* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup
@ Debee Norling
` Gregory Nowak
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Debee Norling @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
Interesting that even you experienced users have editing troubles.
I think the next edit to lilo.conf then will be a way to let me log in with
a terminal. My trusty old Toshiba T1200 laptop with sounding board still
works fine with como and a variety of screen readers, and I never had
trouble using Vi or pico that way.
I'm really hoping to be able to program using Speakup but I need an editor
that I don't have to think about.
-- Debee
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup Effortless editing with Speakup Debee Norling @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Roy Nickelson ` Buddy Brannan ` Kirk Reiser ` Effortless editing with Speakup Alex Snow 2 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: norlingdeborah, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ah well, I get around that by writing code on my trusty Braille 'n Speak, and then transfer it for compiling once I've written it. I then use the editor to fix any errors I get. May not work for everyone, but it's worked for me for a number of years now (smile). Greg On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 10:12:40AM -0700, Debee Norling wrote: > Interesting that even you experienced users have editing troubles. > > I think the next edit to lilo.conf then will be a way to let me log in with > a terminal. My trusty old Toshiba T1200 laptop with sounding board still > works fine with como and a variety of screen readers, and I never had > trouble using Vi or pico that way. > > I'm really hoping to be able to program using Speakup but I need an editor > that I don't have to think about. > > > -- Debee > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > !DSPAM:40a25cba280921798322069! > > - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAomGH7s9z/XlyUyARApAjAKCiOn15BoIN3UCfJvnOi37+O8kb1ACgmxDd NHamj6ZIkbfWZMQ3IbfMEX4= =d0iq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Roy Nickelson ` Gregory Nowak ` Debee Norling ` Buddy Brannan 1 sibling, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Roy Nickelson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Greg, How do you transfer the files between the bns and linux? The other question would be how would I kill brltty so the bns could use the port the braille display is conected too? Roy On Wed, 12 May 2004, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ah well, I get around that by writing code on my trusty Braille 'n > Speak, and then transfer it for compiling once I've written it. I then > use the editor to fix any errors I get. May not work for everyone, but > it's worked for me for a number of years now (smile). > > Greg > > > On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 10:12:40AM -0700, Debee Norling wrote: > > Interesting that even you experienced users have editing troubles. > > > > I think the next edit to lilo.conf then will be a way to let me log in with > > a terminal. My trusty old Toshiba T1200 laptop with sounding board still > > works fine with como and a variety of screen readers, and I never had > > trouble using Vi or pico that way. > > > > I'm really hoping to be able to program using Speakup but I need an editor > > that I don't have to think about. > > > > > > -- Debee > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > !DSPAM:40a25cba280921798322069! > > > > > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAomGH7s9z/XlyUyARApAjAKCiOn15BoIN3UCfJvnOi37+O8kb1ACgmxDd > NHamj6ZIkbfWZMQ3IbfMEX4= > =d0iq > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Roy Nickelson @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Debee Norling 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I transfer files between the bns and linux in 2 ways. The first way is to use minicom, which works nicely. The second way is when I've used the bns as a terminal at times, I used rb and sb to do the file transfers, which had problems when transferring multiple files. I've also used my copy of pcdisk under dosemu, which worked nicely too. Greg On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 02:18:20PM -0400, Roy Nickelson wrote: > Hi Greg, > How do you transfer the files between the bns and linux? The other > question would be how would I kill brltty so the bns could use the port > the braille display is conected too? > Roy > On Wed, 12 May 2004, Gregory Nowak > wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Ah well, I get around that by writing code on my trusty Braille 'n > > Speak, and then transfer it for compiling once I've written it. I then > > use the editor to fix any errors I get. May not work for everyone, but > > it's worked for me for a number of years now (smile). > > > > Greg > > > > > > On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 10:12:40AM -0700, Debee Norling wrote: > > > Interesting that even you experienced users have editing troubles. > > > > > > I think the next edit to lilo.conf then will be a way to let me log in with > > > a terminal. My trusty old Toshiba T1200 laptop with sounding board still > > > works fine with como and a variety of screen readers, and I never had > > > trouble using Vi or pico that way. > > > > > > I'm really hoping to be able to program using Speakup but I need an editor > > > that I don't have to think about. > > > > > > > > > -- Debee > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > > iD8DBQFAomGH7s9z/XlyUyARApAjAKCiOn15BoIN3UCfJvnOi37+O8kb1ACgmxDd > > NHamj6ZIkbfWZMQ3IbfMEX4= > > =d0iq > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > !DSPAM:40a26ae6286131727368746! > > - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAomxk7s9z/XlyUyARAgJ/AKDCF/E3FzJ8WYZ4HwbI67TWMJrdlACgxYF3 J267VcMVeshTvouFsi0wolE= =Lu0o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Roy Nickelson ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Debee Norling 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Debee Norling @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. There's a great rant at linuxmafia.com about Windows users who still edit on their Windows box instead of learning Linux. I am determined not to do that, though I had a fleeting desire this morning to telnet in to the box at home using my JAWS and Braille display at work to get these edits out of the way. --Debee ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Gregory Nowak ` Roy Nickelson @ ` Buddy Brannan 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Buddy Brannan @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. How 'bout nano? It's just almost exactly like pico except more gooder more betererererer, and the backspace key reads properly :) -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV ------------------------------------------------------------ Help us bring our child home! Visit http://ouradoption.brannan.name to find out how. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup Effortless editing with Speakup Debee Norling ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Kirk Reiser ` nick G ` Where, and what is the latest version of speakup?! cris ` Effortless editing with Speakup Alex Snow 2 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Kirk Reiser @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: norlingdeborah; +Cc: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. This is bullshit! There are extremely powerful editors you can use and they work just fine. Either vim or emacs can do just about anything you want and they work fine with the cvs cursor tracking code. Cursor tracking works fine under speakup 1.5 except it doesn't automatically speak but the cursor should track no problems. On the other hand nobody should be using speakup 1.5 anymore. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Kirk Reiser @ ` nick G ` Janina Sajka ` (2 more replies) ` Where, and what is the latest version of speakup?! cris 1 sibling, 3 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: nick G @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Actually, VI has a little proble. Everytime I type something it says something to the effect of, t 1 h2 i3 s4 space 5 i6 s7 YOu get the idea. Thanks, Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> To: <norlingdeborah@fhda.edu> Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Effortless editing with Speakup > This is bullshit! There are extremely powerful editors you can use and > they work just fine. Either vim or emacs can do just about anything > you want and they work fine with the cvs cursor tracking code. Cursor > tracking works fine under speakup 1.5 except it doesn't automatically > speak but the cursor should track no problems. On the other hand > nobody should be using speakup 1.5 anymore. > > Kirk > > -- > > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario > phone: (519) 661-3061 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup ` nick G @ ` Janina Sajka ` Terry Klarich ` Thomas Stivers ` Roy Nickelson 2 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Not at all. You need to turn off the constant updating of cursor location--so, it's not a vim problem, but a configuration for the user issue. One way to do this reliably is to start ex and then go into :vi mode. nick G writes: > Actually, VI has a little proble. Everytime I type something it says > something to the effect of, > t 1 > h2 > i3 > s4 > space 5 > i6 > s7 > > YOu get the idea. > Thanks, > Nick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> > To: <norlingdeborah@fhda.edu> > Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: Effortless editing with Speakup > > > > This is bullshit! There are extremely powerful editors you can use and > > they work just fine. Either vim or emacs can do just about anything > > you want and they work fine with the cvs cursor tracking code. Cursor > > tracking works fine under speakup 1.5 except it doesn't automatically > > speak but the cursor should track no problems. On the other hand > > nobody should be using speakup 1.5 anymore. > > > > Kirk > > > > -- > > > > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility > > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario > > phone: (519) 661-3061 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Janina Sajka @ ` Terry Klarich 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Terry Klarich @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hello all: I suspect you have an alias for vi pointing to vim. At the shell prompt, do an "unalias vi". This should take care of the problem. Vim will then be called in vi mode. Terry >nick G writes: >> Actually, VI has a little proble. Everytime I type something it says >> something to the effect of, >> t 1 >> h2 >> i3 >> s4 >> space 5 >> i6 >> s7 >> >> YOu get the idea. >> Thanks, >> Nick >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> >> To: <norlingdeborah@fhda.edu> >> Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 1:54 PM >> Subject: Re: Effortless editing with Speakup >> >> >> > This is bullshit! There are extremely powerful editors you can use and >> > they work just fine. Either vim or emacs can do just about anything >> > you want and they work fine with the cvs cursor tracking code. Cursor >> > tracking works fine under speakup 1.5 except it doesn't automatically >> > speak but the cursor should track no problems. On the other hand >> > nobody should be using speakup 1.5 anymore. >> > >> > Kirk >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility >> > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario >> > phone: (519) 661-3061 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Speakup mailing list >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >-- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup ` nick G ` Janina Sajka @ ` Thomas Stivers ` Roy Nickelson 2 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Thomas Stivers @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On May 12 2004 4:47 PM, nick G wrote: > Actually, VI has a little proble. Everytime I type something it says > something to the effect of, > t 1 > h2 > i3 > s4 > space 5 > i6 > s7 > > YOu get the idea. In vim you can fix this with ":set noruler" or put "set noruler" in your .vimrc file. There are untold hordes of such options which you can learn about with ":help options.txt". This all assumes you're using vim and not elvis. I neither like, nor know about, nor use elvis. - -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan Thomas Stivers e-mail: stivers_t@tomass.dyndns.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAopxU5JK61UXLur0RAlYxAJ49I/mPLko58Nuq35aE0OZ5nIR26wCaAkAA R5Si4lICqTi40oG2KB9ZE2Y= =XC36 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup ` nick G ` Janina Sajka ` Thomas Stivers @ ` Roy Nickelson 2 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Roy Nickelson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi, I have the same problem in vi. pico isn't much better when ou are inserting text sometimes after you type a letter speakup reads the next word. And the worst example is in naim speakup says "space" before every character that is typed. Roy On Wed, 12 May 2004, nick G wrote: > Actually, VI has a little proble. Everytime I type something it says > something to the effect of, > t 1 > h2 > i3 > s4 > space 5 > i6 > s7 > > YOu get the idea. > Thanks, > Nick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> > To: <norlingdeborah@fhda.edu> > Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: Effortless editing with Speakup > > > > This is bullshit! There are extremely powerful editors you can use and > > they work just fine. Either vim or emacs can do just about anything > > you want and they work fine with the cvs cursor tracking code. Cursor > > tracking works fine under speakup 1.5 except it doesn't automatically > > speak but the cursor should track no problems. On the other hand > > nobody should be using speakup 1.5 anymore. > > > > Kirk > > > > -- > > > > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility > > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario > > phone: (519) 661-3061 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Where, and what is the latest version of speakup?! ` Kirk Reiser ` nick G @ ` cris ` Kirk Reiser 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: cris @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Hi Folks, I went to the speakup website and could not locate the latest version of speakup. Where can I find it? The version I found is 1.5. Kurk says that no one should be using 1.5 anymore. I prefer to get an rpm version of the latest speakup if it is possible. Cheers, Cris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> To: <norlingdeborah@fhda.edu> Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: Re: Effortless editing with Speakup > This is bullshit! There are extremely powerful editors you can use and > they work just fine. Either vim or emacs can do just about anything > you want and they work fine with the cvs cursor tracking code. Cursor > tracking works fine under speakup 1.5 except it doesn't automatically > speak but the cursor should track no problems. On the other hand > nobody should be using speakup 1.5 anymore. > > Kirk > > -- > > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario > phone: (519) 661-3061 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Where, and what is the latest version of speakup?! ` Where, and what is the latest version of speakup?! cris @ ` Kirk Reiser ` Roy Nickelson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Kirk Reiser @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: cris; +Cc: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. The latest version of speakup is cvs which can be had by going to the speakup site and getting readme.checkout and checkout which is a script to get speakup from cvs and patch your kernel with it. Come to think of it Bill Acker may have fairly recent rpms available as well. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Where, and what is the latest version of speakup?! ` Kirk Reiser @ ` Roy Nickelson ` Gregory Nowak 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Roy Nickelson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi, I should probably look more before asking but how do you determine what version of speakup you are using? does speakup --version work? Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Reiser" <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> To: "cris" <filastin48@hotmail.com> Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Where, and what is the latest version of speakup?! The latest version of speakup is cvs which can be had by going to the speakup site and getting readme.checkout and checkout which is a script to get speakup from cvs and patch your kernel with it. Come to think of it Bill Acker may have fairly recent rpms available as well. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Where, and what is the latest version of speakup?! ` Roy Nickelson @ ` Gregory Nowak ` Roy Nickelson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Gregory Nowak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No, "speakup --version" doesn't work, since speakup isn't a program, at least not in the way that bash for example is a program. If you want to find out what version of speakup you have, do: cat /proc/speakup/version Greg On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 02:55:10PM -0400, Roy Nickelson wrote: > hi, > I should probably look more before asking but how do you determine what > version of speakup you are using? does speakup --version work? > Roy > - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAo9lB7s9z/XlyUyARAiHjAKCQ3IPJ3ScNZ1yVFJXOQXuv26WoNgCeOcjz lKwu2Gudr1+bNb8QnP4y3iA= =Ew3F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Where, and what is the latest version of speakup?! ` Gregory Nowak @ ` Roy Nickelson ` Steve Holmes 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Roy Nickelson @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. hi, it says Speakup v-2.00 CVS: Thu Nov 27 08:37:36 EST 2003 So now the only question is this the latest version? I hope so because the files aren't in the corect place for me to run the checkout script. Roy On Thu, 13 May 2004, Gregory Nowak wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > No, "speakup --version" doesn't work, since speakup isn't a program, > at least not in the way that bash for example is a program. If you > want to find out what version of speakup you have, do: > > cat /proc/speakup/version > > Greg > > > On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 02:55:10PM -0400, Roy Nickelson wrote: > > hi, > > I should probably look more before asking but how do you determine what > > version of speakup you are using? does speakup --version work? > > Roy > > > > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAo9lB7s9z/XlyUyARAiHjAKCQ3IPJ3ScNZ1yVFJXOQXuv26WoNgCeOcjz > lKwu2Gudr1+bNb8QnP4y3iA= > =Ew3F > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Where, and what is the latest version of speakup?! ` Roy Nickelson @ ` Steve Holmes 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Steve Holmes @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If the files are messed or located in the wrong place, I would recommend that you save off the checkout script to your root user directory or wherever, blow away /usr/src/linux completely, dump in a brand new linux-2.4.26 tarball and then run checkout. In fact, if you type checkout while your current dirrectory is /usr/src/linux-2.4.26, checkout will insert the speakup patches in the correct places under this tree. The speakup files themselves should end up in /usr/src/linux-2.4.26/drivers/char/speakup. Other patches apply where they do and you should not get any patch errors with this combination. Besure you have a symbolic link linking /usr/src/linux-2.4.26 to /usr/src/linux and you should be good to go. Start with the usual config steps. If you have a previous configuration from prior kernel compiles then save that file to the side before this directory reconstruction. Hope this helps. On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 05:27:35PM -0400, Roy Nickelson wrote: > hi, > it says Speakup v-2.00 CVS: Thu Nov 27 08:37:36 EST 2003 > > So now the only question is this the latest version? I hope so because > the files aren't in the corect place for me to run the checkout script. > Roy - -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://ld.net/?holmesgrown -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAo/J6WSjv55S0LfERAtEkAJ4qDydUOLPPERcX0VPHF5BArNbCwgCgoLb5 2gUq6hA/bCjElOaxxRD9oMg= =ra4y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup Effortless editing with Speakup Debee Norling ` Gregory Nowak ` Kirk Reiser @ ` Alex Snow ` Stephen Clower ` (2 more replies) 2 siblings, 3 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: norlingdeborah, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 then give emacs and nano a try. emacs is way more advanced then nano but nano is much easier to learn. On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 10:12:40AM - -0700, Debee Norling wrote: > Interesting that even you experienced users have editing troubles. > > I think the next edit to lilo.conf then will be a way to let me log in with > a terminal. My trusty old Toshiba T1200 laptop with sounding board still > works fine with como and a variety of screen readers, and I never had > trouble using Vi or pico that way. > > I'm really hoping to be able to program using Speakup but I need an editor > that I don't have to think about. > > > -- Debee > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- ...you might as well skip the Xmas celebration completely, and instead sit in front of your linux computer playing with the all-new-and-improved linux kernel version. -- Linus Torvalds -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAopsQ9XVrM3ri110RAt1jAJwNG6LrrY8iZRSSfeFxMzNZFiY1NACfRvtB yy2LIvzSYcsXtn5pQmCbKp8= =q+Pd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Effortless editing with Speakup Alex Snow @ ` Stephen Clower ` Debee Norling ` Luke Davis ` Jared Stofflett ` Debee Norling 2 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Stephen Clower @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Also note that Nano is a clone of Pico. If you've got Pico, the commands will be the same for either editor. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 5/12/2004 at 5:45 PM Alex Snow wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >then give emacs and nano a try. emacs is way more advanced then nano >but nano is much easier to learn. >On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 10:12:40AM >- -0700, Debee Norling wrote: >> Interesting that even you experienced users have editing troubles. >> >> I think the next edit to lilo.conf then will be a way to let me log in >with >> a terminal. My trusty old Toshiba T1200 laptop with sounding board still >> works fine with como and a variety of screen readers, and I never had >> trouble using Vi or pico that way. >> >> I'm really hoping to be able to program using Speakup but I need an >editor >> that I don't have to think about. >> >> >> -- Debee >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >- -- >...you might as well skip the Xmas celebration completely, and instead >sit in front of your linux computer playing with the all-new-and-improved >linux kernel version. > -- Linus Torvalds >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFAopsQ9XVrM3ri110RAt1jAJwNG6LrrY8iZRSSfeFxMzNZFiY1NACfRvtB >yy2LIvzSYcsXtn5pQmCbKp8= >=q+Pd >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup Stephen Clower, that guy from the south. You can reach me by any of the following: E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net MSN: steve@steve-audio.net AIM: AudioRabbit03 You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Stephen Clower @ ` Debee Norling ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Luke Davis 1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Debee Norling @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Stephen Clower writes: >Also note that Nano is a clone of Pico. If you've got Pico, the commands will be the same for either editor. Nano is on the systemrescuecd so it is easy to play with using speakup before making any commitments. --Debee ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Debee Norling @ ` Chuck Hallenbeck ` Hart Larry 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Chuck Hallenbeck @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: norlingdeborah, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well, not exactly. Nano has a pico emulation mode, but pico commands are a subset of nano commands. Even the pico lookalike stuff work better in nano than they do in pico Clone is the wrong word. Chuck On Wed, 12 May 2004, Debee Norling wrote: > Stephen Clower writes: > >Also note that Nano is a clone of Pico. If you've got Pico, the commands > will be the same for either editor. > > Nano is on the systemrescuecd so it is easy to play with using speakup > before making any commitments. > > --Debee > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > - -- The Moon is Waning Crescent (34% of Full) My home page is now at http://www.mhcable.com/~chuckh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBQKKq8jVdG8M9x9tGAQL2qQP+JR5w+pCwq78kC1zR3w4xVID2OUV3E52D 7nwDfprN+/andspbsjGlEaFOjsa2glej/cugxvWNwUh/gPNw8PhZN/NFGYq8SB6e yRyX3O9DYLKJp2ivhLzTWyO3et+TA/J2Gk+QbefxnWQHv5TPFNp44ztZB4iZh8E1 fH4zirkRCQA= =/0kw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Chuck Hallenbeck @ ` Hart Larry ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Hart Larry @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Ok, following up on my comments of Wednesday, editing with pico or nano on the hard-drive works well. However, while useing ssh to arrow aroundeither of my shell accounts, the cursorig is problematic. Please any ideas on how to fix the interface? In Jaws useing tteraterm it works fine Hart ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Hart Larry @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. I use ssh all the time. I only have difficulty over ssh if there are significant lag times between the two systems involved--as when I'm using ssh into my home server while somewhere across the pond on a dialup connection. Sorry--this is probably not helpful. Hart Larry writes: > Ok, following up on my comments of Wednesday, editing with pico or nano on the > hard-drive works well. However, while useing ssh to arrow aroundeither of my > shell accounts, the cursorig is problematic. Please any ideas on how to fix > the interface? > In Jaws useing tteraterm it works fine > Hart > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Stephen Clower ` Debee Norling @ ` Luke Davis 1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Luke Davis @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. A cloan in that it looks the same. Far more flexable, including regular expression searching, the abilitity to control whether lines wrap, on an interactive basis, and more. On Wed, 12 May 2004, Stephen Clower wrote: > Also note that Nano is a clone of Pico. If you've got Pico, the commands will be the same for either editor. > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 5/12/2004 at 5:45 PM Alex Snow wrote: > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >then give emacs and nano a try. emacs is way more advanced then nano > >but nano is much easier to learn. > >On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 10:12:40AM > >- -0700, Debee Norling wrote: > >> Interesting that even you experienced users have editing troubles. > >> > >> I think the next edit to lilo.conf then will be a way to let me log in > >with > >> a terminal. My trusty old Toshiba T1200 laptop with sounding board still > >> works fine with como and a variety of screen readers, and I never had > >> trouble using Vi or pico that way. > >> > >> I'm really hoping to be able to program using Speakup but I need an > >editor > >> that I don't have to think about. > >> > >> > >> -- Debee > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > >- -- > >...you might as well skip the Xmas celebration completely, and instead > >sit in front of your linux computer playing with the all-new-and-improved > >linux kernel version. > > -- Linus Torvalds > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > > >iD8DBQFAopsQ9XVrM3ri110RAt1jAJwNG6LrrY8iZRSSfeFxMzNZFiY1NACfRvtB > >yy2LIvzSYcsXtn5pQmCbKp8= > >=q+Pd > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > Stephen Clower, that guy from the south. > You can reach me by any of the following: > E-Mail: steve@steve-audio.net > MSN: steve@steve-audio.net > AIM: AudioRabbit03 > > You can also check out my little home on the web by visiting http://www.steve-audio.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Foreign Aid: Taxing poor people in rich countries for the benefit of rich people in poor countries. - Bernard Rosenberg ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Effortless editing with Speakup Alex Snow ` Stephen Clower @ ` Jared Stofflett ` Debee Norling 2 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Jared Stofflett @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.' Try emacspeak instead of speakup for programming like c++ I've only played around a little but it's incredible, tells you what braces and stuff match, and automatically anounces indentation. -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Alex Snow Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 5:46 PM To: norlingdeborah@fhda.edu; Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: Effortless editing with Speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 then give emacs and nano a try. emacs is way more advanced then nano but nano is much easier to learn. On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 10:12:40AM - -0700, Debee Norling wrote: > Interesting that even you experienced users have editing troubles. > > I think the next edit to lilo.conf then will be a way to let me log in > with a terminal. My trusty old Toshiba T1200 laptop with sounding > board still works fine with como and a variety of screen readers, and > I never had trouble using Vi or pico that way. > > I'm really hoping to be able to program using Speakup but I need an > editor that I don't have to think about. > > > -- Debee > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- ...you might as well skip the Xmas celebration completely, and instead sit in front of your linux computer playing with the all-new-and-improved linux kernel version. -- Linus Torvalds -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAopsQ9XVrM3ri110RAt1jAJwNG6LrrY8iZRSSfeFxMzNZFiY1NACfRvtB yy2LIvzSYcsXtn5pQmCbKp8= =q+Pd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* RE: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Effortless editing with Speakup Alex Snow ` Stephen Clower ` Jared Stofflett @ ` Debee Norling ` Alex Snow 2 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread From: Debee Norling @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.; +Cc: Alex Snow I'm not concerned if the editor is easy to learn. I just don't want to learn three hard to learn editors! I've been using computers even before Wordstar, and learning new editors stopped being fun about ten years ago. Most of my friends use emacs and there is always emacspeak to play with too, then. So guess I'll learn that. I telnetted in to my box and did use several editors fine with JAWS and my braille display under windows. So I guess that means I better upgrade my speakup. I wonder if I could just replace the slackware 9.1's speakup.i kernel with mine and if that would work. It took all night, but I successfully downloaded the first slackware 9.1 iso image and it boots fine and tells me that the speakup in that kernel is 1.5. -- Debee (Deborah Norling) Alternate Media Specialist DeAnza College Phone: 408-864-5815 <MailTo: norlingdeborah@fhda.edu> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: Effortless editing with Speakup ` Debee Norling @ ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: norlingdeborah, Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 then nano is probably a good basic editor. It looks just like pico but it's cursor tracking with speakup works better. if you're going to do some programmin ghthen emacs may be a better solution...from what I've seen it's almost as easy to use with speakup as nano and it's got a lot more features. On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 03:28:09PM -0700, Debee Norling wrote: > I'm not concerned if the editor is easy to learn. I just don't want to learn > three hard to learn editors! I've been using computers even before Wordstar, > and learning new editors stopped being fun about ten years ago. > > > Most of my friends use emacs and there is always emacspeak to play with too, > then. So guess I'll learn that. > > I telnetted in to my box and did use several editors fine with JAWS and my > braille display under windows. So I guess that means I better upgrade my > speakup. I wonder if I could just replace the slackware 9.1's speakup.i > kernel with mine and if that would work. It took all night, but I > successfully downloaded the first slackware 9.1 iso image and it boots fine > and tells me that the speakup in that kernel is 1.5. > > -- Debee > (Deborah Norling) > Alternate Media Specialist > DeAnza College > Phone: 408-864-5815 > <MailTo: norlingdeborah@fhda.edu> > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup - -- > I've hacked the Xaw3d library to give you a Win95 like interface and it > is named Xaw95. You can replace your Xaw3d library. Oh God, this is so disgusting! -- seen on c.o.l.development.apps, about the "Win95 look-alike" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAoqsp9XVrM3ri110RAqaoAJ9aBbSnF7u2VOO8SR8+OZqKK8ljWQCfWHW9 OvGJZ8SvWjzelrL2/4sVudM= =o1jU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
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