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* Re: Off topic -- Mobile accessibility V Talx
@  igueths
   ` Janina Sajka
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From: igueths @  UTC (permalink / raw)
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Janina, you mentioned the 3650 at Afb. Did you have to send the phone in to
have the software installed, or did you install it yourself?

Original Message:
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From: Kenny Hitt kenny@hittsjunk.net
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:02:21 -0600
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Off topic -- Mobile accessibility V Talx


Hi.  I just wanted to add that Tmobile is also a GSM network.  In my
area, it is the only GSM system.  Att and Singular are TDMA.

         Kenny


On Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 12:16:07PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Mobile Accessibility runs on the Symbian OS, which is only implemented
> on GSM networks. Therefore, you won't get anything out of Verizon
> Wireless, which is a CDMA carrier.
> 
> The Nokia 3650 we have at AFB is on the AT&T network, though it could
> also be on Cingular. In other words, you need to look at a GSM carrier
> if you want Mobile Accessibility.
> 
> As the cat is out of the bag, let me point out that the Audiovox/Toshiba
> 9900 is supposed to be out with a few accessibility features built in.
> It's a CDMA phone which should be available any day from Sprint, I
> think, and could be carried by VW as well, I suppose, though I have no
> special knowledge of that.
> 
> Steve Holmes writes:
> > From: Steve Holmes <steve@holmesgrown.com>
> > 
> > What providers currently support this phone? I heard recently about
> > this phone but a recent call to Verizon Wireless implied that they
> > never heard of it and thus probably don't support it.  Any ideas?
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 10:47:45AM -0500, Charles Crawford wrote:
> > > Have you tested the audio vox 9900?
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Janina Sajka 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > We have experience with Mobile Accessibility on a Nokia 3650. Mobile
> > > > Accessibility is an application separate from any application on the
> > > > 3650. In other words, Mobile Accessibility is not a screen reader.
> > > > 
> > > > If you're looking at access features on a particular device you
should
> > > > check with your dealer wheter that particular feature is supported.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Darragh writes:
> > > > > From: "Darragh" <lists@digitaldarragh.com>
> > > > > 
> > > > > Please reply to this message to lists@digitaldarragh.com as I am
way off topic and I don't want to annoy any one further by continuing the
topic on list.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm thinking of buying a Nokia N Gage mobile phone.  Its very
games orientated but the keypad is easy to use and it has some nice added
extras such as the mp3 player and the fm radio.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > It says on both the mobileaccessibility and talx sites that they
have support for this but I was wondering if any one has actually used both
products?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Can you give me your thought's on a comparason between the two.
> > > > > Is there long delays when pressing keys in both products?
> > > > > Can you access as much of the phone in talx as when in
mobileaccessibility?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is there anything else I should know about before choosing on?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Again, I'm very sorry for the cross posting and the off topic
message.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Darragh
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> Janina Sajka
> Email: janina@rednote.net		
> Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Director, Technology Research and Development
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> http://www.afb.org
> 
> Chair, Accessibility Work Group
> Free Standards Group
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* Re: Off topic -- Mobile accessibility V Talx
@  igueths
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From: igueths @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Well in that case Nextel is your friend do to the reason that they use a
Satnet. The only problem as far as I know with that is the price.

Original Message:
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From: Alex Snow alex_snow@gmx.net
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 18:21:04 -0500
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Off topic -- Mobile accessibility V Talx


this is one of the reasons I haven't looked seriously into a cell 
phone. I get *no* signal in my house. you have to walk almost half way 
down the street to get any kind of signal at all and it's week.
On Thu, 
Jan 01, 2004 at 08:56:32AM -0600, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> Hi.  Just because you don't travel doesn't mean you shouldn't be
> concerned about roming.  When I used ATT, I had to get a plan that
> allowed free roming because the signal for ATT was really bad in my
> house.  I started out with a plan that wouldn't allow the phone to rome
> but this kept me from using the phone when I wanted it most.  You might
> want to make sure your phone can't rome or ask sighted friends to read
> the phone's screen in the places you use it most to make sure it isn't
> roming.  If you have weak signal, the phone will try to rome to a tower
> with better signal.
> 
> Hope this helps.
>           Kenny
> 
> On Thu, Jan 01, 2004 at 06:30:13AM -0500, Chuck Hallenbeck wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Tommy,
> > 
> > Thanks much, but I have asked my local provider to get a braille
> > manual from Nokia for me, and they tell me it is on the way. I
> > decided to go through my local provider so that they become aware
> > of the gestures toward accessibility that Nokia has adopted.
> > 
> > I am glad to know of your experience with the 5165. It is my
> > first cell phone, and I continue to be happy with it, although
> > following this thread it is clear there are important functions I
> > cannot so far perform, such as detecting battery level. I am not
> > worried about the roaming alert since I do not travel much these
> > days.
> > 
> > Chuck
> > 
> > PS: Happy New Year to all
> > 
> > On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, Tom Moore wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Chuck.
> > > I have this phone and it works really nice for me.
> > > I suggest downloading the manual if you can, and if you can't find it
let me know and I'll send it to you in text format.
> > > You can use some of the menu functions if you memorize the numbers to
hit after pressing the menu key to access certain functions.
> > > You can change the ring, change the volume of the ring and set the
security codes on the phone as well as other things.
> > >
> > > I'm actually in the market myself for a newer phone so seeing the
topic come up on the list is a good thing...
> > > Can any of these phones that have been mentioned be plugged in to a
laptop for mobile internet access while on the go??
> > >
> > > Tommy
> > 
> > 
> > 
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* Re: Off topic -- Mobile accessibility V Talx
@  igueths
   ` Steve Holmes
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From: igueths @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Hey that's cool you can request a braille copy of the manual. In terms of
using pdftotext to convert pdf documents, sometimes its better to use one
of the adobe online conversion tools if pdftotext doesn't produce legible
output. I am just saying this from experience...I haven't had much luck
getting legible output from pdftotext, not even using the raw option.

Original Message:
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From: Kenny Hitt kenny@hittsjunk.net
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:57:21 -0600
To: smcmahon@usgs.gov, speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Off topic -- Mobile accessibility V Talx


Hi.  I downloaded and read the manual.  I asked my sighted girl friend
to read the phone to confirm I was doing what I thought.  The manual
explains it better than I could.  It is a pdf file but it converts well with
pdftotext.  Nokia has the manuals for all their phones on their web
sight.  You can also call them at an 800 number and get a braille copy
for free.

          Kenny
	  
On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 11:05:14AM -0700, Sean McMahon wrote:
> How did you setup the voice command for batery level and signal strength
on
> yo8ur 3595? Sean
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kenny Hitt" <kenny@hittsjunk.net>
> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Off topic -- Mobile accessibility V Talx
> 
> 
> > Hi.  My Nokia 3595 has audable signal strength and battery level.  It is
> > a GSM phone.  You have to use a voice command to use theese features.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >           Kenny
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 05:59:18PM -0500, David Poehlman wrote:
> > > I have heard that kiasara phones are good not sure of the spelling. 
the
> > > only additional things I require are signal strength, batery level and
> an
> > > accessible way to at least turn off roaming if not detect that roaming
> is
> > > taking place.
> > >

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* Re: Off topic -- Mobile accessibility V Talx
@  igueths
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From: igueths @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: speakup

Well I'm planning on contacting the vendor of the product to see if its
possible to install the software on the phone yourself. I have someone
sighted to help me if I need it, so that's fortunate. Bc in my opinion,
shipping the phone somewhere to have the software installed is just plain
rediculous. I mean, its just a program that you install on a cell phone...I
mean how hard can it possibly be? 

Original Message:
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From: Janina Sajka janina@rednote.net
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 10:43:32 -0500
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Off topic -- Mobile accessibility V Talx


Please note that our experience came last July, before Mobile
Accessibility was on the market in the U.S. I believe they've released a
new version since then, and any notes we might have may well not be all
that helpful today. In any case, I don't have such notes, and I won't be
back in the office until January 2.

Have you talked with the product vendor about this issue?

Also, have you handled the device you want to install this software on
to be sure that you will like working with it? The 3650 has a dial pad
that I have personally found unpleasant to use because I spent so much
time finding the next button to push. It's not a typical touch-tone
keypad.


Deedra Waters writes:
> From: Deedra Waters <dmwaters@gentoo.org>
> 
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> Hmm, I guess that this answers the question I just asked. Is there a
place where I can get theese directions? I'm guessing that I can probably
get my mother to help me get accessibility stuff put on the phone or
something.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > When we first got the 3650 back in April we shipped it to Switzerland to
> > get Mobile Accessibility installed. In july we upgraded the software
> > ourselves following Svox' directions and using BlueTooth. We did not
> > find this process accessible. In other words, our sighted intern had to
> > do it.
> > 
> > igueths@comcast.net writes:
> > > From: "igueths@comcast.net" <igueths@comcast.net>
> > > 
> > > Janina, you mentioned the 3650 at Afb. Did you have to send the phone
in to
> > > have the software installed, or did you install it yourself?
> > 
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Phone: (202) 408-8175

Director, Technology Research and Development
American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
http://www.afb.org

Chair, Accessibility Work Group
Free Standards Group
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* Off topic -- Mobile accessibility V Talx
@  Darragh
   ` Janina Sajka
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From: Darragh @  UTC (permalink / raw)
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Please reply to this message to lists@digitaldarragh.com as I am way off topic and I don't want to annoy any one further by continuing the topic on list.

Hello,

I'm thinking of buying a Nokia N Gage mobile phone.  Its very games orientated but the keypad is easy to use and it has some nice added extras such as the mp3 player and the fm radio.  

It says on both the mobileaccessibility and talx sites that they have support for this but I was wondering if any one has actually used both products?

Can you give me your thought's on a comparason between the two.
Is there long delays when pressing keys in both products?
Can you access as much of the phone in talx as when in mobileaccessibility?

Is there anything else I should know about before choosing on?

Again, I'm very sorry for the cross posting and the off topic message.  

Thanks


Darragh

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