* a bit of trivia I found interesting @ Adam Myrow ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Adam Myrow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I was just looking through files on my computer and stumbled over a README file from an old shareware DOS screen reader called TinyTalk. The part that I found interesting is that it listed several synthesizers that existed around 1994 and what chipset they used. It mentioned that the Braille 'N Speak line as well as the Accent line both use a chip called the SSI263. I found this interesting because the Braille 'N Speak sounds like crap, has terrible pronunciation, and practically no inflection. The Accent still sounds very mechanical, but has a lot more inflection, and its pronunciation is 10 times better than the Braille 'N Speak line. Apparently, this chipset wasn't the only piece required to produce speech. So, anybody know what makes such a radical difference? I know this isn't directly Linux related, but I figured a lot of the list members have been using computers for a long time and might know what makes the difference or where I may find such information. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting a bit of trivia I found interesting Adam Myrow @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Adam Myrow ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Actually, I personally think that the accent sounds like crap, and the bns sounds wonderful. Whenever I listen to the accent, I can't help the notion that it is better suited for speaking French instead of English. I have known for a while that the bns used the si 263 chip. I had also suspected that the accent used the same speech chip as the bns because of how they both sounded on head phones, but wasn't absolutely sure. What I think makes the difference is how the chip is controlled by the software. Greg On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 07:55:53PM -0600, Adam Myrow wrote: > I was just looking through files on my computer and stumbled over a README > file from an old shareware DOS screen reader called TinyTalk. The part > that I found interesting is that it listed several synthesizers that > existed around 1994 and what chipset they used. It mentioned that the > Braille 'N Speak line as well as the Accent line both use a chip called > the SSI263. I found this interesting because the Braille 'N Speak sounds > like crap, has terrible pronunciation, and practically no inflection. > The Accent still sounds very mechanical, but has a lot more inflection, > and its pronunciation is 10 times better than the Braille 'N Speak line. > Apparently, this chipset wasn't the only piece required to produce speech. > So, anybody know what makes such a radical difference? I know this isn't > directly Linux related, but I figured a lot of the list members have been > using computers for a long time and might know what makes the difference > or where I may find such information. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Adam Myrow ` Dave Hunt ` (2 more replies) ` Alex Snow ` a bit of trivia I found interesting Glenn Ervin 2 siblings, 3 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Adam Myrow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I think you are the first person I have ever heard who actually likes the BNS's speech. I agree that the Accent lives up to its name in that it actually has an accent. However, try typing the following words into each synthesizer and see the difference in how well they are pronounced. Pirate Garage baseball awhile Phoenix. I prefer words to be pronounced correctly without having to create tons of exceptions in my dictionary. Speaking of synthesizers with accents, did you ever hear the original Dectalk? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Adam Myrow @ ` Dave Hunt ` Glenn Ervin ` Janina Sajka ` Gregory Nowak ` Glenn Ervin 2 siblings, 2 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Dave Hunt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I have heard that DEC founder (Ken Olsen) was the model for dectalk. Truth or yet another urban legend?:) -Dave ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Dave Hunt @ ` Glenn Ervin ` Dave Hunt ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Glenn Ervin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Given the small percentage of Blind folks to the number of sighted, I'd call this a rural legend, rather than an urban legend. Haw! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Hunt" <dave.hunt2@verizon.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:16 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting I have heard that DEC founder (Ken Olsen) was the model for dectalk. Truth or yet another urban legend?:) -Dave _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Glenn Ervin @ ` Dave Hunt ` shaun_oliver 0 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Dave Hunt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Ok, so, it's rural:). Hee Haw, -Dave Glenn Ervin writes: > Given the small percentage of Blind folks to the number of sighted, I'd call > this a rural legend, rather than an urban legend. Haw! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Dave Hunt @ ` shaun_oliver 0 siblings, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: shaun_oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 09:10:24PM -0500, Dave Hunt wrote: > Ok, so, it's rural:). > > Hee Haw, > > -Dave > > Glenn Ervin writes: > > Given the small percentage of Blind folks to the number of sighted, I'd call > > this a rural legend, rather than an urban legend. Haw! > ok then, rather than going off and srpouting legeond, let's have some facts to mull over. http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~slemmett/dippa/chap2.html this site should give you a farely comprehensive overview of the history and developement of speech synthesis with some sound grabs to boot. I used it not long ago for an assignment task. hth > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Shaun Oliver A plethora of individuals with expertise in culinary techniques contaminate the potable concoction produced by steeping certain edible nutriments. email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435 yahoo: blindman01_2000 MSN: blindman_2001@hotmail.com IRC: irc.angeleyez.net IRC NICK: blindman ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Dave Hunt ` Glenn Ervin @ ` Janina Sajka ` shaun_oliver ` ccrawford 1 sibling, 2 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Dave Hunt writes: > > I have heard that DEC founder (Ken Olsen) was the model for dectalk. > Truth or yet another urban legend?:) > The DEC Talk's inventor was Dr. Dennis Klatt. He would place radioactive pellets in the back of his moth and X-|ray himself speaking in order to better understand the formation of speech. From this he was able to model a synthesizer. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, it cost him his life from throat cancer. Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Janina Sajka @ ` shaun_oliver ` ccrawford 1 sibling, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: shaun_oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup hi janina, that url I provided yesterday didn't go into that mucy detail but it did state that he was the father if you will of dec-talk. -- Shaun Oliver A plethora of individuals with expertise in culinary techniques contaminate the potable concoction produced by steeping certain edible nutriments. email: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435 yahoo: blindman01_2000 MSN: blindman_2001@hotmail.com IRC: irc.angeleyez.net IRC NICK: blindman ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Janina Sajka ` shaun_oliver @ ` ccrawford ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: ccrawford @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I did not know that. How wierd. - charlie Crawford. On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > Dave Hunt writes: > > > > I have heard that DEC founder (Ken Olsen) was the model for dectalk. > > Truth or yet another urban legend?:) > > > The DEC Talk's inventor was Dr. Dennis Klatt. He would place radioactive > pellets in the back of his moth and X-|ray himself speaking in order to > better understand the formation of speech. From this he was able to > model a synthesizer. > > > Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, it cost him his life from throat > cancer. > > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` ccrawford @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Well, and I think he was fully aware of the price he was paying. I would be surprised if he wasn't. Very strange, but not unprecedented. Some people have such profound dedication to the cause they hold dear that they really will put their lives on the line. Of course, soldiers do that, as do police and fire fighters. Here we have it in science. I believe Madam Currie is another example. I'm not sure that it was a consequence she was aware of, however, as radium was the thing she discovered. Charles Crawford writes: > From: ccrawford@acb.org > > I did not know that. How wierd. > > - charlie Crawford. > > > On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > Dave Hunt writes: > > > > > > I have heard that DEC founder (Ken Olsen) was the model for dectalk. > > > Truth or yet another urban legend?:) > > > > > The DEC Talk's inventor was Dr. Dennis Klatt. He would place radioactive > > pellets in the back of his moth and X-|ray himself speaking in order to > > better understand the formation of speech. From this he was able to > > model a synthesizer. > > > > > > Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, it cost him his life from throat > > cancer. > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Adam Myrow ` Dave Hunt @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Dave Hunt ` Glenn Ervin 2 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I was thinking of the accents on words, and not the pronunciation. I guess what you and I like about speech is opposite. Improper accents in speech bother me a lot more then incorrect pronunciation of words. As for hearing the original dectalk, can't say that I've ever heard one. Greg On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:09:58PM -0600, Adam Myrow wrote: > I think you are the first person I have ever heard who actually likes the > BNS's speech. I agree that the Accent lives up to its name in that it > actually has an accent. However, try typing the following words into each > synthesizer and see the difference in how well they are pronounced. > Pirate > Garage > baseball > awhile > Phoenix. > > I prefer words to be pronounced correctly without having to create tons of > exceptions in my dictionary. Speaking of synthesizers with accents, did > you ever hear the original Dectalk? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Dave Hunt 0 siblings, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Dave Hunt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I'll try Adam's "magic" words in my BNS and see how they're pronounced. I tried them in my Linux software speech engines (viavoice outloud, and flite), and I'd much rather hear outloud saying them. --Dave Gregory Nowak writes: <snip> > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 09:09:58PM -0600, Adam Myrow wrote: > > Pirate > > Garage > > baseball > > awhile > > Phoenix. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Adam Myrow ` Dave Hunt ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Glenn Ervin 2 siblings, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Glenn Ervin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I have heard that people with hearing loss often like the sound of the BNS, but personally, I don't like its sound. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Myrow" <amyrow@midsouth.rr.com> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting I think you are the first person I have ever heard who actually likes the BNS's speech. I agree that the Accent lives up to its name in that it actually has an accent. However, try typing the following words into each synthesizer and see the difference in how well they are pronounced. Pirate Garage baseball awhile Phoenix. I prefer words to be pronounced correctly without having to create tons of exceptions in my dictionary. Speaking of synthesizers with accents, did you ever hear the original Dectalk? _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Gregory Nowak ` Adam Myrow @ ` Alex Snow ` a bit of trivia I found interesting and now Alex's situation Frank Carmickle ` a bit of trivia I found interesting Glenn Ervin 2 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Ac! I hate the bns's speach. I don't even use ti anymore now that I have a blt. Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm sick of Winblows! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 9:49 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting > Actually, I personally think that the accent sounds like crap, and the bns sounds wonderful. Whenever I listen to the accent, I can't help the notion that it is better suited for speaking French instead of English. > > I have known for a while that the bns used the si 263 chip. I had also suspected that the accent used the same speech chip as the bns because of how they both sounded on head phones, but wasn't absolutely sure. > > What I think makes the difference is how the chip is controlled by the software. > > Greg > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 07:55:53PM -0600, Adam Myrow wrote: > > I was just looking through files on my computer and stumbled over a README > > file from an old shareware DOS screen reader called TinyTalk. The part > > that I found interesting is that it listed several synthesizers that > > existed around 1994 and what chipset they used. It mentioned that the > > Braille 'N Speak line as well as the Accent line both use a chip called > > the SSI263. I found this interesting because the Braille 'N Speak sounds > > like crap, has terrible pronunciation, and practically no inflection. > > The Accent still sounds very mechanical, but has a lot more inflection, > > and its pronunciation is 10 times better than the Braille 'N Speak line. > > Apparently, this chipset wasn't the only piece required to produce speech. > > So, anybody know what makes such a radical difference? I know this isn't > > directly Linux related, but I figured a lot of the list members have been > > using computers for a long time and might know what makes the difference > > or where I may find such information. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting and now Alex's situation ` Alex Snow @ ` Frank Carmickle ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Frank Carmickle @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Alex Snow wrote: > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm > sick of Winblows! So what's holding you back from leaving the dark side? --FC ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting and now Alex's situation ` a bit of trivia I found interesting and now Alex's situation Frank Carmickle @ ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Awaiting some parts for my linux machine. I had it running for a little while then some of the ram went. It uses 72 pin simms which I don't have any over 4 mb here. Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm sick of Winblows! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Carmickle" <frankiec@braille.uwo.ca> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 2:29 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting and now Alex's situation > On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Alex Snow wrote: > > > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm > > sick of Winblows! > > So what's holding you back from leaving the dark side? > > --FC > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Gregory Nowak ` Adam Myrow ` Alex Snow @ ` Glenn Ervin ` Gregory Nowak 2 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Glenn Ervin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I wish someone would create a Linux kernel for the BNS, as I do not like its OS too much, and there are no drivers for external devices other than what FS sells, like their over priced disk drives. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:49 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting Actually, I personally think that the accent sounds like crap, and the bns sounds wonderful. Whenever I listen to the accent, I can't help the notion that it is better suited for speaking French instead of English. I have known for a while that the bns used the si 263 chip. I had also suspected that the accent used the same speech chip as the bns because of how they both sounded on head phones, but wasn't absolutely sure. What I think makes the difference is how the chip is controlled by the software. Greg On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 07:55:53PM -0600, Adam Myrow wrote: > I was just looking through files on my computer and stumbled over a README > file from an old shareware DOS screen reader called TinyTalk. The part > that I found interesting is that it listed several synthesizers that > existed around 1994 and what chipset they used. It mentioned that the > Braille 'N Speak line as well as the Accent line both use a chip called > the SSI263. I found this interesting because the Braille 'N Speak sounds > like crap, has terrible pronunciation, and practically no inflection. > The Accent still sounds very mechanical, but has a lot more inflection, > and its pronunciation is 10 times better than the Braille 'N Speak line. > Apparently, this chipset wasn't the only piece required to produce speech. > So, anybody know what makes such a radical difference? I know this isn't > directly Linux related, but I figured a lot of the list members have been > using computers for a long time and might know what makes the difference > or where I may find such information. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` a bit of trivia I found interesting Glenn Ervin @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Glenn Ervin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup If you have ideas on how to port linux to an 8-bit z80 processor and make it so that it would declare everything statically inside of itself (since the bns programs have no access to external memory), I'd be interested to hear about it. Greg On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 07:15:44PM -0600, Glenn Ervin wrote: > I wish someone would create a Linux kernel for the BNS, as I do not like > its OS too much, and there are no drivers for external devices other > than what FS sells, like their over priced disk drives. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:49 PM > Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting > > > Actually, I personally think that the accent sounds like crap, and the bns > sounds wonderful. Whenever I listen to the accent, I can't help the notion > that it is better suited for speaking French instead of English. > > I have known for a while that the bns used the si 263 chip. I had also > suspected that the accent used the same speech chip as the bns because of > how they both sounded on head phones, but wasn't absolutely sure. > > What I think makes the difference is how the chip is controlled by the > software. > > Greg > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 07:55:53PM -0600, Adam Myrow wrote: > > I was just looking through files on my computer and stumbled over a README > > file from an old shareware DOS screen reader called TinyTalk. The part > > that I found interesting is that it listed several synthesizers that > > existed around 1994 and what chipset they used. It mentioned that the > > Braille 'N Speak line as well as the Accent line both use a chip called > > the SSI263. I found this interesting because the Braille 'N Speak sounds > > like crap, has terrible pronunciation, and practically no inflection. > > The Accent still sounds very mechanical, but has a lot more inflection, > > and its pronunciation is 10 times better than the Braille 'N Speak line. > > Apparently, this chipset wasn't the only piece required to produce speech. > > So, anybody know what makes such a radical difference? I know this isn't > > directly Linux related, but I figured a lot of the list members have been > > using computers for a long time and might know what makes the difference > > or where I may find such information. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Glenn Ervin ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Glenn Ervin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I think someone with a room chip burner might have to re-program the chip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting If you have ideas on how to port linux to an 8-bit z80 processor and make it so that it would declare everything statically inside of itself (since the bns programs have no access to external memory), I'd be interested to hear about it. Greg On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 07:15:44PM -0600, Glenn Ervin wrote: > I wish someone would create a Linux kernel for the BNS, as I do not like > its OS too much, and there are no drivers for external devices other > than what FS sells, like their over priced disk drives. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 8:49 PM > Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting > > > Actually, I personally think that the accent sounds like crap, and the bns > sounds wonderful. Whenever I listen to the accent, I can't help the notion > that it is better suited for speaking French instead of English. > > I have known for a while that the bns used the si 263 chip. I had also > suspected that the accent used the same speech chip as the bns because of > how they both sounded on head phones, but wasn't absolutely sure. > > What I think makes the difference is how the chip is controlled by the > software. > > Greg > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 07:55:53PM -0600, Adam Myrow wrote: > > I was just looking through files on my computer and stumbled over a README > > file from an old shareware DOS screen reader called TinyTalk. The part > > that I found interesting is that it listed several synthesizers that > > existed around 1994 and what chipset they used. It mentioned that the > > Braille 'N Speak line as well as the Accent line both use a chip called > > the SSI263. I found this interesting because the Braille 'N Speak sounds > > like crap, has terrible pronunciation, and practically no inflection. > > The Accent still sounds very mechanical, but has a lot more inflection, > > and its pronunciation is 10 times better than the Braille 'N Speak line. > > Apparently, this chipset wasn't the only piece required to produce speech. > > So, anybody know what makes such a radical difference? I know this isn't > > directly Linux related, but I figured a lot of the list members have been > > using computers for a long time and might know what makes the difference > > or where I may find such information. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Glenn Ervin @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Patrick Turnage 0 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Once you've got the kernel ported, reprogramming that chip is going to be the easy part compared to everything else. Greg On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 08:27:44PM -0600, Glenn Ervin wrote: > I think someone with a room chip burner might have to re-program the chip. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Patrick Turnage ` Gregory Nowak ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 2 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Patrick Turnage @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi If we are talkingabout the BNS we could talk about the BrailleNote which has a better chance of being ported to a Linux OS than the BNS since the processor and modem and things like thatare supported by the kernel. ----- Patrick Turnage E-mail: pturnage@tampabay.rr.com AOL Instant Messenger: kg4dqk Home Page: http://www.access-connect.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Patrick Turnage @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Alex Snow 1 sibling, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Yes, that's true. In fact, I think I remember there was a brief discussion about that here a while ago. Greg On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 10:39:14PM -0500, Patrick Turnage wrote: > Hi > If we are talkingabout the BNS we could talk about the BrailleNote which > has a better chance of being ported to a Linux OS than the BNS since the > processor and modem and things like thatare supported by the kernel. > > > ----- > Patrick Turnage > E-mail: pturnage@tampabay.rr.com > AOL Instant Messenger: kg4dqk > Home Page: > http://www.access-connect.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Patrick Turnage ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Alex Snow ` Erik Heil ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup What processor does the braillenote use anyways? Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm sick of Winblows! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Turnage" <patrickt@tampabay.rr.com> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting > Hi > If we are talkingabout the BNS we could talk about the BrailleNote which > has a better chance of being ported to a Linux OS than the BNS since the > processor and modem and things like thatare supported by the kernel. > > > ----- > Patrick Turnage > E-mail: pturnage@tampabay.rr.com > AOL Instant Messenger: kg4dqk > Home Page: > http://www.access-connect.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Alex Snow @ ` Erik Heil ` Patrick Turnage ` Gregory Nowak 2 siblings, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Erik Heil @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hey Alex. I'm not sure, but I believe it may run some flavor of an Intel processor. Then again it may be MIPS-based. i.e. CruSO, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 6:30 AM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting > What processor does the braillenote use anyways? > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm > sick of Winblows! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Turnage" <patrickt@tampabay.rr.com> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:39 PM > Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting > > > > Hi > > If we are talkingabout the BNS we could talk about the BrailleNote which > > has a better chance of being ported to a Linux OS than the BNS since the > > processor and modem and things like thatare supported by the kernel. > > > > > > ----- > > Patrick Turnage > > E-mail: pturnage@tampabay.rr.com > > AOL Instant Messenger: kg4dqk > > Home Page: > > http://www.access-connect.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Alex Snow ` Erik Heil @ ` Patrick Turnage ` Janina Sajka ` Gregory Nowak 2 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Patrick Turnage @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi I think it is the strongarm processor. I had some technical specifications somewhere but now I can't find them. The LDP has a whole howto for getting the modem to work with Linux. In the new motherboards they moved to a hardware modem too instead of the software modem they used in the previous version. I don'tk now what more they have, what kind of flahs memory they use, what type of sound chip, etc.. I do kknow that some people from this list wwere going to play with it but Pulsedata never sent the test machines to whoever it was.. If they were going to use speakup they would have to use a different synthesizer since the keynote in the BrailleNote is the windows CE equivlent of keynote multimedia. I was thinking something along the lines of emacspeak with viavoice or flite. ----- Patrick Turnage E-mail: pturnage@tampabay.rr.com AOL Instant Messenger: kg4dqk Home Page: http://www.access-connect.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Patrick Turnage @ ` Janina Sajka ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup We believe the chip in the Braille Note is the NEC VR41xx. Several of us joined in a project to port Linux to the Braille Note this time last year. We were unsuccessful when Pulse-Data would not supply units for us to work with. That's the real issue--one would need to be able to take the risk on blowing away a few Braille Note boards, and especially the flash roms, before one got it right. That would be costly to most of us, myself included. -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Janina Sajka @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Yes, and the interesting part is that a few of us on the braillenote list have been asking for a port of linux with no response from pdi. I had also asked during Humanware's chat sessions what was the reasoning for going with windows ce, and the response was because it's a "mainstream operating system". Greg On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 11:24:16AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > We believe the chip in the Braille Note is the NEC VR41xx. > > Several of us joined in a project to port Linux to the Braille Note this > time last year. We were unsuccessful when Pulse-Data would not supply > units for us to work with. > > That's the real issue--one would need to be able to take the risk on > blowing away a few Braille Note boards, and especially the flash roms, > before one got it right. That would be costly to most of us, myself > included. > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Alex Snow ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Yeah I don't see why they think that's a good excuse. It can't run regular windows ce software anyways from what I've heard. Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm sick of Winblows! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting > Yes, and the interesting part is that a few of us on the braillenote list have been asking for a port of linux with no response from pdi. > > I had also asked during Humanware's chat sessions what was the reasoning for going with windows ce, and the response was because it's a "mainstream operating system". > > Greg > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 11:24:16AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > > We believe the chip in the Braille Note is the NEC VR41xx. > > > > Several of us joined in a project to port Linux to the Braille Note this > > time last year. We were unsuccessful when Pulse-Data would not supply > > units for us to work with. > > > > That's the real issue--one would need to be able to take the risk on > > blowing away a few Braille Note boards, and especially the flash roms, > > before one got it right. That would be costly to most of us, myself > > included. > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Alex Snow @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Yes, that's correct. The only windows ce applications it can run would be those which don't directly ask the user for input, or display output (I.E. command-line only driven programs). This is because the braille display and speech aren't registered as output devices directly in win ce. Also, since they ported keysoft from DOS to win ce, they could probably just as easily have ported it to the linux kernel. Greg On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 12:53:54PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > Yeah I don't see why they think that's a good excuse. It can't run regular > windows ce software anyways from what I've heard. > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm > sick of Winblows! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup The moral of the story, imho, don't buy their products and tell everyone else not to. Gregory Nowak writes: > From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> > > Yes, that's correct. The only windows ce applications it can run would be those which don't directly ask the user for input, or display output (I.E. command-line only driven programs). This is because the braille display and speech aren't registered as output devices directly in win ce. > > Also, since they ported keysoft from DOS to win ce, they could probably just as easily have ported it to the linux kernel. > > Greg > > > On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 12:53:54PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > > Yeah I don't see why they think that's a good excuse. It can't run regular > > windows ce software anyways from what I've heard. > > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm > > sick of Winblows! > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Alex Snow ` Erik Heil ` Patrick Turnage @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Alex Snow 2 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Al from Humanware had told me during one of their hosted chat sessions that it's a nec 133 Mhz. Greg On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 06:30:00AM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > What processor does the braillenote use anyways? > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm > sick of Winblows! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Alex Snow ` Gregory Nowak ` Buddy Brannan 0 siblings, 2 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I guess taht's better than the bns which uses the cp/m processor I've herd. Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm sick of Winblows! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting > Al from Humanware had told me during one of their hosted chat sessions that it's a nec 133 Mhz. > > Greg > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 06:30:00AM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > > What processor does the braillenote use anyways? > > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm > > sick of Winblows! > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Alex Snow @ ` Gregory Nowak ` kaare ` (2 more replies) ` Buddy Brannan 1 sibling, 3 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup The bns uses the z80 processor. I don't know if that's a cp/m processor as you put it or not. Greg On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 02:26:57PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > I guess taht's better than the bns which uses the cp/m processor I've herd. > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm > sick of Winblows! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Gregory Nowak @ ` kaare ` dashielljt ` Gregory Nowak ` Alex Snow ` Richard Villa 2 siblings, 2 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: kaare @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup that was the original cp/m processor. accept for bns hasn't been used extensively since the early 80s. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting > The bns uses the z80 processor. I don't know if that's a cp/m processor as you put it or not. > > Greg > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 02:26:57PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > > I guess taht's better than the bns which uses the cp/m processor I've herd. > > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm > > sick of Winblows! > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` kaare @ ` dashielljt ` Gregory Nowak 1 sibling, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: dashielljt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup The z80 was the second CP/M processor; the 8080 was the first. Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` kaare ` dashielljt @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Richard Villa 1 sibling, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hmmm, interesting. Does anyone know for a fact if the bns os is in fact cp/m, or is it Blazie's proprietary os? Greg On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 02:59:20PM -0500, kaare wrote: > that was the original cp/m processor. accept for bns hasn't been used > extensively since the early 80s. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Richard Villa 0 siblings, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Richard Villa @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I guess that you would have to ask Wayne Thomson who developed the software for the pocket Braille, on which the BNS is based. Richard If you are going to burn all of your bridges, you better be able to walk on water. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting > Hmmm, interesting. > > Does anyone know for a fact if the bns os is in fact cp/m, or is it Blazie's proprietary os? > > Greg > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 02:59:20PM -0500, kaare wrote: > > that was the original cp/m processor. accept for bns hasn't been used > > extensively since the early 80s. > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Gregory Nowak ` kaare @ ` Alex Snow ` Richard Villa 2 siblings, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup That's what I was told a while ago, taht it used the cp/m processor. I think the person ment the z80. Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm sick of Winblows! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting > The bns uses the z80 processor. I don't know if that's a cp/m processor as you put it or not. > > Greg > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 02:26:57PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > > I guess taht's better than the bns which uses the cp/m processor I've herd. > > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm > > sick of Winblows! > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Gregory Nowak ` kaare ` Alex Snow @ ` Richard Villa ` dashielljt 2 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Richard Villa @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup The Z80 is a CPM processor. That was the processor in the TRS80. Richard If you are going to burn all of your bridges, you better be able to walk on water. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:44 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting > The bns uses the z80 processor. I don't know if that's a cp/m processor as you put it or not. > > Greg > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 02:26:57PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > > I guess taht's better than the bns which uses the cp/m processor I've herd. > > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm > > sick of Winblows! > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Richard Villa @ ` dashielljt ` Chuck Hallenbeck 0 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: dashielljt @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup If a Z80 processor is a CP/M processor, will someone please explain why whenever anyone uses a CP/M operating system the operating system has to be loaded from a floppy or hard drive? Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` dashielljt @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 1 reply; 44+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup There were versions of CP/M for a number of early processors, including the Intel 8080, the Zilog Z80, and the Motorola 68000, plus probably some others. Each of those processors also supported other operating systems as well, though none of them was a popular as CP/M, which stood for "Control Program for Microprocessors." On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, dashielljt wrote: > If a Z80 processor is a CP/M processor, will someone please explain why > whenever anyone uses a CP/M operating system the operating system has to > be loaded from a floppy or hard drive? > > Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- The Moon is Waning Gibbous (99% of Full) So visit me sometime at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup And if you got the z80 card for an apple II you could run cp/m on the apple. Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm sick of Winblows! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hallenbeck" <chuckh@mhonline.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting > There were versions of CP/M for a number of early processors, > including the Intel 8080, the Zilog Z80, and the Motorola 68000, > plus probably some others. Each of those processors also > supported other operating systems as well, though none of them > was a popular as CP/M, which stood for "Control Program for > Microprocessors." > > On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, dashielljt wrote: > > > If a Z80 processor is a CP/M processor, will someone please explain why > > whenever anyone uses a CP/M operating system the operating system has to > > be loaded from a floppy or hard drive? > > > > Jude <dashielljt(at)gmpexpress-dot-net> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > The Moon is Waning Gibbous (99% of Full) > So visit me sometime at http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
* Re: a bit of trivia I found interesting ` Alex Snow ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Buddy Brannan 1 sibling, 0 replies; 44+ messages in thread From: Buddy Brannan @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 02:26:57PM -0500, Alex Snow wrote: > I guess taht's better than the bns which uses the cp/m processor I've herd. The things people hear (and worse) say, astounds me. There is no such thing as a CP/M processor. CP/M was an operating system, something like (though not the same as) DOS. It ran quite a lot of Z80-based machines and was also available for 8088/8086 processors as well, and gods know what else. It did quite a lot with 64K. I have a friend who still owns several machines that run CP/M (including, I believe, at least one with eight-inch floppy drives). Whether or not the BNS runs CP/M is sort-of irrelevant though. No reason it isn't, like DOS, a useful tool for certain tasks, even in our modern massive computing environments. But of course, if you need more, you'll likely also need more processor. (I don't recall what Kirk told me the BNS runs on though.) -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV/3 | And if the ground yawned, Phone: (814) 455-7333 | I'd step to the side and say, Email: davros@ycardz.com | "Hey ground! I'm nobody's lunch!" | --Eddie From Ohio ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 44+ messages in thread
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