* espeakup.iso install failure
@ Jude DaShiell
` Cheryl Homiak
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0 siblings, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Jude DaShiell @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
I tried installing espeakup.iso and came up with the same problem I had
with mini-beep.iso, no modules found for distribution being installed. I
tried installing with testing; stable, and unstable and had identical
results. I'm going to have to find an older ethernet card and install it
to make this work. Fortunately I have something that's positively ancient
hopefully pci too but I'll have to check that. This was also tried with
ftp.us.debian.com, so am pretty certain the installer didn't properly
detect the failure with the ethernet card and also failed to either detect
or take account of the missing release file. The other unfortunate thing
about squeeze for those of us with intel sound cards is that squeeze can't
detect them or configure them. This was not the case with lenny before
sid.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread* Re: espeakup.iso install failure espeakup.iso install failure Jude DaShiell @ ` Cheryl Homiak ` Kerry Hoath ` Samuel Thibault 2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Cheryl Homiak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Did you try a bunch of different mirrors? I recall that when I was using an old speakup-enabled iso some time ago I just kept trying different mirrors; sometimes a mirror had none of the modules; sometimes some were downloaded and then I'd have to switch mirrors to find more. I finally found one mirror that had pretty much everything that was needed and was able to install successfully. As I say, this was quite a while ago, so I don't know if this approach would help in your situation or not. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: espeakup.iso install failure espeakup.iso install failure Jude DaShiell ` Cheryl Homiak @ ` Kerry Hoath ` Gregory Nowak ` Samuel Thibault 2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Kerry Hoath @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Excuse me for possibly missing the point here and I appologize if you have allready thought of the following. I'm assuming you wish to install a release of Debian onto a box and you only have software speech or an ethernet card to hand for whatever reason. Latest stable Debian has boot media with support for speakup and hardware speech, no use here. How about booting grml 2008.11 with the options grml swspeak=espeak and then debootstrapping a release of Debian onto the blank hard disk? I have not tried this myself however documentation seems to indicate it is possible. You could get the installed system configured for network card and telnet in afterwoods and install the speakup modules and parafinalia. You could also ssh into the box if you pass the correct ssh options to grml and work on the box remotely bypassing the need for software speech. I also use a ubuntu system installed to an extermal USB hard disk assuming your bios can boot USB or you have a boot loader with initrd set up. The external hard disk runs the Linux system then I can use it to mirror, copy, format and erase partitions on my netbooks, hp mininote, eeepc 701, msi wind etc. It's also magic for running ntfs-clone to image up Linux partitions. It is possible that you can also run Ubuntu or Debian off a flash drive, 2-4gb drives are usually big enough although write speeds are low. this gives you Linux in your pocket and you can install grml to a flash disk as well. I personally know of no current method to install Debian off a cd with software speech; i'm happy to be corrected on this. Ubuntu can be installed with gnome and orca; not really an option on older or less capable hardware. I believe the stumbling block is the loading, detecting and configuration of soundcards at install time, something that can bring even the best system down if not done correctly. If you think about it Windows doesn't even do this until well into the install. There is a case however for supporting a subset of soundcards or for example a USB sound device during install; I guess nobody has worked on this as of yet. It would mean a whole slew of dependancies and extra non-standard crud in the boot media. Certainly a win for accessability but a loose for space saving reasons and possible instability. The only reason apple gets away with this is they make all their own hardware; they know what soundcards to expect, which quirks to work around and how to recover from grief 90% of the time. Yes i've seen g4 macs where voiceover won't launch at install time so it's not perfect. Just my thoughts. Regards, Kerry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel@shellworld.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:58 AM Subject: espeakup.iso install failure >I tried installing espeakup.iso and came up with the same problem I had >with mini-beep.iso, no modules found for distribution being installed. I >tried installing with testing; stable, and unstable and had identical >results. I'm going to have to find an older ethernet card and install it >to make this work. Fortunately I have something that's positively ancient >hopefully pci too but I'll have to check that. This was also tried with >ftp.us.debian.com, so am pretty certain the installer didn't properly >detect the failure with the ethernet card and also failed to either detect >or take account of the missing release file. The other unfortunate thing >about squeeze for those of us with intel sound cards is that squeeze can't >detect them or configure them. This was not the case with lenny before >sid. > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: espeakup.iso install failure ` Kerry Hoath @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 03:57:36PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote: > I personally know of no current method to install Debian off a cd with > software speech; i'm happy to be corrected on this. Such a method doesn't exist as far as I know, however debian has the ability to do an automatic install based on a config file. http://www.debian.org/./releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkn+CVQACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyBZTQCcD9PEbaD1E/vrrNqJxDvjb6I4 EmIAnRDJ5r6B6KtzruWBRaFZ7xTofy2c =QFpa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: espeakup.iso install failure ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Samuel Thibault 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Gregory Nowak, le Sun 03 May 2009 14:15:01 -0700, a écrit : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 03:57:36PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote: > > I personally know of no current method to install Debian off a cd with > > software speech; i'm happy to be corrected on this. > > Such a method doesn't exist as far as I know, It's being developped for Squeeze. There's a preliminary image available on http://dept-info.labri.fr/~thibault/tmp/espeakup.iso Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: espeakup.iso install failure espeakup.iso install failure Jude DaShiell ` Cheryl Homiak ` Kerry Hoath @ ` Samuel Thibault ` USB Audio Device Suggestions? Cory Martin 2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Samuel Thibault @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Jude DaShiell, le Sat 02 May 2009 20:58:18 -0400, a écrit : > I tried installing espeakup.iso and came up with the same problem I had > with mini-beep.iso, no modules found for distribution being installed. What do you mean? > The other unfortunate thing about squeeze for those of us with intel > sound cards is that squeeze can't detect them or configure them. You mean the _installer_ or the installed system? In espeakup.iso I had missed the intel sound modules. Samuel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* USB Audio Device Suggestions? ` Samuel Thibault @ ` Cory Martin ` Michael Whapples 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Cory Martin @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Hello, Can anyone recommend a good inexpensive USB Sound device that works with both Linux (GRML) and Windows? Preferably without needing any specific drivers to be installed for it to work under either operating system? Thanks, Cory ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: USB Audio Device Suggestions? ` USB Audio Device Suggestions? Cory Martin @ ` Michael Whapples ` Alex Snow ` Lorenzo Taylor 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Michael Whapples @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. You may wish to look at the ALSA preferred soundcards page at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Alsa_Preferred_Soundcards and the ALSA soundcard matrix (linked to from the preferred soundcards page). I have a SoundBlaster Audigy2 NX. It works under Linux and as I remember (I haven't used it for a bit) there is a problem with 44.1 KHz sample rates although it worked fine for other sample rates with ALSA. It does work under windows but requires the creative labs drivers (Windows may include them now, I don't know, windows certainly needed creative's drivers when I bought it). Also as a note (remembering your other recent question) the audigy2 NX needs a power connection. I don't know whether the audigy2 NX is what you need, its the only USB audio device I personally have had experience with, may be those two references will help you choose something suitable. Michael Whapples On 23/12/42 19:59, Cory Martin wrote: > Hello, > Can anyone recommend a good inexpensive USB Sound device that works > with both Linux (GRML) and Windows? Preferably without needing any specific > drivers to be installed for it to work under either operating system? > Thanks, > Cory > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: USB Audio Device Suggestions? ` Michael Whapples @ ` Alex Snow ` Lorenzo Taylor 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. How much do you want to spend, and how good do you want the quality to be? I picked up a USB audio adapter for about $3 shipped from some unknown chinese manufacturer on ebay a few months ago, and it uses the generic usb audio drivers for both windows and linux. Quality is pretty crappy but it does what I need (gives me basic audio on computers without audio drivers for their primary soundcard installed). YMMV... -- We use Linux for all our mission-critical applications. Having the source code means that we are not held hostage by anyone's support department. -- Russell Nelson, President of Crynwr Software ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: USB Audio Device Suggestions? ` Michael Whapples ` Alex Snow @ ` Lorenzo Taylor ` Hart Larry 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Lorenzo Taylor @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I have a SoundBlaster mp3. It's probably rather old if you can still find one, but it works great. Plug it into Linux and it works. Plug it into windows XP and it works. It's one of very few sound devices that don't need 3rd-party drivers in Windows. Even most onboard chips need drivers, but the SoundBlaster mp3 doesn't. And it's USB powered, so no extra plugs are needed. It's perfect for a laptop. IIRC, I believe I paid about $35 for mine, and it may be less now, so won't break the bank. HTH, Lorenzo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: USB Audio Device Suggestions? ` Lorenzo Taylor @ ` Hart Larry 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Hart Larry @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I completely agree with Lorenzo, as I think we both have the same sound-card. Only gripes I have are that I seem to have no way in alsa to increase treble, unless I use the graphic equalizer in m player. I really would like a brighter sound any time, any player. Other thing, sometimes with all 24 consoles running, sound-card will not play until I exit all consoles-and-login again. Hart ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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