* Re: Speakup and phoebe [not found] <20030327162301.20073.51850.Mailman@speech.braille.uwo.ca> @ ` Thomas Ward ` Kirk Reiser 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Thomas Ward @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Speakup List Hi, there wre several factors why speakup was pulled, but one of the factors as I understand it was speakup screwed up the French keymap. I also heard people had problems building the kernels from source, and Red Hat ended up deciding to pull it. I don't know the entire story on who, what, where, and why speakup was pulled, but I heard it was hotly debated. Two solutions at this point is if you know how to make kickstart files you can install sRed Hat via kickstart install. I've done it several times and is a good solution if speakup is not present. Another option is to link two computers together via a serial connection and pass the command: text console=ttyS0 to it, and do it via terminal connection. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Speakup and phoebe Thomas Ward @ ` Kirk Reiser ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Kirk Reiser @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Thomas Ward <slingshooter@valkyrie.net> writes: > Hi, there wre several factors why speakup was pulled, but one of the > factors as I understand it was speakup screwed up the French keymap. > I also heard people had problems building the kernels from source, and Red > Hat ended up deciding to pull it. I don't know the entire story on who, > what, where, and why speakup was pulled, but I heard it was hotly debated. One of the things which struck me very funny about this whole interaction was that although it was hotly debated, they never actually bothered to write me about it until almost Christmas after three months. I guess they are all so arrogant they figure everyone reads their stupid mailing lists. Once they did contact me I fixed the problem within a day. Go figure. So folks would rather bitch than communicate. Kirk -- Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario phone: (519) 661-3061 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Kirk Reiser @ ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Kirk has a point. I have heard Red Hat officials admit privately that their communications isn't always what it should be. Unfortunately, this kind of problem, when it occurs, isn't usually limited to the outside world. In other words, it's usuallyt as much of an issue inside the organization as with people outside the organization. Kirk Reiser writes: > From: Kirk Reiser <kirk@braille.uwo.ca> > > Thomas Ward <slingshooter@valkyrie.net> writes: > > > Hi, there wre several factors why speakup was pulled, but one of the > > factors as I understand it was speakup screwed up the French keymap. > > I also heard people had problems building the kernels from source, and Red > > Hat ended up deciding to pull it. I don't know the entire story on who, > > what, where, and why speakup was pulled, but I heard it was hotly debated. > > One of the things which struck me very funny about this whole > interaction was that although it was hotly debated, they never > actually bothered to write me about it until almost Christmas after > three months. I guess they are all so arrogant they figure everyone > reads their stupid mailing lists. > > Once they did contact me I fixed the problem within a day. Go > figure. So folks would rather bitch than communicate. > > Kirk > > -- > > Kirk Reiser The Computer Braille Facility > e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca University of Western Ontario > phone: (519) 661-3061 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Speakup and phoebe @ Bue Vester-Andersen ` Janina Sajka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Bue Vester-Andersen @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca' Hi, It seems like speakup is not going to be included with Phoebe. At least it is not in the current beta. I downloaded phoebe in order to try gnopernicus, but I need speakup to operate in text mode. Can I just use the boot disk from redhat 8.0? Will there be a special speakup release of Phoebe or will speakup eventually be in the plain distribution. Best regards Bue Vester-Andersen ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe Bue Vester-Andersen @ ` Janina Sajka ` Adam Myrow ` Charles Crawford 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup As you've sadly discovered, Speakup is not included with Red Hat's current beta called Phoebe, nor will it be included in the upcoming release of Red Hat 9.0. We are hoping and expecting it to be restored to Red Hat in their next release, but that doesn't help us now. The floppy diskette images from Red Hat 8.0 will not work for installing 9.0 or Phoebe. Bill Acker is working on a solution, but don't expect anything for a few weeks. Meanwhile, if you have two machines available, you might be able to install using telnet as follows: 1.) Boot the system on which you want to install using a non-speaking boot floppy. You will press enter twice, I think--I will confirm this in a forthcoming HOWTO. Use the following command at the Boot> prompt: text telnet 2.) Use your second machine's ping command as follows to discover the address dhcp gave to your target machine. ping -b x.y.z.255 NOTE: You need to know what domain is providing dhcp in ytour network. For example, on my system it's 192.168.10.* 3.) telnet to that address and install as usual. Of course, this won't take care of everyone. Please be patient. Bue Vester-Andersen writes: > From: Bue Vester-Andersen <listadr1@dkblind.dk> > > Hi, > > It seems like speakup is not going to be included with Phoebe. At least it > is not in the current beta. I downloaded phoebe in order to try gnopernicus, > but I need speakup to operate in text mode. Can I just use the boot disk > from redhat 8.0? Will there be a special speakup release of Phoebe or will > speakup eventually be in the plain distribution. > > Best regards > Bue Vester-Andersen > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Janina Sajka @ ` Adam Myrow ` Lorenzo Prince ` (2 more replies) ` Charles Crawford 1 sibling, 3 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Adam Myrow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup So, why did Redhat choose to drop Speakup from their next version? It sounds like maybe somebody didn't like the modified kernel. So, they should have done like Slackware and gave the user a choice of a Speakup-enabled kernel or not. BTW, Slackware 9.0 just came out and has Gnome 2.2 with accessibility plug-ins, and still supports Speakup. It is down to a boot disk and two root disks to install, but also has a third option which is some sort of boot manager on a separate disk that will supposedly boot a CDROM even on computers that otherwise can't boot one. I don't know if this will speak or not, but it sure sounds interesting. I sure hope Redhat reconsiders dropping Speakup as it is a major step in the wrong direction. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Adam Myrow @ ` Lorenzo Prince ` Adam Myrow ` Juan Hernandez ` Aaron Howell ` Janina Sajka 2 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Lorenzo Prince @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup So how do I get Gnome to work on my Slackware 9.0 system? When I type 'gdm' which I thought was the command to start Gnome, it does nothing. Thanks, Lorenzo E Pluribus Unix On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Adam Myrow wrote: > So, why did Redhat choose to drop Speakup from their next version? It > sounds like maybe somebody didn't like the modified kernel. So, they > should have done like Slackware and gave the user a choice of a > Speakup-enabled kernel or not. BTW, Slackware 9.0 just came out and has > Gnome 2.2 with accessibility plug-ins, and still supports Speakup. It is > down to a boot disk and two root disks to install, but also has a third > option which is some sort of boot manager on a separate disk that will > supposedly boot a CDROM even on computers that otherwise can't boot one. > I don't know if this will speak or not, but it sure sounds interesting. I > sure hope Redhat reconsiders dropping Speakup as it is a major step in the > wrong direction. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Lorenzo Prince @ ` Adam Myrow ` Juan Hernandez 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Adam Myrow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > So how do I get Gnome to work on my Slackware 9.0 system? When I type > 'gdm' which I thought was the command to start Gnome, it does nothing. Gnome is part of X-windows, so X-windows has to be running. The easiest way to get it up and running in Slackware is to type "xwmconfig" and select Gnome as your default window manager. Then, type "startx" from a shell prompt. Just to clarify, I still can't use Gnome with speech as the Gnopernicus screen reader isn't yet ready for production use. Slackware has the right version of Gnome and some accessibility plug-ins, but I don't know what else would be required other than the CVS copy of Gnopernicus. I suspect that large print users may be in luck, but I don't think a person who relies exclusively on speech is. I know some people have played with the stuff, and I want to, but don't know where to start. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Lorenzo Prince ` Adam Myrow @ ` Juan Hernandez ` Lorenzo Prince 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Juan Hernandez @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup people can now use x-windows??? How??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Speakup and phoebe > So how do I get Gnome to work on my Slackware 9.0 system? When I type > 'gdm' which I thought was the command to start Gnome, it does nothing. > > Thanks, > Lorenzo > > E Pluribus Unix > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Adam Myrow wrote: > > > So, why did Redhat choose to drop Speakup from their next version? It > > sounds like maybe somebody didn't like the modified kernel. So, they > > should have done like Slackware and gave the user a choice of a > > Speakup-enabled kernel or not. BTW, Slackware 9.0 just came out and has > > Gnome 2.2 with accessibility plug-ins, and still supports Speakup. It is > > down to a boot disk and two root disks to install, but also has a third > > option which is some sort of boot manager on a separate disk that will > > supposedly boot a CDROM even on computers that otherwise can't boot one. > > I don't know if this will speak or not, but it sure sounds interesting. I > > sure hope Redhat reconsiders dropping Speakup as it is a major step in the > > wrong direction. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Juan Hernandez @ ` Lorenzo Prince ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Lorenzo Prince @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Well, there are screen readers for x-windows, and also specifically for gnome, but they are in early development and are not production quality at this point. However, now that I am able to actually run x-windows, I would like to try some or all of these programs. Lorenzo E Pluribus Unix On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Juan Hernandez wrote: > people can now use x-windows??? > > > How??? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: Speakup and phoebe > > > > So how do I get Gnome to work on my Slackware 9.0 system? When I type > > 'gdm' which I thought was the command to start Gnome, it does nothing. > > > > Thanks, > > Lorenzo > > > > E Pluribus Unix > > > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Adam Myrow wrote: > > > > > So, why did Redhat choose to drop Speakup from their next version? It > > > sounds like maybe somebody didn't like the modified kernel. So, they > > > should have done like Slackware and gave the user a choice of a > > > Speakup-enabled kernel or not. BTW, Slackware 9.0 just came out and has > > > Gnome 2.2 with accessibility plug-ins, and still supports Speakup. It > is > > > down to a boot disk and two root disks to install, but also has a third > > > option which is some sort of boot manager on a separate disk that will > > > supposedly boot a CDROM even on computers that otherwise can't boot one. > > > I don't know if this will speak or not, but it sure sounds interesting. > I > > > sure hope Redhat reconsiders dropping Speakup as it is a major step in > the > > > wrong direction. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Lorenzo Prince @ ` Alex Snow 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I'd wait till the become a little more usable. from what I've heard they are quite early in development and not really usalbe quite yet. -- A message from the system administrator: "I've upped my priority, now up yours!" On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Lorenzo Prince wrote: > Well, there are screen readers for x-windows, and also specifically for > gnome, but they are in early development and are not production quality at > this point. However, now that I am able to actually run x-windows, I > would like to try some or all of these programs. > > Lorenzo > > E Pluribus Unix > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Juan Hernandez wrote: > > > people can now use x-windows??? > > > > > > How??? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lorenzo Prince" <lorenzo@princenet.sytes.net> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca> > > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:03 AM > > Subject: Re: Speakup and phoebe > > > > > > > So how do I get Gnome to work on my Slackware 9.0 system? When I type > > > 'gdm' which I thought was the command to start Gnome, it does nothing. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Lorenzo > > > > > > E Pluribus Unix > > > > > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Adam Myrow wrote: > > > > > > > So, why did Redhat choose to drop Speakup from their next version? It > > > > sounds like maybe somebody didn't like the modified kernel. So, they > > > > should have done like Slackware and gave the user a choice of a > > > > Speakup-enabled kernel or not. BTW, Slackware 9.0 just came out and has > > > > Gnome 2.2 with accessibility plug-ins, and still supports Speakup. It > > is > > > > down to a boot disk and two root disks to install, but also has a third > > > > option which is some sort of boot manager on a separate disk that will > > > > supposedly boot a CDROM even on computers that otherwise can't boot one. > > > > I don't know if this will speak or not, but it sure sounds interesting. > > I > > > > sure hope Redhat reconsiders dropping Speakup as it is a major step in > > the > > > > wrong direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Adam Myrow ` Lorenzo Prince @ ` Aaron Howell ` Janina Sajka ` Alex Snow ` Janina Sajka 2 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Aaron Howell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup RedHat didn't drop speakup. They never included it in the first place. The fact that speakup made it into redHat 8 was entirely to do with the fact that they were using an alan Cocks patched version of 2.4.18, which happened to include speakup. Now they aren't using a -ac kernel so no more speakup. it wasn't a conscious decision on the part of RedHat. RedHat in fact is very resistant to including third party accessibility software - just try to get permission to use speakup or any other screen reader for that matter in your RHCE exam and find out how much success you don't have. This is a bit of an inditement on RedHat actually, but its a good thing for distros like Slackware and Debian who can create a bit of a nitch market amongst the vision impaired. Regards Aaron On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 06:17:26AM -0600, Adam Myrow wrote: > So, why did Redhat choose to drop Speakup from their next version? It > sounds like maybe somebody didn't like the modified kernel. So, they > should have done like Slackware and gave the user a choice of a > Speakup-enabled kernel or not. BTW, Slackware 9.0 just came out and has > Gnome 2.2 with accessibility plug-ins, and still supports Speakup. It is > down to a boot disk and two root disks to install, but also has a third > option which is some sort of boot manager on a separate disk that will > supposedly boot a CDROM even on computers that otherwise can't boot one. > I don't know if this will speak or not, but it sure sounds interesting. I > sure hope Redhat reconsiders dropping Speakup as it is a major step in the > wrong direction. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Aaron Howell @ ` Janina Sajka ` Aaron Howell ` Alex Snow 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I don't know about your analysis. I do know, however, that not everyone at Red Hat resists accessibility, even if some folks there don't understand what it means and why it belongs in Red Hat distributions. I can't agree with this blanket indictment because I happen to have direct and specific knowledge to the contrary. Please understand that I am not trying to invalidate any experience you might have had. I'm simply saying that oversimplifying and painting the entire company with categorical statements like yours is neither helpful nor accurate. Aaron Howell writes: > From: Aaron Howell <aaron@kitten.net.au> > > RedHat didn't drop speakup. > They never included it in the first place. > The fact that speakup made it into redHat 8 was entirely to do with the fact that they were using an alan Cocks patched version of 2.4.18, > which happened to include speakup. > Now they aren't using a -ac kernel so no more speakup. > it wasn't a conscious decision on the part of RedHat. > RedHat in fact is very resistant to including third party accessibility software - just try to get permission to use speakup or any other screen reader for that matter in your RHCE exam and find out how much success you don't have. > This is a bit of an inditement on RedHat actually, but its a good thing for distros like Slackware and Debian who can create a bit of a nitch market amongst the vision impaired. > Regards > Aaron > On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 06:17:26AM -0600, Adam Myrow wrote: > > So, why did Redhat choose to drop Speakup from their next version? It > > sounds like maybe somebody didn't like the modified kernel. So, they > > should have done like Slackware and gave the user a choice of a > > Speakup-enabled kernel or not. BTW, Slackware 9.0 just came out and has > > Gnome 2.2 with accessibility plug-ins, and still supports Speakup. It is > > down to a boot disk and two root disks to install, but also has a third > > option which is some sort of boot manager on a separate disk that will > > supposedly boot a CDROM even on computers that otherwise can't boot one. > > I don't know if this will speak or not, but it sure sounds interesting. I > > sure hope Redhat reconsiders dropping Speakup as it is a major step in the > > wrong direction. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Janina Sajka @ ` Aaron Howell 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Aaron Howell @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup You're right, I apologize. Its just that my dealings WRT accessibility of redHat products have been less than positive. That might be a function of RedHat Asia pacific though, and isn't necessarily the case in the U.S. I could tell you an absolute nightmare story about me and the RHCE exam, but I'll keep it off-list. (yes, I did pass, but no thanks to RedHat making it as hard as they possibly could for me to take part). Regards Aaron On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 07:19:55PM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > I don't know about your analysis. I do know, however, that not everyone at Red Hat resists accessibility, even if some folks there don't understand what it means and > why it belongs in Red Hat distributions. I can't agree with this blanket indictment because I happen to have direct and specific knowledge to the contrary. Please > understand that I am not trying to invalidate any experience you might have had. I'm simply saying that oversimplifying and painting the entire company with > categorical statements like yours is neither helpful nor accurate. > > Aaron Howell writes: > > From: Aaron Howell <aaron@kitten.net.au> > > > > RedHat didn't drop speakup. > > They never included it in the first place. > > The fact that speakup made it into redHat 8 was entirely to do with the fact that they were using an alan Cocks patched version of 2.4.18, > > which happened to include speakup. > > Now they aren't using a -ac kernel so no more speakup. > > it wasn't a conscious decision on the part of RedHat. > > RedHat in fact is very resistant to including third party accessibility software - just try to get permission to use speakup or any other screen reader for that matter in your RHCE exam and find out how much success you don't have. > > This is a bit of an inditement on RedHat actually, but its a good thing for distros like Slackware and Debian who can create a bit of a nitch market amongst the vision impaired. > > Regards > > Aaron > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 06:17:26AM -0600, Adam Myrow wrote: > > > So, why did Redhat choose to drop Speakup from their next version? It > > > sounds like maybe somebody didn't like the modified kernel. So, they > > > should have done like Slackware and gave the user a choice of a > > > Speakup-enabled kernel or not. BTW, Slackware 9.0 just came out and has > > > Gnome 2.2 with accessibility plug-ins, and still supports Speakup. It is > > > down to a boot disk and two root disks to install, but also has a third > > > option which is some sort of boot manager on a separate disk that will > > > supposedly boot a CDROM even on computers that otherwise can't boot one. > > > I don't know if this will speak or not, but it sure sounds interesting. I > > > sure hope Redhat reconsiders dropping Speakup as it is a major step in the > > > wrong direction. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Aaron Howell ` Janina Sajka @ ` Alex Snow 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Alex Snow @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup That's why I use slackware -- A message from the system administrator: "I've upped my priority, now up yours!" On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, Aaron Howell wrote: > RedHat didn't drop speakup. > They never included it in the first place. > The fact that speakup made it into redHat 8 was entirely to do with the fact that they were using an alan Cocks patched version of 2.4.18, > which happened to include speakup. > Now they aren't using a -ac kernel so no more speakup. > it wasn't a conscious decision on the part of RedHat. > RedHat in fact is very resistant to including third party accessibility software - just try to get permission to use speakup or any other screen reader for that matter in your RHCE exam and find out how much success you don't have. > This is a bit of an inditement on RedHat actually, but its a good thing for distros like Slackware and Debian who can create a bit of a nitch market amongst the vision impaired. > Regards > Aaron > On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 06:17:26AM -0600, Adam Myrow wrote: > > So, why did Redhat choose to drop Speakup from their next version? It > > sounds like maybe somebody didn't like the modified kernel. So, they > > should have done like Slackware and gave the user a choice of a > > Speakup-enabled kernel or not. BTW, Slackware 9.0 just came out and has > > Gnome 2.2 with accessibility plug-ins, and still supports Speakup. It is > > down to a boot disk and two root disks to install, but also has a third > > option which is some sort of boot manager on a separate disk that will > > supposedly boot a CDROM even on computers that otherwise can't boot one. > > I don't know if this will speak or not, but it sure sounds interesting. I > > sure hope Redhat reconsiders dropping Speakup as it is a major step in the > > wrong direction. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Adam Myrow ` Lorenzo Prince ` Aaron Howell @ ` Janina Sajka 2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I don't know the specifics of why, but understand it had to do with some security audit. Unfortunately, it wasn't cleared up in time. You are quite correct that this is a step in the wrong direction, and I join your concern that Speakup be returned to the kernels and boot disks shipped by the next Red Hat versions. Adam Myrow writes: > From: Adam Myrow <amyrow@midsouth.rr.com> > > So, why did Redhat choose to drop Speakup from their next version? It > sounds like maybe somebody didn't like the modified kernel. So, they > should have done like Slackware and gave the user a choice of a > Speakup-enabled kernel or not. BTW, Slackware 9.0 just came out and has > Gnome 2.2 with accessibility plug-ins, and still supports Speakup. It is > down to a boot disk and two root disks to install, but also has a third > option which is some sort of boot manager on a separate disk that will > supposedly boot a CDROM even on computers that otherwise can't boot one. > I don't know if this will speak or not, but it sure sounds interesting. I > sure hope Redhat reconsiders dropping Speakup as it is a major step in the > wrong direction. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Janina Sajka ` Adam Myrow @ ` Charles Crawford ` Janina Sajka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Charles Crawford @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Is there someone to write at Redhat about this sillyness? -- charlie. At 10:34 PM 3/26/03 -0500, you wrote: >As you've sadly discovered, Speakup is not included with Red Hat's current >beta called Phoebe, nor will it be included in the upcoming release of Red >Hat 9.0. We are >hoping and expecting it to be restored to Red Hat in their next release, >but that doesn't help us now. > >The floppy diskette images from Red Hat 8.0 will not work for installing >9.0 or Phoebe. Bill Acker is working on a solution, but don't expect >anything for a few weeks. > >Meanwhile, if you have two machines available, you might be able to >install using telnet as follows: > >1.) Boot the system on which you want to install using a non-speaking >boot floppy. You will press enter twice, I think--I will confirm this in a >forthcoming HOWTO. > > Use the following command at the Boot> prompt: > > text telnet > >2.) Use your second machine's ping command as follows to discover the >address dhcp gave to your target machine. > ping -b x.y.z.255 > >NOTE: You need to know what domain is providing dhcp in ytour network. For >example, on my system it's 192.168.10.* > >3.) telnet to that address and install as usual. > >Of course, this won't take care of everyone. Please be patient. > >Bue Vester-Andersen writes: > > From: Bue Vester-Andersen <listadr1@dkblind.dk> > > > > Hi, > > > > It seems like speakup is not going to be included with Phoebe. At least it > > is not in the current beta. I downloaded phoebe in order to try > gnopernicus, > > but I need speakup to operate in text mode. Can I just use the boot disk > > from redhat 8.0? Will there be a special speakup release of Phoebe or will > > speakup eventually be in the plain distribution. > > > > Best regards > > Bue Vester-Andersen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >-- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > >Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Charles Crawford @ ` Janina Sajka ` ccrawford 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Why not? Would ACB write a letter? I think the Director of Technology Research and Development at AFB will. Charles Crawford writes: > From: Charles Crawford <ccrawford@acb.org> > > Is there someone to write at Redhat about this sillyness? > > -- charlie. > At 10:34 PM 3/26/03 -0500, you wrote: > >As you've sadly discovered, Speakup is not included with Red Hat's current > >beta called Phoebe, nor will it be included in the upcoming release of Red > >Hat 9.0. We are > >hoping and expecting it to be restored to Red Hat in their next release, > >but that doesn't help us now. > > > >The floppy diskette images from Red Hat 8.0 will not work for installing > >9.0 or Phoebe. Bill Acker is working on a solution, but don't expect > >anything for a few weeks. > > > >Meanwhile, if you have two machines available, you might be able to > >install using telnet as follows: > > > >1.) Boot the system on which you want to install using a non-speaking > >boot floppy. You will press enter twice, I think--I will confirm this in a > >forthcoming HOWTO. > > > > Use the following command at the Boot> prompt: > > > > text telnet > > > >2.) Use your second machine's ping command as follows to discover the > >address dhcp gave to your target machine. > > ping -b x.y.z.255 > > > >NOTE: You need to know what domain is providing dhcp in ytour network. For > >example, on my system it's 192.168.10.* > > > >3.) telnet to that address and install as usual. > > > >Of course, this won't take care of everyone. Please be patient. > > > >Bue Vester-Andersen writes: > >> From: Bue Vester-Andersen <listadr1@dkblind.dk> > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> It seems like speakup is not going to be included with Phoebe. At least > >it > >> is not in the current beta. I downloaded phoebe in order to try > >gnopernicus, > >> but I need speakup to operate in text mode. Can I just use the boot disk > >> from redhat 8.0? Will there be a special speakup release of Phoebe or > >will > >> speakup eventually be in the plain distribution. > >> > >> Best regards > >> Bue Vester-Andersen > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > >-- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > >Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: Speakup and phoebe ` Janina Sajka @ ` ccrawford 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: ccrawford @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Yes, we will write a letter to be sure. -- charlie. On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Janina Sajka wrote: > Why not? Would ACB write a letter? I think the Director of Technology Research and Development at AFB will. > > > Charles Crawford writes: > > From: Charles Crawford <ccrawford@acb.org> > > > > Is there someone to write at Redhat about this sillyness? > > > > -- charlie. > > At 10:34 PM 3/26/03 -0500, you wrote: > > >As you've sadly discovered, Speakup is not included with Red Hat's current > > >beta called Phoebe, nor will it be included in the upcoming release of Red > > >Hat 9.0. We are > > >hoping and expecting it to be restored to Red Hat in their next release, > > >but that doesn't help us now. > > > > > >The floppy diskette images from Red Hat 8.0 will not work for installing > > >9.0 or Phoebe. Bill Acker is working on a solution, but don't expect > > >anything for a few weeks. > > > > > >Meanwhile, if you have two machines available, you might be able to > > >install using telnet as follows: > > > > > >1.) Boot the system on which you want to install using a non-speaking > > >boot floppy. You will press enter twice, I think--I will confirm this in a > > >forthcoming HOWTO. > > > > > > Use the following command at the Boot> prompt: > > > > > > text telnet > > > > > >2.) Use your second machine's ping command as follows to discover the > > >address dhcp gave to your target machine. > > > ping -b x.y.z.255 > > > > > >NOTE: You need to know what domain is providing dhcp in ytour network. For > > >example, on my system it's 192.168.10.* > > > > > >3.) telnet to that address and install as usual. > > > > > >Of course, this won't take care of everyone. Please be patient. > > > > > >Bue Vester-Andersen writes: > > >> From: Bue Vester-Andersen <listadr1@dkblind.dk> > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> It seems like speakup is not going to be included with Phoebe. At least > > >it > > >> is not in the current beta. I downloaded phoebe in order to try > > >gnopernicus, > > >> but I need speakup to operate in text mode. Can I just use the boot disk > > >> from redhat 8.0? Will there be a special speakup release of Phoebe or > > >will > > >> speakup eventually be in the plain distribution. > > >> > > >> Best regards > > >> Bue Vester-Andersen > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Speakup mailing list > > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > >-- > > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > > Technology Research and Development > > > Governmental Relations Group > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > > >Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Speakup mailing list > > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~ UTC | newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed)
-- links below jump to the message on this page --
[not found] <20030327162301.20073.51850.Mailman@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
` Speakup and phoebe Thomas Ward
` Kirk Reiser
` Janina Sajka
Bue Vester-Andersen
` Janina Sajka
` Adam Myrow
` Lorenzo Prince
` Adam Myrow
` Juan Hernandez
` Lorenzo Prince
` Alex Snow
` Aaron Howell
` Janina Sajka
` Aaron Howell
` Alex Snow
` Janina Sajka
` Charles Crawford
` Janina Sajka
` ccrawford
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox; as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).