From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from nfs.azboss.net ([206.124.164.2] helo=mail.azboss.net) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19C47l-0000uP-00 for ; Sat, 03 May 2003 17:00:49 -0400 Received: from nu7i (gw.shandrow.com [206.124.184.73]) by mail.azboss.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h43KvUM20684 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 13:57:30 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c311b7$0effd340$6401a8c0@nu7i> From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: References: Subject: Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 14:00:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Igor, Though Braille isn't required for coding, it is extremely helpful for many programmers, and may in fact be required for some. Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! A+, CCNA, Network+! Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igor Gueths" To: Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Unpopularity of Linux notetakers > Hi Ann. Good point. I did in fact speak to one of their techies and even > she looked at me like I was weird. And I didn't exactly demand it, perhaps > my post implied that fact. What I mearly did was ask if they would supply > one. And her response was that they didn't carry that due to its unpopular > nature. And Ann you had some good suggestions. Perhaps I will look into > Sighted providing a demo for them, because I think this is a very good > aproach. I can also talk to them about the Elba, however I don't think > this will do much in terms of influencing. I believe a demo is a better > aproach to this problem. And in tterms of programming, she tried to tell > me that I needed a braille display? And I kept telling her that I could > read C just fine with speech. I am sure that people like Kirk, Adam, and > Chuck can agree with me on this. Braille is not required to read code. > However, setting your punctuation level to all is required. > > May you code in the power of the source, > may the kernel, libraries, and utilities be with you, > throughout all distributions until the end of the epoch. > > On Sat, 3 May 2003, Charles Crawford wrote: > > > Well, the head of the MCB tech program wrote two books on assistive > > technology. If he is not up to speed onLinux, then it's his own problem. > > Smile. > > On Sat, 3 May 2003, Ann Parsons wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Igor, you can't just demand that your rehab people get you an Elba. > > > Yes, they don't know about Elba, and if you say the word, they look at > > > you like you're weird. The thing you have to do, is not just say, "I > > > would like an Elba." You have to do what I'm doing now, researching > > > it! Talk to Pelisher at Sighted. See if he will do a demo for your > > > rehab folks. they don't need to know as much about Linux, maybe, but > > > what might impress them is: long battery life, thirty-six months > > > warantee on braille cells, plays MP3 files *now* not next month's > > > release, has network card as standard, not upon request, has USB and > > > IR ports *now* not upon request, has larger capacity for storage, 5 > > > gigs if you purchase that card/thinger, coming GPS same as for > > > packmate, (only probably more stable because of the OS, this bit not > > > relevant to them). Do your homework, guy, if you want an Elba, tell > > > them why! Explain about your programming needs, (Elba has C compiler > > > upon request). > > > > > > All they care about is if it's cost effective and if it will be used > > > properly. Don't give 'em too much info, not unless you're talking to > > > their techies, and then, give fullsome detail. > > > > > > >>>>> "David" == David Poehlman writes: > > > > > > David> I'd start with a note to sighted electronics and I would > > > David> also copy my request to your congressperson. You should be > > > David> able to get what you need not what they think or try to > > > David> tell you that they need. The truth is that they don't > > > David> understand linux and they are geared towards windows. We > > > David> had the same trouble with jaws in maryland till I banged on > > > David> them from my position in the tech act project, brought jaws > > > David> in and trained them and began demonstrating it to various > > > David> and assundry folk who started asking for it inside and > > > David> outside the rehab center. > > > > > > Ah, David, just what did you mean here? Did you mean Linux or > > > Window-Eyes or what? You mistyped and lost your point. > > > > > > Ann P. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Charlie Crawford > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup