Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option besides ratpoison, which is great, btw

Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option besides ratpoison, which is great, btw

[blinux-list]

Hi all,


The subject encompassed basically all I wanted to know.


I remember a while ago someone built a talking arch installer using the 
ezarch scripts. On their page they listed i3 as an accessible option, 
but I could never get the thing to install on a VM, and at the time I 
wasn't going to break my Windows install to test it. Now, maybe, but I 
cannot for the life of me remember what that project was called.


If anyone got any tiling WM setups, besides ratpoison to work as they 
should, please let me know.


I really love the way ratpoison doesn't slow this machine down at all.

-- 
Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from the Slint machine using Thunderbird

Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option besides ratpoison, which is great, btw

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Not really a WM...

But I've adapted Strychnine to work with LXDE/LXQT. I couldn't get i3 to 
work and I'm not touching xmonad at all. I'm not sure about Stumpwm 
however....but I've yet to find anything as intuitive as Ratpoison 
personally. If i3 can be made accessible, I'd like that but I'm not 
sure. Wasn't there a github/gitlab bounty for it a while ago?

Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> The subject encompassed basically all I wanted to know.
>
>
> I remember a while ago someone built a talking arch installer using 
> the ezarch scripts. On their page they listed i3 as an accessible 
> option, but I could never get the thing to install on a VM, and at the 
> time I wasn't going to break my Windows install to test it. Now, 
> maybe, but I cannot for the life of me remember what that project was 
> called.
>
>
> If anyone got any tiling WM setups, besides ratpoison to work as they 
> should, please let me know.
>
>
> I really love the way ratpoison doesn't slow this machine down at all.
>

Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option besides ratpoison, which is great, btw

[blinux-list]

Ah well,

As I said, I'm happy with ratpoison or on the console, as I am at the 
moment.

It would be interesting if StumpWM can be modded the same way as 
ratpoison, since it is a fork of ratpoison after all.

I just don't have the mind to do something like that, I'm just an average 
user with an interest in tech.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from the Slint console using Alpine

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 00:11:14 +0000
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option
>     besides ratpoison, which is great, btw
> 
> Not really a WM...
>
> But I've adapted Strychnine to work with LXDE/LXQT. I couldn't get i3 to work 
> and I'm not touching xmonad at all. I'm not sure about Stumpwm however....but 
> I've yet to find anything as intuitive as Ratpoison personally. If i3 can be 
> made accessible, I'd like that but I'm not sure. Wasn't there a github/gitlab 
> bounty for it a while ago?
>
> Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> The subject encompassed basically all I wanted to know.
>> 
>> 
>> I remember a while ago someone built a talking arch installer using the 
>> ezarch scripts. On their page they listed i3 as an accessible option, but I 
>> could never get the thing to install on a VM, and at the time I wasn't 
>> going to break my Windows install to test it. Now, maybe, but I cannot for 
>> the life of me remember what that project was called.
>> 
>> 
>> If anyone got any tiling WM setups, besides ratpoison to work as they 
>> should, please let me know.
>> 
>> 
>> I really love the way ratpoison doesn't slow this machine down at all.
>> 
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>

Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option besides ratpoison, which is great, btw

[blinux-list]

So, on i3's Talk page on the Arch wiki there's discussion about 
accessibility actually

However, I installed it, and it didn't seem to play nice with Orca

Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Ah well,
>
> As I said, I'm happy with ratpoison or on the console, as I am at the 
> moment.
>
> It would be interesting if StumpWM can be modded the same way as 
> ratpoison, since it is a fork of ratpoison after all.
>
> I just don't have the mind to do something like that, I'm just an 
> average user with an interest in tech.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Brandt Steenkamp
>
> Sent from the Slint console using Alpine
>
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 00:11:14 +0000
>> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> To: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> Subject: Re: Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a 
>> better option
>> ??? besides ratpoison, which is great, btw
>>
>> Not really a WM...
>>
>> But I've adapted Strychnine to work with LXDE/LXQT. I couldn't get i3 
>> to work and I'm not touching xmonad at all. I'm not sure about 
>> Stumpwm however....but I've yet to find anything as intuitive as 
>> Ratpoison personally. If i3 can be made accessible, I'd like that but 
>> I'm not sure. Wasn't there a github/gitlab bounty for it a while ago?
>>
>> Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>> The subject encompassed basically all I wanted to know.
>>>
>>>
>>> I remember a while ago someone built a talking arch installer using 
>>> the ezarch scripts. On their page they listed i3 as an accessible 
>>> option, but I could never get the thing to install on a VM, and at 
>>> the time I wasn't going to break my Windows install to test it. Now, 
>>> maybe, but I cannot for the life of me remember what that project 
>>> was called.
>>>
>>>
>>> If anyone got any tiling WM setups, besides ratpoison to work as 
>>> they should, please let me know.
>>>
>>>
>>> I really love the way ratpoison doesn't slow this machine down at all.
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option besides ratpoison, which is great, btw

[blinux-list]

Hello guys,

may be a slightly OT question, but when there is already a discussion
about window managers...


What's an advantage of using these alternative WMs?

Be it Ratpoison, I3 or something else.

Can they do something that Marco (the Mate WM) can not?


Best regards


Rastislav


D?a 7. 2. 2022 o 19:49 Linux for blind general discussion nap?sal(a):
> Hi all,
>
>
> The subject encompassed basically all I wanted to know.
>
>
> I remember a while ago someone built a talking arch installer using the
> ezarch scripts. On their page they listed i3 as an accessible option,
> but I could never get the thing to install on a VM, and at the time I
> wasn't going to break my Windows install to test it. Now, maybe, but I
> cannot for the life of me remember what that project was called.
>
>
> If anyone got any tiling WM setups, besides ratpoison to work as they
> should, please let me know.
>
>
> I really love the way ratpoison doesn't slow this machine down at all.
>
> --
> Warm regards,
>
> Brandt Steenkamp
>
> Sent from the Slint machine using Thunderbird
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option besides ratpoison, which is great, btw

[blinux-list]

I think the point of wanting an accessible ratpoison, i3, etc. setup
is that Gnome and Mate are both fairly hefty environments in terms of
resource usage, and Orca, if you'll pardon the pun, is a whale of a
resource user itself while these alternative window managers are
designed to be as lightweight as their creators could manage.

One of Linux's appeals is breathing new life into old hardware, and
there are many machines that would choke on modern Windows and could
handle either Gnome/Mate or Orca, but can't handle both Gnome/Mate and
Orca and still have enough resources left over for running apps with
acceptable performance. And since the only real alternative to Orca is
ditch the GUI and do everything in the console, the focus for putting
an accessible desktop on old machines tends to be onstripping out
unused parts of the desktop environment and switching the vital
components to lighter weight alternatives.

Also, as its name suggests, ratpoison is built from the ground up with
a keyboard-only, no mouse setup in mind, and blind users tend to fall
into the category of users who don't like using a mouse.

Anyways, I myself am using the fast, light window manager(flwm)... but
I can't really speak to its accessibility since my setup doesn't
include anything remotely resembling a full desktop. Firefox is the
only graphical application I use and I launch it via a script I did
not write and understand next to nothing of how it works that
basically gives me Firefox+orca running as a kiosk on top of
flwm(though, while a true kiosk would prevent closing Firefox, on my
setup, closing firefox ends the xsession and drops back to the
console. The script uses compiz as its default Window manager, but
changing which window manager it uses is the one thing I've figured
out, and flwm was just the smallest window manager I tried that worked
as a drop in replacement... and even then, Firefox+Orca are such a
Behemoth and Leviathan combo that some websites(or having many tabs
open) slow my 4GB Ram, i7 20-something-hundred machine to a crawl(My
system drive being platter based probably doesn't help matters
either).

Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option besides ratpoison, which is great, btw

[blinux-list]

I think the solution is to get xfce accessible and combined with ratpoison
and strychnine on some of this old hardware there might be room for orca
to work well.


On Wed, 9 Feb 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> I think the point of wanting an accessible ratpoison, i3, etc. setup
> is that Gnome and Mate are both fairly hefty environments in terms of
> resource usage, and Orca, if you'll pardon the pun, is a whale of a
> resource user itself while these alternative window managers are
> designed to be as lightweight as their creators could manage.
>
> One of Linux's appeals is breathing new life into old hardware, and
> there are many machines that would choke on modern Windows and could
> handle either Gnome/Mate or Orca, but can't handle both Gnome/Mate and
> Orca and still have enough resources left over for running apps with
> acceptable performance. And since the only real alternative to Orca is
> ditch the GUI and do everything in the console, the focus for putting
> an accessible desktop on old machines tends to be onstripping out
> unused parts of the desktop environment and switching the vital
> components to lighter weight alternatives.
>
> Also, as its name suggests, ratpoison is built from the ground up with
> a keyboard-only, no mouse setup in mind, and blind users tend to fall
> into the category of users who don't like using a mouse.
>
> Anyways, I myself am using the fast, light window manager(flwm)... but
> I can't really speak to its accessibility since my setup doesn't
> include anything remotely resembling a full desktop. Firefox is the
> only graphical application I use and I launch it via a script I did
> not write and understand next to nothing of how it works that
> basically gives me Firefox+orca running as a kiosk on top of
> flwm(though, while a true kiosk would prevent closing Firefox, on my
> setup, closing firefox ends the xsession and drops back to the
> console. The script uses compiz as its default Window manager, but
> changing which window manager it uses is the one thing I've figured
> out, and flwm was just the smallest window manager I tried that worked
> as a drop in replacement... and even then, Firefox+Orca are such a
> Behemoth and Leviathan combo that some websites(or having many tabs
> open) slow my 4GB Ram, i7 20-something-hundred machine to a crawl(My
> system drive being platter based probably doesn't help matters
> either).
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>

Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option besides ratpoison, which is great, btw

[blinux-list]

I've had success with Strychnine set up to start LXDE or XFCE instead of 
Ratpoison, but i3/Stumpwm/Sway seem to not work nicely with Orca. THe 
memory usage for LXDE/Ratpoison seem, at least for me, similarish enough.
Okay LXDE has issues but it is lighter than Mate, LXQT's a little 
heavier and needs a bit more tweaking and XFCE's another option, even if 
personally I don't like XFCE's menu layout.

See if I? could miror Ratpoison's jump to a window with mod4+number 
setup, I'd be set, out of the box without a ton of fiddlingsimilarish,

On 2/9/22 17:09, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I think the solution is to get xfce accessible and combined with ratpoison
> and strychnine on some of this old hardware there might be room for orca
> to work well.
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>
>> I think the point of wanting an accessible ratpoison, i3, etc. setup
>> is that Gnome and Mate are both fairly hefty environments in terms of
>> resource usage, and Orca, if you'll pardon the pun, is a whale of a
>> resource user itself while these alternative window managers are
>> designed to be as lightweight as their creators could manage.
>>
>> One of Linux's appeals is breathing new life into old hardware, and
>> there are many machines that would choke on modern Windows and could
>> handle either Gnome/Mate or Orca, but can't handle both Gnome/Mate and
>> Orca and still have enough resources left over for running apps with
>> acceptable performance. And since the only real alternative to Orca is
>> ditch the GUI and do everything in the console, the focus for putting
>> an accessible desktop on old machines tends to be onstripping out
>> unused parts of the desktop environment and switching the vital
>> components to lighter weight alternatives.
>>
>> Also, as its name suggests, ratpoison is built from the ground up with
>> a keyboard-only, no mouse setup in mind, and blind users tend to fall
>> into the category of users who don't like using a mouse.
>>
>> Anyways, I myself am using the fast, light window manager(flwm)... but
>> I can't really speak to its accessibility since my setup doesn't
>> include anything remotely resembling a full desktop. Firefox is the
>> only graphical application I use and I launch it via a script I did
>> not write and understand next to nothing of how it works that
>> basically gives me Firefox+orca running as a kiosk on top of
>> flwm(though, while a true kiosk would prevent closing Firefox, on my
>> setup, closing firefox ends the xsession and drops back to the
>> console. The script uses compiz as its default Window manager, but
>> changing which window manager it uses is the one thing I've figured
>> out, and flwm was just the smallest window manager I tried that worked
>> as a drop in replacement... and even then, Firefox+Orca are such a
>> Behemoth and Leviathan combo that some websites(or having many tabs
>> open) slow my 4GB Ram, i7 20-something-hundred machine to a crawl(My
>> system drive being platter based probably doesn't help matters
>> either).
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blinux-list mailing list
>> Blinux-list at redhat.com
>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option besides ratpoison, which is great, btw

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I personally don't need a lightweight Window Manager, 16 GB RAM in an I5 
machine from 2020 made sure of that one, but being the minimalist that I 
am, I hate wasting anything, that include resources I may have used for 
something else, even if that would be not using them to save the laptops 
battery.

I, for example, currently have the Rainbowstream Twitter client open in 
TTY1, mpv playing 
an internet station in TTY2 and this alpine in TTY3. I still have quite a few 
TTYs available for use, should I need them.

This is where a WM such as ratpoison would make your life easier, if, for 
example, you don't want to use the CLI based mpv media player, you could 
use VLC in an XSession, or Thunderbird for email in stead of alpine.

I could keep going, but I'll let things go here.

Whatever you like, use it! This is the beauty of running Linux, there's no 
one way to do something.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from the Slint console using Alpine

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 16:04:19 +0000
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option
>     besides ratpoison, which is great, btw
> 
> I think the point of wanting an accessible ratpoison, i3, etc. setup
> is that Gnome and Mate are both fairly hefty environments in terms of
> resource usage, and Orca, if you'll pardon the pun, is a whale of a
> resource user itself while these alternative window managers are
> designed to be as lightweight as their creators could manage.
>
> One of Linux's appeals is breathing new life into old hardware, and
> there are many machines that would choke on modern Windows and could
> handle either Gnome/Mate or Orca, but can't handle both Gnome/Mate and
> Orca and still have enough resources left over for running apps with
> acceptable performance. And since the only real alternative to Orca is
> ditch the GUI and do everything in the console, the focus for putting
> an accessible desktop on old machines tends to be onstripping out
> unused parts of the desktop environment and switching the vital
> components to lighter weight alternatives.
>
> Also, as its name suggests, ratpoison is built from the ground up with
> a keyboard-only, no mouse setup in mind, and blind users tend to fall
> into the category of users who don't like using a mouse.
>
> Anyways, I myself am using the fast, light window manager(flwm)... but
> I can't really speak to its accessibility since my setup doesn't
> include anything remotely resembling a full desktop. Firefox is the
> only graphical application I use and I launch it via a script I did
> not write and understand next to nothing of how it works that
> basically gives me Firefox+orca running as a kiosk on top of
> flwm(though, while a true kiosk would prevent closing Firefox, on my
> setup, closing firefox ends the xsession and drops back to the
> console. The script uses compiz as its default Window manager, but
> changing which window manager it uses is the one thing I've figured
> out, and flwm was just the smallest window manager I tried that worked
> as a drop in replacement... and even then, Firefox+Orca are such a
> Behemoth and Leviathan combo that some websites(or having many tabs
> open) slow my 4GB Ram, i7 20-something-hundred machine to a crawl(My
> system drive being platter based probably doesn't help matters
> either).
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>

Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option besides ratpoison, which is great, btw

[blinux-list]

Hi,

just a few inline comments below

Le 09/02/2022 ? 20:45, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit?:
> 
> I, for example, currently have the Rainbowstream Twitter client open in TTY1,
> mpv playing an internet station in TTY2 and this alpine in TTY3. I still have
> quite a few TTYs available for use, should I need them.

You can  have more than 6 tty if you want. Just edit as root /etc/inittab and
after these lines:

c4:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty4 linux
c5:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux
c6:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux

append similar ones replacing tty6 with tty7, tty8, tty9, etc.
Be careful, a small syntax error in this file can prevent Slint to start <smile>

also you can type startx from any tty, currently this will use tty<n+6>
For instance if you type startx fom tty2 the X session will go in tty8.

You can even start several graphical sessions this way. That the minimalist in
you will probably will not like...

> This is where a WM such as ratpoison would make your life easier, if, for
> example, you don't want to use the CLI based mpv media player, you could use VLC
> in an XSession, or Thunderbird for email in stead of alpine.

You probably know that, but you can as well use mpv as well as vlc in an xsession

Cheers,
Didier
--
Didier Spaier
Slint maintainer

Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option besides ratpoison, which is great, btw

[blinux-list]

Hi Didier,

I have used mpv in xsessions before, but while I'm in there anyway, I'd 
just use VLC. Nothing wrong with using what you like though.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from the Slint console using Alpine

On Wed, 9 Feb 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 21:18:20 +0100
> From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
> To: blinux-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Has anyone gotten i3 accessible yet? or is there a better option
>     besides ratpoison, which is great, btw
> 
> Hi,
>
> just a few inline comments below
>
> Le 09/02/2022 ? 20:45, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit?:
>> 
>> I, for example, currently have the Rainbowstream Twitter client open in TTY1,
>> mpv playing an internet station in TTY2 and this alpine in TTY3. I still have
>> quite a few TTYs available for use, should I need them.
>
> You can  have more than 6 tty if you want. Just edit as root /etc/inittab and
> after these lines:
>
> c4:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty4 linux
> c5:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux
> c6:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux
>
> append similar ones replacing tty6 with tty7, tty8, tty9, etc.
> Be careful, a small syntax error in this file can prevent Slint to start <smile>
>
> also you can type startx from any tty, currently this will use tty<n+6>
> For instance if you type startx fom tty2 the X session will go in tty8.
>
> You can even start several graphical sessions this way. That the minimalist in
> you will probably will not like...
>
>> This is where a WM such as ratpoison would make your life easier, if, for
>> example, you don't want to use the CLI based mpv media player, you could use VLC
>> in an XSession, or Thunderbird for email in stead of alpine.
>
> You probably know that, but you can as well use mpv as well as vlc in an xsession
>
> Cheers,
> Didier
> --
> Didier Spaier
> Slint maintainer
>
>
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