programs that work good with speakup

programs that work good with speakup

[josh]

Hi,

Are there any good msn messenger,
skype
word processor
spreadsheet
and accessible games that work good with speakup?
I want to use grml since I hear that gnome takes up lots of memory and 
stuff.

Josh

email: jkenn337@gmail.com
skype: jkenn337
msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com 

Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Daniel Dalton]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, josh wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Are there any good msn messenger,

Dunno, think so.
Why not search the repo and try stuff out?
Lots of cli apps will be accessible. Actually most.
Just some better than others.

> skype

No. Skype for linux is a qt app I believe.
Or its not gtk or something.
So its not even accessible with orca in a gui.

> word processor
> spreadsheet

Come on. If you want this stuff you really need a gui.
Gnome isn't that big. With everything up and running maybe just over 1 gb. 
or maybe 2 gb. Dunno exactly.

> and accessible games that work good with speakup?

No!

None for a gui anyway.
If you want all this stuff with no gui linux probably isn't for you.
I actually am trying to get an audio game to run in wine with gnome...

> I want to use grml since I hear that gnome takes up lots of memory and

Well no not exactly.
Debian etch and lenny I guess... Can be installed with no desktop.
And you can always remove gnome from ubuntu I guess. But dunno who would 
bother.
You should probably get a gui as well even through startx so stuff like
spreadsheet and word processor work.

> stuff.

What stuff?

--
Daniel Dalton

http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: programs that work good with speakup

[josh]

How much ram does gnome plus a screen reader take up then?

email: jkenn337@gmail.com
skype: jkenn337
msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Dalton" <d.dalton@iinet.net.au>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: programs that work good with speakup


> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, josh wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Are there any good msn messenger,
>
> Dunno, think so.
> Why not search the repo and try stuff out?
> Lots of cli apps will be accessible. Actually most.
> Just some better than others.
>
>> skype
>
> No. Skype for linux is a qt app I believe.
> Or its not gtk or something.
> So its not even accessible with orca in a gui.
>
>> word processor
>> spreadsheet
>
> Come on. If you want this stuff you really need a gui.
> Gnome isn't that big. With everything up and running maybe just over 1 gb.
> or maybe 2 gb. Dunno exactly.
>
>> and accessible games that work good with speakup?
>
> No!
>
> None for a gui anyway.
> If you want all this stuff with no gui linux probably isn't for you.
> I actually am trying to get an audio game to run in wine with gnome...
>
>> I want to use grml since I hear that gnome takes up lots of memory and
>
> Well no not exactly.
> Debian etch and lenny I guess... Can be installed with no desktop.
> And you can always remove gnome from ubuntu I guess. But dunno who would
> bother.
> You should probably get a gui as well even through startx so stuff like
> spreadsheet and word processor work.
>
>> stuff.
>
> What stuff?
>
> --
> Daniel Dalton
>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
> d.dalton@iinet.net.au
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Alex Snow]

I'm running it comfortably in 512mb
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 09:28:58AM 
-0500, josh wrote:
> How much ram does gnome plus a screen reader take up then?
> 
> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
> skype: jkenn337
> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Daniel Dalton" <d.dalton@iinet.net.au>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:28 AM
> Subject: Re: programs that work good with speakup
> 
> 
> > On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, josh wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Are there any good msn messenger,
> >
> > Dunno, think so.
> > Why not search the repo and try stuff out?
> > Lots of cli apps will be accessible. Actually most.
> > Just some better than others.
> >
> >> skype
> >
> > No. Skype for linux is a qt app I believe.
> > Or its not gtk or something.
> > So its not even accessible with orca in a gui.
> >
> >> word processor
> >> spreadsheet
> >
> > Come on. If you want this stuff you really need a gui.
> > Gnome isn't that big. With everything up and running maybe just over 1 gb.
> > or maybe 2 gb. Dunno exactly.
> >
> >> and accessible games that work good with speakup?
> >
> > No!
> >
> > None for a gui anyway.
> > If you want all this stuff with no gui linux probably isn't for you.
> > I actually am trying to get an audio game to run in wine with gnome...
> >
> >> I want to use grml since I hear that gnome takes up lots of memory and
> >
> > Well no not exactly.
> > Debian etch and lenny I guess... Can be installed with no desktop.
> > And you can always remove gnome from ubuntu I guess. But dunno who would
> > bother.
> > You should probably get a gui as well even through startx so stuff like
> > spreadsheet and word processor work.
> >
> >> stuff.
> >
> > What stuff?
> >
> > --
> > Daniel Dalton
> >
> > http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
> > d.dalton@iinet.net.au
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Ralph W. Reid]

'Good' is a relative term, so I will try to point out some
possibilities where I might.

I do not use IM programs, but some discussions on this topic have come
up in the past--maybe something in the archives is findable?

I do not use skype--maybe someone else can suggest something.

As for the word processor, if you want to process only words (no
embedded graphics, etc.), a powerful text editor may handle your
needs--perhaps the emacs editor will work for you?

I see that the sc spreadsheet calculator program is here on my
Slackware system, and it presents a spreadsheet screen in text mode.
I have not tinkered with sc for many years--maybe it is worth looking
over.

As for games, if it is text games you want, some LINUX distributions
come with the BSD games set.  If you want more, there is the
interactive fiction archive site at

http://ifarchive.org/

You can compile various programs from this site to play all sorts of
text adventure games, and the archive (over 3.1 GB) is available via
rsync as follows:

mkdir ~/ifarchive
rsync -rlptDv --bwlimit=0 --timeout=300 --partial --delete \
ibiblio.org::pub/docs/interactive-fiction/ ~/ifarchive

For graphical games you will probably need some sort of GUI.

HTH, and have a great day.

On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 11:07:59PM -0500, josh wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Are there any good msn messenger,
> skype
> word processor
> spreadsheet
> and accessible games that work good with speakup?
> I want to use grml since I hear that gnome takes up lots of memory and 
> stuff.
> 
> Josh
> 
> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
> skype: jkenn337
> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com 

-- 
Ralph.  N6BNO.  Wisdom comes from central processing, not from I/O.
rreid@sunset.net  http://personalweb.sunset.net/~rreid
...passing through The City of Internet at the speed of light...
CIRCLE CIRCUMFERENCE = 2 * _pi * r

Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Chris Nestrud]

I suggest bitlbee and an irc client such as irssi. This will provide
access to jabber, AIM, MSN, and a few other services. I believe that
it's possible to use the development branch of bitlbee and get support
for sending and receiving text Skype messages, but I don't know if the
entirety of the setup process is accessible with Speakup.

Chris

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:34:20AM -0800, Ralph W. Reid wrote:
> 'Good' is a relative term, so I will try to point out some
> possibilities where I might.
> 
> I do not use IM programs, but some discussions on this topic have come
> up in the past--maybe something in the archives is findable?
> 
> I do not use skype--maybe someone else can suggest something.
> 
> As for the word processor, if you want to process only words (no
> embedded graphics, etc.), a powerful text editor may handle your
> needs--perhaps the emacs editor will work for you?
> 
> I see that the sc spreadsheet calculator program is here on my
> Slackware system, and it presents a spreadsheet screen in text mode.
> I have not tinkered with sc for many years--maybe it is worth looking
> over.
> 
> As for games, if it is text games you want, some LINUX distributions
> come with the BSD games set.  If you want more, there is the
> interactive fiction archive site at
> 
> http://ifarchive.org/
> 
> You can compile various programs from this site to play all sorts of
> text adventure games, and the archive (over 3.1 GB) is available via
> rsync as follows:
> 
> mkdir ~/ifarchive
> rsync -rlptDv --bwlimit=0 --timeout=300 --partial --delete \
> ibiblio.org::pub/docs/interactive-fiction/ ~/ifarchive
> 
> For graphical games you will probably need some sort of GUI.
> 
> HTH, and have a great day.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 11:07:59PM -0500, josh wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Are there any good msn messenger,
> > skype
> > word processor
> > spreadsheet
> > and accessible games that work good with speakup?
> > I want to use grml since I hear that gnome takes up lots of memory and 
> > stuff.
> > 
> > Josh
> > 
> > email: jkenn337@gmail.com
> > skype: jkenn337
> > msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com 
> 
> -- 
> Ralph.  N6BNO.  Wisdom comes from central processing, not from I/O.
> rreid@sunset.net  http://personalweb.sunset.net/~rreid
> ...passing through The City of Internet at the speed of light...
> CIRCLE CIRCUMFERENCE = 2 * _pi * r
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: programs that work good with speakup

[josh]

Hi,

does gnome require more memory than windows xp pro does?

email: jkenn337@gmail.com
skype: jkenn337
msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: programs that work good with speakup


> I'm running it comfortably in 512mb
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 09:28:58AM
> -0500, josh wrote:
>> How much ram does gnome plus a screen reader take up then?
>>
>> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
>> skype: jkenn337
>> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Daniel Dalton" <d.dalton@iinet.net.au>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: programs that work good with speakup
>>
>>
>> > On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, josh wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Are there any good msn messenger,
>> >
>> > Dunno, think so.
>> > Why not search the repo and try stuff out?
>> > Lots of cli apps will be accessible. Actually most.
>> > Just some better than others.
>> >
>> >> skype
>> >
>> > No. Skype for linux is a qt app I believe.
>> > Or its not gtk or something.
>> > So its not even accessible with orca in a gui.
>> >
>> >> word processor
>> >> spreadsheet
>> >
>> > Come on. If you want this stuff you really need a gui.
>> > Gnome isn't that big. With everything up and running maybe just over 1 
>> > gb.
>> > or maybe 2 gb. Dunno exactly.
>> >
>> >> and accessible games that work good with speakup?
>> >
>> > No!
>> >
>> > None for a gui anyway.
>> > If you want all this stuff with no gui linux probably isn't for you.
>> > I actually am trying to get an audio game to run in wine with gnome...
>> >
>> >> I want to use grml since I hear that gnome takes up lots of memory and
>> >
>> > Well no not exactly.
>> > Debian etch and lenny I guess... Can be installed with no desktop.
>> > And you can always remove gnome from ubuntu I guess. But dunno who 
>> > would
>> > bother.
>> > You should probably get a gui as well even through startx so stuff like
>> > spreadsheet and word processor work.
>> >
>> >> stuff.
>> >
>> > What stuff?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Daniel Dalton
>> >
>> > http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
>> > d.dalton@iinet.net.au
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> -- 
> Even more amazing was the realization that God has Internet access.  I
> wonder if He has a full newsfeed?
> -- Matt Welsh
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 

Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Steve Holmes]

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On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 08:58:43PM -0500, josh wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> does gnome require more memory than windows xp pro does?

No.
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Re: programs that work good with speakup

[josh]

hi,
can you be more specific? as in it requires an equal amount? more? or less?

email: jkenn337@gmail.com
skype: jkenn337
msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
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From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: programs that work good with speakup


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> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 08:58:43PM -0500, josh wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> does gnome require more memory than windows xp pro does?
>
> No.
> - -- 
> HolmesGrown Solutions
> The best solutions for the best price!
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Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Steve Holmes]

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Well, I don't know the exact amount each uses.  Obviously, if you run
a screen reader in MS windows and run a bunch of pigs like Norton
system works and other self protection and monitoring programs, that
will use a bunch more memory than the guy who strips down his or her
windows box and runs virtually barefoot.  I'm sure similar for
Xwindows and the Gnome desktop.  I've never maxed out a machine with
either of these environments.  I ran XP for over a year with only 512
meg  but when I got around totrying out gnome, I was in the process of
increasing the memory on my machine to 1 gig but the stuff was on sale
for half price so I now have 2 gig.  But let me assure you, you don't
need 2 gig to run either of these environments.  So if you have 1 gb
in your box, you would be able to run Windows XP or Gnome with no
problems, I'm sure.  Someone on list here already said he runs Gnome
with 512 so I guess 512 would be ample for both too.  I just know from
years of experience that the more memory you have (up to a point), the
faster things go.  I played with the Ubuntu live CD with 512 (before)
my memory upgrade and it was rather sluggish.; that's all I know.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:35:02PM -0500, josh wrote:
> hi,
> can you be more specific? as in it requires an equal amount? more? or less?
> 
> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
> skype: jkenn337
> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Holmes" <steve@holmesgrown.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:10 PM
> Subject: Re: programs that work good with speakup
> 
> 
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> > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 08:58:43PM -0500, josh wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> does gnome require more memory than windows xp pro does?
> >
> > No.
> > - -- 
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> > The best solutions for the best price!
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Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Daniel Dalton]

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Steve Holmes wrote:

> problems, I'm sure.  Someone on list here already said he runs Gnome
> with 512 so I guess 512 would be ample for both too.  I just know from

I am also running gnome through startx with 256 mb ram and 800 mhz 
processor. (p3)

--
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d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Daniel Dalton]

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, josh wrote:

> hi,
> can you be more specific? as in it requires an equal amount? more? or less?

Probably 512 mb to run well.
Mine runs ok with 256 though.
Can't hurt to install it.
If its to slow don't use it.

I think windows would need more though.

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http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Daniel Dalton]

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Chris Nestrud wrote:

> I suggest bitlbee and an irc client such as irssi. This will provide
> access to jabber, AIM, MSN, and a few other services. I believe that

How do I use msn with irssi?

Thx,

--
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http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
d.dalton@iinet.net.au

Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Alex Snow]

It's about the same, and far less then Vista.
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 
08:58:43PM -0500, josh wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> does gnome require more memory than windows xp pro does?
> 
> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
> skype: jkenn337
> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: programs that work good with speakup
> 
> 
> > I'm running it comfortably in 512mb
> > On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 09:28:58AM
> > -0500, josh wrote:
> >> How much ram does gnome plus a screen reader take up then?
> >>
> >> email: jkenn337@gmail.com
> >> skype: jkenn337
> >> msn: kenn6498ku@hotmail.com
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Daniel Dalton" <d.dalton@iinet.net.au>
> >> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
> >> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:28 AM
> >> Subject: Re: programs that work good with speakup
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, josh wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >>
> >> >> Are there any good msn messenger,
> >> >
> >> > Dunno, think so.
> >> > Why not search the repo and try stuff out?
> >> > Lots of cli apps will be accessible. Actually most.
> >> > Just some better than others.
> >> >
> >> >> skype
> >> >
> >> > No. Skype for linux is a qt app I believe.
> >> > Or its not gtk or something.
> >> > So its not even accessible with orca in a gui.
> >> >
> >> >> word processor
> >> >> spreadsheet
> >> >
> >> > Come on. If you want this stuff you really need a gui.
> >> > Gnome isn't that big. With everything up and running maybe just over 1 
> >> > gb.
> >> > or maybe 2 gb. Dunno exactly.
> >> >
> >> >> and accessible games that work good with speakup?
> >> >
> >> > No!
> >> >
> >> > None for a gui anyway.
> >> > If you want all this stuff with no gui linux probably isn't for you.
> >> > I actually am trying to get an audio game to run in wine with gnome...
> >> >
> >> >> I want to use grml since I hear that gnome takes up lots of memory and
> >> >
> >> > Well no not exactly.
> >> > Debian etch and lenny I guess... Can be installed with no desktop.
> >> > And you can always remove gnome from ubuntu I guess. But dunno who 
> >> > would
> >> > bother.
> >> > You should probably get a gui as well even through startx so stuff like
> >> > spreadsheet and word processor work.
> >> >
> >> >> stuff.
> >> >
> >> > What stuff?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Daniel Dalton
> >> >
> >> > http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/
> >> > d.dalton@iinet.net.au
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Speakup mailing list
> >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Speakup mailing list
> >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > -- 
> > Even more amazing was the realization that God has Internet access.  I
> > wonder if He has a full newsfeed?
> > -- Matt Welsh
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup 
> 
> 
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Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Alex Snow]

Windows would also run in 256mb...I did this for a while (though this 
was pre sp2 days) and it worked ok...the system didn't fly, but it 
wasn't all that painful  either.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 09:34:11PM 
+1100, Daniel Dalton wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, josh wrote:
> 
> > hi,
> > can you be more specific? as in it requires an equal amount? more? or less?
> 
> Probably 512 mb to run well.
> Mine runs ok with 256 though.
> Can't hurt to install it.
> If its to slow don't use it.
> 
> I think windows would need more though.
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Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Alex Snow]

through bitlbee...that's an irc-> IM gateway
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 
09:47:50PM +1100, Daniel Dalton wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Chris Nestrud wrote:
> 
> > I suggest bitlbee and an irc client such as irssi. This will provide
> > access to jabber, AIM, MSN, and a few other services. I believe that
> 
> How do I use msn with irssi?
> 
> Thx,
> 
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Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Gaijin]

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 08:58:43PM -0500, josh wrote:
> does gnome require more memory than windows xp pro does?
:End-Quote:

	I would doubt it.  You could always try the LiveCD and check it
out without having to install anything, configuring  as little as
possible to keep some of the unneeded stuff from running.  It will all
be running in RAM, or it won't.

			Michael

Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Daniel Dalton]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008, Alex Snow wrote:

> through bitlbee...that's an irc-> IM gateway

So how do I connect and start chatting? Do I use irssi too?

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Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Lorenzo Taylor]

I actually am trying to get an audio game to run in wine with gnome...

I actually got all the Kitchens Inc games working with wine/gnome. They
work with wine 0.54 and 0.55. And I don't know if it's a hardy thing or
not, since I didn't start using wine until recently because I didn't
think it worked as well as it actually does, but installing the Kitchens
Inc menu into wine gives you an entry you can access from your
applications menu. Applications/Wine/programs/Kitchens Inc/Kitchens Inc
Games. Very nice indeed. Now if only I could get the lighttech games
working. I get some kind of nasty page fault whenever I try to run the
installers. And I think the hardest part is guessing at the installer,
since orca doesn't speak Windows apps running via wine and I can't get
NVDA running at all to speak them. So running the installers tends to be
guesswork.

Mail me off list with the game you are trying to get working and I will
see if I can make any useful suggestions, since I too like to play
games, but I don't like to be tied to Windows and the Windows laptop I
kept lying around is now only good for what little parts can actually be
swapped out if any.

Live long and prosper,
Lorenzo
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Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Lorenzo Taylor]

I could be wrong, but I think gnome actually requires less RAM than
Windows XP Pro, especially if you were using JAWS or Window Eyes.

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Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Alex Snow]

You can use whatever irc client you want to connect to it...have a 
look at bitlbee.org
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 07:36:53AM +1100, Daniel 
Dalton wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008, Alex Snow wrote:
> 
> > through bitlbee...that's an irc-> IM gateway
> 
> So how do I connect and start chatting? Do I use irssi too?
> 
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Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Alex Snow]

How did you configure wine? all the docs I have found for recent 
versions say to use winecfg, which isn't a gtk2 app
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 
at 06:35:24PM -0500, Lorenzo Taylor wrote:
> ???I actually am trying to get an audio game to run in wine with gnome...
> 
> I actually got all the Kitchens Inc games working with wine/gnome. They
> work with wine 0.54 and 0.55. And I don't know if it's a hardy thing or
> not, since I didn't start using wine until recently because I didn't
> think it worked as well as it actually does, but installing the Kitchens
> Inc menu into wine gives you an entry you can access from your
> applications menu. Applications/Wine/programs/Kitchens Inc/Kitchens Inc
> Games. Very nice indeed. Now if only I could get the lighttech games
> working. I get some kind of nasty page fault whenever I try to run the
> installers. And I think the hardest part is guessing at the installer,
> since orca doesn't speak Windows apps running via wine and I can't get
> NVDA running at all to speak them. So running the installers tends to be
> guesswork.
> 
> Mail me off list with the game you are trying to get working and I will
> see if I can make any useful suggestions, since I too like to play
> games, but I don't like to be tied to Windows and the Windows laptop I
> kept lying around is now only good for what little parts can actually be
> swapped out if any.
> 
> Live long and prosper,
> Lorenzo
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> 
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Re: programs that work good with speakup

[Lorenzo Taylor]

I didn't use winecfg to configure wine. Somehow I just installed it via
aptitude and it just started working. I actually had my daughter's
CD-ROM in my computer trying to figure out how I was going to make it
work. Of course, Nautilus said it couldn't run the executable file. So I
ran

sudo aptitude install wine

and then when I tried again to run the file it just started working. No
fuss, it just worked, which is much better than what I expected.

HTH,
Lorenzo
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