vmware question

vmware question

[Gregory Nowak]

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Hi all.

I'm thinking of playing with vmware for the 30 day trial period, and I
want to install it on a host gnu/linux system. I know you need to have
x setup to run vmware, but I plan to launch x virtually, the way that
Janina does, without having it appear on the screen and all that. 

Anyway, my question is does anyone know if it is possible to install
vmware without sighted assistance, or do I need to hook up a mouse and
monitor to this machine, run x for real, and get a sightling here to
read to me? Thanks.

Greg


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Re: vmware question

[hank]

how do you run x vertural genena?
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From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 12:01 PM
Subject: vmware question


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> Hi all.
> 
> I'm thinking of playing with vmware for the 30 day trial period, and I
> want to install it on a host gnu/linux system. I know you need to have
> x setup to run vmware, but I plan to launch x virtually, the way that
> Janina does, without having it appear on the screen and all that. 
> 
> Anyway, my question is does anyone know if it is possible to install
> vmware without sighted assistance, or do I need to hook up a mouse and
> monitor to this machine, run x for real, and get a sightling here to
> read to me? Thanks.
> 
> Greg
> 
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Re: vmware question

[David Link]

Hi,

I am not sure, but vmware is quite a complex software with a lot of 
options ... As a sightling I would recommend a sightling ;) If I can be 
of any help (using vmware for ages now), let me know. If you just want 
to run win apps on linux, check out crossover office - it is less 
demanding regarding memory etc...

Hope that helps,

David

Gregory Nowak wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I'm thinking of playing with vmware for the 30 day trial period, and I
> want to install it on a host gnu/linux system. I know you need to have
> x setup to run vmware, but I plan to launch x virtually, the way that
> Janina does, without having it appear on the screen and all that.
>
> Anyway, my question is does anyone know if it is possible to install
> vmware without sighted assistance, or do I need to hook up a mouse and
> monitor to this machine, run x for real, and get a sightling here to
> read to me? Thanks.
>
> Greg
>
>

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Re: vmware question

[Erik Heil]

Hi their.  Cross Over Office?  I've never heard of that.  I wonder if it 
would be possible to run Windows within a VmWare context, and then have 
your Windows screen reader also active?  Obviously you wouldn't have it 
use a hardware synth, but you'd have to use some kind of software speech 
such as Eloquence or other MsAPI-compliant synth.

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Re: vmware question

[David Link]

Erik Heil wrote:

>Hi their.  Cross Over Office?  I've never heard of that.  I wonder if it 
>would be possible to run Windows within a VmWare context, and then have 
>your Windows screen reader also active?  Obviously you wouldn't have it 
>use a hardware synth, but you'd have to use some kind of software speech 
>such as Eloquence or other MsAPI-compliant synth.
>
>  
>
cross over plugin is the outcome of the wine-project. it is a 
software-emulator, so it translates windows function calls to linux. it 
is much faster than vmware. it supports perfectly word, photoshop and 
some more. i am very happy with it.

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Re: vmware question

[hank]

can you run a windows screen reader with any of these aps? and can you give 
me instructions on how to get vmware running on linux if cross over office 
won't work?
I have been wanting to do this fore quite a while
thanks
hank
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Link" <david@khm.de>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: vmware question


> Hi,
>
> I am not sure, but vmware is quite a complex software with a lot of 
> options ... As a sightling I would recommend a sightling ;) If I can be of 
> any help (using vmware for ages now), let me know. If you just want to run 
> win apps on linux, check out crossover office - it is less demanding 
> regarding memory etc...
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> David
>
> Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> I'm thinking of playing with vmware for the 30 day trial period, and I
>> want to install it on a host gnu/linux system. I know you need to have
>> x setup to run vmware, but I plan to launch x virtually, the way that
>> Janina does, without having it appear on the screen and all that.
>>
>> Anyway, my question is does anyone know if it is possible to install
>> vmware without sighted assistance, or do I need to hook up a mouse and
>> monitor to this machine, run x for real, and get a sightling here to
>> read to me? Thanks.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>
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Re: vmware question

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:32:45AM -0400, Erik Heil wrote:
> Obviously you wouldn't have it 
> use a hardware synth, but you'd have to use some kind of software speech 
> such as Eloquence or other MsAPI-compliant synth.
> 

I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning. Assuming that the serial
ports in the virtual machine map to the physical serial ports on the
host system, there shouldn't be a problem with using a hardware synth
as far as I can see.

Greg



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Re: vmware question

[Juan Hernandez]

from my past expearance from vmware, you can use a screenr eader.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: vmware question


> can you run a windows screen reader with any of these aps? and can you
give
> me instructions on how to get vmware running on linux if cross over office
> won't work?
> I have been wanting to do this fore quite a while
> thanks
> hank
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Link" <david@khm.de>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:44 AM
> Subject: Re: vmware question
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am not sure, but vmware is quite a complex software with a lot of
> > options ... As a sightling I would recommend a sightling ;) If I can be
of
> > any help (using vmware for ages now), let me know. If you just want to
run
> > win apps on linux, check out crossover office - it is less demanding
> > regarding memory etc...
> >
> > Hope that helps,
> >
> > David
> >
> > Gregory Nowak wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all.
> >>
> >> I'm thinking of playing with vmware for the 30 day trial period, and I
> >> want to install it on a host gnu/linux system. I know you need to have
> >> x setup to run vmware, but I plan to launch x virtually, the way that
> >> Janina does, without having it appear on the screen and all that.
> >>
> >> Anyway, my question is does anyone know if it is possible to install
> >> vmware without sighted assistance, or do I need to hook up a mouse and
> >> monitor to this machine, run x for real, and get a sightling here to
> >> read to me? Thanks.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >>
> >
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scripts

[Butch Bussen]

I'm starting to learn a little about writing scripts for bash.  Anyone on 
the list interested in giving me a little hhelp off list?
73s
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr

Re: vmware question

[hank]

how easy is it to set up though as a blind user and from a blind user 
perspective? can I get some instructions on this? thanks hank
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Juan Hernandez" <juanh@cox.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: vmware question


> from my past expearance from vmware, you can use a screenr eader.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "hank" <hank@hanksmith.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 9:02 AM
> Subject: Re: vmware question
>
>
>> can you run a windows screen reader with any of these aps? and can you
> give
>> me instructions on how to get vmware running on linux if cross over 
>> office
>> won't work?
>> I have been wanting to do this fore quite a while
>> thanks
>> hank
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Link" <david@khm.de>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: vmware question
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I am not sure, but vmware is quite a complex software with a lot of
>> > options ... As a sightling I would recommend a sightling ;) If I can be
> of
>> > any help (using vmware for ages now), let me know. If you just want to
> run
>> > win apps on linux, check out crossover office - it is less demanding
>> > regarding memory etc...
>> >
>> > Hope that helps,
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > Gregory Nowak wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi all.
>> >>
>> >> I'm thinking of playing with vmware for the 30 day trial period, and I
>> >> want to install it on a host gnu/linux system. I know you need to have
>> >> x setup to run vmware, but I plan to launch x virtually, the way that
>> >> Janina does, without having it appear on the screen and all that.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, my question is does anyone know if it is possible to install
>> >> vmware without sighted assistance, or do I need to hook up a mouse and
>> >> monitor to this machine, run x for real, and get a sightling here to
>> >> read to me? Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> Greg
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > Alpha60 technologies
>> > E: david@khm.de
>> > W: http://alpha60.de
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: vmware question

[Janina Sajka]

Actually, I think a hardware synth might be easier to configure for good
results.

The problem of using software speech is that you need to get all the
various timings properly configured, or speech becomes very choppy.

However, vmware can work with a Windows screen reader on a Linux host. I
understand there has also been the opposity reported here some years
hence--Speakup running ina Linux guest under a Windows host on vmware.

A word about your original question:

I'd suggest you have nothing to lose by attempting to configure vmware
by editing it's ascii config files. If I ever go back to working with
vmware, that is precisely what I intend. Let me explain.

The installation of vmware is quite straight forward. I have simply used
rpm files. You can also unpack a tarball and run make install.

There are perl scripts for basic vmware configuration, and these are
perfectly accessible with Speakup.

The next stage is not accessible. It is the matter of launching VMware
on the X desktop and configuring the virtual machine. For the sighted
user, this is a matter of having some 80% of the screen as the virtual
machine window, and the remaining 20% as the vmware control functions.
So, one configures via a tool bar with familiar buttons like start/stop,
files, edit, view, etc., etc.

Now, here's what's happening under the hood.

Wherever you choose to install vmware via the first few steps, you'll
find config files that are plain ASCII files. I see no reason why one
shouldn't try tweaking those by hand, even though there are warnings
plastered all over them. After all, what's to lose?

It gets even better. Once you configure and install abasic vm, you find
that this entire virtual machine is simply a file (possibly a partition,
but usually just a file) on your hd. So, for further expirimental
tweaking, you can return to known state by simply creating a back copy
of that file first. Now, it can be a very big file. E.g., if you say
"Give my virtual Windows machine a 6 Gb size," you'll have a 6Gb file
sitting there on Linux. But, you can see it, copy it, compress it, etc.,
etc.




Gregory Nowak writes:
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> On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:32:45AM -0400, Erik Heil wrote:
> > Obviously you wouldn't have it 
> > use a hardware synth, but you'd have to use some kind of software speech 
> > such as Eloquence or other MsAPI-compliant synth.
> > 
> 
> I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning. Assuming that the serial
> ports in the virtual machine map to the physical serial ports on the
> host system, there shouldn't be a problem with using a hardware synth
> as far as I can see.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
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