espeakup.iso install failure

espeakup.iso install failure

[Jude DaShiell]

I tried installing espeakup.iso and came up with the same problem I had 
with mini-beep.iso, no modules found for distribution being installed.  I 
tried installing with testing; stable, and unstable and had identical 
results.  I'm going to have to find an older ethernet card and install it 
to make this work.  Fortunately I have something that's positively ancient 
hopefully pci too but I'll have to check that.  This was also tried with 
ftp.us.debian.com, so am pretty certain the installer didn't properly 
detect the failure with the ethernet card and also failed to either detect 
or take account of the missing release file. The other unfortunate thing 
about squeeze for those of us with intel sound cards is that squeeze can't 
detect them or configure them.  This was not the case with lenny before 
sid.

Re: espeakup.iso install failure

[Cheryl Homiak]

Did you try a bunch of different mirrors? I recall that when I was using 
an old speakup-enabled iso some time ago I just kept trying different 
mirrors; sometimes a mirror had none of the modules; sometimes some were 
downloaded and then I'd have to switch mirrors to find more. I finally 
found one mirror that had pretty much everything that was needed and was 
able to install successfully. As I say, this was quite a while ago, so I 
don't know if this approach would help in your situation or not.





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Cheryl

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Re: espeakup.iso install failure

[Kerry Hoath]

Excuse me for possibly missing the point here and I appologize if you have 
allready thought of the following.
I'm assuming you wish to install a release of Debian onto a box and you only 
have software speech or an ethernet card to hand for whatever reason.
Latest stable Debian has boot media with support for speakup and hardware 
speech, no use here.
How about booting grml 2008.11 with the options
grml swspeak=espeak

and then debootstrapping a release of Debian onto the blank hard disk? I 
have not tried this myself however documentation seems to indicate it is 
possible.
You could get the installed system configured for network card and telnet in 
afterwoods and install the speakup modules and parafinalia.

You could also ssh into the box if you pass the correct ssh options to grml 
and work on the box remotely bypassing the need for software speech.

I also use a ubuntu system installed to an extermal  USB hard disk assuming 
your bios can boot USB or you have a boot loader with initrd set up.

The external hard disk runs the Linux system then I can use it to mirror, 
copy, format and erase partitions on my netbooks, hp mininote, eeepc 701, 
msi wind etc.
It's also magic for running ntfs-clone to image up Linux partitions.
It is possible that you can also run Ubuntu or Debian off a flash drive, 
2-4gb drives are usually big enough although write speeds are low.
this gives you Linux in your pocket and you can install grml to a flash disk 
as well.

I personally know of no current method to install Debian off a cd with 
software speech; i'm happy to be corrected on this.
Ubuntu can be installed with gnome and orca; not really an option on older 
or less capable hardware.
I believe the stumbling block is the loading, detecting and configuration of 
soundcards at install time, something that can bring even the best system 
down if not done correctly.
If you think about it Windows doesn't even do this until well into the 
install.
There is a case however for supporting a subset of soundcards or for example 
a USB sound device during install; I guess nobody has worked on this as of 
yet. It would mean a whole slew of dependancies and extra non-standard crud 
in the boot media.
Certainly a win for accessability but a loose for space saving reasons and 
possible instability.

The only reason apple gets away with this is they make all their own 
hardware; they know what soundcards to expect, which quirks to work around 
and how to recover from grief 90% of the time.
Yes i've seen g4 macs where voiceover won't launch at install time so it's 
not perfect.

Just my thoughts.

Regards, Kerry.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:58 AM
Subject: espeakup.iso install failure


>I tried installing espeakup.iso and came up with the same problem I had 
>with mini-beep.iso, no modules found for distribution being installed.  I 
>tried installing with testing; stable, and unstable and had identical 
>results.  I'm going to have to find an older ethernet card and install it 
>to make this work.  Fortunately I have something that's positively ancient 
>hopefully pci too but I'll have to check that.  This was also tried with 
>ftp.us.debian.com, so am pretty certain the installer didn't properly 
>detect the failure with the ethernet card and also failed to either detect 
>or take account of the missing release file. The other unfortunate thing 
>about squeeze for those of us with intel sound cards is that squeeze can't 
>detect them or configure them.  This was not the case with lenny before 
>sid.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: espeakup.iso install failure

[Samuel Thibault]

Jude DaShiell, le Sat 02 May 2009 20:58:18 -0400, a écrit :
> I tried installing espeakup.iso and came up with the same problem I had 
> with mini-beep.iso, no modules found for distribution being installed.

What do you mean?

> The other unfortunate thing about squeeze for those of us with intel  
> sound cards is that squeeze can't detect them or configure them.      

You mean the _installer_ or the installed system?

In espeakup.iso I had missed the intel sound modules.

Samuel

USB Audio Device Suggestions?

[Cory Martin]

	Hello,
	Can anyone recommend a good inexpensive USB Sound device that works
with both Linux (GRML) and Windows?  Preferably without needing any specific
drivers to be installed for it to work under either operating system?
Thanks,
Cory

Re: espeakup.iso install failure

[Gregory Nowak]

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On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 03:57:36PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> I personally know of no current method to install Debian off a cd with  
> software speech; i'm happy to be corrected on this.

Such a method doesn't exist as far as I know, however debian has
the ability to do an automatic install based on a config file.

http://www.debian.org/./releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en

Greg


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Re: espeakup.iso install failure

[Samuel Thibault]

Gregory Nowak, le Sun 03 May 2009 14:15:01 -0700, a écrit :
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> On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 03:57:36PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote:
> > I personally know of no current method to install Debian off a cd with  
> > software speech; i'm happy to be corrected on this.
> 
> Such a method doesn't exist as far as I know,

It's being developped for Squeeze. There's a preliminary image available
on
http://dept-info.labri.fr/~thibault/tmp/espeakup.iso

Samuel

Re: USB Audio Device Suggestions?

[Michael Whapples]

You may wish to look at the ALSA preferred soundcards page at 
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Alsa_Preferred_Soundcards and the ALSA 
soundcard matrix (linked to from the preferred soundcards page).

I have a SoundBlaster Audigy2 NX. It works under Linux and as I remember 
(I haven't used it for a bit) there is a problem with 44.1 KHz sample 
rates although it worked fine for other sample rates with ALSA. It does 
work under windows but requires the creative labs drivers (Windows may 
include them now, I don't know, windows certainly  needed creative's 
drivers when I bought it). Also as a note (remembering your other recent 
question) the audigy2 NX needs a power connection. I don't know whether 
the audigy2 NX is what you need, its the only USB audio device I 
personally have had experience with, may be those two references will 
help you choose something suitable.

Michael Whapples
On 23/12/42 19:59, Cory Martin wrote:
>   Hello,
>   Can anyone recommend a good inexpensive USB Sound device that works
> with both Linux (GRML) and Windows?  Preferably without needing any specific
> drivers to be installed for it to work under either operating system?
> Thanks,
> Cory
>
>
>
>    

Re: USB Audio Device Suggestions?

[Alex Snow]

How much do you want to spend, and how good do you want the quality to 
be? I picked up a USB audio adapter for about $3 shipped from some 
unknown chinese manufacturer on ebay a few months ago, and it uses the 
generic usb audio drivers for both windows and linux.  Quality is pretty 
crappy but it does what I need (gives me basic audio on computers 
without audio drivers for their primary soundcard installed).
YMMV...

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means that we are not held hostage by anyone's support department.
	-- Russell Nelson, President of Crynwr Software

Re: USB Audio Device Suggestions?

[Lorenzo Taylor]

I have a SoundBlaster mp3. It's probably rather old if you can still find one, 
but it works great. Plug it into Linux and it works. Plug it into windows XP and 
it works. It's one of very few sound devices that don't need 3rd-party drivers 
in Windows. Even most onboard chips need drivers, but the SoundBlaster mp3 
doesn't. And it's USB powered, so no extra plugs are needed. It's perfect for a 
laptop. IIRC, I believe I paid about $35 for mine, and it may be less now, so 
won't break the bank.

HTH,
Lorenzo

Re: USB Audio Device Suggestions?

[Hart Larry]

I completely agree with Lorenzo, as I think we both have the same sound-card. 
Only gripes I have are that I seem to have no way in alsa to increase treble, 
unless I use the graphic equalizer in m player.  I really would like a brighter 
sound any time, any player.
Other thing, sometimes with all 24 consoles running, sound-card will not play 
until I exit all consoles-and-login again.
Hart