* fedora and pico @ Roy Nickelson ` Stephen Clower ` fedora and pico William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Roy Nickelson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, is pico installed with fedora 2 if I choose everything? I notice it wasn't on my system and I want to make sure I didn't make a wrong choice. Roy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico fedora and pico Roy Nickelson @ ` Stephen Clower ` Roy Nickelson ` fedora and pico William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Stephen Clower @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Roy, No, Pico, along with Pine, is not a part of the Fedora distribution because Pico does not completely meet the licensing requirements for Fedora. You can use nano if you wish, which is installed with Fedora and uses the same command structure as Pico. Nano is much more powerful, and many Pico fans have switched to it. Stephen Clower, that guy from the south. You can reach me by any of the following: E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net MSN: steve@steve-audio.net AIM: AudioRabbit03 You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico ` Stephen Clower @ ` Roy Nickelson ` Shaun Oliver ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Roy Nickelson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi, in that case what do you use for an e-mail client I really liked pine. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:58 PM Subject: Re: fedora and pico Hi Roy, No, Pico, along with Pine, is not a part of the Fedora distribution because Pico does not completely meet the licensing requirements for Fedora. You can use nano if you wish, which is installed with Fedora and uses the same command structure as Pico. Nano is much more powerful, and many Pico fans have switched to it. Stephen Clower, that guy from the south. You can reach me by any of the following: E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net MSN: steve@steve-audio.net AIM: AudioRabbit03 You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico ` Roy Nickelson @ ` Shaun Oliver ` Roy Nickelson ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Stephen Clower 2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. mutt is really nice once you get use to it, I was a pine adict when I first started but I'm really liking mutt. and it's easy enough to use. -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico ` Shaun Oliver @ ` Roy Nickelson ` Shaun Oliver 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Roy Nickelson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi, mutt wasn't a problem but I could never get sendmail to work. If mutt has an option for the smtp server I don't know about it. do you use sendmail? Any sugestions here would be great. roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 7:48 AM Subject: Re: fedora and pico mutt is really nice once you get use to it, I was a pine adict when I first started but I'm really liking mutt. and it's easy enough to use. -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico ` Roy Nickelson @ ` Shaun Oliver ` Roy Nickelson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I use exim. what you might need to do is define a smarthost in sendmail's config file. why you'r using sendmail is beyond me. I won't start a flame war here, suffice it to say, exim's config files are easy to read and understand and I have heard around the traps that sendmail isn't as secure as it possibly should be. no matter, horses for courses. in your sendmail.cf file look for a line with ds on it's own. put in there, your isps mail server and restart sanemail after saving the config file. errrr. make that sendmail lol. -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico ` Shaun Oliver @ ` Roy Nickelson ` Shaun Oliver 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Roy Nickelson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi, how would I use exim? Do I need to configure mutt to use exim. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 8:19 AM Subject: Re: fedora and pico I use exim. what you might need to do is define a smarthost in sendmail's config file. why you'r using sendmail is beyond me. I won't start a flame war here, suffice it to say, exim's config files are easy to read and understand and I have heard around the traps that sendmail isn't as secure as it possibly should be. no matter, horses for courses. in your sendmail.cf file look for a line with ds on it's own. put in there, your isps mail server and restart sanemail after saving the config file. errrr. make that sendmail lol. -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico ` Roy Nickelson @ ` Shaun Oliver ` Roy Nickelson ` Steve Holmes 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. you don't need to configure mutt to use exim. not that I remember, anyone else that's either used exim rpms or compiled exim from source might be able to help you with this. -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico ` Shaun Oliver @ ` Roy Nickelson ` Steve Holmes 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Roy Nickelson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi, where do I put the smtp server in exim. I have tried reading the documentation but it doesn't help. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: fedora and pico you don't need to configure mutt to use exim. not that I remember, anyone else that's either used exim rpms or compiled exim from source might be able to help you with this. -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico ` Shaun Oliver ` Roy Nickelson @ ` Steve Holmes 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Steve Holmes @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup; +Cc: Shaun Oliver -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 12:56:52AM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote: > you don't need to configure mutt to use exim. > not that I remember, > anyone else that's either used exim rpms or compiled exim from source > might be able to help you with this. Mutt does have a variable that is set as a command string to invoke sendmail along with some other command line arguments. I should tell you that when exim is installed by default, it creates a symbolic link to itself called /usr/sbin/sendmail so the choice of mail transport in this case should be completely transparent to mutt. In fact, it is so on 3 of my machines. I compiled exim from sources and built a Slackware compatible package. - -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://ld.net/?holmesgrown -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAvAvkWSjv55S0LfERAkNHAKD4faCPWqS/Umlu1RcyT7tEGDsOJQCdHM7Q nWJE4sJbo1OWFkBlST+fEIw= =Wphk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico ` Roy Nickelson ` Shaun Oliver @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Stephen Clower 2 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I use pine with nano as an "alternate editor invoked implicitly" and it works great. On Mon, 31 May 2004, Roy Nickelson wrote: > hi, > in that case what do you use for an e-mail client I really liked pine. > Roy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net> > To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:58 PM > Subject: Re: fedora and pico > > > Hi Roy, > No, Pico, along with Pine, is not a part of the Fedora distribution > because Pico does not completely meet the licensing requirements for Fedora. > You can use nano if you wish, which is installed with Fedora and uses the > same command structure as Pico. Nano is much more powerful, and many Pico > fans have switched to it. > > Stephen Clower, that guy from the south. > You can reach me by any of the following: > E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net > MSN: steve@steve-audio.net > AIM: AudioRabbit03 > > You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting > http://www.steve-audio.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > - -- The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (90% of Full) My home page is now at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBQLsdjDVdG8M9x9tGAQJ63AP7BbSsZUxpa2IMg5rwkU6xadvvkfO1VNe2 JHzGIgS+KSrn57Nii6cIHsbjx9GBnFKZNoh9dIREuDImxHqVd9HO7Y0WcwIUqN5g C7NcYWVa1rpgLOJklyfDxgckxdwR2fuRa/Bp4lfeCLECa3MRazcK4fOXrJ880IXV MpKqj0uuzYw= =/vPE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico ` Roy Nickelson ` Shaun Oliver ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` Stephen Clower ` Shaun Oliver ` Sergei Fleytin 2 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Stephen Clower @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. So far, my favorite client is Pine. However, compared to just about everyone else on this list I'm pretty new to Linux so there are probably much better clients available such as Mut or Exim. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/31/2004 at 7:41 AM Roy Nickelson wrote: >hi, >in that case what do you use for an e-mail client I really liked pine. >Roy > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net> >To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:58 PM >Subject: Re: fedora and pico > > >Hi Roy, > No, Pico, along with Pine, is not a part of the Fedora distribution >because Pico does not completely meet the licensing requirements for >Fedora. >You can use nano if you wish, which is installed with Fedora and uses the >same command structure as Pico. Nano is much more powerful, and many Pico >fans have switched to it. > >Stephen Clower, that guy from the south. >You can reach me by any of the following: >E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net >MSN: steve@steve-audio.net >AIM: AudioRabbit03 > >You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting >http://www.steve-audio.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup Stephen Clower, that guy from the south. You can reach me by any of the following: E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net MSN: steve@steve-audio.net AIM: AudioRabbit03 You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico ` Stephen Clower @ ` Shaun Oliver ` Sergei Fleytin 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Shaun Oliver @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -- Shaun Oliver "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au WEB: http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ IRC: irc.awesomechat.net:6666 IRCNICK: blindman ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico ` Stephen Clower ` Shaun Oliver @ ` Sergei Fleytin ` interesting lockup with Slackware current Stephen Clower 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Sergei Fleytin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello, Steve and others. SC> So far, my favorite client is Pine. However, compared to just SC> about everyone else on this list I'm pretty new to Linux so there SC> are probably much better clients available such as Mut or Exim. Exim is not an e-mail client. It is a mail transport agent whose job is to deliver your mail across the network. As far as mail clients are concerned, you may have a look at cone http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/index.html Just read carefully the installation instructions since there were some tricks required to make rpms for RH 9. I don't know but it may be much easier with Fedora. HTh Sergei Fleytin. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* interesting lockup with Slackware current ` Sergei Fleytin @ ` Stephen Clower ` Adam Myrow ` Doug Sutherland 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Stephen Clower @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello folks, I have installed the current Slackware distribution with the 2.4.26 Speakup modified kernel onto a computer. When the machine boots up, it gets to the point of starting the sendmail daemon, but then the entire machine locks up, Speakup included. Is there any way of booting into single-user mode with lilo so I can disable sendmail from starting? Stephen Clower, that guy from the south. You can reach me by any of the following: E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net MSN: steve@steve-audio.net AIM: AudioRabbit03 You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: interesting lockup with Slackware current ` interesting lockup with Slackware current Stephen Clower @ ` Adam Myrow ` Stephen Clower ` Doug Sutherland 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Adam Myrow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. You have to add the word "single" to the boot prompt to boot in single-user mode. I.E. assuming your boot entry in Lilo is called Linux, you would type "Linux single" at the boot prompt. BTW, when you say "current" do you mean you downloaded from the Slackware-current directory? If so, you should be aware that the slack-ware-current directory is essentially the beta test directory for what will eventually be the newest version of Slackware. The latest stable version is 9.1. They really ought to rename the current directory to "testing" or something similar. Anyway, I can't imagine what is causing the lock-up. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: interesting lockup with Slackware current ` Adam Myrow @ ` Stephen Clower ` Doug Sutherland 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Stephen Clower @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Adam and Doug, Thanks a lot for the info. I ended up installing the latest Slackware 9.1 packages, including sendmail. Slack 9.1 is a little dated, but it's stable. I think I'll just wait for the next stable release of the OS instead of breaking anything else. Regards Steve *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/31/2004 at 12:23 PM Adam Myrow wrote: >You have to add the word "single" to the boot prompt to boot in >single-user mode. I.E. assuming your boot entry in Lilo is called Linux, >you would type "Linux single" at the boot prompt. BTW, when you say >"current" do you mean you downloaded from the Slackware-current directory? >If so, you should be aware that the slack-ware-current directory is >essentially the beta test directory for what will eventually be the newest >version of Slackware. The latest stable version is 9.1. They really >ought to rename the current directory to "testing" or something similar. >Anyway, I can't imagine what is causing the lock-up. > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup Stephen Clower, that guy from the south. You can reach me by any of the following: E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net MSN: steve@steve-audio.net AIM: AudioRabbit03 You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: interesting lockup with Slackware current ` Stephen Clower @ ` Doug Sutherland ` Stephen Clower 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Steve, I've gone down the road of playing with slackware-current, and that basically equates to unstable, untested, incompatible, etc. Also, mixing and matching the latest stable rev (9.1) with some of the current stuff is dangerous, they often use different revs of the very basic core stuff like gcc, glibc, and binutils (from which everything is built). With slackware, its usually best to stick with the latest stable rev, and if you need to upgrade stuff, best to build from source. Regarding your sendmail "lockup", I'm willing to bet that the machine was not frozen, rather sendmail was confused about some configuration detail related to networking. Like I said before this is common. That used to happen to me in the redhat 5 days. Usually the problem relates to DNS name resolution. -- Doug ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: interesting lockup with Slackware current ` Doug Sutherland @ ` Stephen Clower 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Stephen Clower @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Ah well. Slackware 9.1 is up-to-date so far as its own packages are concerned, and things are working beautifully. I'll definitely not be upgrading to Slackware current again unless it's really necessary. Thanks, Steve *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/31/2004 at 9:38 PM Doug Sutherland wrote: >Steve, > >I've gone down the road of playing with slackware-current, and that >basically >equates to unstable, untested, incompatible, etc. Also, mixing and matching >the latest stable rev (9.1) with some of the current stuff is dangerous, >they >often use different revs of the very basic core stuff like gcc, glibc, and >binutils (from which everything is built). With slackware, its usually best >to stick with the latest stable rev, and if you need to upgrade stuff, best >to build from source. > >Regarding your sendmail "lockup", I'm willing to bet that the machine was >not >frozen, rather sendmail was confused about some configuration detail >related >to networking. Like I said before this is common. That used to happen to me >in the redhat 5 days. Usually the problem relates to DNS name resolution. > > -- Doug > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup Stephen Clower, that guy from the south. You can reach me by any of the following: E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net MSN: steve@steve-audio.net AIM: AudioRabbit03 You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: interesting lockup with Slackware current ` interesting lockup with Slackware current Stephen Clower ` Adam Myrow @ ` Doug Sutherland 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Doug Sutherland @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Sendmail ... "locking up" ... are you sure its not timing out. This is a common problem. Try letting it sit for a few minutes and see if sendmail times out and the boot sequence proceeds. One thing you can try is changing the permissions on the sendmail startup run control file /etc/rc.d/rc.sendmail. If its send to not execute (chmod -x) then slackware won't start sendmail. But that's probably not what you want :) This problem (sendmail delay) is sometimes due to there being no localhost defined in the /etc/hosts file. Check yours and make sure you have in there: 127.0.0.1 localhost -- Doug ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: fedora and pico fedora and pico Roy Nickelson ` Stephen Clower @ ` William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209 @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, Pico is a part of the Pine package. Packages for Fedora can be found at: ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/fedora/<Fedora_Version>/RPMS/ HTH. -- Bill in Denver On Sun, 30 May 2004, Roy Nickelson wrote: > Hi, > is pico installed with fedora 2 if I choose everything? I notice it wasn't > on my system and I want to make sure I didn't make a wrong choice. > Roy > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
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