* vmware question @ Gregory Nowak ` hank ` David Link 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all. I'm thinking of playing with vmware for the 30 day trial period, and I want to install it on a host gnu/linux system. I know you need to have x setup to run vmware, but I plan to launch x virtually, the way that Janina does, without having it appear on the screen and all that. Anyway, my question is does anyone know if it is possible to install vmware without sighted assistance, or do I need to hook up a mouse and monitor to this machine, run x for real, and get a sightling here to read to me? Thanks. Greg - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBcsGA7s9z/XlyUyARAqH9AKCf4idvhlrWXcmQh8wjVRU+VVtauQCgmJz2 0Wp9SpXx1DWoQyUGjyg0F2Y= =EDQD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: vmware question vmware question Gregory Nowak @ ` hank ` David Link 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: hank @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. how do you run x vertural genena? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: vmware question > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all. > > I'm thinking of playing with vmware for the 30 day trial period, and I > want to install it on a host gnu/linux system. I know you need to have > x setup to run vmware, but I plan to launch x virtually, the way that > Janina does, without having it appear on the screen and all that. > > Anyway, my question is does anyone know if it is possible to install > vmware without sighted assistance, or do I need to hook up a mouse and > monitor to this machine, run x for real, and get a sightling here to > read to me? Thanks. > > Greg > > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBcsGA7s9z/XlyUyARAqH9AKCf4idvhlrWXcmQh8wjVRU+VVtauQCgmJz2 > 0Wp9SpXx1DWoQyUGjyg0F2Y= > =EDQD > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: vmware question vmware question Gregory Nowak ` hank @ ` David Link ` Erik Heil ` hank 1 sibling, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: David Link @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, I am not sure, but vmware is quite a complex software with a lot of options ... As a sightling I would recommend a sightling ;) If I can be of any help (using vmware for ages now), let me know. If you just want to run win apps on linux, check out crossover office - it is less demanding regarding memory etc... Hope that helps, David Gregory Nowak wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm thinking of playing with vmware for the 30 day trial period, and I > want to install it on a host gnu/linux system. I know you need to have > x setup to run vmware, but I plan to launch x virtually, the way that > Janina does, without having it appear on the screen and all that. > > Anyway, my question is does anyone know if it is possible to install > vmware without sighted assistance, or do I need to hook up a mouse and > monitor to this machine, run x for real, and get a sightling here to > read to me? Thanks. > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- ___ David Link Alpha60 technologies E: david@khm.de W: http://alpha60.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: vmware question ` David Link @ ` Erik Heil ` David Link ` Gregory Nowak ` hank 1 sibling, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Erik Heil @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi their. Cross Over Office? I've never heard of that. I wonder if it would be possible to run Windows within a VmWare context, and then have your Windows screen reader also active? Obviously you wouldn't have it use a hardware synth, but you'd have to use some kind of software speech such as Eloquence or other MsAPI-compliant synth. -- Erik Heil <eheil@va3duk.serveftp.com> Phone: (865) 673-0542 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: vmware question ` Erik Heil @ ` David Link ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: David Link @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Erik Heil wrote: >Hi their. Cross Over Office? I've never heard of that. I wonder if it >would be possible to run Windows within a VmWare context, and then have >your Windows screen reader also active? Obviously you wouldn't have it >use a hardware synth, but you'd have to use some kind of software speech >such as Eloquence or other MsAPI-compliant synth. > > > cross over plugin is the outcome of the wine-project. it is a software-emulator, so it translates windows function calls to linux. it is much faster than vmware. it supports perfectly word, photoshop and some more. i am very happy with it. -- ___ David Link Alpha60 technologies E: david@khm.de W: http://alpha60.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: vmware question ` Erik Heil ` David Link @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:32:45AM -0400, Erik Heil wrote: > Obviously you wouldn't have it > use a hardware synth, but you'd have to use some kind of software speech > such as Eloquence or other MsAPI-compliant synth. > I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning. Assuming that the serial ports in the virtual machine map to the physical serial ports on the host system, there shouldn't be a problem with using a hardware synth as far as I can see. Greg - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBc/lG7s9z/XlyUyARAp2RAJ0TqA25NLn+Z2EkW4khf3ZHfFKsiACfUKct n6ectTKUmfvGXo053psqW5Q= =TqMx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: vmware question ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Actually, I think a hardware synth might be easier to configure for good results. The problem of using software speech is that you need to get all the various timings properly configured, or speech becomes very choppy. However, vmware can work with a Windows screen reader on a Linux host. I understand there has also been the opposity reported here some years hence--Speakup running ina Linux guest under a Windows host on vmware. A word about your original question: I'd suggest you have nothing to lose by attempting to configure vmware by editing it's ascii config files. If I ever go back to working with vmware, that is precisely what I intend. Let me explain. The installation of vmware is quite straight forward. I have simply used rpm files. You can also unpack a tarball and run make install. There are perl scripts for basic vmware configuration, and these are perfectly accessible with Speakup. The next stage is not accessible. It is the matter of launching VMware on the X desktop and configuring the virtual machine. For the sighted user, this is a matter of having some 80% of the screen as the virtual machine window, and the remaining 20% as the vmware control functions. So, one configures via a tool bar with familiar buttons like start/stop, files, edit, view, etc., etc. Now, here's what's happening under the hood. Wherever you choose to install vmware via the first few steps, you'll find config files that are plain ASCII files. I see no reason why one shouldn't try tweaking those by hand, even though there are warnings plastered all over them. After all, what's to lose? It gets even better. Once you configure and install abasic vm, you find that this entire virtual machine is simply a file (possibly a partition, but usually just a file) on your hd. So, for further expirimental tweaking, you can return to known state by simply creating a back copy of that file first. Now, it can be a very big file. E.g., if you say "Give my virtual Windows machine a 6 Gb size," you'll have a 6Gb file sitting there on Linux. But, you can see it, copy it, compress it, etc., etc. Gregory Nowak writes: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:32:45AM -0400, Erik Heil wrote: > > Obviously you wouldn't have it > > use a hardware synth, but you'd have to use some kind of software speech > > such as Eloquence or other MsAPI-compliant synth. > > > > I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning. Assuming that the serial > ports in the virtual machine map to the physical serial ports on the > host system, there shouldn't be a problem with using a hardware synth > as far as I can see. > > Greg > > > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBc/lG7s9z/XlyUyARAp2RAJ0TqA25NLn+Z2EkW4khf3ZHfFKsiACfUKct > n6ectTKUmfvGXo053psqW5Q= > =TqMx > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Chair Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org Phone: +1 202.494.7040 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: vmware question ` David Link ` Erik Heil @ ` hank ` Juan Hernandez 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: hank @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. can you run a windows screen reader with any of these aps? and can you give me instructions on how to get vmware running on linux if cross over office won't work? I have been wanting to do this fore quite a while thanks hank ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Link" <david@khm.de> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:44 AM Subject: Re: vmware question > Hi, > > I am not sure, but vmware is quite a complex software with a lot of > options ... As a sightling I would recommend a sightling ;) If I can be of > any help (using vmware for ages now), let me know. If you just want to run > win apps on linux, check out crossover office - it is less demanding > regarding memory etc... > > Hope that helps, > > David > > Gregory Nowak wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> I'm thinking of playing with vmware for the 30 day trial period, and I >> want to install it on a host gnu/linux system. I know you need to have >> x setup to run vmware, but I plan to launch x virtually, the way that >> Janina does, without having it appear on the screen and all that. >> >> Anyway, my question is does anyone know if it is possible to install >> vmware without sighted assistance, or do I need to hook up a mouse and >> monitor to this machine, run x for real, and get a sightling here to >> read to me? Thanks. >> >> Greg >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > ___ > David Link > Alpha60 technologies > E: david@khm.de > W: http://alpha60.de > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: vmware question ` hank @ ` Juan Hernandez ` scripts Butch Bussen ` vmware question hank 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Juan Hernandez @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. from my past expearance from vmware, you can use a screenr eader. ----- Original Message ----- From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 9:02 AM Subject: Re: vmware question > can you run a windows screen reader with any of these aps? and can you give > me instructions on how to get vmware running on linux if cross over office > won't work? > I have been wanting to do this fore quite a while > thanks > hank > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Link" <david@khm.de> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:44 AM > Subject: Re: vmware question > > > > Hi, > > > > I am not sure, but vmware is quite a complex software with a lot of > > options ... As a sightling I would recommend a sightling ;) If I can be of > > any help (using vmware for ages now), let me know. If you just want to run > > win apps on linux, check out crossover office - it is less demanding > > regarding memory etc... > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > David > > > > Gregory Nowak wrote: > > > >> Hi all. > >> > >> I'm thinking of playing with vmware for the 30 day trial period, and I > >> want to install it on a host gnu/linux system. I know you need to have > >> x setup to run vmware, but I plan to launch x virtually, the way that > >> Janina does, without having it appear on the screen and all that. > >> > >> Anyway, my question is does anyone know if it is possible to install > >> vmware without sighted assistance, or do I need to hook up a mouse and > >> monitor to this machine, run x for real, and get a sightling here to > >> read to me? Thanks. > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > -- > > ___ > > David Link > > Alpha60 technologies > > E: david@khm.de > > W: http://alpha60.de > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* scripts ` Juan Hernandez @ ` Butch Bussen ` vmware question hank 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Butch Bussen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I'm starting to learn a little about writing scripts for bash. Anyone on the list interested in giving me a little hhelp off list? 73s Butch Bussen wa0vjr ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: vmware question ` Juan Hernandez ` scripts Butch Bussen @ ` hank 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: hank @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. how easy is it to set up though as a blind user and from a blind user perspective? can I get some instructions on this? thanks hank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Hernandez" <juanh@cox.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:13 AM Subject: Re: vmware question > from my past expearance from vmware, you can use a screenr eader. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 9:02 AM > Subject: Re: vmware question > > >> can you run a windows screen reader with any of these aps? and can you > give >> me instructions on how to get vmware running on linux if cross over >> office >> won't work? >> I have been wanting to do this fore quite a while >> thanks >> hank >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Link" <david@khm.de> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:44 AM >> Subject: Re: vmware question >> >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I am not sure, but vmware is quite a complex software with a lot of >> > options ... As a sightling I would recommend a sightling ;) If I can be > of >> > any help (using vmware for ages now), let me know. If you just want to > run >> > win apps on linux, check out crossover office - it is less demanding >> > regarding memory etc... >> > >> > Hope that helps, >> > >> > David >> > >> > Gregory Nowak wrote: >> > >> >> Hi all. >> >> >> >> I'm thinking of playing with vmware for the 30 day trial period, and I >> >> want to install it on a host gnu/linux system. I know you need to have >> >> x setup to run vmware, but I plan to launch x virtually, the way that >> >> Janina does, without having it appear on the screen and all that. >> >> >> >> Anyway, my question is does anyone know if it is possible to install >> >> vmware without sighted assistance, or do I need to hook up a mouse and >> >> monitor to this machine, run x for real, and get a sightling here to >> >> read to me? Thanks. >> >> >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ___ >> > David Link >> > Alpha60 technologies >> > E: david@khm.de >> > W: http://alpha60.de >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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