level to all is required.

Well, I used to say that a Braille display was a frivolous luxury until I
actually got one.  The more you use one, the more you appreciate it for
both programming and editing complex configuration files.  This is
especially true when you want to change something in the middle of the
line.  Say you have a line in your /etc/rc.d/rc.local file that says "echo
4 >/proc/speakup/toone."  To correct the typing error and remove that
extra "o" in tone with speech requires you to type several keystrokes to
get to it and delete it no matter how good you are at moving by words and
characters.  With Braille routing on a Braille display, all I have to do
is run my hand across the display until I am at that extra "o" and press
the routing button above it and delete it with "x" in vi or control-D in
pico or emacs.  So, while it is possible to program without a Braille
display, and many do it, it is very nice to have once you start using one.
I guess it's similar to having a dial-up connection to the Internet and
then getting a good high-speed link.  Once you have it, it's very hard to
do without it.  I almost never set my punctuation to a higher level since I
use the Braille display to determine how the line is punctuated.

One more note about Braille displays and then I'll shut up.  I can play an
ASCII-based game of Checkers against the computer since it uses a
lowercase b for the black pieces, a lowercase w for the white ones, and
makes them uppercase when they become kings.  I'd hate to do that with
speech!



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Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Maurice A. Mines]

hi all if you are deaf-blind braille is the only opation that's it.

Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Independence is choice.  Some find braille a hindrance, others do
not.  Some find speech clumsy and prefer braille.  The important thing
is to acknowledge that it is the needs of the individual which are
important.  

BTW, braille is a code, not a language.  

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

I am a braille reader but only rarely use braille as a
programming aid. I find speech access sufficient. But taste
varies. Even among sighted programmers, some will find visual
display entirely adequate while others have to print everything
out and study it. Bottom line -- there is no one best way for
everyone.
Chuck

On Sat, 3 May 2003, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 04:33:59PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
> > And in tterms of programming, she tried to tell
> > me that I needed a braille display? And I kept telling her that I could
> > read C just fine with speech. I am sure that people like Kirk, Adam, and
> > Chuck can agree with me on this. Braille is not required to read code.
> > However, setting your punctuation level to all is required.

-- 
The Moon is Waxing Crescent (6% of Full)
So visit me sometime at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh

Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Hi,
On Sat, 3 May 2003, Ann Parsons wrote:

>
> BTW, braille is a code, not a language.
>
> Ann P.

Yes. True. If braille were a language, then an American who knows
braille could communicate with a Russian who knows braille using
only braille, and that of course is not possible.

Chuck


-- 
The Moon is Waxing Crescent (6% of Full)
So visit me sometime at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh

Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

Hi,
On 3 May 2003, Kirk Reiser wrote:

> Hell,
> my first computer I wrote and used morse code to read the screen.  I
> hate absolutes.
>

My first computer I used punched cards and an IBM 026 keypunch. I
had to read the information on the cards using a stylus to feel
the holes and a humungous metal card holder made by Steubing
Engineering in Cincinnati so I could tell which card column I was
reading. Output was braille printed on a line printer cushioned
with a foot and a half of garter elastic.

Later I used a teletype attached to a time sharing system over so
slow a link that I could count the characters as it printed, and
I learned to figure out what it must be typing from the rhythm
and length of the response string.

So, my friends, speech and braille are conveniences, but there
must be about a zillion ways to skin a cat. I never used Morse
code though. That is cool!

Chuck

>
>

-- 
The Moon is Waxing Crescent (6% of Full)
So visit me sometime at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh

Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Steve Holmes]

Another point: The economic differences between dial-up and most high
speed internet connections doesn't even come close to the differences
between speech and Braille access solutions.  Do keep in mind that
once gainfully employed, you're basically on your own to acquire such
technology; when it came up for a choice between resurfacing a
swimming pool for $4,000 and paying probably over $6,000 for a Braille
device, guess who won out:).

On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 05:03:12PM -0500, Luke Davis wrote:
> With all due respect:
> 
> Your analogy is flawed (about DSL vs. Dialup).  Braille is not an option.
> It is something you have to learn--it is a language.  Therefore, if you
> did not learn it as a child, became blind later in life, or for what ever
> other reason did not become proficient with it, you probably never will.
> As such, using a braille display, would be the biggest impediment to
> programming, editing configuration files, or general computer use, that
> someone such as me has ever faced.
> Yes, I use them when they are the only available access device.  However,
> I think I would rather not program, than be required to do so with a
> braille device.
> 
> Saying "braille is better for activity X", is not the same as saying "high
> bandwidth is the best for internet access".  It is more similar to saying
> "Windows is better for computer control"--it simply isn't true.  It may be
> correct for some, but just as incorrect for an equal number of others.
> 
> Options are the key, and there is no one "better method", that if someone
> "just gets used to, they will find it better".
> 
> Luke

Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Adam. Point taken, and I can see how it could be usefull. However what
this person did was try to force me to get one, as if it was the end of
the world if I dnd't have one. I want it to be my choice whether or not I
get a braille display.

May you code in the power of the source,
may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you,
throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch.

On Sat, 3 May 2003, Adam Myrow wrote:

> On Sat, 3 May 2003, Igor Gueths wrote:
>
> > And in terms of programming, she tried to tell me that I needed a
> > braille display? And I kept telling her that I could read C just fine
> > with speech. I am sure that people like Kirk, Adam, and Chuck can agree
> > with me on this. Braille is not required to read code. However, setting
> > your punctuation level to all is required.
>
> Well, I used to say that a Braille display was a frivolous luxury until I
> actually got one.  The more you use one, the more you appreciate it for
> both programming and editing complex configuration files.  This is
> especially true when you want to change something in the middle of the
> line.  Say you have a line in your /etc/rc.d/rc.local file that says "echo
> 4 >/proc/speakup/toone."  To correct the typing error and remove that
> extra "o" in tone with speech requires you to type several keystrokes to
> get to it and delete it no matter how good you are at moving by words and
> characters.  With Braille routing on a Braille display, all I have to do
> is run my hand across the display until I am at that extra "o" and press
> the routing button above it and delete it with "x" in vi or control-D in
> pico or emacs.  So, while it is possible to program without a Braille
> display, and many do it, it is very nice to have once you start using one.
> I guess it's similar to having a dial-up connection to the Internet and
> then getting a good high-speed link.  Once you have it, it's very hard to
> do without it.  I almost never set my punctuation to a higher level since I
> use the Braille display to determine how the line is punctuated.
>
> One more note about Braille displays and then I'll shut up.  I can play an
> ASCII-based game of Checkers against the computer since it uses a
> lowercase b for the black pieces, a lowercase w for the white ones, and
> makes them uppercase when they become kings.  I'd hate to do that with
> speech!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Linux note taker

[Gregory Nowak]

Yes, and for that very reason, a bunch of former Blazie employees left FS.

Greg


On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 08:41:41AM -0400, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:
> Why the Pacmate it will never run Linux.
> FS was asked about Linux, and they blew it off because they are in love with
> Windows.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Linux note taker

[Lorenzo Prince]

FS is in love with Microshit because the two companies have the same goals
in mind.  Take as much money from the consumers as possible while giving
them a second-rate product, at the same time passing the second-rate
produce off as the greatest and only option out there, even if it's not,
and even though there are much better options out there.

Lorenzo

Whoa...I did a 'zcat /vmlinuz > /dev/audio' and I think I heard God...
	-- mikecd on #Linux

Gregory Nowak staggered into view and mumbled:

> Yes, and for that very reason, a bunch of former Blazie employees left FS.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 08:41:41AM -0400, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:
> > Why the Pacmate it will never run Linux.
> > FS was asked about Linux, and they blew it off because they are in love with
> > Windows.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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>

Re: Linux note taker

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Angelo:

It's actually an official at FS who has asked me about getting Linux on
the Pac Mate. Whether or not it can run Linux I don't know as I haven't
seen a list of parts yet.



Angelo Sonnesso writes:
> From: "Angelo Sonnesso" <asonnesso@gemdayservices.org>
> 
> Why the Pacmate it will never run Linux.
> FS was asked about Linux, and they blew it off because they are in love with
> Windows.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: Linux note taker

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

<smile>  Nobody said we want a packmate.  I would not be paid to take
one.

Ann P.

-- 
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email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: Linux note taker

[Gregory Nowak]

If it ran a gnu/linux distro instead of jaws and win ce,
I might consider it if I had the money, and was in the market for a note taker.

Greg


On Sun, May 04, 2003 at 10:30:44PM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> <smile>  Nobody said we want a packmate.  I would not be paid to take
> one.
> 
> Ann P.
> 
> -- 
> 			Ann K. Parsons  
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
> 
> 
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Linux note taker

[Patrick Turnage]

Hello 
It would be interesting to install Linux and maybe emacspeak with the
ViaVoice drivers to give it the same sound as Jaws, and using emacs could
give a lot of the most common notetaker applications from right inside
emacs, of course giving access to the shell and a larger storage card for
programs such as lynx, telnet, etc.
How does emacsspeak do with the term program? When I say term I mean m-x
term or m-x shell
Patrick
At 23:30 5/4/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>If it ran a gnu/linux distro instead of jaws and win ce,
>I might consider it if I had the money, and was in the market for a note
taker.
>
>Greg
>
>
>On Sun, May 04, 2003 at 10:30:44PM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> <smile>  Nobody said we want a packmate.  I would not be paid to take
>> one.
>> 
>> Ann P.
>> 
>> -- 
>> 			Ann K. Parsons  
>> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
>> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
>> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."
 JRRT
>> 
>> 
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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Re: Linux note taker

[Alex Snow]

Well they're not sucking anymore money out of me.  I'm fed up with jaws.
in my opinion versions after 3.71 have gone steadily downhill.  reasons
including that new screen help thing are starting to piss me off.  like I
used to be able to just hit insert-f1, here the window type, if it wasnt
 defined it'd tell me the window class, etc.  now you get that stupid
"jaws may not recognise this control..." message and you have to hit a
link to get more technical info.  and then you have to escape out of it.
pointless. It seems that all they are starting to care about is beginners.

--
A message from the system administrator: "I've upped my priority, now up yours!"
On Sun, 4 May 2003, Lorenzo Prince wrote:

> FS is in love with Microshit because the two companies have the same goals
> in mind.  Take as much money from the consumers as possible while giving
> them a second-rate product, at the same time passing the second-rate
> produce off as the greatest and only option out there, even if it's not,
> and even though there are much better options out there.
>
> Lorenzo
>
> Whoa...I did a 'zcat /vmlinuz > /dev/audio' and I think I heard God...
> 	-- mikecd on #Linux
>
> Gregory Nowak staggered into view and mumbled:
>
> > Yes, and for that very reason, a bunch of former Blazie employees left FS.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 08:41:41AM -0400, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:
> > > Why the Pacmate it will never run Linux.
> > > FS was asked about Linux, and they blew it off because they are in love with
> > > Windows.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Linux note taker

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Hmmmmm, interesting.  I shouldn't think so, I mean isn't that thing
filled with MS and FS stuff?  If you monkeyed with it, it'd probably
explode or you'd go to jail for abrogating your contract and their oh,
so, precious copyright and proprietariness.  You'd probably be run out
of town on a rail for the mere suggestion, Janina.  You better have
somebody in the wings ready to remove the tar and feathers.  Good
luck! 

Ann P.
  
-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: Linux note taker

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Emacspeak does not do well with term.  It can be done, but I've never
quite figured out how to do it.

Ann P.

-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: Linux note taker

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Liz, that depends on who's usin' the chell.  If it's somebody like me,
you're right, the options *are* limited.  If, on the other hand, you
are someone like Keith Watson or David Csurcsik, then that's a whole
other story.  

It's like Linux anywhere else, you have to know what you're doing.
Having the root password makes a lot of difference too.  

Ann P.
 
-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: Linux note taker

[Thomas Stivers]

On 04/23/03  8:42 PM -0400, Liz Hare wrote:
*snip*

Liz you may want to check what your date is set to. It says its
something like April 3rd. I guess it really doesn't matter too much, but
my mail program showed your message out of order. 
-- 
Unix is a user friendly operating system. It just picks its friends more
carefully than others.
Thomas Stivers	e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org	gpg: 45CBBABD

Re: Linux note taker

[Keith Watson]

Liz,

If you are using your elba to post to the list the first
thing I would do would be to change the date, either 
that or kirk has some nano creatures time warping your posts 
<grin>.

Ok, I am going to start this email off by saying that I am by no 
means an expert on the elba. Matter of fact I have had mine less 
than two months. That said...(Better duck cause here it comes)...

The elba, like it's cousins, only has 32 meg of ram and 32 meg of 
flash. This means that the amount of stuff that one can stuff in 
the thing is limited. I am talking apps, as one can always 
utilise the pcmcia to add more flash or even a pcmcia hard drive, 
if one should be so inclined to spend that kind-o-cabbage, or 
lucky enough to con the government into providing it to them with 
the thing. And actually you pretty much do need the HD in order 
to do any type of experimenting, because the compiler is fairly 
large.

I am not trying to be contrite when I say that the squeaky wheel 
gel's the grease, but you are the second person that I have run 
across in two days that did not have the root password or 
compiler for the unit. Sighted states on their website that they 
will provide both of these for any user who wishes it. All ya 
gotta do is ask. Matter of fact, I figure they are about sick of 
me asking because just tonight I got the config file for the 
kernel (Catch that Tommy, they gave it to me). I also hope to get 
the source for the mp3 player so's we can add a pause function to 
it. a ouch needed addition if you ask me.

Oh ya, one more thing. The Florida Division of Blind Services 
tried their best to talk me out of getting the elba. Know why? 
Cause I don't know braille. Imagine that. Well after two months 
of not really trying to learn braille I have learned quite a bit 
and am getting better all the time, so the fact that not all 
areas of the unit are accessible via speech didn't really make one 
bit of difference to me.

Whew! My synth is beat after re-listening to this rant. But I 
guess you get the idea that I am in love with the thing and have 
barely even scratch the surface. If I can help with anything 
please feel free to email me, either on list or off. If I don't 
have the answers I can find out.


-- 
Keith Watson
kwatson@smed.yi.org

Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant
but those with illusions of knowledge.    - B. Alan Wallace

Re: Linux note taker

[Diana Dawne]

Would you feel that even though it may have limitations would you pick 
the elba over the braille note and if so why?

thank you so very much.  I appreciate that this would be your own 
personal feelings.  

love,

Diana

On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Liz Hare 
wrote:

> 
> You can access the shell with Elba, it's just that what you can do there is 
> limited <smirk>
> 
> Liz
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 

RE: Linux note taker

[Sina Bahram]

May I humbly ask to be let in on what an elba is. It sounds like a note
taker, but also like a Braille 'N Speak of sorts with the functionality
of linux? Am I totally lost or just very confused *wonders when one
condition hasn't been true?*.

Thanks for any information, and sorry for my ignorence.

Take care all,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Keith Watson
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:13 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


Liz,

If you are using your elba to post to the list the first
thing I would do would be to change the date, either 
that or kirk has some nano creatures time warping your posts 
<grin>.

Ok, I am going to start this email off by saying that I am by no 
means an expert on the elba. Matter of fact I have had mine less 
than two months. That said...(Better duck cause here it comes)...

The elba, like it's cousins, only has 32 meg of ram and 32 meg of 
flash. This means that the amount of stuff that one can stuff in 
the thing is limited. I am talking apps, as one can always 
utilise the pcmcia to add more flash or even a pcmcia hard drive, 
if one should be so inclined to spend that kind-o-cabbage, or 
lucky enough to con the government into providing it to them with 
the thing. And actually you pretty much do need the HD in order 
to do any type of experimenting, because the compiler is fairly 
large.

I am not trying to be contrite when I say that the squeaky wheel 
gel's the grease, but you are the second person that I have run 
across in two days that did not have the root password or 
compiler for the unit. Sighted states on their website that they 
will provide both of these for any user who wishes it. All ya 
gotta do is ask. Matter of fact, I figure they are about sick of 
me asking because just tonight I got the config file for the 
kernel (Catch that Tommy, they gave it to me). I also hope to get 
the source for the mp3 player so's we can add a pause function to 
it. a ouch needed addition if you ask me.

Oh ya, one more thing. The Florida Division of Blind Services 
tried their best to talk me out of getting the elba. Know why? 
Cause I don't know braille. Imagine that. Well after two months 
of not really trying to learn braille I have learned quite a bit 
and am getting better all the time, so the fact that not all 
areas of the unit are accessible via speech didn't really make one 
bit of difference to me.

Whew! My synth is beat after re-listening to this rant. But I 
guess you get the idea that I am in love with the thing and have 
barely even scratch the surface. If I can help with anything 
please feel free to email me, either on list or off. If I don't 
have the answers I can find out.


-- 
Keith Watson
kwatson@smed.yi.org

Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant
but those with illusions of knowledge.    - B. Alan Wallace

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RE: Linux note taker

[Diana Dawne]

Seems for not being told anything you have good reasoning powers.  The 
elba is a note taker that runs on Linux.  I'm sure that someone who has 
one can explain it much better.  

love,

Diana

On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Sina Bahram wrote:

> May I humbly ask to be let in on what an elba is. It sounds like a note
> taker, but also like a Braille 'N Speak of sorts with the functionality
> of linux? Am I totally lost or just very confused *wonders when one
> condition hasn't been true?*.
> 
> Thanks for any information, and sorry for my ignorence.
> 
> Take care all,
> Sina
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Keith Watson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:13 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Linux note taker
> 
> 
> Liz,
> 
> If you are using your elba to post to the list the first
> thing I would do would be to change the date, either 
> that or kirk has some nano creatures time warping your posts 
> <grin>.
> 
> Ok, I am going to start this email off by saying that I am by no 
> means an expert on the elba. Matter of fact I have had mine less 
> than two months. That said...(Better duck cause here it comes)...
> 
> The elba, like it's cousins, only has 32 meg of ram and 32 meg of 
> flash. This means that the amount of stuff that one can stuff in 
> the thing is limited. I am talking apps, as one can always 
> utilise the pcmcia to add more flash or even a pcmcia hard drive, 
> if one should be so inclined to spend that kind-o-cabbage, or 
> lucky enough to con the government into providing it to them with 
> the thing. And actually you pretty much do need the HD in order 
> to do any type of experimenting, because the compiler is fairly 
> large.
> 
> I am not trying to be contrite when I say that the squeaky wheel 
> gel's the grease, but you are the second person that I have run 
> across in two days that did not have the root password or 
> compiler for the unit. Sighted states on their website that they 
> will provide both of these for any user who wishes it. All ya 
> gotta do is ask. Matter of fact, I figure they are about sick of 
> me asking because just tonight I got the config file for the 
> kernel (Catch that Tommy, they gave it to me). I also hope to get 
> the source for the mp3 player so's we can add a pause function to 
> it. a ouch needed addition if you ask me.
> 
> Oh ya, one more thing. The Florida Division of Blind Services 
> tried their best to talk me out of getting the elba. Know why? 
> Cause I don't know braille. Imagine that. Well after two months 
> of not really trying to learn braille I have learned quite a bit 
> and am getting better all the time, so the fact that not all 
> areas of the unit are accessible via speech didn't really make one 
> bit of difference to me.
> 
> Whew! My synth is beat after re-listening to this rant. But I 
> guess you get the idea that I am in love with the thing and have 
> barely even scratch the surface. If I can help with anything 
> please feel free to email me, either on list or off. If I don't 
> have the answers I can find out.
> 
> 
> 

RE: Linux note taker

[Ann Parsons]

Hi Sina,

>>>>> "Sina" == Sina Bahram <sbahram@nc.rr.com> writes:

    Sina> May I humbly ask to be let in on what an elba is. It sounds
    Sina> like a note taker, but also like a Braille 'N Speak of sorts
    Sina> with the functionality of linux? Am I totally lost or just
    Sina> very confused *wonders when one condition hasn't been
    Sina> true?*.


Actually, you'll be glad to know that you're neither in this case.
Try the following URL, and you can, as they say, "read all about it". 

http://www.sighted.com

BTW, this may be off-topic, but sometimes I get confused when I see
Middle Eastern or Asian names.  Are you a him or a her, please?    I'm
thinking a her, but I could be wrong.   I guess that's what we get for
getting to know each other via email.  <smile>  This reminds me of a
poem my father used to quote in the 60s when fashions were somewhat
unusual.

"Behold the happy bounding flea,
You cannot tell the he from she,
But she can tell and so can he."

Ogden Nash

Ann P.


-- 
			Ann K. Parsons  
email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: Linux note taker

[Keith Watson]

Sina,

The elba is a braille note on steroids. <grin>

It's a notetaker that uses linux as an OS and not that Winblows 
pig.

Keith

On 11:36 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
> May I humbly ask to be let in on what an elba is. It sounds like a note
> taker, but also like a Braille 'N Speak of sorts with the functionality
> of linux? Am I totally lost or just very confused *wonders when one
> condition hasn't been true?*.
> 
> Thanks for any information, and sorry for my ignorence.
> 
> Take care all,
> Sina
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Keith Watson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:13 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Linux note taker
> 
> 
> Liz,
> 
> If you are using your elba to post to the list the first
> thing I would do would be to change the date, either 
> that or kirk has some nano creatures time warping your posts 
> <grin>.
> 
> Ok, I am going to start this email off by saying that I am by no 
> means an expert on the elba. Matter of fact I have had mine less 
> than two months. That said...(Better duck cause here it comes)...
> 
> The elba, like it's cousins, only has 32 meg of ram and 32 meg of 
> flash. This means that the amount of stuff that one can stuff in 
> the thing is limited. I am talking apps, as one can always 
> utilise the pcmcia to add more flash or even a pcmcia hard drive, 
> if one should be so inclined to spend that kind-o-cabbage, or 
> lucky enough to con the government into providing it to them with 
> the thing. And actually you pretty much do need the HD in order 
> to do any type of experimenting, because the compiler is fairly 
> large.
> 
> I am not trying to be contrite when I say that the squeaky wheel 
> gel's the grease, but you are the second person that I have run 
> across in two days that did not have the root password or 
> compiler for the unit. Sighted states on their website that they 
> will provide both of these for any user who wishes it. All ya 
> gotta do is ask. Matter of fact, I figure they are about sick of 
> me asking because just tonight I got the config file for the 
> kernel (Catch that Tommy, they gave it to me). I also hope to get 
> the source for the mp3 player so's we can add a pause function to 
> it. a ouch needed addition if you ask me.
> 
> Oh ya, one more thing. The Florida Division of Blind Services 
> tried their best to talk me out of getting the elba. Know why? 
> Cause I don't know braille. Imagine that. Well after two months 
> of not really trying to learn braille I have learned quite a bit 
> and am getting better all the time, so the fact that not all 
> areas of the unit are accessible via speech didn't really make one 
> bit of difference to me.
> 
> Whew! My synth is beat after re-listening to this rant. But I 
> guess you get the idea that I am in love with the thing and have 
> barely even scratch the surface. If I can help with anything 
> please feel free to email me, either on list or off. If I don't 
> have the answers I can find out.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Keith Watson
> kwatson@smed.yi.org
> 
> Among the major impediments to discovery are not the ignorant
> but those with illusions of knowledge.    - B. Alan Wallace
> 
> _______________________________________________
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RE: Linux note taker

[Sina Bahram]

Oh, thank you for the information. I guess that's an interesting idea,
although I can't imagine how you could compress any distro of linux down
so much.

Thanks,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]
On Behalf Of Keith Watson
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:08 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Linux note taker


Sina,

The elba is a braille note on steroids. <grin>

It's a notetaker that uses linux as an OS and not that Winblows 
pig.

Keith

On 11:36 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
> May I humbly ask to be let in on what an elba is. It sounds like a 
> note taker, but also like a Braille 'N Speak of sorts with the 
> functionality of linux? Am I totally lost or just very confused 
> *wonders when one condition hasn't been true?*.
> 
> Thanks for any information, and sorry for my ignorence.
> 
> Take care all,
> Sina
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca 
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]
> On Behalf Of Keith Watson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 9:13 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Linux note taker
> 
> 
> Liz,
> 
> If you are using your elba to post to the list the first thing I would

> do would be to change the date, either that or kirk has some nano 
> creatures time warping your posts <grin>.
> 
> Ok, I am going to start this email off by saying that I am by no
> means an expert on the elba. Matter of fact I have had mine less 
> than two months. That said...(Better duck cause here it comes)...
> 
> The elba, like it's cousins, only has 32 meg of ram and 32 meg of
> flash. This means that the amount of stuff that one can stuff in 
> the thing is limited. I am talking apps, as one can always 
> utilise the pcmcia to add more flash or even a pcmcia hard drive, 
> if one should be so inclined to spend that kind-o-cabbage, or 
> lucky enough to con the government into providing it to them with 
> the thing. And actually you pretty much do need the HD in order 
> to do any type of experimenting, because the compiler is fairly 
> large.
> 
> I am not trying to be contrite when I say that the squeaky wheel
> gel's the grease, but you are the second person that I have run 
> across in two days that did not have the root password or 
> compiler for the unit. Sighted states on their website that they 
> will provide both of these for any user who wishes it. All ya 
> gotta do is ask. Matter of fact, I figure they are about sick of 
> me asking because just tonight I got the config file for the 
> kernel (Catch that Tommy, they gave it to me). I also hope to get 
> the source for the mp3 player so's we can add a pause function to 
> it. a ouch needed addition if you ask me.
> 
> Oh ya, one more thing. The Florida Division of Blind Services
> tried their best to talk me out of getting the elba. Know why? 
> Cause I don't know braille. Imagine that. Well after two months 
> of not really trying to learn braille I have learned quite a bit 
> and am getting better all the time, so the fact that not all 
> areas of the unit are accessible via speech didn't really make one 
> bit of difference to me.
> 
> Whew! My synth is beat after re-listening to this rant. But I
> guess you get the idea that I am in love with the thing and have 
> barely even scratch the surface. If I can help with anything 
> please feel free to email me, either on list or off. If I don't 
> have the answers I can find out.
> 
> 
> --
> Keith Watson
> kwatson@smed.yi.org
> 
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> but those with illusions of knowledge.    - B. Alan Wallace
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