Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10

Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10

[Darragh]

Hello,

I've been  working on installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10.

I got the kernel sources, patched it with speakup, did the usual make,
make modules_install and make install etc.
For some reason, the kernel compilation in Ubuntu differs from that in
OpenSuSE so I also had to create an initrd and add the grub entry using
grub-install.

When I boot I get a kernel panic.  I know I'm not being very specific
there however my question is:

Has any one manually installed speakup in to the Ubuntu 2.6.22.9 kernel?
Any suggestions or tips?

Tonight if I get time I'll download the 2.6.23 kernel from kernel.org.

Oh, while I'm at it, are the 2.6.24 or 2.6.25 kernels supported yet?

Thanks

Darragh
Blog at www.digitaldarragh.com

Re: Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10

[Kirk Reiser]

I would recommend getting the latest tar ball from kernel.org and
patch that with the speakup git repository.  Then use the
/proc/config.gz from your currently running ubuntu to get the basic
ubuntu kernel configuration and only answer the newer options when
doing a make oldconfig.  This will get you as close as possible to a
standard ubuntu kernel set-up.  You can then change your grub
configuration to pass the speakup.synth parametre in your grub.conf
for your preferred synth.  You could also just load the speakup_xxxx
module from /etc/modules if having it built-in isn't really inportant
to you.




Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10

[Tony Baechler]

Darragh wrote:
> Has any one manually installed speakup in to the Ubuntu 2.6.22.9 kernel?
> Any suggestions or tips?
>   



Hi,

This is probably a waste of time, but what if you try the 2.6.23 kernel
image from grml?  I only suggest it because it has Speakup built-in.  I
have no idea if it would work or not but I would be interested in
finding out.  I'm not running Ubuntu.  Look at http://deb.grml.org/ and
look in the linux-image-* directories.  You could also add the grml
repository to /etc/apt/sources.list.  Of course if you don't have
speech, none of this probably does any good.  I have no idea how Ubuntu
kernels differ from Debian or how grml differs from either.

Re: Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10

[Kristoffer Gustafsson]

Hello!
I'm planning to do the same thing. how do you patch the kernel from the 
repository?
Also, is using that config.gz file the same as make oldconfig?

/Kristoffer
I've not seen any information on the speakup site. only the cvs information.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
To: <d@digitaldarragh.com>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10


>I would recommend getting the latest tar ball from kernel.org and
> patch that with the speakup git repository.  Then use the
> /proc/config.gz from your currently running ubuntu to get the basic
> ubuntu kernel configuration and only answer the newer options when
> doing a make oldconfig.  This will get you as close as possible to a
> standard ubuntu kernel set-up.  You can then change your grub
> configuration to pass the speakup.synth parametre in your grub.conf
> for your preferred synth.  You could also just load the speakup_xxxx
> module from /etc/modules if having it built-in isn't really inportant
> to you.
>
>
>
>
> Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10

[Kirk Reiser]

The web pages have not been updated to reflect the latest changes to
speakup.  I thought we had someone that was going to take on updating
the pages but haven't heard anything from him recently.

As for instructions they are in the repository which can be accessed
with git clone http://linux-speakup.org/speakup.git.  I wouldn't say
it is really ready for prime-time yet though.  There are still issues
we are working out which can also be read about in the various files
in the repository.

/proc/config.gz is not a replacement for make oldconfig just a
starting place.  If you don't understand this already then compiling
your own kernel with external patches maybe beyond your capabilities
currently.  There are lots of documents in the linux kernel tree so
there's plenty of reading to keep folks busy wanting to do it
themselves.

   Kirk
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e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10

[Kristoffer Gustafsson]

Hello!
I've patched speakup with kernels before, compiled it and got it to work.

But it is long ago now. The last time I got my own kernel to work was in 
2004. when there was a working speakup tarball.
/Kristoffer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10


> The web pages have not been updated to reflect the latest changes to
> speakup.  I thought we had someone that was going to take on updating
> the pages but haven't heard anything from him recently.
>
> As for instructions they are in the repository which can be accessed
> with git clone http://linux-speakup.org/speakup.git.  I wouldn't say
> it is really ready for prime-time yet though.  There are still issues
> we are working out which can also be read about in the various files
> in the repository.
>
> /proc/config.gz is not a replacement for make oldconfig just a
> starting place.  If you don't understand this already then compiling
> your own kernel with external patches maybe beyond your capabilities
> currently.  There are lots of documents in the linux kernel tree so
> there's plenty of reading to keep folks busy wanting to do it
> themselves.
>
>   Kirk
> --
> Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10

[Daniel Dalton]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote:

> Hello!
> I've patched speakup with kernels before, compiled it and got it to work.
>
> But it is long ago now. The last time I got my own kernel to work was in
> 2004. when there was a working speakup tarball.

Just use the patch from ftp://speakupmodified.org/
with a 2.6.23 kernel...
And that is a stable version.

Also use your old kernel config so you don't have to answer 1000 questions 
just 100. :-)
I would just apt-get install the latest kernel in your distro's repo, 
reboot and copy the config file and then build my kernel (2.6.23) with 
make oldconfig.
I have an irc log that I can give you with a conversation on this.
But you will loose speakup in the newly installed kernel from apt.
So its a good idea to adjust grub once installed. So you have speech and 
the config file...

The irc log goes through building the kernel start to finish.
And talks about make oldconfig and menuconfig...

-- 
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http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10

[Daniel Dalton]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Tony Baechler wrote:

> Darragh wrote:
>> Has any one manually installed speakup in to the Ubuntu 2.6.22.9 kernel?
>> Any suggestions or tips?
>>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> This is probably a waste of time, but what if you try the 2.6.23 kernel
> image from grml?  I only suggest it because it has Speakup built-in.  I
> have no idea if it would work or not but I would be interested in
> finding out.  I'm not running Ubuntu.  Look at http://deb.grml.org/ and
> look in the linux-image-* directories.  You could also add the grml
> repository to /etc/apt/sources.list.  Of course if you don't have
> speech, none of this probably does any good.  I have no idea how Ubuntu
> kernels differ from Debian or how grml differs from either.

Perhaps just patches.

Then might as well try my 2.6.23 kernel.
Tell me if you want it its a .deb and I'll upload it somewhere...
Its about 18 mb and to install you would just do:
sudo dpkg -i linux-image2.6*.deb
(Can't remember the rest of the file name.)

And that does grub too!


-- 
Daniel Dalton

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10

[Kristoffer Gustafsson]

Hello!

Yes, that log would be very helpful.

I can upload the kernel to my domain, then any person who wants it can go 
and download it from there.

I've got a username and a password to my ftp site wich I'm planning to have 
debian packages on, I can give that to you if you want. you can upload the 
kernel there, and then I'll move it to my domain, so that any person who 
wants it can get it.

/Kristoffer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Dalton" <d.dalton@iinet.net.au>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10


> On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Tony Baechler wrote:
>
>> Darragh wrote:
>>> Has any one manually installed speakup in to the Ubuntu 2.6.22.9 kernel?
>>> Any suggestions or tips?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is probably a waste of time, but what if you try the 2.6.23 kernel
>> image from grml?  I only suggest it because it has Speakup built-in.  I
>> have no idea if it would work or not but I would be interested in
>> finding out.  I'm not running Ubuntu.  Look at http://deb.grml.org/ and
>> look in the linux-image-* directories.  You could also add the grml
>> repository to /etc/apt/sources.list.  Of course if you don't have
>> speech, none of this probably does any good.  I have no idea how Ubuntu
>> kernels differ from Debian or how grml differs from either.
>
> Perhaps just patches.
>
> Then might as well try my 2.6.23 kernel.
> Tell me if you want it its a .deb and I'll upload it somewhere...
> Its about 18 mb and to install you would just do:
> sudo dpkg -i linux-image2.6*.deb
> (Can't remember the rest of the file name.)
>
> And that does grub too!
>
>
> -- 
> Daniel Dalton
>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
> d.dalton@iinet.net.au
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10

[Steve Holmes]

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I used git for the first time yesterday so was able to download the
latest speakup for that moment.  I do have some questions now.  Is
this locked to 2.6.24 kernels? I saw reference to 2.6.24 in the build
script and if I recall, there was a 2.6.24 file in the mix.

What is the difference between the tarball the makedist builds and
just tarring up the speakup folder from git?

Also, you mentioned that you can only select a single synth.  Does
this mean you can only build one module per compilation or can you
build all the modules you want? Does the restriction apply to static
compilations?

I guess the serial port stuff is working again, right?


Thanks for clarifying.

On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 11:09:49AM -0400, Kirk Reiser wrote:
> The web pages have not been updated to reflect the latest changes to
> speakup.  I thought we had someone that was going to take on updating
> the pages but haven't heard anything from him recently.
> 
> As for instructions they are in the repository which can be accessed
> with git clone http://linux-speakup.org/speakup.git.  I wouldn't say
> it is really ready for prime-time yet though.  There are still issues
> we are working out which can also be read about in the various files
> in the repository.
> 
> /proc/config.gz is not a replacement for make oldconfig just a
> starting place.  If you don't understand this already then compiling
> your own kernel with external patches maybe beyond your capabilities
> currently.  There are lots of documents in the linux kernel tree so
> there's plenty of reading to keep folks busy wanting to do it
> themselves.
> 
>    Kirk
> --
> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: Installing speakup on Ubuntu 7.10

[Kirk Reiser]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Steve Holmes wrote:

> this locked to 2.6.24 kernels? I saw reference to 2.6.24 in the build
> script and if I recall, there was a 2.6.24 file in the mix.

It is only tied into 2.6.24 from a backward compatibility perspective.
That is to say that the new hooks in the kernel tree only showed up
with the advent of 2.6.24.  Maybe someday once everything is working
nicely again we'll extend the patching mechanism back before 2.6.24.
The pieces are all there but need some work to pull it off.  As for
the future who knows.  Things change in the kernel tree constantly so
predicting the future is never reliable.

> What is the difference between the tarball the makedist builds and
> just tarring up the speakup folder from git?

Don't know.  I've paid no attention to that script presently. so it
might not even work.

> Also, you mentioned that you can only select a single synth.  Does
> this mean you can only build one module per compilation or can you
> build all the modules you want? Does the restriction apply to static
> compilations?

The single synth requirement is no longer there.  You can build as
many synths as modules or built-in as you like.  The difference is
that if you are loading a synth as a module you will need to supply
the start=1 flag to modprobe to start the synth talking.  If you don't
the module and speakup will be loaded but they will not start
speaking.  The documentation has not been updated to reflect that yet
I don't believe.

If you build speakup into the kernel you will need to specify
speakup.synth=xxxx on the kernel command line to invoke speakup.  Of
course you can do this in lilo or grub to make it automatic.  The
default synth choice in the menuconfig system is currently not
connected to anything.

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061