fedora and pico

fedora and pico

[Roy Nickelson]

Hi,
is pico installed with fedora 2 if I choose everything?  I notice it wasn't
on my system and I want to make sure I didn't make a wrong choice.
Roy

Re: fedora and pico

[Stephen Clower]

Hi Roy,
  No, Pico, along with Pine, is not a part of the Fedora distribution because Pico does not completely meet the licensing requirements for Fedora. You can use nano if you wish, which is installed with Fedora and uses the same command structure as Pico. Nano is much more powerful, and many Pico fans have switched to it.

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Re: fedora and pico

[Roy Nickelson]

hi,
in that case what do you use for an e-mail client I really liked pine.
Roy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: fedora and pico


Hi Roy,
  No, Pico, along with Pine, is not a part of the Fedora distribution
because Pico does not completely meet the licensing requirements for Fedora.
You can use nano if you wish, which is installed with Fedora and uses the
same command structure as Pico. Nano is much more powerful, and many Pico
fans have switched to it.

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
You can reach me by any of the following:
E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
AIM: AudioRabbit03

You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
http://www.steve-audio.net



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Re: fedora and pico

[Shaun Oliver]

mutt is really nice once you get use to it,
I was a pine adict when I first started but I'm really liking mutt.
and it's easy enough to use.

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Re: fedora and pico

[Chuck Hallenbeck]

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I use pine with nano as an "alternate editor invoked implicitly"
and it works great.


On Mon, 31 May 2004, Roy Nickelson wrote:

> hi,
> in that case what do you use for an e-mail client I really liked pine.
> Roy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: fedora and pico
>
>
> Hi Roy,
>   No, Pico, along with Pine, is not a part of the Fedora distribution
> because Pico does not completely meet the licensing requirements for Fedora.
> You can use nano if you wish, which is installed with Fedora and uses the
> same command structure as Pico. Nano is much more powerful, and many Pico
> fans have switched to it.
>
> Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
> You can reach me by any of the following:
> E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
> MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
> AIM: AudioRabbit03
>
> You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
> http://www.steve-audio.net
>
>
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Re: fedora and pico

[Roy Nickelson]

hi,
mutt wasn't a problem but I could never get sendmail to work. If mutt has an
option for the smtp server I don't know about it.
do you use sendmail? Any sugestions here would be great.
roy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: fedora and pico


mutt is really nice once you get use to it,
I was a pine adict when I first started but I'm really liking mutt.
and it's easy enough to use.

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Re: fedora and pico

[Shaun Oliver]

I use exim.
what you might need to do is define a smarthost in sendmail's config 
file.
why you'r using sendmail is beyond me.
I won't start a flame war here, suffice it to say,
exim's config files are easy to read and understand and I have heard 
around the traps that sendmail isn't as secure as it possibly should be.
no matter, horses for courses.
in your sendmail.cf file look for a line  with 
ds on it's own.
put in  there, your isps mail server and restart sanemail after saving 
the config file.
errrr. make that sendmail lol.

-- 
Shaun Oliver


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Re: fedora and pico

[Roy Nickelson]

hi,
how would I use exim?  Do I need to configure mutt to use exim.  
Roy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: fedora and pico


I use exim.
what you might need to do is define a smarthost in sendmail's config 
file.
why you'r using sendmail is beyond me.
I won't start a flame war here, suffice it to say,
exim's config files are easy to read and understand and I have heard 
around the traps that sendmail isn't as secure as it possibly should be.
no matter, horses for courses.
in your sendmail.cf file look for a line  with 
ds on it's own.
put in  there, your isps mail server and restart sanemail after saving 
the config file.
errrr. make that sendmail lol.

-- 
Shaun Oliver


"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
email: shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au
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Re: fedora and pico

[Stephen Clower]

So far, my favorite client is Pine. However, compared to just about everyone else on this list I'm pretty new to Linux so there are probably much better clients available such as Mut or Exim.


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On 5/31/2004 at 7:41 AM Roy Nickelson wrote:

>hi,
>in that case what do you use for an e-mail client I really liked pine.
>Roy
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Stephen Clower" <steve@steve-audio.net>
>To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:58 PM
>Subject: Re: fedora and pico
>
>
>Hi Roy,
>  No, Pico, along with Pine, is not a part of the Fedora distribution
>because Pico does not completely meet the licensing requirements for
>Fedora.
>You can use nano if you wish, which is installed with Fedora and uses the
>same command structure as Pico. Nano is much more powerful, and many Pico
>fans have switched to it.
>
>Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
>You can reach me by any of the following:
>E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net
>MSN: steve@steve-audio.net
>AIM: AudioRabbit03
>
>You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting
>http://www.steve-audio.net
>
>
>
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You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net

Re: fedora and pico

[Shaun Oliver]

you don't need to configure mutt to use exim.
not that I remember,
anyone else that's either used exim rpms or compiled exim from source 
might be able to help you with this.

-- 
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Re: fedora and pico

[Shaun Oliver]

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Re: fedora and pico

[Sergei Fleytin]

Hello, Steve and others.

SC> So far, my favorite client is Pine. However, compared to just
SC> about everyone else on this list I'm pretty new to Linux so there
SC> are probably much better clients available such as Mut or Exim.

Exim is not an e-mail client. It is a mail transport agent whose job
is to deliver your mail across the network.

As far as mail clients are concerned, you may have a look at cone

http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/index.html

Just read carefully the installation instructions since there were
some tricks required to make rpms for RH 9. I don't know but it may be
much easier with Fedora.

HTh

Sergei Fleytin.

interesting lockup with Slackware current

[Stephen Clower]

Hello folks,
  I have installed the current Slackware distribution with the 2.4.26 Speakup modified kernel onto a computer. When the machine boots up, it gets to the point of starting the sendmail daemon, but then the entire machine locks up, Speakup included. Is there any way of booting into single-user mode with lilo so I can disable sendmail from starting?

Stephen Clower, that guy from the south.
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Re: interesting lockup with Slackware current

[Adam Myrow]

You have to add the word "single" to the boot prompt to boot in
single-user mode.  I.E. assuming your boot entry in Lilo is called Linux,
you would type "Linux single" at the boot prompt.  BTW, when you say
"current" do you mean you downloaded from the Slackware-current directory?
If so, you should be aware that the slack-ware-current directory is
essentially the beta test directory for what will eventually be the newest
version of Slackware.  The latest stable version is 9.1.  They really
ought to rename the current directory to "testing" or something similar.
Anyway, I can't imagine what is causing the lock-up.

Re: fedora and pico

[Roy Nickelson]

hi,
where do I put the smtp server in exim.  I have tried reading the
documentation but it doesn't help.
Roy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shaun Oliver" <shaun.oliver@optusnet.com.au>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: fedora and pico


you don't need to configure mutt to use exim.
not that I remember,
anyone else that's either used exim rpms or compiled exim from source
might be able to help you with this.

-- 
Shaun Oliver


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Re: interesting lockup with Slackware current

[Doug Sutherland]

Sendmail ... "locking up" ... are you sure its not timing out.
This is a common problem. Try letting it sit for a few minutes
and see if sendmail times out and the boot sequence proceeds.

One thing you can try is changing the permissions on the sendmail
startup run control file /etc/rc.d/rc.sendmail. If its send to
not execute (chmod -x) then slackware won't start sendmail.

But that's probably not what you want :)
This problem (sendmail delay) is sometimes due to there being
no localhost defined in the /etc/hosts file. Check yours and
make sure you have in there:

127.0.0.1 localhost

   -- Doug

Re: interesting lockup with Slackware current

[Stephen Clower]

Hi Adam and Doug,
  Thanks a lot for the info. I ended up installing the latest Slackware 9.1 packages, including sendmail. Slack 9.1 is a little dated, but it's stable. I think I'll just wait for the next stable release of the OS instead of breaking anything else.
Regards
Steve

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On 5/31/2004 at 12:23 PM Adam Myrow wrote:

>You have to add the word "single" to the boot prompt to boot in
>single-user mode.  I.E. assuming your boot entry in Lilo is called Linux,
>you would type "Linux single" at the boot prompt.  BTW, when you say
>"current" do you mean you downloaded from the Slackware-current directory?
>If so, you should be aware that the slack-ware-current directory is
>essentially the beta test directory for what will eventually be the newest
>version of Slackware.  The latest stable version is 9.1.  They really
>ought to rename the current directory to "testing" or something similar.
>Anyway, I can't imagine what is causing the lock-up.
>
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Re: fedora and pico

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-722-7209]

Hi,

     Pico is a part of the Pine package.  Packages for Fedora can be found 
at:
ftp://linux-speakup.org/pub/speakup/disks/fedora/<Fedora_Version>/RPMS/
          HTH.
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On Sun, 30 May 2004, Roy Nickelson wrote:

> Hi,
> is pico installed with fedora 2 if I choose everything?  I notice it wasn't
> on my system and I want to make sure I didn't make a wrong choice.
> Roy
> 
> 
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Re: interesting lockup with Slackware current

[Stephen Clower]

Ah well. Slackware 9.1 is up-to-date so far as its own packages are concerned, and things are working beautifully. I'll definitely not be upgrading to Slackware current again unless it's really necessary.
Thanks,
Steve


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On 5/31/2004 at 9:38 PM Doug Sutherland wrote:

>Steve,
>
>I've gone down the road of playing with slackware-current, and that
>basically
>equates to unstable, untested, incompatible, etc. Also, mixing and matching
>the latest stable rev (9.1) with some of the current stuff is dangerous,
>they
>often use different revs of the very basic core stuff like gcc, glibc, and
>binutils (from which everything is built). With slackware, its usually best
>to stick with the latest stable rev, and if you need to upgrade stuff, best
>to build from source.
>
>Regarding your sendmail "lockup", I'm willing to bet that the machine was
>not
>frozen, rather sendmail was confused about some configuration detail
>related
>to networking. Like I said before this is common. That used to happen to me
>in the redhat 5 days. Usually the problem relates to DNS name resolution.
>
>   -- Doug
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Re: interesting lockup with Slackware current

[Doug Sutherland]

Steve,

I've gone down the road of playing with slackware-current, and that basically
equates to unstable, untested, incompatible, etc. Also, mixing and matching
the latest stable rev (9.1) with some of the current stuff is dangerous, they
often use different revs of the very basic core stuff like gcc, glibc, and
binutils (from which everything is built). With slackware, its usually best
to stick with the latest stable rev, and if you need to upgrade stuff, best
to build from source.

Regarding your sendmail "lockup", I'm willing to bet that the machine was not
frozen, rather sendmail was confused about some configuration detail related
to networking. Like I said before this is common. That used to happen to me
in the redhat 5 days. Usually the problem relates to DNS name resolution.

   -- Doug

Re: fedora and pico

[Steve Holmes]

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On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 12:56:52AM +1000, Shaun Oliver wrote:
> you don't need to configure mutt to use exim.
> not that I remember,
> anyone else that's either used exim rpms or compiled exim from source 
> might be able to help you with this.

Mutt does have a variable that is set as a command string to invoke
sendmail along with some other command line arguments.  I should tell
you that when exim is installed by default, it creates a symbolic link
to itself called /usr/sbin/sendmail so the choice of mail transport in
this case should be completely transparent to mutt.  In fact, it is so
on 3 of my machines.  I compiled exim from sources and built a
Slackware compatible package.

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