word processor wanted

word processor wanted

[Ralph W. Reid]

I recently aquired the Linux shell box from my ISP when it was being
taken out of service.  I had planned to merge stuff from my old DOS
system with the Linux system to make a dual boot system with speech
synthesizer support for both operating systems.  However, my old hard
drive with all of my DOS stuff on it failed to spin up after it was
removed from its old home in my antique tower.  So, I am now doing
everything with Linux and Speakup--not a bad thing certainly, but I
need to get a few more things running to complete the transition.
The most important thing I need to get running ASAP is a word
processor.  I used Word Perfect since 1987, but I am willing to learn
something new to get things going on Linux if I need to.  I think Red
Hat offers a business package which includes a recent version of Word
Perfect, but I am not in a position to shell out that kind of money
right now.  Is there a word processor out there somewhere that works
with Speakup and Slackware Linux 8.0?  I suppose I could start
writing my own wordd processor in C, but that would be a big project,
and I do not have the time to take on such a monster right now.  I do
not need anything too fancy--it needs to let me edit text which will
be printed onto several pages, must include word wrap, and a built in
spell checker would be nice.  Any hints about where I might findd
such a creature will be appreciated, and I will also appreciate any
pointers to more complex word processors for Linux.  Linux is great,
Speakup is great, I just need to get a few more tools working to
really get this machine working for me.

Thanks for your tips, and have a _great_ day!


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_PI = 4 * ARCTAN (1)

Re: word processor wanted

[Doug Lawlor]

If all you need is something that can edit text, wordwrap, and spell
check, check out 'nano' at http://www.nano-editor.org.  The only problem
is you will have to convert your word perfect files to ASCII to use
hem.  

Doug


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word processor wanted

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

<smile>  Ralph, you want a word processor?  Well, there are a couple
of choices.  First is VI which I think is on your system already.
Second is emacs, which runs very well with speakup, but the cursoring
is not as good as it might be.  You might consider running emacspeak
in conjunction with speakup.  There's also micro emacs, a tiny version
of emacs.  It also works well with speakup with the cursoring problems
still evident.  My preference is for running emacspeak and speakup
concurrently!  Not sure how to tell you to set this up, somebody did
it for me.  But the combination is awesome! 

<smiling>  All these alternatives cost nothing! 

Ann P.

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Re: word processor wanted

[Steve Holmes]

Probably about the next best thing would be Emacs.  It is hardly a
"what you see is what you get" word processer but it is one hell of a
text editor.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 07:20:47AM -0700, Ralph W. Reid wrote:
> I recently aquired the Linux shell box from my ISP when it was being
> taken out of service.  I had planned to merge stuff from my old DOS
> system with the Linux system to make a dual boot system with speech
> synthesizer support for both operating systems.  However, my old hard
> drive with all of my DOS stuff on it failed to spin up after it was
> removed from its old home in my antique tower.  So, I am now doing
> everything with Linux and Speakup--not a bad thing certainly, but I
> need to get a few more things running to complete the transition.
> The most important thing I need to get running ASAP is a word
> processor.  I used Word Perfect since 1987, but I am willing to learn
> something new to get things going on Linux if I need to.  I think Red
> Hat offers a business package which includes a recent version of Word
> Perfect, but I am not in a position to shell out that kind of money
> right now.  Is there a word processor out there somewhere that works
> with Speakup and Slackware Linux 8.0?  I suppose I could start
> writing my own wordd processor in C, but that would be a big project,
> and I do not have the time to take on such a monster right now.  I do
> not need anything too fancy--it needs to let me edit text which will
> be printed onto several pages, must include word wrap, and a built in
> spell checker would be nice.  Any hints about where I might findd
> such a creature will be appreciated, and I will also appreciate any
> pointers to more complex word processors for Linux.  Linux is great,
> Speakup is great, I just need to get a few more tools working to
> really get this machine working for me.
> 
> Thanks for your tips, and have a _great_ day!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ralph.  N6BNO.  Wisdom comes from central processing, not from I/O.
> rreid@sunset.net  http://personalweb.sunset.net/~rreid
> Opinions herein are either mine or they are flame bait.
> _PI = 4 * ARCTAN (1)
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: word processor wanted

[Charles Crawford]

Ralph,

Use Nano -- it works well and has the spell checking too.

-- charlie.
At 07:20 AM 10/17/02 -0700, you wrote:
>I recently aquired the Linux shell box from my ISP when it was being
>taken out of service.  I had planned to merge stuff from my old DOS
>system with the Linux system to make a dual boot system with speech
>synthesizer support for both operating systems.  However, my old hard
>drive with all of my DOS stuff on it failed to spin up after it was
>removed from its old home in my antique tower.  So, I am now doing
>everything with Linux and Speakup--not a bad thing certainly, but I
>need to get a few more things running to complete the transition.
>The most important thing I need to get running ASAP is a word
>processor.  I used Word Perfect since 1987, but I am willing to learn
>something new to get things going on Linux if I need to.  I think Red
>Hat offers a business package which includes a recent version of Word
>Perfect, but I am not in a position to shell out that kind of money
>right now.  Is there a word processor out there somewhere that works
>with Speakup and Slackware Linux 8.0?  I suppose I could start
>writing my own wordd processor in C, but that would be a big project,
>and I do not have the time to take on such a monster right now.  I do
>not need anything too fancy--it needs to let me edit text which will
>be printed onto several pages, must include word wrap, and a built in
>spell checker would be nice.  Any hints about where I might findd
>such a creature will be appreciated, and I will also appreciate any
>pointers to more complex word processors for Linux.  Linux is great,
>Speakup is great, I just need to get a few more tools working to
>really get this machine working for me.
>
>Thanks for your tips, and have a _great_ day!
>
>
>--
>Ralph.  N6BNO.  Wisdom comes from central processing, not from I/O.
>rreid@sunset.net  http://personalweb.sunset.net/~rreid
>Opinions herein are either mine or they are flame bait.
>_PI = 4 * ARCTAN (1)
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: word processor wanted

[Igor Gueths]

Hi there. You should check out Emacs. http://www.gnu.org. Speaking of
Emacs, does it support word rap?

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On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Ralph W. Reid wrote:

> I recently aquired the Linux shell box from my ISP when it was being
> taken out of service.  I had planned to merge stuff from my old DOS
> system with the Linux system to make a dual boot system with speech
> synthesizer support for both operating systems.  However, my old hard
> drive with all of my DOS stuff on it failed to spin up after it was
> removed from its old home in my antique tower.  So, I am now doing
> everything with Linux and Speakup--not a bad thing certainly, but I
> need to get a few more things running to complete the transition.
> The most important thing I need to get running ASAP is a word
> processor.  I used Word Perfect since 1987, but I am willing to learn
> something new to get things going on Linux if I need to.  I think Red
> Hat offers a business package which includes a recent version of Word
> Perfect, but I am not in a position to shell out that kind of money
> right now.  Is there a word processor out there somewhere that works
> with Speakup and Slackware Linux 8.0?  I suppose I could start
> writing my own wordd processor in C, but that would be a big project,
> and I do not have the time to take on such a monster right now.  I do
> not need anything too fancy--it needs to let me edit text which will
> be printed onto several pages, must include word wrap, and a built in
> spell checker would be nice.  Any hints about where I might findd
> such a creature will be appreciated, and I will also appreciate any
> pointers to more complex word processors for Linux.  Linux is great,
> Speakup is great, I just need to get a few more tools working to
> really get this machine working for me.
>
> Thanks for your tips, and have a _great_ day!
>
>
> --
> Ralph.  N6BNO.  Wisdom comes from central processing, not from I/O.
> rreid@sunset.net  http://personalweb.sunset.net/~rreid
> Opinions herein are either mine or they are flame bait.
> _PI = 4 * ARCTAN (1)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: word processor wanted

[Steve Holmes]

Yes, it is called auto-fill-mode and it can be hooked to specific
editing modes like text so whenever you open a file with a given
extension, let's say, you will automatically get fill-mode without
having to do anything special.

On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 02:55:00PM -0400, Igor Gueths wrote:
> Hi there. You should check out Emacs. http://www.gnu.org. Speaking of
> Emacs, does it support word rap?
> 
> Microsoft dialogue
> This company has performed an illegal operation and will be shutdown. If this problem persists, delete Winblows and install Linux. Close button
> 
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Ralph W. Reid wrote:
> 
> > I recently aquired the Linux shell box from my ISP when it was being
> > taken out of service.  I had planned to merge stuff from my old DOS
> > system with the Linux system to make a dual boot system with speech
> > synthesizer support for both operating systems.  However, my old hard
> > drive with all of my DOS stuff on it failed to spin up after it was
> > removed from its old home in my antique tower.  So, I am now doing
> > everything with Linux and Speakup--not a bad thing certainly, but I
> > need to get a few more things running to complete the transition.
> > The most important thing I need to get running ASAP is a word
> > processor.  I used Word Perfect since 1987, but I am willing to learn
> > something new to get things going on Linux if I need to.  I think Red
> > Hat offers a business package which includes a recent version of Word
> > Perfect, but I am not in a position to shell out that kind of money
> > right now.  Is there a word processor out there somewhere that works
> > with Speakup and Slackware Linux 8.0?  I suppose I could start
> > writing my own wordd processor in C, but that would be a big project,
> > and I do not have the time to take on such a monster right now.  I do
> > not need anything too fancy--it needs to let me edit text which will
> > be printed onto several pages, must include word wrap, and a built in
> > spell checker would be nice.  Any hints about where I might findd
> > such a creature will be appreciated, and I will also appreciate any
> > pointers to more complex word processors for Linux.  Linux is great,
> > Speakup is great, I just need to get a few more tools working to
> > really get this machine working for me.
> >
> > Thanks for your tips, and have a _great_ day!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ralph.  N6BNO.  Wisdom comes from central processing, not from I/O.
> > rreid@sunset.net  http://personalweb.sunset.net/~rreid
> > Opinions herein are either mine or they are flame bait.
> > _PI = 4 * ARCTAN (1)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: word processor wanted

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Good Heavens, Igor, Emacs is the language in which book gally proofs
are written.  Does it support wordwrap?  Phaw, it supports that and
much much more.

Ann P.

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email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: word processor wanted

[Jude DaShiell]

Unless you can run x, wordperfect on linux is useless.  There's no text
interface available for that, thank corel corporation for that wise
decission.  Secretaries where I worked had emacs running and used it as
their only wordprocessor and when a very stupid employee suggested to them
they upgrade to microsoft word, he got several serious offers for bodily
injury in response.  Needless to say, that employee didn't do that again.

Re: word processor wanted

[Jude DaShiell]

I got processor speaker not running from latest version of emacspeak built
for slackware that was 12.0 when I tried installing emacspeak and getting
it running.  This is while speakup has my external doubletalk talking.

Re: word processor wanted

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

<smiling>  I wonder if a court would take extreme uselessness and
inconvenience and poor work time as good reason for your secretaries
actions in doing bodily harm to the nincompoop who suggested changing
from Emacs to MSWord!  I think that a judge might just do that! 

<grinning>  Ann P.
Emacs user and proud of it!

>>>>> "Jude" == Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@shellworld.net> writes:

    Jude> Unless you can run x, wordperfect on linux is useless.
    Jude> There's no text interface available for that, thank corel
    Jude> corporation for that wise decission.  Secretaries where I
    Jude> worked had emacs running and used it as their only
    Jude> wordprocessor and when a very stupid employee suggested to
    Jude> them they upgrade to microsoft word, he got several serious
    Jude> offers for bodily injury in response.  Needless to say, that
    Jude> employee didn't do that again.





    Jude> _______________________________________________ Speakup
    Jude> mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
    Jude> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: word processor wanted

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Turn off the speakup before running emacspeak.  You have to do that.
You can run speakup in a different buffer.

Ann P.

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email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT

Re: word processor wanted

[Scott Howell]

Ok, I can't help but ask. I've been hearing about this festival and 
taling emax. SO, I gather that if you can get your hands on festival, 
you can setup emax with the speech server and use software speech of 
sorts with it?
I've thought about playing with emacs speech, but not sure if it would 
be of value or not.
I guess it would be something interesting in at least what the 
environment is like.

Btw, I've been really trying to wrack my brain here, but there was a 
console word processor, but it was not free unfortunately. I just can't 
think of it. I had tried it at one point and the time ran out on it 
before I could really get into learning it. I will say though that nano 
is more than good enough for 80% of most word processing jobs. I don't 
think there's a way to do underlining, bolding, etc., but that would be 
about the only things that come to mind you would need generally. Sure 
labels and all that other murging stuff is what you get with most word 
processing packages. 

Scott


On Sun, Oct 20, 2002 at 12:06:25AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> I got processor speaker not running from latest version of emacspeak built
> for slackware that was 12.0 when I tried installing emacspeak and getting
> it running.  This is while speakup has my external doubletalk talking.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: word processor wanted

[Alex Snow]

Of course he wouldn't do that again.  What would be the point of switching
to macroslop word?
Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm
sick of Winblows!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: word processor wanted


> Unless you can run x, wordperfect on linux is useless.  There's no text
> interface available for that, thank corel corporation for that wise
> decission.  Secretaries where I worked had emacs running and used it as
> their only wordprocessor and when a very stupid employee suggested to them
> they upgrade to microsoft word, he got several serious offers for bodily
> injury in response.  Needless to say, that employee didn't do that again.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: word processor wanted

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Ann. Problem with this is that in my case, I never got Speakup to
successfully let go of ttyS0 when I killed Speakup to run Emacspeak.
Needless to say Tcl got mad and yelled at me. It seems that the kernel
reserves the port at boottime, and in order to free up the port you have
to pass some lilo flags before the kernel boots (speakup_synth=none).

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On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Turn off the speakup before running emacspeak.  You have to do that.
> You can run speakup in a different buffer.
>
> Ann P.
>
> --
> 			Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>
>
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>

Re: word processor wanted

[Jude DaShiell]

Hi Anne, I'm pretty sure the Judge would go as far as allowing that it was
a praiseworthy murder in the event mouse_brain failed to recover from
injuries.  Bucks County Judges though in a suburban County are not your
garden variety back woods specials.



On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Ann Parsons wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> <smiling>  I wonder if a court would take extreme uselessness and
> inconvenience and poor work time as good reason for your secretaries
> actions in doing bodily harm to the nincompoop who suggested changing
> from Emacs to MSWord!  I think that a judge might just do that!
>
> <grinning>  Ann P.
> Emacs user and proud of it!
>
> >>>>> "Jude" == Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@shellworld.net> writes:
>
>     Jude> Unless you can run x, wordperfect on linux is useless.
>     Jude> There's no text interface available for that, thank corel
>     Jude> corporation for that wise decission.  Secretaries where I
>     Jude> worked had emacs running and used it as their only
>     Jude> wordprocessor and when a very stupid employee suggested to
>     Jude> them they upgrade to microsoft word, he got several serious
>     Jude> offers for bodily injury in response.  Needless to say, that
>     Jude> employee didn't do that again.
>
>
>
>
>
>     Jude> _______________________________________________ Speakup
>     Jude> mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>     Jude> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
> 			Ann K. Parsons
> email:  akp@eznet.net 			ICQ Number:  33006854
> WEB SITE:  http://home.eznet.net/~akp
> "All that is gold does not glitter.  Not all those who wander are lost."  JRRT
>
>
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>

Re: word processor wanted

[Bear in SFO]

Emacs...

At 07:20 AM 10/17/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>I recently aquired the Linux shell box from my ISP when it was being
>taken out of service.  I had planned to merge stuff from my old DOS
>system with the Linux system to make a dual boot system with speech
>synthesizer support for both operating systems.  However, my old hard
>drive with all of my DOS stuff on it failed to spin up after it was
>removed from its old home in my antique tower.  So, I am now doing
>everything with Linux and Speakup--not a bad thing certainly, but I
>need to get a few more things running to complete the transition.
>The most important thing I need to get running ASAP is a word
>processor.  I used Word Perfect since 1987, but I am willing to learn
>something new to get things going on Linux if I need to.  I think Red
>Hat offers a business package which includes a recent version of Word
>Perfect, but I am not in a position to shell out that kind of money
>right now.  Is there a word processor out there somewhere that works
>with Speakup and Slackware Linux 8.0?  I suppose I could start
>writing my own wordd processor in C, but that would be a big project,
>and I do not have the time to take on such a monster right now.  I do
>not need anything too fancy--it needs to let me edit text which will
>be printed onto several pages, must include word wrap, and a built in
>spell checker would be nice.  Any hints about where I might findd
>such a creature will be appreciated, and I will also appreciate any
>pointers to more complex word processors for Linux.  Linux is great,
>Speakup is great, I just need to get a few more tools working to
>really get this machine working for me.
>
>Thanks for your tips, and have a _great_ day!
>
>
>--
>Ralph.  N6BNO.  Wisdom comes from central processing, not from I/O.
>rreid@sunset.net  http://personalweb.sunset.net/~rreid
>Opinions herein are either mine or they are flame bait.
>_PI = 4 * ARCTAN (1)
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: word processor wanted

[Jude DaShiell]

I had to do two things.  First run setserial /dev/ttyS0 skip_test auto_irq
autoconfigure.  Then hit insert-enter on numeric keypad.  Then run tcl
./doubletalk then run emacspeak.

Re: word processor wanted

[Jude DaShiell]

I'm pretty sure you can get key bindings for emacs that'll make it work
like wordperfect.  I remember having read email to that effect a few years
ago anyway.

Re: word processor wanted

[Charles Crawford]

Janina once mentioned to me that there was a WordPerfect 5.1 for 
Linux.  Has nayone a copy of it or know where it can be gotten?

-- charlie Crawford.
At 06:26 AM 10/23/02 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm pretty sure you can get key bindings for emacs that'll make it work
>like wordperfect.  I remember having read email to that effect a few years
>ago anyway.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: word processor wanted

[Sunfire]

if i remember that has nothing to do with emacspeak having to do with word
format or .doc


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: word processor wanted


> I had to do two things.  First run setserial /dev/ttyS0 skip_test auto_irq
> autoconfigure.  Then hit insert-enter on numeric keypad.  Then run tcl
> ./doubletalk then run emacspeak.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: word processor wanted

[Sunfire]

i think they are looking for a wp that not just feels like your using word
but one that actually makes the document itself compatible with word like
.doc extention.....
having the external feel of word is fine but it would really do nothing for
the document format itself...



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel@shellworld.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: word processor wanted


> I'm pretty sure you can get key bindings for emacs that'll make it work
> like wordperfect.  I remember having read email to that effect a few years
> ago anyway.
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Re: word processor wanted

[Patricia Logan]

Hi!

     Some of us at least are not talking about stinking Word,--I 
proudly lost out on working for a project for which using it was 
a requirement,--but we are talking about the old WordPerfect for 
DOS.  If there is really a linux version of WordPerfect 5.1 it 
would significantly improve not only my week and my month but my 
year!  Short of that, has anyone successfully run wp5.1 under DOS 
emu?  Sighted friends are telling me it can't be done.

     Pat Logan

Re: word processor wanted

[Ann Parsons]

Hi Charles,

Yeh, it's available, but you have to pay corel for it.

Ann P.

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Re: word processor wanted

[Jude DaShiell]

Unfortunately it won't.  Thank Corel corporation for only coming out with
a graphical version of wordperfect 5.1 for linux.  It needs x or it
doesn't go, and I'm not even sure that any of the talking x projects will
be able to make it behave well enough for any of us to use it at all.

Re: word processor wanted

[Charles Crawford]

Do know where and how much?

-- charlie Crawford.
At 03:41 PM 10/23/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Charles,
>
>Yeh, it's available, but you have to pay corel for it.
>
>Ann P.
>
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Re: word processor wanted

[jwantz]

Hi,
Several years ago I successfully used wp51 under dosemu when logged into 
a linux system through a network card.  It worked perfectly.


     Jim Wantz WB0TFK
On Wed, 23 Oct 
2002, Patricia Logan wrote:

> Hi!
> 
>      Some of us at least are not talking about stinking Word,--I 
> proudly lost out on working for a project for which using it was 
> a requirement,--but we are talking about the old WordPerfect for 
> DOS.  If there is really a linux version of WordPerfect 5.1 it 
> would significantly improve not only my week and my month but my 
> year!  Short of that, has anyone successfully run wp5.1 under DOS 
> emu?  Sighted friends are telling me it can't be done.
> 
>      Pat Logan
> 
> 
> 
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Re: word processor wanted

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Charles, they say it's defunked.  Sorry, I think it was $400.

Ann P.

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Re: word processor wanted

[Charles Crawford]

Interesting and cool.  Did you ever do it from the console?

-- Chrlie.
At 10:55 AM 10/24/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>Several years ago I successfully used wp51 under dosemu when logged into
>a linux system through a network card.  It worked perfectly.
>
>
>      Jim Wantz WB0TFK
>On Wed, 23 Oct
>2002, Patricia Logan wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> >      Some of us at least are not talking about stinking Word,--I
> > proudly lost out on working for a project for which using it was
> > a requirement,--but we are talking about the old WordPerfect for
> > DOS.  If there is really a linux version of WordPerfect 5.1 it
> > would significantly improve not only my week and my month but my
> > year!  Short of that, has anyone successfully run wp5.1 under DOS
> > emu?  Sighted friends are telling me it can't be done.
> >
> >      Pat Logan
> >
> >
> >
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Re: word processor wanted

[jwantz]

Hi Charley,
No--this was a long time before Speakup.

     Jim Wantz WB0TFK
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Charles 
Crawford wrote:

> Interesting and cool.  Did you ever do it from the console?
> 
> -- Chrlie.
> At 10:55 AM 10/24/02 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >Several years ago I successfully used wp51 under dosemu when logged into
> >a linux system through a network card.  It worked perfectly.
> >
> >
> >      Jim Wantz WB0TFK
> >On Wed, 23 Oct
> >2002, Patricia Logan wrote:
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > >      Some of us at least are not talking about stinking Word,--I
> > > proudly lost out on working for a project for which using it was
> > > a requirement,--but we are talking about the old WordPerfect for
> > > DOS.  If there is really a linux version of WordPerfect 5.1 it
> > > would significantly improve not only my week and my month but my
> > > year!  Short of that, has anyone successfully run wp5.1 under DOS
> > > emu?  Sighted friends are telling me it can't be done.
> > >
> > >      Pat Logan
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: word processor wanted

[Thomas Ward]

Hi.
Well, the Wordperfect for Linux had several problems. One of the major 
reasons they didn't make enough of a prophet off of it, and why it failed 
is the wrote the installer to work on Corel Linux and Debian only, and you 
couldn't install it on say red Hat.
They also had some deal going with Lokhi  Games, and when Lokhi  went bust 
Correl 
decided to pull there Linux products. Including Wordperfect 9.0 which had 
just come out, and which was suppose to feature an installer more 
compatible with Red Hat Linux.

As for it's accessability it was written using Motif which is alot 
moreaccessible  than most gui toolkits.

Re: word processor wanted

[Janina Sajka]

Corel's WP for Linux, at least the one I have, comes with rpms for installation. I wasn't able to get any use of it,
however, even though I had no problem installing it.

In my view, part of their failure on Linux comes from the fact that they ported their Windows thinking along with their
code--all the way down to the file naming conventions. It was really odd seeing files like /usr/sbin/[something].EXE

Very odd.

If you want to do WordPerfect on Linux, do wpdos, either 5.1 or 6.2, over dosemu. Consult:

http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/

Thomas Ward writes:
> From: Thomas Ward <slingshooter@valkyrie.net>
> 
> 
> Hi.
> Well, the Wordperfect for Linux had several problems. One of the major 
> reasons they didn't make enough of a prophet off of it, and why it failed 
> is the wrote the installer to work on Corel Linux and Debian only, and you 
> couldn't install it on say red Hat.
> They also had some deal going with Lokhi  Games, and when Lokhi  went bust 
> Correl 
> decided to pull there Linux products. Including Wordperfect 9.0 which had 
> just come out, and which was suppose to feature an installer more 
> compatible with Red Hat Linux.
> 
> As for it's accessability it was written using Motif which is alot 
> moreaccessible  than most gui toolkits.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: word processor wanted

[Steve Holmes]

See, here's another plug for free software! They stop selling it, and
the product is officially dead.  They don't make any money so why not
throw the source and all out there so someone can get the benefit of
it? Should make no economic difference to them.  This reminds me of
what some farmers did during the Depression: They couldn't get the
prices they wanted for oranges so instead of giving them away to the
poor or something, they covered them with creasoat and threw them into
the river so nobody could benefit!  Is that greed or what?!

On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 04:09:39AM -0400, Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> First, as for the Wordperfect line for Linux Corel canned the project, and
> at last notice they stopped selling it because they clame they weren't
> making enough money at it.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: word processor wanted

[Thomas Ward]

Hi.

First, as for the Wordperfect line for Linux Corel canned the project, and
at last notice they stopped selling it because they clame they weren't
making enough money at it.

Re: word processor wanted

[Bear in SFO]

No matter what I do, all I get is 'const' 'const' 'const'...

At 03:32 AM 10/23/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>hmmm strange havent had any problem with office and jfw...at least jfw 4.5
>that is....
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bear in SFO" <BearSFO@PacBell.NET>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:26 PM
>Subject: Re: word processor wanted
>
>
> >
> > Word is accessible with JAWS, yes, but JAWS doesn't work all the time with
> > Word documents.
> > What I do:  when I get a Word document, I cut and paste it to a text
> > editor, read/edit it and then cut and paste it back to Word.  Work much
> > better than if I just do the reading/editing in Word.
> >
> > At 12:49 PM 10/21/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Hi, Anne.
> > >
> > >I might begin by saying I am well aware of Emacs' abilities. I use it for
> > >html and xml writing, and it is vary powerful for mark up languages, and
>for
> > >C/C++ programming. However, it lacks in one major airea. It has no
> > >compatibility with MS Word document's, and I will tell you that is a
>major
> > >disadvantage for certain groups such as college students.
> > >
> > >At our colleges such as Wright State when the English Profs say they
>want
> > >an asignment turned in Microsoft Word format they mean it. Turn it in in
> > >html or something else you will get an F on the asignment. The Offices of
> > >Disability services at the colleges will say that MS Word is accessible
>with
> > >Jaws, and you have no reason for using anything else but using Word, and
>the
> > >Prof will give you an F.
> > >So therefore for this reason, and other reasons we need access to Word
> > >Processors such as Star Office that has that compatibility. Weather we
>like,
> > >love, or hate MS Word we can't bury our head in the sand and say I refuse
>to
> > >turn in a resume, class document, whatever in Word format because we
>simply
> > >dislike the format. Unless you are willing to take the college or company
>to
> > >court and challenge Word format they will turn you down for job
>posissions,
> > >give you an F on the asignment, whatever. So that is where I am coming
>from.
> > >
> > >Suppose you wanted a job at our local clenic which uses Microsoft Office.
> > >Now, can you imagine telling them I refuse to use Word and Excel, and I
>will
> > >use emacs and dismal. They'll tell you, "sorry, you don't have the
> > >qualifications we are looking for, and pass you over for the posission."
> > >Point being emacs is vary good for personal use, but in cases of college
>and
> > >some businesses it is vary inpractical. That's just how things are, and I
>am
> > >done giving my speech. I'll step down from the soap box.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: word processor wanted

[Jude DaShiell]

emacs needs no compatibility with msword documents.  What's needed is the
antiword software to translate that bloatware down to ascii.  It may also
be possible to write out using rtf too have to research that.  Going back,
I'm pretty sure emacs can do rtf, so msword shouldn't have any problems.



On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Hi, Anne.
>
> I might begin by saying I am well aware of Emacs' abilities. I use it for
> html and xml writing, and it is vary powerful for mark up languages, and for
> C/C++ programming. However, it lacks in one major airea. It has no
> compatibility with MS Word document's, and I will tell you that is a major
> disadvantage for certain groups such as college students.
>
> At our colleges such as Wright State when the English Profs say they  want
> an asignment turned in Microsoft Word format they mean it. Turn it in in
> html or something else you will get an F on the asignment. The Offices of
> Disability services at the colleges will say that MS Word is accessible with
> Jaws, and you have no reason for using anything else but using Word, and the
> Prof will give you an F.
> So therefore for this reason, and other reasons we need access to Word
> Processors such as Star Office that has that compatibility. Weather we like,
> love, or hate MS Word we can't bury our head in the sand and say I refuse to
> turn in a resume, class document, whatever in Word format because we simply
> dislike the format. Unless you are willing to take the college or company to
> court and challenge Word format they will turn you down for job posissions,
> give you an F on the asignment, whatever. So that is where I am coming from.
>
> Suppose you wanted a job at our local clenic which uses Microsoft Office.
> Now, can you imagine telling them I refuse to use Word and Excel, and I will
> use emacs and dismal. They'll tell you, "sorry, you don't have the
> qualifications we are looking for, and pass you over for the posission."
> Point being emacs is vary good for personal use, but in cases of college and
> some businesses it is vary inpractical. That's just how things are, and I am
> done giving my speech. I'll step down from the soap box.
>
>
>
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Re: word processor wanted

[Sunfire]

hmmm strange havent had any problem with office and jfw...at least jfw 4.5
that is....


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bear in SFO" <BearSFO@PacBell.NET>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: word processor wanted


>
> Word is accessible with JAWS, yes, but JAWS doesn't work all the time with
> Word documents.
> What I do:  when I get a Word document, I cut and paste it to a text
> editor, read/edit it and then cut and paste it back to Word.  Work much
> better than if I just do the reading/editing in Word.
>
> At 12:49 PM 10/21/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi, Anne.
> >
> >I might begin by saying I am well aware of Emacs' abilities. I use it for
> >html and xml writing, and it is vary powerful for mark up languages, and
for
> >C/C++ programming. However, it lacks in one major airea. It has no
> >compatibility with MS Word document's, and I will tell you that is a
major
> >disadvantage for certain groups such as college students.
> >
> >At our colleges such as Wright State when the English Profs say they
want
> >an asignment turned in Microsoft Word format they mean it. Turn it in in
> >html or something else you will get an F on the asignment. The Offices of
> >Disability services at the colleges will say that MS Word is accessible
with
> >Jaws, and you have no reason for using anything else but using Word, and
the
> >Prof will give you an F.
> >So therefore for this reason, and other reasons we need access to Word
> >Processors such as Star Office that has that compatibility. Weather we
like,
> >love, or hate MS Word we can't bury our head in the sand and say I refuse
to
> >turn in a resume, class document, whatever in Word format because we
simply
> >dislike the format. Unless you are willing to take the college or company
to
> >court and challenge Word format they will turn you down for job
posissions,
> >give you an F on the asignment, whatever. So that is where I am coming
from.
> >
> >Suppose you wanted a job at our local clenic which uses Microsoft Office.
> >Now, can you imagine telling them I refuse to use Word and Excel, and I
will
> >use emacs and dismal. They'll tell you, "sorry, you don't have the
> >qualifications we are looking for, and pass you over for the posission."
> >Point being emacs is vary good for personal use, but in cases of college
and
> >some businesses it is vary inpractical. That's just how things are, and I
am
> >done giving my speech. I'll step down from the soap box.
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>
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Re: word processor wanted

[Bear in SFO]

Word is accessible with JAWS, yes, but JAWS doesn't work all the time with 
Word documents.
What I do:  when I get a Word document, I cut and paste it to a text 
editor, read/edit it and then cut and paste it back to Word.  Work much 
better than if I just do the reading/editing in Word.

At 12:49 PM 10/21/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi, Anne.
>
>I might begin by saying I am well aware of Emacs' abilities. I use it for
>html and xml writing, and it is vary powerful for mark up languages, and for
>C/C++ programming. However, it lacks in one major airea. It has no
>compatibility with MS Word document's, and I will tell you that is a major
>disadvantage for certain groups such as college students.
>
>At our colleges such as Wright State when the English Profs say they  want
>an asignment turned in Microsoft Word format they mean it. Turn it in in
>html or something else you will get an F on the asignment. The Offices of
>Disability services at the colleges will say that MS Word is accessible with
>Jaws, and you have no reason for using anything else but using Word, and the
>Prof will give you an F.
>So therefore for this reason, and other reasons we need access to Word
>Processors such as Star Office that has that compatibility. Weather we like,
>love, or hate MS Word we can't bury our head in the sand and say I refuse to
>turn in a resume, class document, whatever in Word format because we simply
>dislike the format. Unless you are willing to take the college or company to
>court and challenge Word format they will turn you down for job posissions,
>give you an F on the asignment, whatever. So that is where I am coming from.
>
>Suppose you wanted a job at our local clenic which uses Microsoft Office.
>Now, can you imagine telling them I refuse to use Word and Excel, and I will
>use emacs and dismal. They'll tell you, "sorry, you don't have the
>qualifications we are looking for, and pass you over for the posission."
>Point being emacs is vary good for personal use, but in cases of college and
>some businesses it is vary inpractical. That's just how things are, and I am
>done giving my speech. I'll step down from the soap box.
>
>
>
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Re: word processor wanted

[Patrick Turnage]

What should and what is are normally quite different. and in this case they
are the people paying you or your work, it is their right to tell you how
they expect every aspect of your job to be completed. Rather that be a job
for money or some assignment for a grade. My teacher demands that her work
be completed in times new roman font with a size of 14 and a color of
black, double spaced, and a 1 inch margin, should I just take the steps
needed to ensure she gets the work in the formatting she demands or just
refuse and waste my time and money? Often we find people who are not going
to except our ways of life, we use emacs or pico for composing documents,
but if we need to use a specific function of word then having that
knowledge can only benefit you. You can never know enough..
No amount of knowledge is enough knowledge..
just my two cents.



At 03:14 PM 10/21/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Thomas. Those are good points, however it can't help the fact that
>people are just **fucking ignorant!** They don't realize the practicality
>of other formats People are so used to their shitty m$ word, they can't
>get used to new formats? Well that's there problem! I think that people
>should learn about new formats, and not be so ignorant. Especially the
>employers who want their stupid exel? Well go out and learn about other
>alternatives why don't you! Learn from the employees! Ok I suppose that's
>enough ranting for now.
>
>On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:
>
>> Hi, Anne.
>>
>> I might begin by saying I am well aware of Emacs' abilities. I use it for
>> html and xml writing, and it is vary powerful for mark up languages, and
for
>> C/C++ programming. However, it lacks in one major airea. It has no
>> compatibility with MS Word document's, and I will tell you that is a major
>> disadvantage for certain groups such as college students.
>>
>> At our colleges such as Wright State when the English Profs say they  want
>> an asignment turned in Microsoft Word format they mean it. Turn it in in
>> html or something else you will get an F on the asignment. The Offices of
>> Disability services at the colleges will say that MS Word is accessible
with
>> Jaws, and you have no reason for using anything else but using Word, and
the
>> Prof will give you an F.
>> So therefore for this reason, and other reasons we need access to Word
>> Processors such as Star Office that has that compatibility. Weather we
like,
>> love, or hate MS Word we can't bury our head in the sand and say I
refuse to
>> turn in a resume, class document, whatever in Word format because we simply
>> dislike the format. Unless you are willing to take the college or
company to
>> court and challenge Word format they will turn you down for job posissions,
>> give you an F on the asignment, whatever. So that is where I am coming
from.
>>
>> Suppose you wanted a job at our local clenic which uses Microsoft Office.
>> Now, can you imagine telling them I refuse to use Word and Excel, and I
will
>> use emacs and dismal. They'll tell you, "sorry, you don't have the
>> qualifications we are looking for, and pass you over for the posission."
>> Point being emacs is vary good for personal use, but in cases of college
and
>> some businesses it is vary inpractical. That's just how things are, and
I am
>> done giving my speech. I'll step down from the soap box.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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>
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Re: word processor wanted

[Igor Gueths]

Hi Thomas. Those are good points, however it can't help the fact that
people are just **fucking ignorant!** They don't realize the practicality
of other formats People are so used to their shitty m$ word, they can't
get used to new formats? Well that's there problem! I think that people
should learn about new formats, and not be so ignorant. Especially the
employers who want their stupid exel? Well go out and learn about other
alternatives why don't you! Learn from the employees! Ok I suppose that's
enough ranting for now.

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Thomas Ward wrote:

> Hi, Anne.
>
> I might begin by saying I am well aware of Emacs' abilities. I use it for
> html and xml writing, and it is vary powerful for mark up languages, and for
> C/C++ programming. However, it lacks in one major airea. It has no
> compatibility with MS Word document's, and I will tell you that is a major
> disadvantage for certain groups such as college students.
>
> At our colleges such as Wright State when the English Profs say they  want
> an asignment turned in Microsoft Word format they mean it. Turn it in in
> html or something else you will get an F on the asignment. The Offices of
> Disability services at the colleges will say that MS Word is accessible with
> Jaws, and you have no reason for using anything else but using Word, and the
> Prof will give you an F.
> So therefore for this reason, and other reasons we need access to Word
> Processors such as Star Office that has that compatibility. Weather we like,
> love, or hate MS Word we can't bury our head in the sand and say I refuse to
> turn in a resume, class document, whatever in Word format because we simply
> dislike the format. Unless you are willing to take the college or company to
> court and challenge Word format they will turn you down for job posissions,
> give you an F on the asignment, whatever. So that is where I am coming from.
>
> Suppose you wanted a job at our local clenic which uses Microsoft Office.
> Now, can you imagine telling them I refuse to use Word and Excel, and I will
> use emacs and dismal. They'll tell you, "sorry, you don't have the
> qualifications we are looking for, and pass you over for the posission."
> Point being emacs is vary good for personal use, but in cases of college and
> some businesses it is vary inpractical. That's just how things are, and I am
> done giving my speech. I'll step down from the soap box.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: word processor wanted

[Thomas Ward]

Hi, Anne.

I might begin by saying I am well aware of Emacs' abilities. I use it for
html and xml writing, and it is vary powerful for mark up languages, and for
C/C++ programming. However, it lacks in one major airea. It has no
compatibility with MS Word document's, and I will tell you that is a major
disadvantage for certain groups such as college students.

At our colleges such as Wright State when the English Profs say they  want
an asignment turned in Microsoft Word format they mean it. Turn it in in
html or something else you will get an F on the asignment. The Offices of
Disability services at the colleges will say that MS Word is accessible with
Jaws, and you have no reason for using anything else but using Word, and the
Prof will give you an F.
So therefore for this reason, and other reasons we need access to Word
Processors such as Star Office that has that compatibility. Weather we like,
love, or hate MS Word we can't bury our head in the sand and say I refuse to
turn in a resume, class document, whatever in Word format because we simply
dislike the format. Unless you are willing to take the college or company to
court and challenge Word format they will turn you down for job posissions,
give you an F on the asignment, whatever. So that is where I am coming from.

Suppose you wanted a job at our local clenic which uses Microsoft Office.
Now, can you imagine telling them I refuse to use Word and Excel, and I will
use emacs and dismal. They'll tell you, "sorry, you don't have the
qualifications we are looking for, and pass you over for the posission."
Point being emacs is vary good for personal use, but in cases of college and
some businesses it is vary inpractical. That's just how things are, and I am
done giving my speech. I'll step down from the soap box.

Re: word processor wanted

[Ann Parsons]

Hi all,

Although you are right, Thomas, I think that you do Emacs a
disservice.  You call it a text editor.  That is truly what it is, but
like the definitions of most words, it is misleading. 

>From your description, one might think that all the attributes of word
processing are missing like changing fonts, underlining, and placement
of text.  these are all available in Emacs.  Emacs, *is* a text
editor, but because of that it is fertile ground for any number of
mark-up codes, mark-up codes that will, unlike a WYSIWYG editor, give
you total and complete control over the text you are editing.  Emacs,
unlike MSWord, makes the user tell it what to do, exactly what to do.
If the mark-up tags aren't in the text, your commands aren't there,
and aren't being acted upon.  This is a truly excellent word
processing technique for a blind person because if you use one of the
markup languages, TROF or Grof Or LaTeX, or real HTML (not the trash
that Billy-Boy thinks is HTML), you can actually tell by looking at
the rough draft, just where those tags are, and just how much text
will be underlined or bolded or whatever.    No, if you simply dismiss
Emacs as a "text editor", that's like under estimating a homosapian. 

Ann P.
  
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Re: word processor wanted

[Thomas Ward]

Hi.

Ok, first off emacs is a text editor although it has a vary vary simple word
processing feature called enriched.
If you are looking for an equal with MS Word or some major word processor
like that he will have to wait for Gnopernicus to come out at which point we
can use Star Writer, OpenWord, and Abby Word.