* what linux should I use?
@ Juan Hernandez
` Sandi Sørensen
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Juan Hernandez @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
sHello,
I am wondering what distro of linux should I use? I've used redhat, mandrake, slackware and a few other distros, and I've been out of the linux world for a while. Tnx in advanced.
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* Re: what linux should I use?
what linux should I use? Juan Hernandez
@ ` Sandi Sørensen
` Tom and Esther Ward
` Joseph C. Lininger
2 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Sandi Sørensen @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Juan Hernandez wrote:
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 23:12:58 -0800
> From: Juan Hernandez <juan@labradorable.net>
> Reply-To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> To: speakup <Speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Subject: what linux should I use?
>
> sHello,
>
> I am wondering what distro of linux should I use? I've used redhat, mandrake, slackware and a few other distros, and I've been out of the linux world for a while. Tnx in advanced.
Well i would say knoppix but it's up 2 you :))
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
/Sandi
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* Re: what linux should I use?
what linux should I use? Juan Hernandez
` Sandi Sørensen
@ ` Tom and Esther Ward
` Joseph C. Lininger
2 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Tom and Esther Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi, Juan.
When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what features
you are looking for in a distro.
For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good hardware
plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive without
partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the distro
of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out of the
box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the speakup ftp
site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can not
order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a major
turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional technical
support which does not help sell to a business.
So really that is my two suggestions.
Hth.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Hernandez" <juan@labradorable.net>
To: "speakup" <Speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 2:12 AM
Subject: what linux should I use?
sHello,
I am wondering what distro of linux should I use? I've used redhat,
mandrake, slackware and a few other distros, and I've been out of the linux
world for a while. Tnx in advanced.
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: what linux should I use?
what linux should I use? Juan Hernandez
` Sandi Sørensen
` Tom and Esther Ward
@ ` Joseph C. Lininger
2 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Joseph C. Lininger @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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Well now, that depends on a couple of things.
1. What are you planning to use Linux for? Desk, server, etc.
2. How experienced are you with Linux?
3. Do you prefur to have the system do things for you, or do you want
to get your hands durty and do it yourself?
- ---
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Hernandez" <juan@labradorable.net>
To: "speakup" <Speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 12:12 AM
Subject: what linux should I use?
sHello,
I am wondering what distro of linux should I use? I've used
redhat, mandrake, slackware and a few other distros, and I've been
out of the linux world for a while. Tnx in advanced.
_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: what linux should I use?
Gregory Nowak
@ ` Joseph C. Lininger
0 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Joseph C. Lininger @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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I'll give it a try Greg. Thanks for the tip.
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Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net
> >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> ><speakup@braille.uwo.ca Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:57:31 -0700
> >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> I personally prefur Norton Ghost for this procedure, but of
> >course it's up to you.
>
>
> Why use Norton Ghost if partition image
> http://www.partimage.org
> can do the same job, and it's under the GPL, which Norton Ghost is
> obviously not?
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` alex stone
` Tom and Esther Ward
@ ` Joseph C. Lininger
1 sibling, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Joseph C. Lininger @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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http://www.mandrake.org
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Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> Where would I find Mandrake?
> Cheers.
> Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 5:59 AM
> Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > Hi, to my knolege Slackware can not be directly installed to a
> > NTFS file system. However, Mandrake 9.2 has that ability which is
> > one of the reasons
> I
> > use Mandrake 9.2 currently.
> > However, I've not made any speakup enabled cd images yet so you'd
> > have to get some initial sighted assistence to get Mandrake going
> > before adding in speech.
> > I've got Windows XP Pro and Mandrake 9.2 installed on the same
> > partition, and it works well.
> > However, if you are looking with a distro with speakup out of the
> > box
> you'll
> > have to go with Fedora, Slackware, or another distrobution and
> > repartition your drive.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 1:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> >
> > > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does
> > > it
> require
> > > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be
> > > installed on
> an
> > XP
> > > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > > Cheers.
> > > Alex
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock
> > > > CD-ROMS
> > out
> > > of the box, go for slackware.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > >
> > > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account
> > > > >what
> > features
> > > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro
> > > > >with good
> > > hardware
> > > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a
> > > > >Windows drive
> > > without
> > > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might
> > > > >be the
> > > distro
> > > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install
> > > > >right out
> > of
> > > the
> > > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking
> > > > >install, speakup included, and accessibility right out of
> > > > >the box Fedora on the
> speakup
> > > ftp
> > > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the
> > > > >fact I can
> not
> > > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing
> > > > >which is a
> > > major
> > > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any
> > > > >profetional
> technical
> > > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > > >Hth.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` alex stone
` Janina Sajka
` Alex Snow
@ ` Joseph C. Lininger
2 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Joseph C. Lininger @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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Try this web site:
http://www.fsf.org
- ---
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> Alex, Where would I get partit from?
> Cheers.
> Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > nope...nothing is going to run on ntfs. I don't think the kernel
> > support for that is complete.
> >
> > I 'borrowed' a copy of partition magic from someone and it's a
> > really good program. wouldnt pay for it though. have you looked
> > at partit? On
> > Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:31:11PM -0000, alex stone wrote:
> > > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does
> > > it
> require
> > > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be
> > > installed on
> an XP
> > > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > > Cheers.
> > > Alex
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock
> > > > CD-ROMS
> out
> > > of the box, go for slackware.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > >
> > > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account
> > > > >what
> features
> > > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro
> > > > >with good
> > > hardware
> > > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a
> > > > >Windows drive
> > > without
> > > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might
> > > > >be the
> > > distro
> > > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install
> > > > >right out
> of
> > > the
> > > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking
> > > > >install, speakup included, and accessibility right out of
> > > > >the box Fedora on the
> speakup
> > > ftp
> > > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the
> > > > >fact I can
> not
> > > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing
> > > > >which is a
> > > major
> > > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any
> > > > >profetional
> technical
> > > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > > >Hth.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > --
> > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be
> > paid back.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Joseph C. Lininger
0 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Joseph C. Lininger @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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Actually there is an ntfs read-only driver in the kernel.org source.
This driver also supports writing ntfs volumes. However, it's
considered experimental and very dangerous. It can and will trash
ntfs partitions if you use the driver from kernel.org. Can't say
anything about the support in mandrake because I've never used it.
Oh, and one more thing. IN order to even get the option from the
kernel.org kernels, you must enable the "prompt for development
and/or incomplete code" option.
- ---
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> No question that it's a kernel module. But, you won't get it in the
> configs from kernel.org.
>
> Thomas Stivers writes:
> > From: Thomas Stivers <stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org>
> >
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> > On 12/27/03 10:01 AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > It can't possibly be in the stock kernels because the Linux
> > > kernel is licensed as GPL, and NTFS is the private property of
> > > Microsoft.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` Jacob Schmude
@ ` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Jacob Schmude writes:
> From: "Jacob Schmude" <jschmude@adelphia.net>
>
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> Hi
> Hmm. Well, if I remember correctly, the stock kernel NTFS has a very buggy write support, which can't write to NTFS partitions created under win2k or winxp.
> Can mandrake write to these partitions? If so, then they've obviously beafed up the NTFS support, either internally or via a patch. If mandrake can write to ntfs
> 2k and xp partitions,
How is that obvious? Just because it's there?
Hey, don't buy any land! <grin>
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` Tom and Esther Ward
@ ` Jacob Schmude
` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: Jacob Schmude @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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Hi
Hmm. Well, if I remember correctly, the stock kernel NTFS has a very buggy write support, which can't write to NTFS partitions created under win2k or winxp.
Can mandrake write to these partitions? If so, then they've obviously beafed up the NTFS support, either internally or via a patch. If mandrake can write to ntfs
2k and xp partitions, I might just have to go grab the mandrake kernel srpm and see if it's a patch that I can take advantage of in fedora.
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:14:40 -0500, Tom and Esther Ward wrote:
>Mandrake has it compiled directly into there stock kernel. I suppose other
>distros feels the support is to unstable to build it in, but Mandrake did.
>They bit the bullet, and added it in which was nice that they did.
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` alex stone
@ ` Tom and Esther Ward
` Joseph C. Lininger
1 sibling, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Tom and Esther Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi, Mandrake has a list of http and ftp download sites on:
http://www.mandrakelinux.com
Note, none of the Mandrake isos have speakup in them, and I don't know when
I'll be able to get around to creating speakup kernel rpms for Drake.
I've been rather busy of late, but I do hope to work on it sometime next
month.
Hth.
----- Original Message -----
From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> Where would I find Mandrake?
> Cheers.
> Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 5:59 AM
> Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > Hi, to my knolege Slackware can not be directly installed to a NTFS file
> > system. However, Mandrake 9.2 has that ability which is one of the
reasons
> I
> > use Mandrake 9.2 currently.
> > However, I've not made any speakup enabled cd images yet so you'd have
to
> > get some initial sighted assistence to get Mandrake going before adding
in
> > speech.
> > I've got Windows XP Pro and Mandrake 9.2 installed on the same
partition,
> > and it works well.
> > However, if you are looking with a distro with speakup out of the box
> you'll
> > have to go with Fedora, Slackware, or another distrobution and
repartition
> > your drive.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 1:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> >
> > > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
> require
> > > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on
> an
> > XP
> > > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > > Cheers.
> > > Alex
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock
CD-ROMS
> > out
> > > of the box, go for slackware.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > >
> > > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
> > features
> > > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> > > hardware
> > > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> > > without
> > > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> > > distro
> > > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right
out
> > of
> > > the
> > > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install,
speakup
> > > > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the
> speakup
> > > ftp
> > > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can
> not
> > > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is
a
> > > major
> > > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
> technical
> > > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > > >Hth.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` Alex Snow
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Tom and Esther Ward
` Jacob Schmude
1 sibling, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: Tom and Esther Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Mandrake has it compiled directly into there stock kernel. I suppose other
distros feels the support is to unstable to build it in, but Mandrake did.
They bit the bullet, and added it in which was nice that they did.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> is this support in the stock kernel sources or does it need to be
> patched in?
> On
> Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 01:08:14AM -0500, Tom and Esther Ward wrote:
> > Actually, Mandrake 9.2 is already reading and writing to NTFS file
systems.
> > It also will run on NTFS. However, there are many other distros yet that
do
> > not have this support.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 5:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> >
> > > nope...nothing is going to run on ntfs. I don't think the kernel
> > > support for that is complete.
> > >
> > > I 'borrowed' a copy of partition magic from someone and it's a really
> > > good program. wouldnt pay for it though. have you looked at partit?
> > > On
> > > Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:31:11PM -0000, alex stone wrote:
> > > > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
> > require
> > > > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed
on
> > an XP
> > > > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > > > Cheers.
> > > > Alex
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock
CD-ROMS
> > out
> > > > of the box, go for slackware.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > > > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > > >
> > > > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
> > features
> > > > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with
good
> > > > hardware
> > > > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows
drive
> > > > without
> > > > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be
the
> > > > distro
> > > > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right
out
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install,
speakup
> > > > > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the
> > speakup
> > > > ftp
> > > > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I
can
> > not
> > > > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which
is a
> > > > major
> > > > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
> > technical
> > > > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > > > >Hth.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > --
> > > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> > > back.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
> Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> back.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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* Re: what linux should I use?
Gregory Nowak
@ ` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
But the specs for these are freely published, whereas they aren't for
NTFS.
Gregory Nowak writes:
> From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
>
> Oh really? I thought that fat/fat32 was also Microsoft's property, yet support for both happens to be in the stock Linux kernel.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net
> >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:01:59 -0500
> >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
> >It can't possibly be in the stock kernels because the Linux kernel is
> >licensed as GPL, and NTFS is the private property of Microsoft.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
--
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net
Phone: (202) 408-8175
Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org
Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org
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* Re: what linux should I use?
Gregory Nowak
@ ` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Yeah, nothing wrong with any of this, except that the consumer should be
advised on the subject in advance. I should think it's only right to do
that.
Gregory Nowak writes:
> From: Gregory Nowak <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
>
> Naturally, everything under the sun can't be included in zipslack, because then it would be too big. Also, if you find that zipslack is missing things that you need, there is nothing stopping you from installing the extra needed slackware packages.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net
> >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:50:46 -0500
> >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
> >I'd use bigslack if I were you.
> >I tried zipslack on my windows box a few months ago just to see what
> >it was like and I was surprised at what was missing. supposedly
> >bigslack has everything you need...but is that still developed?
> >if you're looking for a live linux cd that's easy to use just grab
> >installation disk 2 of the slackware set.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
--
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net
Phone: (202) 408-8175
Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org
Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org
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* Re: what linux should I use?
@ Gregory Nowak
` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Oh really? I thought that fat/fat32 was also Microsoft's property, yet support for both happens to be in the stock Linux kernel.
Greg
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net
>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:01:59 -0500
>Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>It can't possibly be in the stock kernels because the Linux kernel is
>licensed as GPL, and NTFS is the private property of Microsoft.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 42+ messages in thread
* Re: what linux should I use?
@ Gregory Nowak
` Joseph C. Lininger
0 siblings, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net
>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:57:31 -0700
>Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
I personally prefur Norton Ghost for this procedure, but of
>course it's up to you.
Why use Norton Ghost if partition image
http://www.partimage.org
can do the same job, and it's under the GPL, which Norton Ghost is obviously not?
Greg
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 42+ messages in thread
* Re: what linux should I use?
@ Gregory Nowak
` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Naturally, everything under the sun can't be included in zipslack, because then it would be too big. Also, if you find that zipslack is missing things that you need, there is nothing stopping you from installing the extra needed slackware packages.
Greg
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net
>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 17:50:46 -0500
>Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>I'd use bigslack if I were you.
>I tried zipslack on my windows box a few months ago just to see what
>it was like and I was surprised at what was missing. supposedly
>bigslack has everything you need...but is that still developed?
>if you're looking for a live linux cd that's easy to use just grab
>installation disk 2 of the slackware set.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 42+ messages in thread
* Re: what linux should I use?
@ Gregory Nowak
0 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net
>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:21:12 -0500
>Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>Also, before you dive into ZipSlack, you had best ask the proponents of
>ZipSlack to tell you everything you can't do from that environment.
Janina, I am having trouble recalling the things you can't do in the zipslack environment. So, if you could jog my memory and that of the other zipslack proponents, and backup your statement with facts, myself, as well as the newbies I'm sure, would appreciate it.
Greg
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* Re: what linux should I use?
@ Gregory Nowak
0 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
If you replace the vmlinuz kernel in the distro with the speakup.s kernel, then yes, it comes with speakup.
Greg
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com
>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:44:51 -0000
>Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>Does this include speakup?
>Alex
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` Thomas Stivers
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Joseph C. Lininger
0 siblings, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
No question that it's a kernel module. But, you won't get it in the
configs from kernel.org.
Thomas Stivers writes:
> From: Thomas Stivers <stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org>
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 12/27/03 10:01 AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > It can't possibly be in the stock kernels because the Linux kernel is
> > licensed as GPL, and NTFS is the private property of Microsoft.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 42+ messages in thread
* Re: what linux should I use?
` Janina Sajka
` alex stone
@ ` Ryan Mann
1 sibling, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Ryan Mann @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Freshmeat.net would probably be better for finding software.
Why do people dress up for Christmas parties? God doesn't care about the
way you look. You dress up for work, but atleast you get payed to do
that.
On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Janina Sajka wrote:
> I've got a hot tip for you. There's a web site called Google. It's
> really cool for answering questions like the one you posted below.
>
> Learn to use it. You'll love it.
>
> alex stone writes:
> > From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Alex, Where would I get partit from?
> > Cheers.
> > Alex
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 10:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> >
> > > nope...nothing is going to run on ntfs. I don't think the kernel
> > > support for that is complete.
> > >
> > > I 'borrowed' a copy of partition magic from someone and it's a really
> > > good program. wouldnt pay for it though. have you looked at partit?
> > > On
> > > Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:31:11PM -0000, alex stone wrote:
> > > > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
> > require
> > > > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on
> > an XP
> > > > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > > > Cheers.
> > > > Alex
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS
> > out
> > > > of the box, go for slackware.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > > > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > > >
> > > > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
> > features
> > > > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> > > > hardware
> > > > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> > > > without
> > > > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> > > > distro
> > > > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> > > > > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the
> > speakup
> > > > ftp
> > > > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can
> > not
> > > > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> > > > major
> > > > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
> > technical
> > > > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > > > >Hth.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > --
> > > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> > > back.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net
> Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
>
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
> http://accessibility.freestandards.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Thomas Stivers
` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Stivers @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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On 12/27/03 10:01 AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> It can't possibly be in the stock kernels because the Linux kernel is
> licensed as GPL, and NTFS is the private property of Microsoft.
Well from my .config I see
# CONFIG_NTFS_FS is not set
# CONFIG_NTFS_RW is not set
So I believe though I do not have it configured it is in the stock
kernel. It is just experimental and no distro wants to be the one
responsible for trashing the ntfs disks on a server b/c they use
possibly buggy drivers. Except I guess mandrake from what I hear here.
*snip hundreds of lines of quotes*
<rant type="pedantic">
C'mon people please trim your quotes a bit.
http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote2.html#ss2.1
</rant>
- --
Clarke's Corollary:
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
Thomas Stivers e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` Alex Snow
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Thomas Stivers
` Tom and Esther Ward
1 sibling, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
It can't possibly be in the stock kernels because the Linux kernel is
licensed as GPL, and NTFS is the private property of Microsoft.
Alex Snow writes:
> From: Alex Snow <alex_snow@gmx.net>
>
> is this support in the stock kernel sources or does it need to be
> patched in?
> On
> Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 01:08:14AM -0500, Tom and Esther Ward wrote:
> > Actually, Mandrake 9.2 is already reading and writing to NTFS file systems.
> > It also will run on NTFS. However, there are many other distros yet that do
> > not have this support.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 5:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> >
> > > nope...nothing is going to run on ntfs. I don't think the kernel
> > > support for that is complete.
> > >
> > > I 'borrowed' a copy of partition magic from someone and it's a really
> > > good program. wouldnt pay for it though. have you looked at partit?
> > > On
> > > Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:31:11PM -0000, alex stone wrote:
> > > > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
> > require
> > > > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on
> > an XP
> > > > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > > > Cheers.
> > > > Alex
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS
> > out
> > > > of the box, go for slackware.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > > > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > > >
> > > > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
> > features
> > > > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> > > > hardware
> > > > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> > > > without
> > > > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> > > > distro
> > > > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> > > > > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the
> > speakup
> > > > ftp
> > > > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can
> > not
> > > > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> > > > major
> > > > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
> > technical
> > > > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > > > >Hth.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > --
> > > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> > > back.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
> Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> back.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
--
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net
Phone: (202) 408-8175
Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org
Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` alex stone
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Alex Snow
` Joseph C. Lininger
2 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
there are hacked disks on ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks.
On
Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 09:06:07AM -0000, alex stone wrote:
> Alex, Where would I get partit from?
> Cheers.
> Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > nope...nothing is going to run on ntfs. I don't think the kernel
> > support for that is complete.
> >
> > I 'borrowed' a copy of partition magic from someone and it's a really
> > good program. wouldnt pay for it though. have you looked at partit?
> > On
> > Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:31:11PM -0000, alex stone wrote:
> > > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
> require
> > > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on
> an XP
> > > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > > Cheers.
> > > Alex
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS
> out
> > > of the box, go for slackware.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > >
> > > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
> features
> > > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> > > hardware
> > > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> > > without
> > > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> > > distro
> > > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out
> of
> > > the
> > > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> > > > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the
> speakup
> > > ftp
> > > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can
> not
> > > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> > > major
> > > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
> technical
> > > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > > >Hth.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > --
> > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> > back.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
--
Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
back.
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` Tom and Esther Ward
@ ` Alex Snow
` Janina Sajka
` Tom and Esther Ward
0 siblings, 2 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
is this support in the stock kernel sources or does it need to be
patched in?
On
Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 01:08:14AM -0500, Tom and Esther Ward wrote:
> Actually, Mandrake 9.2 is already reading and writing to NTFS file systems.
> It also will run on NTFS. However, there are many other distros yet that do
> not have this support.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 5:47 PM
> Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > nope...nothing is going to run on ntfs. I don't think the kernel
> > support for that is complete.
> >
> > I 'borrowed' a copy of partition magic from someone and it's a really
> > good program. wouldnt pay for it though. have you looked at partit?
> > On
> > Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:31:11PM -0000, alex stone wrote:
> > > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
> require
> > > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on
> an XP
> > > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > > Cheers.
> > > Alex
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS
> out
> > > of the box, go for slackware.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > >
> > > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
> features
> > > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> > > hardware
> > > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> > > without
> > > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> > > distro
> > > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out
> of
> > > the
> > > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> > > > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the
> speakup
> > > ftp
> > > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can
> not
> > > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> > > major
> > > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
> technical
> > > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > > >Hth.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > --
> > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> > back.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
--
Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
back.
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` alex stone
@ ` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Yes, there is. You should learn to fish instead of always asking for a
fish.
alex stone writes:
> From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
>
> Oh c'mon, there's no need to be like that is there?
> Alex.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > I've got a hot tip for you. There's a web site called Google. It's
> > really cool for answering questions like the one you posted below.
> >
> > Learn to use it. You'll love it.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 42+ messages in thread
* Re: what linux should I use?
` Janina Sajka
@ ` alex stone
` Janina Sajka
` Ryan Mann
1 sibling, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: alex stone @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Oh c'mon, there's no need to be like that is there?
Alex.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> I've got a hot tip for you. There's a web site called Google. It's
> really cool for answering questions like the one you posted below.
>
> Learn to use it. You'll love it.
>
> alex stone writes:
> > From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Alex, Where would I get partit from?
> > Cheers.
> > Alex
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 10:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> >
> > > nope...nothing is going to run on ntfs. I don't think the kernel
> > > support for that is complete.
> > >
> > > I 'borrowed' a copy of partition magic from someone and it's a really
> > > good program. wouldnt pay for it though. have you looked at partit?
> > > On
> > > Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:31:11PM -0000, alex stone wrote:
> > > > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
> > require
> > > > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed
on
> > an XP
> > > > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > > > Cheers.
> > > > Alex
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock
CD-ROMS
> > out
> > > > of the box, go for slackware.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > > > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > > >
> > > > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
> > features
> > > > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with
good
> > > > hardware
> > > > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows
drive
> > > > without
> > > > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be
the
> > > > distro
> > > > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right
out
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install,
speakup
> > > > > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the
> > speakup
> > > > ftp
> > > > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I
can
> > not
> > > > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which
is a
> > > > major
> > > > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
> > technical
> > > > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > > > >Hth.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > --
> > > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> > > back.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net
> Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
>
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
> http://accessibility.freestandards.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` Joseph C. Lininger
@ ` Janina Sajka
0 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
But finish the story, Joeseph.
Why is write support for NTFS not yet considered fully stable? Is it bad
programmers? Or does it maybe have to do with the proprietary,
nonpublished nature of NTFS itself--Microsoft's private property, in
other words, that they don't want you to know anything about.
Let us not forget the importance of education.
Joseph C. Lininger writes:
> From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm@pcdesk.net>
>
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hello,
> Well bad news. As far as I know, there are not any Linux distros that
> will let you install to an ntfs partition. The reason is that ntfs
> write support is not yet stable in the Linux kernel. If the drive is
> formatted using fat32, that'll work. Otherwise, you will either need
> something like partition magic, or you'll have to backup your drive,
> repartition so that you have room for a linux partition, and then
> restore. I personally prefur Norton Ghost for this procedure, but of
> course it's up to you.
> - ---
> Joseph C. Lininger
> jbahm@pcdesk.net
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
> > require it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be
> > installed on an XP laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > Cheers.
> > Alex
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> >
> > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock
> > > CD-ROMS out
> > of the box, go for slackware.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > >
> > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
> > > >features you are looking for in a distro.
> > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with
> > > >good
> > hardware
> > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows
> > > >drive
> > without
> > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be
> > > >the
> > distro
> > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install
> > > >right out of
> > the
> > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install,
> > > >speakup included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora
> > > >on the speakup
> > ftp
> > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I
> > > >can not order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire
> > > >thing which is a
> > major
> > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
> > > >technical support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > >Hth.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
--
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net
Phone: (202) 408-8175
Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org
Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` alex stone
@ ` Janina Sajka
` alex stone
` Ryan Mann
` Alex Snow
` Joseph C. Lininger
2 siblings, 2 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
I've got a hot tip for you. There's a web site called Google. It's
really cool for answering questions like the one you posted below.
Learn to use it. You'll love it.
alex stone writes:
> From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
>
> Alex, Where would I get partit from?
> Cheers.
> Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > nope...nothing is going to run on ntfs. I don't think the kernel
> > support for that is complete.
> >
> > I 'borrowed' a copy of partition magic from someone and it's a really
> > good program. wouldnt pay for it though. have you looked at partit?
> > On
> > Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:31:11PM -0000, alex stone wrote:
> > > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
> require
> > > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on
> an XP
> > > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > > Cheers.
> > > Alex
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS
> out
> > > of the box, go for slackware.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > > >
> > > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
> features
> > > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> > > hardware
> > > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> > > without
> > > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> > > distro
> > > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out
> of
> > > the
> > > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> > > > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the
> speakup
> > > ftp
> > > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can
> not
> > > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> > > major
> > > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
> technical
> > > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > > >Hth.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > --
> > Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> > back.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
--
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net
Phone: (202) 408-8175
Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org
Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` Tom and Esther Ward
@ ` alex stone
` Tom and Esther Ward
` Joseph C. Lininger
0 siblings, 2 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: alex stone @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Where would I find Mandrake?
Cheers.
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> Hi, to my knolege Slackware can not be directly installed to a NTFS file
> system. However, Mandrake 9.2 has that ability which is one of the reasons
I
> use Mandrake 9.2 currently.
> However, I've not made any speakup enabled cd images yet so you'd have to
> get some initial sighted assistence to get Mandrake going before adding in
> speech.
> I've got Windows XP Pro and Mandrake 9.2 installed on the same partition,
> and it works well.
> However, if you are looking with a distro with speakup out of the box
you'll
> have to go with Fedora, Slackware, or another distrobution and repartition
> your drive.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
require
> > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on
an
> XP
> > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > Cheers.
> > Alex
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> >
> > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS
> out
> > of the box, go for slackware.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > >
> > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
> features
> > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> > hardware
> > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> > without
> > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> > distro
> > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out
> of
> > the
> > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> > > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the
speakup
> > ftp
> > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can
not
> > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> > major
> > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
technical
> > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > >Hth.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` Alex Snow
` Tom and Esther Ward
@ ` alex stone
` Janina Sajka
` (2 more replies)
1 sibling, 3 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: alex stone @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Alex, Where would I get partit from?
Cheers.
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> nope...nothing is going to run on ntfs. I don't think the kernel
> support for that is complete.
>
> I 'borrowed' a copy of partition magic from someone and it's a really
> good program. wouldnt pay for it though. have you looked at partit?
> On
> Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:31:11PM -0000, alex stone wrote:
> > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
require
> > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on
an XP
> > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > Cheers.
> > Alex
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> >
> > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS
out
> > of the box, go for slackware.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > >
> > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
features
> > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> > hardware
> > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> > without
> > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> > distro
> > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out
of
> > the
> > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> > > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the
speakup
> > ftp
> > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can
not
> > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> > major
> > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
technical
> > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > >Hth.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
> Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> back.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` alex stone
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
` Tom and Esther Ward
@ ` Joseph C. Lininger
` Janina Sajka
3 siblings, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: Joseph C. Lininger @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
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Hash: SHA1
Hello,
Well bad news. As far as I know, there are not any Linux distros that
will let you install to an ntfs partition. The reason is that ntfs
write support is not yet stable in the Linux kernel. If the drive is
formatted using fat32, that'll work. Otherwise, you will either need
something like partition magic, or you'll have to backup your drive,
repartition so that you have room for a linux partition, and then
restore. I personally prefur Norton Ghost for this procedure, but of
course it's up to you.
- ---
Joseph C. Lininger
jbahm@pcdesk.net
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
> require it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be
> installed on an XP laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> Cheers.
> Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock
> > CD-ROMS out
> of the box, go for slackware.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> > >Hi, Juan.
> > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
> > >features you are looking for in a distro.
> > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with
> > >good
> hardware
> > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows
> > >drive
> without
> > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be
> > >the
> distro
> > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install
> > >right out of
> the
> > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install,
> > >speakup included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora
> > >on the speakup
> ftp
> > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I
> > >can not order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire
> > >thing which is a
> major
> > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
> > >technical support which does not help sell to a business.
> > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > >Hth.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` Alex Snow
@ ` Tom and Esther Ward
` Alex Snow
` alex stone
1 sibling, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: Tom and Esther Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Actually, Mandrake 9.2 is already reading and writing to NTFS file systems.
It also will run on NTFS. However, there are many other distros yet that do
not have this support.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> nope...nothing is going to run on ntfs. I don't think the kernel
> support for that is complete.
>
> I 'borrowed' a copy of partition magic from someone and it's a really
> good program. wouldnt pay for it though. have you looked at partit?
> On
> Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:31:11PM -0000, alex stone wrote:
> > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
require
> > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on
an XP
> > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > Cheers.
> > Alex
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> >
> > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS
out
> > of the box, go for slackware.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > >
> > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
features
> > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> > hardware
> > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> > without
> > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> > distro
> > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out
of
> > the
> > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> > > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the
speakup
> > ftp
> > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can
not
> > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> > major
> > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
technical
> > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > >Hth.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
> Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
> back.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` alex stone
` Janina Sajka
` Alex Snow
@ ` Tom and Esther Ward
` alex stone
` Joseph C. Lininger
3 siblings, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: Tom and Esther Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Hi, to my knolege Slackware can not be directly installed to a NTFS file
system. However, Mandrake 9.2 has that ability which is one of the reasons I
use Mandrake 9.2 currently.
However, I've not made any speakup enabled cd images yet so you'd have to
get some initial sighted assistence to get Mandrake going before adding in
speech.
I've got Windows XP Pro and Mandrake 9.2 installed on the same partition,
and it works well.
However, if you are looking with a distro with speakup out of the box you'll
have to go with Fedora, Slackware, or another distrobution and repartition
your drive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it require
> it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on an
XP
> laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> Cheers.
> Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS
out
> of the box, go for slackware.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> > >Hi, Juan.
> > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
features
> > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> hardware
> > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> without
> > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> distro
> > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out
of
> the
> > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the speakup
> ftp
> > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can not
> > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> major
> > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional technical
> > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > >Hth.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` Janina Sajka
` alex stone
@ ` Alex Snow
1 sibling, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
I'd use bigslack if I were you.
I tried zipslack on my windows box a few months ago just to see what
it was like and I was surprised at what was missing. supposedly
bigslack has everything you need...but is that still developed?
if you're looking for a live linux cd that's easy to use just grab
installation disk 2 of the slackware set.
On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at
02:21:12PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> You're going to have to bite the bullet somewhere, I'm afraid. If your
> hard drive is partitioned 100% for NTFS you're going to either:
>
> 1.) Get Partition Magic or
>
> 2.) Get a second hard drive (which might be cheaper).
>
> Also, before you dive into ZipSlack, you had best ask the proponents of
> ZipSlack to tell you everything you can't do from that environment. In
> fact, I'm rather surprised that anyone is still pushing ZipSlack and
> ZipSpeak in an age where we now have speech enabled Knopix cd roms. Is
> it because the Knopix variants aren't providing Speakup? Don't I
> remember there was a Speakup enabled Knopix? Or,. am I just dreaming?
>
>
> alex stone writes:
> > From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it require
> > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on an XP
> > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > Cheers.
> > Alex
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> >
> > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS out
> > of the box, go for slackware.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > >
> > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what features
> > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> > hardware
> > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> > without
> > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> > distro
> > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out of
> > the
> > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> > > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the speakup
> > ftp
> > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can not
> > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> > major
> > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional technical
> > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > >Hth.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net
> Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
>
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
> http://accessibility.freestandards.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
--
Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
back.
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` alex stone
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Alex Snow
` Tom and Esther Ward
` alex stone
` Tom and Esther Ward
` Joseph C. Lininger
3 siblings, 2 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
nope...nothing is going to run on ntfs. I don't think the kernel
support for that is complete.
I 'borrowed' a copy of partition magic from someone and it's a really
good program. wouldnt pay for it though. have you looked at partit?
On
Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 06:31:11PM -0000, alex stone wrote:
> Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it require
> it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on an XP
> laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> Cheers.
> Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS out
> of the box, go for slackware.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> > >Hi, Juan.
> > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what features
> > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> hardware
> > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> without
> > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> distro
> > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out of
> the
> > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the speakup
> ftp
> > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can not
> > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> major
> > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional technical
> > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > >Hth.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
--
Always borrow money from a pessimist; he doesn't expect to be paid
back.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 42+ messages in thread
* Re: what linux should I use?
` Janina Sajka
@ ` alex stone
` Alex Snow
1 sibling, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: alex stone @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Can't get a new hard drive as we're talking about a laptop here.
Thanks.
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> You're going to have to bite the bullet somewhere, I'm afraid. If your
> hard drive is partitioned 100% for NTFS you're going to either:
>
> 1.) Get Partition Magic or
>
> 2.) Get a second hard drive (which might be cheaper).
>
> Also, before you dive into ZipSlack, you had best ask the proponents of
> ZipSlack to tell you everything you can't do from that environment. In
> fact, I'm rather surprised that anyone is still pushing ZipSlack and
> ZipSpeak in an age where we now have speech enabled Knopix cd roms. Is
> it because the Knopix variants aren't providing Speakup? Don't I
> remember there was a Speakup enabled Knopix? Or,. am I just dreaming?
>
>
> alex stone writes:
> > From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
require
> > it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on
an XP
> > laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> > Cheers.
> > Alex
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> >
> > > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS
out
> > of the box, go for slackware.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> > >
> > > >Hi, Juan.
> > > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
features
> > > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> > hardware
> > > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> > without
> > > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> > distro
> > > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out
of
> > the
> > > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> > > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the
speakup
> > ftp
> > > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can
not
> > > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> > major
> > > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional
technical
> > > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > > >Hth.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net
> Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
>
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
> http://accessibility.freestandards.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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* Re: what linux should I use?
` alex stone
@ ` Janina Sajka
` alex stone
` Alex Snow
` Alex Snow
` (2 subsequent siblings)
3 siblings, 2 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
You're going to have to bite the bullet somewhere, I'm afraid. If your
hard drive is partitioned 100% for NTFS you're going to either:
1.) Get Partition Magic or
2.) Get a second hard drive (which might be cheaper).
Also, before you dive into ZipSlack, you had best ask the proponents of
ZipSlack to tell you everything you can't do from that environment. In
fact, I'm rather surprised that anyone is still pushing ZipSlack and
ZipSpeak in an age where we now have speech enabled Knopix cd roms. Is
it because the Knopix variants aren't providing Speakup? Don't I
remember there was a Speakup enabled Knopix? Or,. am I just dreaming?
alex stone writes:
> From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com>
>
> Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it require
> it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on an XP
> laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> Cheers.
> Alex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> > Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS out
> of the box, go for slackware.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> > >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> > >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> >
> > >Hi, Juan.
> > >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what features
> > >you are looking for in a distro.
> > >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> hardware
> > >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> without
> > >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> distro
> > >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out of
> the
> > >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> > >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> > >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the speakup
> ftp
> > >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can not
> > >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> major
> > >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional technical
> > >support which does not help sell to a business.
> > >So really that is my two suggestions.
> > >Hth.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
--
Janina Sajka
Email: janina@rednote.net
Phone: (202) 408-8175
Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org
Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
http://accessibility.freestandards.org
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* Re: what linux should I use?
Gregory Nowak
@ ` alex stone
0 siblings, 0 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: alex stone @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Does this include speakup?
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> No, Slackware requires its own partition. You can however install zipslack
on a fat/fat32 partition.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com
> >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:31:11 -0000
> >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
> >Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it
require
> >it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on an
XP
> >laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
> >Cheers.
> >Alex
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org
> >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
> >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
>
> >> Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS
out
> >of the box, go for slackware.
>
> >> Greg
>
>
>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> >>>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> ><speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >>>Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> >>>Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
> >>>Hi, Juan.
> >>>When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what
features
> >>>you are looking for in a distro.
> >>>For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
> >hardware
> >>>plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
> >without
> >>>partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
> >distro
> >>>of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out
of
> >the
> >>>box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> >>>if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> >>>included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the speakup
> >ftp
> >>>site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can not
> >>>order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
> >major
> >>>turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional technical
> >>>support which does not help sell to a business.
> >>>So really that is my two suggestions.
> >>>Hth.
>
>
>
>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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* Re: what linux should I use?
@ Gregory Nowak
` alex stone
0 siblings, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
No, Slackware requires its own partition. You can however install zipslack on a fat/fat32 partition.
Greg
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "alex stone" <alexstone87@hotmail.com
>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:31:11 -0000
>Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it require
>it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on an XP
>laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
>Cheers.
>Alex
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org
>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
>Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>> Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS out
>of the box, go for slackware.
>> Greg
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
>>>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
><speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>>Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>>>Hi, Juan.
>>>When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what features
>>>you are looking for in a distro.
>>>For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
>hardware
>>>plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
>without
>>>partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
>distro
>>>of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out of
>the
>>>box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
>>>if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
>>>included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the speakup
>ftp
>>>site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can not
>>>order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
>major
>>>turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional technical
>>>support which does not help sell to a business.
>>>So really that is my two suggestions.
>>>Hth.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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* Re: what linux should I use?
Gregory Nowak
@ ` alex stone
` Janina Sajka
` (3 more replies)
0 siblings, 4 replies; 42+ messages in thread
From: alex stone @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Can Slackware be installed on a windows NTFS partition, or does it require
it's own partition? I'm looking for a distro that can be installed on an XP
laptop, without having to buy partition magic.
Cheers.
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregory Nowak" <greg@romuald.net.eu.org>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
> Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS out
of the box, go for slackware.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
> >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
> >Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>
> >Hi, Juan.
> >When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what features
> >you are looking for in a distro.
> >For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good
hardware
> >plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive
without
> >partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the
distro
> >of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out of
the
> >box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
> >if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
> >included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the speakup
ftp
> >site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can not
> >order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a
major
> >turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional technical
> >support which does not help sell to a business.
> >So really that is my two suggestions.
> >Hth.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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* Re: what linux should I use?
@ Gregory Nowak
` alex stone
0 siblings, 1 reply; 42+ messages in thread
From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Also, if you want a distro that includes speakup in the stock CD-ROMS out of the box, go for slackware.
Greg
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Tom and Esther Ward" <tward1978@earthlink.net
>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:47:20 -0500
>Subject: Re: what linux should I use?
>Hi, Juan.
>When choosing a Linux distro you need to take in to account what features
>you are looking for in a distro.
>For example if you want to install a modern Linux distro with good hardware
>plug and play support, can be installed directly to a Windows drive without
>partitioning, and have commercial support Mandrake 9.2 might be the distro
>of choice. However, Mandrake doesn't have a talking install right out of the
>box, and takes lots of tinkering to make accessible.
>if you are looking for a Linux distro with a talking install, speakup
>included, and accessibility right out of the box Fedora on the speakup ftp
>site might be a better choice. However, I don't like the fact I can not
>order Fedora on cd, and have to download the entire thing which is a major
>turn off for me. Neither does Red Hat provide any profetional technical
>support which does not help sell to a business.
>So really that is my two suggestions.
>Hth.
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