broadband cable throughput quality

broadband cable throughput quality

[Jude DaShiell]

Setting the propaganda aside what kind of quality for cable modem 
downloaads is actually offered?  If the quality is less than effective 
what needs to be done by users to get it improved?

Re: broadband cable throughput quality

[Alex Snow]

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the quality of cable connections from what I've seen is pretty good. 
the speeds for downstream are for the post part quite nice. the only 
thing that could be improved is increasing the upstream by a little 
(certain isps only give 128k or less).
On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 02:43:55PM 
- -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Setting the propaganda aside what kind of quality for cable modem 
> downloaads is actually offered?  If the quality is less than effective 
> what needs to be done by users to get it improved?
> 
> 
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Re: broadband cable throughput quality

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

My ISP offers a speed test link on its web site so that
subscribers can test their transfer speeds. When downloading from
an arbitrary site, your observed speed will depend on the slowest
link in the path of hops between that site and your system, and
that is generally not known in advance.

With cable, your bandwidth is shared with a (hopefully) small
group of neighboring subscribers, and if all your neighboring
subscribers happen to be downloading at the same time, your
performance (and theirs) will suffer.

The only practical thing you can do that I know of is to shoot
your neighbors, but that is going to extremes.


I can generally count on download speeds of 125 k bytes per
second, and have seen as high as 250 k bytes per second, and as
low as 13 k bytes per second. The last figure was due to limited
upload bandwidth at the originating site. My upload speeds when
doing an FTP to my ISP runs from 15 to 25 k bytes per second. I
cannot account for the variation by anything over which I have
control.

Chuck


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RE: broadband cable throughput quality

[Sina Bahram]

Just to add to this, I have gotten upward of 450kb/s but usually hang around
350kb/s for downloads and around 40 to 50 kb/s for upload. For upload, I
usually don't fluctuate that much, it's generally a steady 44 kb/s sometimes
higher, and rarely lower.

All of the above are in bytes and not bits.

Take care,
Sina

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On Behalf Of Chuck Hallenbeck
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 4:21 PM
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Subject: Re: broadband cable throughput quality


My ISP offers a speed test link on its web site so that subscribers can test
their transfer speeds. When downloading from an arbitrary site, your
observed speed will depend on the slowest link in the path of hops between
that site and your system, and that is generally not known in advance.

With cable, your bandwidth is shared with a (hopefully) small group of
neighboring subscribers, and if all your neighboring subscribers happen to
be downloading at the same time, your performance (and theirs) will suffer.

The only practical thing you can do that I know of is to shoot your
neighbors, but that is going to extremes.


I can generally count on download speeds of 125 k bytes per second, and have
seen as high as 250 k bytes per second, and as low as 13 k bytes per second.
The last figure was due to limited upload bandwidth at the originating site.
My upload speeds when doing an FTP to my ISP runs from 15 to 25 k bytes per
second. I cannot account for the variation by anything over which I have
control.

Chuck


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Re: broadband cable throughput quality

[Glenn Ervin at Home]

I think that the upstream speed was decreased to improve the download
speeds.
Glenn
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the quality of cable connections from what I've seen is pretty good.
the speeds for downstream are for the post part quite nice. the only
thing that could be improved is increasing the upstream by a little
(certain isps only give 128k or less).
On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 02:43:55PM
- -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Setting the propaganda aside what kind of quality for cable modem
> downloaads is actually offered?  If the quality is less than effective
> what needs to be done by users to get it improved?
>
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: broadband cable throughput quality

[david poehlman]

In the years I have been on cable, I've never gotten good upload speeds.
They don't want to encourage server usage on their systems so they block the
upload.  As far as neighbors, when comcast took over as our service
providor, and improved the network, I experienced a dramatic increase in the
quality of the connection no matter what the time of day or day of the week.
Any issues I now have with through put as far as download is concerned is
with slow or busy servers.  I have had some other issues, but they have been
attributable to a server being down or to a comcast outage.  I really hate
the 45k max uploads I get though and I also resent that I cannot use a
server on my pc and have it reached from the outside world.  This is
especially bad for things like streaming media which I have the power to do
but which does no good since no one can get to it because comcast blocks the
ports.

Re: broadband cable throughput quality

[Alex Snow]

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that's weird. does comcast actually block any ports? last time I 
checked it didn't. though maybe it's different depending on what area 
you are in.
On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 05:38:24PM -0400, david poehlman 
wrote:
> In the years I have been on cable, I've never gotten good upload speeds.
> They don't want to encourage server usage on their systems so they block the
> upload.  As far as neighbors, when comcast took over as our service
> providor, and improved the network, I experienced a dramatic increase in the
> quality of the connection no matter what the time of day or day of the week.
> Any issues I now have with through put as far as download is concerned is
> with slow or busy servers.  I have had some other issues, but they have been
> attributable to a server being down or to a comcast outage.  I really hate
> the 45k max uploads I get though and I also resent that I cannot use a
> server on my pc and have it reached from the outside world.  This is
> especially bad for things like streaming media which I have the power to do
> but which does no good since no one can get to it because comcast blocks the
> ports.
> 
> 
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Re: broadband cable throughput quality

[david poehlman]

All I know is that I cannot reach any server I put on my box through my ip.

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that's weird. does comcast actually block any ports? last time I
checked it didn't. though maybe it's different depending on what area
you are in.
On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 05:38:24PM -0400, david poehlman
wrote:
> In the years I have been on cable, I've never gotten good upload speeds.
> They don't want to encourage server usage on their systems so they block
the
> upload.  As far as neighbors, when comcast took over as our service
> providor, and improved the network, I experienced a dramatic increase in
the
> quality of the connection no matter what the time of day or day of the
week.
> Any issues I now have with through put as far as download is concerned is
> with slow or busy servers.  I have had some other issues, but they have
been
> attributable to a server being down or to a comcast outage.  I really hate
> the 45k max uploads I get though and I also resent that I cannot use a
> server on my pc and have it reached from the outside world.  This is
> especially bad for things like streaming media which I have the power to
do
> but which does no good since no one can get to it because comcast blocks
the
> ports.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: broadband cable throughput quality

[Shaun Oliver]

ok guys just to put my 2 cents worth in here,
depending on the site, I can get download speeds oupwards of 800 kb/s 
that's kilobytes per second
I'm like most people are limited to 128 kbps kilobits per second which 
works out to aproximately 14-16 kb/s
hth

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Re: broadband cable throughput quality

[Alex Snow]

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that's pretty good downstream for cable. the only thing I've seen 
faster is optimum online which in some areas is giving 10x1.5mbps 
connections...if I lived one town over I could have it...:-(
and they don't really care about running servers from what I've seen.
On 
Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 04:52:26PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> ok guys just to put my 2 cents worth in here,
> depending on the site, I can get download speeds oupwards of 800 kb/s 
> that's kilobytes per second
> I'm like most people are limited to 128 kbps kilobits per second which 
> works out to aproximately 14-16 kb/s
> hth
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: broadband cable throughput quality

[nick G]

i a as much an Optimum users, and this is sertain.  It is very node specific
about running servers.  Some nodes are crouded and you can't rn a server for
you life because they'll have your head.  Others, lik emyt, aren't crouded
at all.  I think because of this old cable modem, I'm limited to 6Mb/s
that's megabits, by 1 megabit up.
Thanks,
Nick
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Subject: Re: broadband cable throughput quality


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> that's pretty good downstream for cable. the only thing I've seen
> faster is optimum online which in some areas is giving 10x1.5mbps
> connections...if I lived one town over I could have it...:-(
> and they don't really care about running servers from what I've seen.
> On
> Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 04:52:26PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> > ok guys just to put my 2 cents worth in here,
> > depending on the site, I can get download speeds oupwards of 800 kb/s
> > that's kilobytes per second
> > I'm like most people are limited to 128 kbps kilobits per second which
> > works out to aproximately 14-16 kb/s
> > hth
> >
> > -- 
> > Shaun Oliver
> >
> >
> > "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> > email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au
> > WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/
> > IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666
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Re: broadband cable throughput quality

[nick G]

I can't type today.  Hahaha.
Thanks,
Nick
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Subject: Re: broadband cable throughput quality


> i a as much an Optimum users, and this is sertain.  It is very node
specific
> about running servers.  Some nodes are crouded and you can't rn a server
for
> you life because they'll have your head.  Others, lik emyt, aren't crouded
> at all.  I think because of this old cable modem, I'm limited to 6Mb/s
> that's megabits, by 1 megabit up.
> Thanks,
> Nick
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> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: broadband cable throughput quality
>
>
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> > that's pretty good downstream for cable. the only thing I've seen
> > faster is optimum online which in some areas is giving 10x1.5mbps
> > connections...if I lived one town over I could have it...:-(
> > and they don't really care about running servers from what I've seen.
> > On
> > Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 04:52:26PM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> > > ok guys just to put my 2 cents worth in here,
> > > depending on the site, I can get download speeds oupwards of 800 kb/s
> > > that's kilobytes per second
> > > I'm like most people are limited to 128 kbps kilobits per second which
> > > works out to aproximately 14-16 kb/s
> > > hth
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > Shaun Oliver
> > >
> > >
> > > "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
> > > email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au
> > > WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/
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Re: broadband cable throughput quality

[Steve Holmes]

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I sure wish that god-awful reply to field could be fixed on the list!
Most of the time I have to overtype the to field with my aliased
speakup entry to get rid of it.

For Cable speeds, I now can enjoy an average of around 350 KB per
second while downloading from ftp.kernel.org.  I used to only get at
most, half or a third as much until I replaced my hub and 486 based
router with a new router which has four switched ports on it.  My
uploads have consistantly been around 30 KBPS no matter what; pretty
steady.

I don't like the port blocking that Cox does but I can get around
quite a few of them by using non-standard ports; they mainly block web
(80) and SMTP (25).  I think they bock FTP and telnet but I don't do
telnet at all and SSH works fine but since I use a router, I split off
my SSH to several different machines by using other ports.  I also use
a non standard port to access my web server privately.  All and all,
it works and is the only high speed internet option available to me in
my neighborhood.  I could have stayed with Sprint Broadband but I
think Cox is faster now then they were and certainly my upload speeds
are better.

Too bad I can't afford a T1 line <sigh>.
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Re: broadband cable throughput quality

[Alex Snow]

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my isp tried that for a while but for some reason the started allowing 
pings again.
On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 06:55:03PM -0400, Chuck Hallenbeck 
wrote:
> My ISP does not block any ports, but they do block outgoing icmp
> packets required for me to ping an external address. They let me
> reply to pings, but not originate any.
> 
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Re: broadband cable throughput quality

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

My ISP does not block any ports, but they do block outgoing icmp
packets required for me to ping an external address. They let me
reply to pings, but not originate any.



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