Socrates-and-An Easier OCR?

Socrates-and-An Easier OCR?

[Hart Larry]

Well, I would have asked this on Blinux list, but since Kirk ha developed an 
OCR engine, I am asking here.  I am on the verge of having my scanner working, 
finally.  I really don't know which of the scanning engines, gocr, tesarac, or 
any others, have the best results?  But as important for me, which one, 
including any helpful scripts will make the process simpler?  When I was in 
windows using OpenBook, it was as simple as hitting a space bar to scan.
When I looked in google, I noticed some1 who was updating cunaform, also a 
script called zenity, also, speedy_ocr.  Maybe these are not exact spellings or 
punctuation, but I suppose some of you know what I am looking for?
As far as Socrates, I can still find commands which maybe did grab it in the 
past, but where if anywhere is their a straight download, which would work in 
Debian 2.632?
Also, if there are repos I should include, please inform--and-thanks so much in 
advance
Hart

Re: Socrates-and-An Easier OCR?

[Kirk Reiser]

We haven't done anything with socrates for a long time.  It has no
prebuilt binaries and is only available from cvs.  There is a gnome
package or not a gnome package but a package which runs under gnome
called easyocr on sourceforge.  I believe they have ubuntu deb files
available for it.  Maybe someone has the URL handy I don't.  I can
look it up however if you can't find it.  I don't know anything about
it's quality or ease of use however.

   Kirk

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Hart Larry wrote:

> Well, I would have asked this on Blinux list, but since Kirk ha developed an 
> OCR engine, I am asking here.  I am on the verge of having my scanner 
> working, finally.  I really don't know which of the scanning engines, gocr, 
> tesarac, or any others, have the best results?  But as important for me, 
> which one, including any helpful scripts will make the process simpler?  When 
> I was in windows using OpenBook, it was as simple as hitting a space bar to 
> scan.
> When I looked in google, I noticed some1 who was updating cunaform, also a 
> script called zenity, also, speedy_ocr.  Maybe these are not exact spellings 
> or punctuation, but I suppose some of you know what I am looking for?
> As far as Socrates, I can still find commands which maybe did grab it in the 
> past, but where if anywhere is their a straight download, which would work in 
> Debian 2.632?
> Also, if there are repos I should include, please inform--and-thanks so much 
> in advance
> Hart
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Re: Socrates-and-An Easier OCR?

[Willem van der Walt]

Hi Hart,
The kies package I have released has a set of scripts like you describe.
It is called kies_p2t for kies_paper to text.
It supports multiple OCR engines.
Tesseract is good and cuneiform IMHO is the best, also allowing for 
decolumnization.
For 140 euro, one can buy abbyyfinereader, a good commercial engine.
You can get kies from:
ftp://ftp.csir.co.za/MI/National_Accessibility_Portal/wvdwalt/kies-latest.tar.bz2
HTH, Willem


On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Hart Larry wrote:

> Well, I would have asked this on Blinux list, but since Kirk ha developed an 
> OCR engine, I am asking here.  I am on the verge of having my scanner 
> working, finally.  I really don't know which of the scanning engines, gocr, 
> tesarac, or any others, have the best results?  But as important for me, 
> which one, including any helpful scripts will make the process simpler?  When 
> I was in windows using OpenBook, it was as simple as hitting a space bar to 
> scan.
> When I looked in google, I noticed some1 who was updating cunaform, also a 
> script called zenity, also, speedy_ocr.  Maybe these are not exact spellings 
> or punctuation, but I suppose some of you know what I am looking for?
> As far as Socrates, I can still find commands which maybe did grab it in the 
> past, but where if anywhere is their a straight download, which would work in 
> Debian 2.632?
> Also, if there are repos I should include, please inform--and-thanks so much 
> in advance
> Hart
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: Socrates-and-An Easier OCR?

[Steve Holmes]

Is it posible to use a TWAIN style scanner with Linux? I know SANE has
been prefered but I baught a Epson scanner recently and I then
discovered that it is a TWAIN instead.  Do I have any Linux options
for this scanner? I use it with DocuScan on Windows from Serotek.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:07:06AM +0200, Willem van der Walt wrote:
> Hi Hart,
> The kies package I have released has a set of scripts like you describe.
> It is called kies_p2t for kies_paper to text.
> It supports multiple OCR engines.
> Tesseract is good and cuneiform IMHO is the best, also allowing for
> decolumnization.
> For 140 euro, one can buy abbyyfinereader, a good commercial engine.
> You can get kies from:
> ftp://ftp.csir.co.za/MI/National_Accessibility_Portal/wvdwalt/kies-latest.tar.bz2
> HTH, Willem
> 
> 
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Hart Larry wrote:
> 
> >Well, I would have asked this on Blinux list, but since Kirk ha
> >developed an OCR engine, I am asking here.  I am on the verge of
> >having my scanner working, finally.  I really don't know which of
> >the scanning engines, gocr, tesarac, or any others, have the best
> >results?  But as important for me, which one, including any
> >helpful scripts will make the process simpler?  When I was in
> >windows using OpenBook, it was as simple as hitting a space bar to
> >scan.
> >When I looked in google, I noticed some1 who was updating
> >cunaform, also a script called zenity, also, speedy_ocr.  Maybe
> >these are not exact spellings or punctuation, but I suppose some
> >of you know what I am looking for?
> >As far as Socrates, I can still find commands which maybe did grab
> >it in the past, but where if anywhere is their a straight
> >download, which would work in Debian 2.632?
> >Also, if there are repos I should include, please
> >inform--and-thanks so much in advance
> >Hart
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Re: Socrates-and-An Easier OCR?

[Willem van der Walt]

Hi Steve,
You should be able to get your Epson to scan using sane.
Is it USB?
What happens if you give the command:
scanimage -L
under the console in Linux?
The best is to google with your scanner name and model and sane.
HTH, Willem



On Fri, 16 Sep 2011, Steve Holmes wrote:

> Is it posible to use a TWAIN style scanner with Linux? I know SANE has
> been prefered but I baught a Epson scanner recently and I then
> discovered that it is a TWAIN instead.  Do I have any Linux options
> for this scanner? I use it with DocuScan on Windows from Serotek.
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:07:06AM +0200, Willem van der Walt wrote:
>> Hi Hart,
>> The kies package I have released has a set of scripts like you describe.
>> It is called kies_p2t for kies_paper to text.
>> It supports multiple OCR engines.
>> Tesseract is good and cuneiform IMHO is the best, also allowing for
>> decolumnization.
>> For 140 euro, one can buy abbyyfinereader, a good commercial engine.
>> You can get kies from:
>> ftp://ftp.csir.co.za/MI/National_Accessibility_Portal/wvdwalt/kies-latest.tar.bz2
>> HTH, Willem
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011, Hart Larry wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I would have asked this on Blinux list, but since Kirk ha
>>> developed an OCR engine, I am asking here.  I am on the verge of
>>> having my scanner working, finally.  I really don't know which of
>>> the scanning engines, gocr, tesarac, or any others, have the best
>>> results?  But as important for me, which one, including any
>>> helpful scripts will make the process simpler?  When I was in
>>> windows using OpenBook, it was as simple as hitting a space bar to
>>> scan.
>>> When I looked in google, I noticed some1 who was updating
>>> cunaform, also a script called zenity, also, speedy_ocr.  Maybe
>>> these are not exact spellings or punctuation, but I suppose some
>>> of you know what I am looking for?
>>> As far as Socrates, I can still find commands which maybe did grab
>>> it in the past, but where if anywhere is their a straight
>>> download, which would work in Debian 2.632?
>>> Also, if there are repos I should include, please
>>> inform--and-thanks so much in advance
>>> Hart
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>>
>>
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Re: Socrates-and-An Easier OCR?

[Steve Holmes]

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 01:44:52PM +0200, Willem van der Walt wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> You should be able to get your Epson to scan using sane.
> Is it USB?

Yes.

> What happens if you give the command:
> scanimage -L
> under the console in Linux?

I get the following.
Script started on Thu 22 Sep 2011 05:34:19 PM PDT
steve@linlap ~$ scanimage -L

No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something different,
check that the scanner is plugged in, turned on and detected by the
sane-find-scanner tool (if appropriate). Please read the documentation
which came with this software (README, FAQ, manpages).
steve@linlap ~$ sane-find-scanner

  # sane-find-scanner will now attempt to detect your scanner. If the
  # result is different from what you expected, first make sure your
  # scanner is powered up and properly connected to your computer.

  # No SCSI scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that
  # you have loaded a kernel SCSI driver for your SCSI adapter.

libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/001/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/001/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8 [EPSON], product=0x013a [EPSON Scanner]) at libusb:001:002
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/002/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/002/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/002/002: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/002/002: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/003/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/003/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/004/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/004/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/005/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/005/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/006/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/006/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/007/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/007/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/008/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
libusb couldn't open USB device /dev/bus/usb/008/001: Permission denied.
libusb requires write access to USB device nodes.
  # Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be supported by
  # SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage.

  # Not checking for parallel port scanners.

  # Most Scanners connected to the parallel port or other proprietary ports
  # can't be detected by this program.

  # You may want to run this program as root to find all devices. Once you
  # found the scanner devices, be sure to adjust access permissions as
  # necessary.
steve@linlap ~$ exit
exit
OK, I see that I should have done this as root.  Anyway, I do know the
USB connection is good because there were a couple lines showed up in
dmesg but said nothing about a scanner; just that a new usb device was
connected.

Script done on Thu 22 Sep 2011 05:35:33 PM PDT

Re: Socrates-and-An Easier OCR?

[Steve Holmes]

OK, I ran the two commands again as root and 'sane-find-scanner'
yielded some interesting info but scanimage did not.  See the
typescript I included below.

Script started on Thu 22 Sep 2011 05:48:19 PM PDT
root@linlap ~# scanimage -L

No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something different,
check that the scanner is plugged in, turned on and detected by the
sane-find-scanner tool (if appropriate). Please read the documentation
which came with this software (README, FAQ, manpages).
root@linlap ~# sane-find-scanner

  # sane-find-scanner will now attempt to detect your scanner. If the
  # result is different from what you expected, first make sure your
  # scanner is powered up and properly connected to your computer.

  # No SCSI scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that
  # you have loaded a kernel SCSI driver for your SCSI adapter.

found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8 [EPSON], product=0x013a [EPSON Scanner]) at libusb:001:002
  # Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be supported by
  # SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage.

  # Not checking for parallel port scanners.

  # Most Scanners connected to the parallel port or other proprietary ports
  # can't be detected by this program.
root@linlap ~# exit
exit

Script done on Thu 22 Sep 2011 05:51:02 PM PDT

Re: Socrates-and-An Easier OCR?

[Willem van der Walt]

Hi,
I had to change some things in /etc/sane*/somefile.conf, not epson, my 
epson uses another thing.
I also had to extract some firmware from the windows driver, but it was 
all documented in the sane manuals.
I did this so long ago that I am not exactly sure of what I had to do, but 
maybe it helps.
Try googling for your model scanner and sane.
HTH, Willem


On Thu, 22 Sep 2011, Steve Holmes wrote:

> OK, I ran the two commands again as root and 'sane-find-scanner'
> yielded some interesting info but scanimage did not.  See the
> typescript I included below.
>
> Script started on Thu 22 Sep 2011 05:48:19 PM PDT
> root@linlap ~# scanimage -L
>
> No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something different,
> check that the scanner is plugged in, turned on and detected by the
> sane-find-scanner tool (if appropriate). Please read the documentation
> which came with this software (README, FAQ, manpages).
> root@linlap ~# sane-find-scanner
>
>  # sane-find-scanner will now attempt to detect your scanner. If the
>  # result is different from what you expected, first make sure your
>  # scanner is powered up and properly connected to your computer.
>
>  # No SCSI scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that
>  # you have loaded a kernel SCSI driver for your SCSI adapter.
>
> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8 [EPSON], product=0x013a [EPSON Scanner]) at libusb:001:002
>  # Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be supported by
>  # SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage.
>
>  # Not checking for parallel port scanners.
>
>  # Most Scanners connected to the parallel port or other proprietary ports
>  # can't be detected by this program.
> root@linlap ~# exit
> exit
>
> Script done on Thu 22 Sep 2011 05:51:02 PM PDT
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