should I wait for red hat 8.0?

should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Jared]

Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with speakup.
Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now anf figure
that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Janina Sajka]

I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images. If you want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.

Jared writes:
> From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> 
> Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with speakup.
> Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now anf figure
> that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Darrell Shandrow]

Hi Janina,

So, is RedHat 8.0 going to mean the end of the need to use the specially
created RedHat Speakup distribution?

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images. If you
want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
>
> Jared writes:
> > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> >
> > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with speakup.
> > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now anf
figure
> > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Adam Myrow]

The way I understand it is that Redhat 8.0 will include Speakup.  Now, the
only distributions to convince to include Speakup are Debian and possibly
Mandrake, although I've heard that Mandrake is fairly graphical.

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Alex Snow]

Is that in kilobits or kilobytes?
Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm
sick of Winblows!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> well...i know i have cable and depending on how many iso images i download
> my transfer time could be anywhere from 4 hours at the bare minimum for
disc
> 1-3 and up to a max of 8 or if slow connection for some reason even 9
> hours... and my average transfer rate for those is normally about
> 200k/sec...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
>
>
> > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images. If
you
> want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> >
> > Jared writes:
> > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > >
> > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with
speakup.
> > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now anf
> figure
> > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Sunfire]

well...i know i have cable and depending on how many iso images i download
my transfer time could be anywhere from 4 hours at the bare minimum for disc
1-3 and up to a max of 8 or if slow connection for some reason even 9
hours... and my average transfer rate for those is normally about
200k/sec...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images. If you
want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
>
> Jared writes:
> > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> >
> > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with speakup.
> > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now anf
figure
> > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Sunfire]

they should somehow try to invent a way to use the shell and stuff without
having to use a speech driver that requires a external speech card... like
use something like jaws for windows....that would be pretty cool....


----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> Hi Janina,
>
> So, is RedHat 8.0 going to mean the end of the need to use the specially
> created RedHat Speakup distribution?
>
> Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM
> Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
>
>
> > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images. If
you
> want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> >
> > Jared writes:
> > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > >
> > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with
speakup.
> > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now anf
> figure
> > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Alex Snow]

It's being worked on.  Emacspeak supports it and the basic speach support in
brltty supports festival and viavoice.
Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm
sick of Winblows!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> they should somehow try to invent a way to use the shell and stuff without
> having to use a speech driver that requires a external speech card... like
> use something like jaws for windows....that would be pretty cool....
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:27 PM
> Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
>
>
> > Hi Janina,
> >
> > So, is RedHat 8.0 going to mean the end of the need to use the specially
> > created RedHat Speakup distribution?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> >
> >
> > > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images. If
> you
> > want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> > >
> > > Jared writes:
> > > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > > >
> > > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with
> speakup.
> > > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now anf
> > figure
> > > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Janina Sajka]

Dear Friends:

It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already taking orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want to pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download from mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing the HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.

Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance working over the past few years with various staffers
from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README about accessibility support in Red Hat products which
singles him out. Way to go, Bill!

There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the community on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
question:

Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while? How long? And for what purpose?

The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile longer.

What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Alex Snow]

Happens all the time! Especially with winblows mehellium.
Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm
sick of Winblows!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> heh love those errors dont we...
> apache, apache has caused an error in opraware32.dll. apache will now
> close....
> try getting into an infinate loop of those when you shutdown
winblows...heh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
>
>
> > It's being worked on.  Emacspeak supports it and the basic speach
support
> in
> > brltty supports festival and viavoice.
> > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll.
I'm
> > sick of Winblows!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> >
> >
> > > they should somehow try to invent a way to use the shell and stuff
> without
> > > having to use a speech driver that requires a external speech card...
> like
> > > use something like jaws for windows....that would be pretty cool....
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:27 PM
> > > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Janina,
> > > >
> > > > So, is RedHat 8.0 going to mean the end of the need to use the
> specially
> > > > created RedHat Speakup distribution?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images.
> If
> > > you
> > > > want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > > > > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jared writes:
> > > > > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with
> > > speakup.
> > > > > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now
> anf
> > > > figure
> > > > > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > > >
> > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Alex Snow]

If I can get my synth to work windows is going in the recycling bin and
never coming out except for ocr.
Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm
sick of Winblows!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> that is hmm kilobytes... hehe actually if i could get emacspeak to work
the
> way its supposed to and get some mail prog to work right to get my mail
off
> the mail servers i probably would junk windows myself... there is a few
> things about winblows that i like but i guess giving them up for a os that
> actually does what its supposed to is worth it...
> jfw dialog, jfw has caused an error in jhook.dll. jfw will now close. if
you
> continue to experience problems try restarting your computer. close button
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:44 PM
> Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
>
>
> > Is that in kilobits or kilobytes?
> > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll.
I'm
> > sick of Winblows!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> >
> >
> > > well...i know i have cable and depending on how many iso images i
> download
> > > my transfer time could be anywhere from 4 hours at the bare minimum
for
> > disc
> > > 1-3 and up to a max of 8 or if slow connection for some reason even 9
> > > hours... and my average transfer rate for those is normally about
> > > 200k/sec...
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:20 AM
> > > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images.
If
> > you
> > > want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > > > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> > > >
> > > > Jared writes:
> > > > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with
> > speakup.
> > > > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now
anf
> > > figure
> > > > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Gregory Nowak]

I am a slackware user myself, but if the new official version includes speakup, then what would be the point of keeping old versions around? 
There maybe users who would download the old version for some reason as it happens sometimes, and that would create potential confusion.

Is there something in the older version that is not in the new version, but that would still be useful in some way?

Those are just my thoughts, whatever they are worth.
Congrads to Bill and to the speakup community in general. Let us hope that one day speakup will be as common in all gnu/linux distributions as xwindows is, and as other basic tools/packages are.

Greg


On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 02:13:58PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Dear Friends:
> 
> It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
> will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
> included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already taking orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
> directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want to pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
> standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download from mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
> writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing the HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.
> 
> Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance working over the past few years with various staffers
> from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
> officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README about accessibility support in Red Hat products which
> singles him out. Way to go, Bill!
> 
> There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the community on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
> question:
> 
> Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
> to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while? How long? And for what purpose?
> 
> The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
> would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile longer.
> 
> What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Sunfire]

that is hmm kilobytes... hehe actually if i could get emacspeak to work the
way its supposed to and get some mail prog to work right to get my mail off
the mail servers i probably would junk windows myself... there is a few
things about winblows that i like but i guess giving them up for a os that
actually does what its supposed to is worth it...
jfw dialog, jfw has caused an error in jhook.dll. jfw will now close. if you
continue to experience problems try restarting your computer. close button

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> Is that in kilobits or kilobytes?
> Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm
> sick of Winblows!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:56 PM
> Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
>
>
> > well...i know i have cable and depending on how many iso images i
download
> > my transfer time could be anywhere from 4 hours at the bare minimum for
> disc
> > 1-3 and up to a max of 8 or if slow connection for some reason even 9
> > hours... and my average transfer rate for those is normally about
> > 200k/sec...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> >
> >
> > > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images. If
> you
> > want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> > >
> > > Jared writes:
> > > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > > >
> > > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with
> speakup.
> > > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now anf
> > figure
> > > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Sunfire]

heh love those errors dont we...
apache, apache has caused an error in opraware32.dll. apache will now
close....
try getting into an infinate loop of those when you shutdown winblows...heh

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> It's being worked on.  Emacspeak supports it and the basic speach support
in
> brltty supports festival and viavoice.
> Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm
> sick of Winblows!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
>
>
> > they should somehow try to invent a way to use the shell and stuff
without
> > having to use a speech driver that requires a external speech card...
like
> > use something like jaws for windows....that would be pretty cool....
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> >
> >
> > > Hi Janina,
> > >
> > > So, is RedHat 8.0 going to mean the end of the need to use the
specially
> > > created RedHat Speakup distribution?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM
> > > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images.
If
> > you
> > > want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > > > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> > > >
> > > > Jared writes:
> > > > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with
> > speakup.
> > > > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now
anf
> > > figure
> > > > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Sunfire]

gratz to redhat you and bill!!
sorry if i get over excited here..i remember when linux was never accessible
to blind and when you had to even compile the kernel on install just to
config it...
anyways... you might have to explain something to me...(sorry)
what does it mean when redhat is no longer speakup modified? does this mean
that speakup is hardcore built in to the default kernel already?? just
wondering since i am very new with speakup emacspeak and aceessibility to
linux...i am very interested in it..let me know because any thing i can get
to help me run my server the better...unfortunatly i only have a sound card
so emacspeak will have to be used but... my opinion about redhat 7.3 is keep
it around for people who still wish to use it or need files for some reason
or another... as far as how long to keep it i dont know right now.. i guess
for now about 2 or 3 months after 8.0 release...

tnx for all the work you all have done!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified


> Dear Friends:
>
> It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring
articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
> will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to
inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
> included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already taking
orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
> directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want to
pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
> standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download from
mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
> writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing the
HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.
>
> Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance working
over the past few years with various staffers
> from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup
Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
> officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README about
accessibility support in Red Hat products which
> singles him out. Way to go, Bill!
>
> There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the community
on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
> question:
>
> Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup
Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
> to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while? How
long? And for what purpose?
>
> The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy
about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
> would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile longer.
>
> What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Sunfire]

hehe no kidding... i boot in safe mode more than regular mode...hehe.....
stack fault overloaded modules.......

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> Happens all the time! Especially with winblows mehellium.
> Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm
> sick of Winblows!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
>
>
> > heh love those errors dont we...
> > apache, apache has caused an error in opraware32.dll. apache will now
> > close....
> > try getting into an infinate loop of those when you shutdown
> winblows...heh
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> >
> >
> > > It's being worked on.  Emacspeak supports it and the basic speach
> support
> > in
> > > brltty supports festival and viavoice.
> > > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll.
> I'm
> > > sick of Winblows!
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> > >
> > >
> > > > they should somehow try to invent a way to use the shell and stuff
> > without
> > > > having to use a speech driver that requires a external speech
card...
> > like
> > > > use something like jaws for windows....that would be pretty cool....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:27 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Janina,
> > > > >
> > > > > So, is RedHat 8.0 going to mean the end of the need to use the
> > specially
> > > > > created RedHat Speakup distribution?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO
images.
> > If
> > > > you
> > > > > want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > > > > > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jared writes:
> > > > > > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed
with
> > > > speakup.
> > > > > > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install
now
> > anf
> > > > > figure
> > > > > > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Sunfire]

multiple file delete, are you sure you want to send winblows and all of its
components to the recycle bin? yes button! yes button pressed.

deleting... cancel button.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> If I can get my synth to work windows is going in the recycling bin and
> never coming out except for ocr.
> Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll. I'm
> sick of Winblows!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:28 PM
> Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
>
>
> > that is hmm kilobytes... hehe actually if i could get emacspeak to work
> the
> > way its supposed to and get some mail prog to work right to get my mail
> off
> > the mail servers i probably would junk windows myself... there is a few
> > things about winblows that i like but i guess giving them up for a os
that
> > actually does what its supposed to is worth it...
> > jfw dialog, jfw has caused an error in jhook.dll. jfw will now close. if
> you
> > continue to experience problems try restarting your computer. close
button
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alex Snow" <alex_snow@gmx.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> >
> >
> > > Is that in kilobits or kilobytes?
> > > Explorer has caused a general protection fault in module kernel32.dll.
> I'm
> > > sick of Winblows!
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 1:56 PM
> > > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> > >
> > >
> > > > well...i know i have cable and depending on how many iso images i
> > download
> > > > my transfer time could be anywhere from 4 hours at the bare minimum
> for
> > > disc
> > > > 1-3 and up to a max of 8 or if slow connection for some reason even
9
> > > > hours... and my average transfer rate for those is normally about
> > > > 200k/sec...
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:20 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images.
> If
> > > you
> > > > want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > > > > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jared writes:
> > > > > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with
> > > speakup.
> > > > > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now
> anf
> > > > figure
> > > > > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > > >
> > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Janina Sajka]

The Speakup Modified will be no more.. But, the HOWTO will be updated to revlect the new development.

Darrell Shandrow writes:
> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
> 
> Hi Janina,
> 
> So, is RedHat 8.0 going to mean the end of the need to use the specially
> created RedHat Speakup distribution?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM
> Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> 
> 
> > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images. If you
> want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> >
> > Jared writes:
> > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > >
> > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with speakup.
> > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now anf
> figure
> > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Janina Sajka]

Yes, rusty. Speakup is part of absolutely every boxed set of Red Hat 8.0, and part of every iso download from any Red
Hat mirror beginning Monday.


Sunfire writes:
> From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
> 
> gratz to redhat you and bill!!
> sorry if i get over excited here..i remember when linux was never accessible
> to blind and when you had to even compile the kernel on install just to
> config it...
> anyways... you might have to explain something to me...(sorry)
> what does it mean when redhat is no longer speakup modified? does this mean
> that speakup is hardcore built in to the default kernel already?? just
> wondering since i am very new with speakup emacspeak and aceessibility to
> linux...i am very interested in it..let me know because any thing i can get
> to help me run my server the better...unfortunatly i only have a sound card
> so emacspeak will have to be used but... my opinion about redhat 7.3 is keep
> it around for people who still wish to use it or need files for some reason
> or another... as far as how long to keep it i dont know right now.. i guess
> for now about 2 or 3 months after 8.0 release...
> 
> tnx for all the work you all have done!!!
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified
> 
> 
> > Dear Friends:
> >
> > It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring
> articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
> > will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to
> inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
> > included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already taking
> orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
> > directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want to
> pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
> > standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download from
> mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
> > writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing the
> HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.
> >
> > Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance working
> over the past few years with various staffers
> > from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup
> Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
> > officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README about
> accessibility support in Red Hat products which
> > singles him out. Way to go, Bill!
> >
> > There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the community
> on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
> > question:
> >
> > Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup
> Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
> > to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while? How
> long? And for what purpose?
> >
> > The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy
> about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
> > would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile longer.
> >
> > What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Janina Sajka]

You can get a Doubletalk internal ISA card, or a Doubletalk LT or Litetalk serial port speech synth for around $300 U.S.

Someday, Speakup will work with software speech, but meanwhile, try a Doubletalk.

Sunfire writes:
> From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
> 
> any plans that anybody knows of to try and make speakup work with normal
> sound cards?? it is very expensive to buy speech cards or synths around here
> the cheapest i can even find is like $700 and thats not easy cash to come
> by... anyways....

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Sunfire]

any plans that anybody knows of to try and make speakup work with normal
sound cards?? it is very expensive to buy speech cards or synths around here
the cheapest i can even find is like $700 and thats not easy cash to come
by... anyways....

just wondering...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified


> Yes, rusty. Speakup is part of absolutely every boxed set of Red Hat 8.0,
and part of every iso download from any Red
> Hat mirror beginning Monday.
>
>
> Sunfire writes:
> > From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
> >
> > gratz to redhat you and bill!!
> > sorry if i get over excited here..i remember when linux was never
accessible
> > to blind and when you had to even compile the kernel on install just to
> > config it...
> > anyways... you might have to explain something to me...(sorry)
> > what does it mean when redhat is no longer speakup modified? does this
mean
> > that speakup is hardcore built in to the default kernel already?? just
> > wondering since i am very new with speakup emacspeak and aceessibility
to
> > linux...i am very interested in it..let me know because any thing i can
get
> > to help me run my server the better...unfortunatly i only have a sound
card
> > so emacspeak will have to be used but... my opinion about redhat 7.3 is
keep
> > it around for people who still wish to use it or need files for some
reason
> > or another... as far as how long to keep it i dont know right now.. i
guess
> > for now about 2 or 3 months after 8.0 release...
> >
> > tnx for all the work you all have done!!!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified
> >
> >
> > > Dear Friends:
> > >
> > > It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring
> > articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
> > > will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to
> > inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
> > > included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already
taking
> > orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
> > > directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want
to
> > pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
> > > standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download
from
> > mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
> > > writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing
the
> > HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.
> > >
> > > Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance
working
> > over the past few years with various staffers
> > > from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup
> > Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
> > > officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README
about
> > accessibility support in Red Hat products which
> > > singles him out. Way to go, Bill!
> > >
> > > There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the
community
> > on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
> > > question:
> > >
> > > Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup
> > Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
> > > to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while?
How
> > long? And for what purpose?
> > >
> > > The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy
> > about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
> > > would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile
longer.
> > >
> > > What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Nick Pinney | Lutris]

> they should somehow try to invent a way to use the shell and stuff
> without having to use a speech driver that requires a external speech
> card... like use something like jaws for windows....that would be pretty
> cool....

  Funny you should say that.  Myself and 2 other students at WPI are working 
on that for our Junior project.  Have a peek at our webpage, and have my 
apologies for the lack of spell checking:

http://www.wpi.edu/~blinux

  If we manage to keep on schedule, we'll have a fully functioning version 
by New Years, and will be doing a write-up and a lot of user testing early 
next year.

  The current goal, if we can manage, is to get Speakup to use a userland 
synth (maybe Festival, or if anyone has a suggestion?) and use a modified 
version of TuxTalk for a kernel module when a userland program isn't 
available.  Failing all else, we'll make a userland interface for Speakup 
and modify a version of probably RedHat to make it fairly easy to install 
with that.


-- 
Nick Pinney             otter.dyndns.org                       lutris@
Lutris                    ICQ #4922123                ugcs.caltech.edu

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Darrell Shandrow]

Hi Janina,

Oh, uh, great!  Now, the interesting thing will be to see if RH will keep up
with any updates in Speakup as they are released, thus updating the Kernel
they provide?

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> The Speakup Modified will be no more.. But, the HOWTO will be updated to
revlect the new development.
>
> Darrell Shandrow writes:
> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
> >
> > Hi Janina,
> >
> > So, is RedHat 8.0 going to mean the end of the need to use the specially
> > created RedHat Speakup distribution?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> >
> >
> > > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images. If
you
> > want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> > >
> > > Jared writes:
> > > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > > >
> > > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with
speakup.
> > > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now anf
> > figure
> > > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Darrell Shandrow]

Hi Janina!

I recommend keeping the old files around at least until a number of us users
have verified that everything works as it should with RedHat 8.0's Speakup
implementation and, of course, with the rest of the OS as well...

Thanks.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified


> Dear Friends:
>
> It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring
articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
> will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to
inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
> included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already taking
orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
> directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want to
pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
> standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download from
mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
> writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing the
HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.
>
> Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance working
over the past few years with various staffers
> from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup
Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
> officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README about
accessibility support in Red Hat products which
> singles him out. Way to go, Bill!
>
> There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the community
on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
> question:
>
> Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup
Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
> to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while? How
long? And for what purpose?
>
> The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy
about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
> would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile longer.
>
> What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Darragh]

Very interesting question.  Also I presume updates will still be available
to download when written from the speakup web site?

I'm very curious, usually when software is updated the version number jumps
in small steps, eg, 7.0, 7.1, 7,2 and 7.3 the jump to 8.0 logicly suggests
that a major update has been made to either the kurnel or the applications.
Is this thinking way off?  If I'm right what has been changed?  What is the
point in upgrading?

Thanks
Darragh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> Hi Janina,
>
> Oh, uh, great!  Now, the interesting thing will be to see if RH will keep
up
> with any updates in Speakup as they are released, thus updating the Kernel
> they provide?
>
> Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
>
>
> > The Speakup Modified will be no more.. But, the HOWTO will be updated to
> revlect the new development.
> >
> > Darrell Shandrow writes:
> > > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
> > >
> > > Hi Janina,
> > >
> > > So, is RedHat 8.0 going to mean the end of the need to use the
specially
> > > created RedHat Speakup distribution?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM
> > > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images.
If
> you
> > > want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > > > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> > > >
> > > > Jared writes:
> > > > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with
> speakup.
> > > > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now
anf
> > > figure
> > > > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Darragh]

Hmmmm, after thinking about this for a while.  I cant see any point in
keeping the older versions.  As far as I can tell, Red hat as well as other
distrobutions ahve very compadant programmers and testers.  Nine times out
of ten I would imagine that bugs are found and fixed before the software is
released.  If not, the red hat ftp sites have older distrobutions which can
be downloaded in their entirity or by separate files.  The same is true for
speakup.  Older versions are available for download.  I could be way off
here but thats my understanding of the question.

Darragh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified


> Hi Janina!
>
> I recommend keeping the old files around at least until a number of us
users
> have verified that everything works as it should with RedHat 8.0's Speakup
> implementation and, of course, with the rest of the OS as well...
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified
>
>
> > Dear Friends:
> >
> > It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring
> articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
> > will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to
> inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
> > included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already taking
> orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
> > directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want to
> pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
> > standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download from
> mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
> > writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing the
> HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.
> >
> > Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance working
> over the past few years with various staffers
> > from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup
> Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
> > officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README about
> accessibility support in Red Hat products which
> > singles him out. Way to go, Bill!
> >
> > There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the
community
> on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
> > question:
> >
> > Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup
> Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
> > to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while? How
> long? And for what purpose?
> >
> > The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy
> about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
> > would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile longer.
> >
> > What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Darrell Shandrow]

Hi,

Well, actually, either way, this may not be such a big deal, if the Speakup
folks are able to provide any updates in the form of Kernels in both the
binary and source RPMs.  Though I am a sys admin, and can hold my own when
it comes to implementing and troubleshooting this stuff, a programmer I am
most definitely not!  Otherwise, I'd certainly be right in their with those
who are doing all the hard work to make all this possible!

Thanks!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?


> Very interesting question.  Also I presume updates will still be available
> to download when written from the speakup web site?
>
> I'm very curious, usually when software is updated the version number
jumps
> in small steps, eg, 7.0, 7.1, 7,2 and 7.3 the jump to 8.0 logicly suggests
> that a major update has been made to either the kurnel or the
applications.
> Is this thinking way off?  If I'm right what has been changed?  What is
the
> point in upgrading?
>
> Thanks
> Darragh
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:40 PM
> Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
>
>
> > Hi Janina,
> >
> > Oh, uh, great!  Now, the interesting thing will be to see if RH will
keep
> up
> > with any updates in Speakup as they are released, thus updating the
Kernel
> > they provide?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> >
> >
> > > The Speakup Modified will be no more.. But, the HOWTO will be updated
to
> > revlect the new development.
> > >
> > > Darrell Shandrow writes:
> > > > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
> > > >
> > > > Hi Janina,
> > > >
> > > > So, is RedHat 8.0 going to mean the end of the need to use the
> specially
> > > > created RedHat Speakup distribution?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images.
> If
> > you
> > > > want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > > > > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jared writes:
> > > > > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with
> > speakup.
> > > > > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now
> anf
> > > > figure
> > > > > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > > >
> > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Darrell Shandrow]

Hi Janina,

There is, of course, that TrippleTalk synthesizer.  Has there been any
progress on creating the necessary driver for Speakup to work with that one?

Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@cantata.rednote.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified


> You can get a Doubletalk internal ISA card, or a Doubletalk LT or Litetalk
serial port speech synth for around $300 U.S.
>
> Someday, Speakup will work with software speech, but meanwhile, try a
Doubletalk.
>
> Sunfire writes:
> > From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
> >
> > any plans that anybody knows of to try and make speakup work with normal
> > sound cards?? it is very expensive to buy speech cards or synths around
here
> > the cheapest i can even find is like $700 and thats not easy cash to
come
> > by... anyways....
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?

[Janina Sajka]

As our HOWTO points out, Red Hat offers a very useful, and easily used updating utility called up2date. Any updated rpm
releases are retrieved and installed by up2date;, provided they are updates of applications already installed on your
system. Of course, the kernel is updated more often than Red Hat releases come out. And, Speakup seems to be updated a
bit less frequently than the kernel.

If it matters, you can certainly just grab the sources and recompile an interim kernel.

Darragh writes:
> From: "Darragh" <darraghoheiligh@eircom.net>
> 
> Very interesting question.  Also I presume updates will still be available
> to download when written from the speakup web site?
> 
> I'm very curious, usually when software is updated the version number jumps
> in small steps, eg, 7.0, 7.1, 7,2 and 7.3 the jump to 8.0 logicly suggests
> that a major update has been made to either the kurnel or the applications.
> Is this thinking way off?  If I'm right what has been changed?  What is the
> point in upgrading?
> 
> Thanks
> Darragh
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:40 PM
> Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> 
> 
> > Hi Janina,
> >
> > Oh, uh, great!  Now, the interesting thing will be to see if RH will keep
> up
> > with any updates in Speakup as they are released, thus updating the Kernel
> > they provide?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> >
> >
> > > The Speakup Modified will be no more.. But, the HOWTO will be updated to
> > revlect the new development.
> > >
> > > Darrell Shandrow writes:
> > > > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
> > > >
> > > > Hi Janina,
> > > >
> > > > So, is RedHat 8.0 going to mean the end of the need to use the
> specially
> > > > created RedHat Speakup distribution?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:20 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: should I wait for red hat 8.0?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I think you should wait if you're OK about downloading ISO images.
> If
> > you
> > > > want to get Red Hat 8.0 on CD ROM from Red Hat
> > > > > in a store or through the mail, that may take a few more weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jared writes:
> > > > > > From: "Jared" <jared-stofflett@twmi.rr.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello I currently have the immages for redhat 7.3 modifyed with
> > speakup.
> > > > > > Should I wait for redhat 8.0 to come out or should I install now
> anf
> > > > figure
> > > > > > that 8.0 won't be out for a while? Thanks for any help.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > > > Technology Research and Development
> > > > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > > >
> > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Janina Sajka]

I believe Kirk posted on this list a few days ago that he has had some level of success getting Speakup working with the
TripleTalk USB. I know I was glad to read that as I'm the one who brought him a unit to work with last January.

Anyone want to send kirk the Tripletalk PCI card to retro-engineer??


Darrell Shandrow writes:
> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
> 
> Hi Janina,
> 
> There is, of course, that TrippleTalk synthesizer.  Has there been any
> progress on creating the necessary driver for Speakup to work with that one?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@cantata.rednote.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:24 PM
> Subject: Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified
> 
> 
> > You can get a Doubletalk internal ISA card, or a Doubletalk LT or Litetalk
> serial port speech synth for around $300 U.S.
> >
> > Someday, Speakup will work with software speech, but meanwhile, try a
> Doubletalk.
> >
> > Sunfire writes:
> > > From: "Sunfire" <rusty_81@msn.com>
> > >
> > > any plans that anybody knows of to try and make speakup work with normal
> > > sound cards?? it is very expensive to buy speech cards or synths around
> here
> > > the cheapest i can even find is like $700 and thats not easy cash to
> come
> > > by... anyways....
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Janina Sajka]

Fair enough, Darrell, but you should know that a few of us have participated in the 8.0 beta which went by the names
Limbo and then Null. I'm running Null right now as I type this to you.

Darrell Shandrow writes:
> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@azboss.net>
> 
> Hi Janina!
> 
> I recommend keeping the old files around at least until a number of us users
> have verified that everything works as it should with RedHat 8.0's Speakup
> implementation and, of course, with the rest of the OS as well...
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@rednote.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified
> 
> 
> > Dear Friends:
> >
> > It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring
> articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
> > will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to
> inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
> > included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already taking
> orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
> > directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want to
> pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
> > standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download from
> mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
> > writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing the
> HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.
> >
> > Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance working
> over the past few years with various staffers
> > from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup
> Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
> > officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README about
> accessibility support in Red Hat products which
> > singles him out. Way to go, Bill!
> >
> > There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the community
> on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
> > question:
> >
> > Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup
> Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
> > to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while? How
> long? And for what purpose?
> >
> > The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy
> about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
> > would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile longer.
> >
> > What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Bear in SFO]

I am relatively new to Speakup so I am not sure how far back Speakup had 
been available as a modified version but I am for keeping those images for 
as long as possible.  I went and downloaded 7.2 just in case I need it for 
any reason, and wonders if any versions previous to 7.2 had a modified 
image, and if so if someone could let me know where I can find that.

For example, one of the server I have at work was originally configured to 
run RH 7.2, but there was this one application (I forgot what it was) needs 
to be ran on 7.1, so we went and re-done the whole environment.  Luckily I 
don't need to reconfigure my box to do that.

So that's my two pennies on the subject...

--David

At 02:13 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear Friends:
>
>It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring 
>articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
>will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to 
>inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
>included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already taking 
>orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
>directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want to 
>pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
>standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download from 
>mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
>writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing the 
>HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.
>
>Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance working 
>over the past few years with various staffers
>from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup 
>Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
>officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README about 
>accessibility support in Red Hat products which
>singles him out. Way to go, Bill!
>
>There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the community 
>on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
>question:
>
>Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup 
>Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
>to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while? How 
>long? And for what purpose?
>
>The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy 
>about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
>would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile longer.
>
>What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Charles Crawford]

Congratulations Bill and Janina!  Don't know enough about the modified 
files, but am very happy about Redhat 8.0!

-- Charlie.
At 02:13 PM 9/28/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear Friends:
>
>It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring 
>articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
>will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to 
>inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
>included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already taking 
>orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
>directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want to 
>pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
>standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download from 
>mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
>writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing the 
>HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.
>
>Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance working 
>over the past few years with various staffers
>from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup 
>Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
>officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README about 
>accessibility support in Red Hat products which
>singles him out. Way to go, Bill!
>
>There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the community 
>on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
>question:
>
>Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup 
>Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
>to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while? How 
>long? And for what purpose?
>
>The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy 
>about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
>would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile longer.
>
>What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123]

For the life of me, I can't begin to imagine what application would only 
run on rh7.1.  I'd love to hear more, if you can find out more.  There was 
a 7.1 version, but i don't think it's up anywhere any more.  Unless 
someone can give me a very good reason to keep 7.2 around on the 
Speakup site, the directory will be history by the end of Monday.
-- 
          Bill in Denver
On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Bear in SFO wrote:

> 
> I am relatively new to Speakup so I am not sure how far back Speakup had 
> been available as a modified version but I am for keeping those images for 
> as long as possible.  I went and downloaded 7.2 just in case I need it for 
> any reason, and wonders if any versions previous to 7.2 had a modified 
> image, and if so if someone could let me know where I can find that.
> 
> For example, one of the server I have at work was originally configured to 
> run RH 7.2, but there was this one application (I forgot what it was) needs 
> to be ran on 7.1, so we went and re-done the whole environment.  Luckily I 
> don't need to reconfigure my box to do that.
> 
> So that's my two pennies on the subject...
> 
> --David
> 
> At 02:13 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >Dear Friends:
> >
> >It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring 
> >articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
> >will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to 
> >inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
> >included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already taking 
> >orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
> >directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want to 
> >pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
> >standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download from 
> >mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
> >writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing the 
> >HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.
> >
> >Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance working 
> >over the past few years with various staffers
> >from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup 
> >Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
> >officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README about 
> >accessibility support in Red Hat products which
> >singles him out. Way to go, Bill!
> >
> >There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the community 
> >on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
> >question:
> >
> >Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup 
> >Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
> >to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while? How 
> >long? And for what purpose?
> >
> >The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy 
> >about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
> >would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile longer.
> >
> >What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Bear in SFO]

I think it was Introscope, WebSphere, WebLogic or something - let me ask 
someone who knows more about that on Monday...

At 05:04 PM 9/28/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>For the life of me, I can't begin to imagine what application would only
>run on rh7.1.  I'd love to hear more, if you can find out more.  There was
>a 7.1 version, but i don't think it's up anywhere any more.  Unless
>someone can give me a very good reason to keep 7.2 around on the
>Speakup site, the directory will be history by the end of Monday.
>--
>           Bill in Denver
>On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Bear in SFO wrote:
>
> >
> > I am relatively new to Speakup so I am not sure how far back Speakup had
> > been available as a modified version but I am for keeping those images for
> > as long as possible.  I went and downloaded 7.2 just in case I need it for
> > any reason, and wonders if any versions previous to 7.2 had a modified
> > image, and if so if someone could let me know where I can find that.
> >
> > For example, one of the server I have at work was originally configured to
> > run RH 7.2, but there was this one application (I forgot what it was) 
> needs
> > to be ran on 7.1, so we went and re-done the whole environment.  Luckily I
> > don't need to reconfigure my box to do that.
> >
> > So that's my two pennies on the subject...
> >
> > --David
> >
> > At 02:13 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Dear Friends:
> > >
> > >It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring
> > >articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
> > >will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to
> > >inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
> > >included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already taking
> > >orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
> > >directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want to
> > >pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
> > >standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download from
> > >mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
> > >writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing the
> > >HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.
> > >
> > >Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance working
> > >over the past few years with various staffers
> > >from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup
> > >Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
> > >officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README about
> > >accessibility support in Red Hat products which
> > >singles him out. Way to go, Bill!
> > >
> > >There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the 
> community
> > >on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
> > >question:
> > >
> > >Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup
> > >Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
> > >to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while? How
> > >long? And for what purpose?
> > >
> > >The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy
> > >about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
> > >would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile longer.
> > >
> > >What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Adam Myrow]

Will the new Redhat require some special parameter to activate Speakup?
For example, in Slackware, you select speakup.i or any of the other
Speakup kernels at boot time.  Withthe the modified Redhat, all the
kernels were Speakup-enabled.

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Aaron Howell]

He probably means an application which was only supported under RH7.1.
We have several commercial applications at work which say they require this or that exact version of Redhat to funcion 
However in reality they'll run quite nicely under any version.
As a rule, you can run an application which is designed for any major release of Redhat, e.g 7.x under any minor release (7.1, 7.2, etc).

You might run into problems trying to run applications designed to run under RedHat 6.x with version 7 (though there are compatibility libraries to aid in this),
and you will definitely have problems running  applications designed for RedHat 5.x or below.
Eventually, the compatibility libs for RedHat 6.x will be dropped too, but as far as I am aware they're still in version 8.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Aaron
On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 05:04:10PM -0600, William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123 wrote:
> For the life of me, I can't begin to imagine what application would only 
> run on rh7.1.  I'd love to hear more, if you can find out more.  There was 
> a 7.1 version, but i don't think it's up anywhere any more.  Unless 
> someone can give me a very good reason to keep 7.2 around on the 
> Speakup site, the directory will be history by the end of Monday.
> -- 
>           Bill in Denver
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Bear in SFO wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I am relatively new to Speakup so I am not sure how far back Speakup had 
> > been available as a modified version but I am for keeping those images for 
> > as long as possible.  I went and downloaded 7.2 just in case I need it for 
> > any reason, and wonders if any versions previous to 7.2 had a modified 
> > image, and if so if someone could let me know where I can find that.
> > 
> > For example, one of the server I have at work was originally configured to 
> > run RH 7.2, but there was this one application (I forgot what it was) needs 
> > to be ran on 7.1, so we went and re-done the whole environment.  Luckily I 
> > don't need to reconfigure my box to do that.
> > 
> > So that's my two pennies on the subject...
> > 
> > --David
> > 
> > At 02:13 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Dear Friends:
> > >
> > >It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring 
> > >articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
> > >will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to 
> > >inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
> > >included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already taking 
> > >orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
> > >directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want to 
> > >pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
> > >standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download from 
> > >mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
> > >writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing the 
> > >HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.
> > >
> > >Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance working 
> > >over the past few years with various staffers
> > >from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup 
> > >Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
> > >officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README about 
> > >accessibility support in Red Hat products which
> > >singles him out. Way to go, Bill!
> > >
> > >There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the community 
> > >on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
> > >question:
> > >
> > >Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup 
> > >Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
> > >to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while? How 
> > >long? And for what purpose?
> > >
> > >The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy 
> > >about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
> > >would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile longer.
> > >
> > >What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Aaron Howell]

Yes, at the boot prompt you still need to type
text speakup_synth=xxx
just as you did in the speakup modified Redhat distribution.
Otherwise you'll end up with a graphical installer which you can't use.
Regards
Aaron
On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 06:15:02PM -0500, Adam Myrow wrote:
> Will the new Redhat require some special parameter to activate Speakup?
> For example, in Slackware, you select speakup.i or any of the other
> Speakup kernels at boot time.  Withthe the modified Redhat, all the
> kernels were Speakup-enabled.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Adam Myrow]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Aaron Howell wrote:

> Yes, at the boot prompt you still need to type
> text speakup_synth=xxx

So, what you are saying is that the default kernel will have Speakup.
Won't that be a nuisance for a sighted user?  I guess they can just
compile a new kernel, but that's an interesting method.  Then again, you
can't really select the kernel to boot with Redhat.  I think it picks a
kernel based on your system at startup.  Am I right about this?  Will it
then key on the speakup_synth parameter and know to use a Speakup kernel?
Just a bit confused, that's all.  Maybe I'll wait until the load lightens
on the FTP sites and give it a try myself now that I have cable Internet.

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Janina Sajka]

Adam Myrow writes:
> 
> On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Aaron Howell wrote:
> 
> > Yes, at the boot prompt you still need to type
> > text speakup_synth=xxx
> 
> So, what you are saying is that the default kernel will have Speakup.
> Won't that be a nuisance for a sighted user?

Why would this be a nuisance for the sighted user? Why is having Speakup in the kernel more of a nuisance than any other
element of the kernel, which some user may or may not need?

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Bear in SFO]

Excuse my ignorance but how does that (having Speakup in the kernel or not) 
affect a sighted user?!

--David

At 07:19 PM 9/28/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Aaron Howell wrote:
>
> > Yes, at the boot prompt you still need to type
> > text speakup_synth=xxx
>
>So, what you are saying is that the default kernel will have Speakup.
>Won't that be a nuisance for a sighted user?  I guess they can just
>compile a new kernel, but that's an interesting method.  Then again, you
>can't really select the kernel to boot with Redhat.  I think it picks a
>kernel based on your system at startup.  Am I right about this?  Will it
>then key on the speakup_synth parameter and know to use a Speakup kernel?
>Just a bit confused, that's all.  Maybe I'll wait until the load lightens
>on the FTP sites and give it a try myself now that I have cable Internet.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Aaron Howell]

There is no default speech synthesizer selected in the redHat kernels,
So my understanding of it is if you don't specify one, Speakup won't try to probe for one either.
This means that the most inconvenience a sighted person will suffer is a couple of lines in their syslog about speakup not  starting up,
(which most of them won't even be aware of).
Regards
Aaron
On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 07:19:32PM -0500, Adam Myrow wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Aaron Howell wrote:
> 
> > Yes, at the boot prompt you still need to type
> > text speakup_synth=xxx
> 
> So, what you are saying is that the default kernel will have Speakup.
> Won't that be a nuisance for a sighted user?  I guess they can just
> compile a new kernel, but that's an interesting method.  Then again, you
> can't really select the kernel to boot with Redhat.  I think it picks a
> kernel based on your system at startup.  Am I right about this?  Will it
> then key on the speakup_synth parameter and know to use a Speakup kernel?
> Just a bit confused, that's all.  Maybe I'll wait until the load lightens
> on the FTP sites and give it a try myself now that I have cable Internet.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Adam Myrow]

On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Bear in SFO wrote:

>
> Excuse my ignorance but how does that (having Speakup in the kernel or not)
> affect a sighted user?!

I suppose it depends.  If you have compiled it with a default synthesizer
other than none, it will probe the serial ports if it's serial, possibly
pausing the machine for quite some time trying to find the synth.  Also,
if you've compiled the keymap into the kernel, you would have your numeric
pad remapped even when Speakup isn't talking.  Of course, the CVS version
has solved this particular issue enough that the keypad will still type
numbers when numlock is pressed, and since the CVS version is required for
kernel 2.4.19 and newer, it is likely the one in Redhat.  Lastly,
including all the synthesizer drivers would make the kernel a bit larger
than normal.  However, it doesn't surprise me that Redhat would include
Speakup in the stock kernel.  One of the things I dislike about Redhat is
that they always use some sort of patched kernel.  It is flat impossible,
as far as I know, to tell what patches have been applied to the Redhat
kernel when you install.  For example, EXT3 was available in Redhat long
before it was considered ready for production.  I think it was in kernel
2.4.7, and it didn't even show up in stock kernels until 2.4.15.  When I
tried to build a Redhat kernel once, there were numerous options I've
never seen.  My belief is that a production system should use the fewest
patches to the kernel that are needed to get the job done.  With
Slackware, unless you explicitly choose a kernel with the Speakup patch,
you get a kernel produced from a stock source.  Actually, there are a few
patched kernels besides the Speakup ones, but reading the documentation,
you will know what was patched and why and can even download the patch if
desired.  The point is, you know exactly what you are getting.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see Redhat include Speakup, but I just
wish they wouldn't be concerned about marketing to the point that they
sacrifice compatibility.  As another example, Redhat 8 will use gcc
3.0.2, and Slackware is still beta testing the version 9 which also uses
the newer gcc.  It will likely be a long time before we see other
distributions start shipping with gcc 3.0.2, but Redhat is jumping the gun
to make themselves up to date.  We'll see how it goes.

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Richard Villa]

Well,

If I have learned anything in the past 33 years plus that I have been
working in the I T field,.  I have learned to always have at least one
previous version of a software product as a backup in the event something is
seriously wrong with a new release of the product.

Richard

If you are going to burn all of your bridges, you better be able to walk on
water.

----- Original Message -----
From: "William F. Acker WB2FLW +1-303-777-8123" <wacker@octothorp.org>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified


> For the life of me, I can't begin to imagine what application would only
> run on rh7.1.  I'd love to hear more, if you can find out more.  There was
> a 7.1 version, but i don't think it's up anywhere any more.  Unless
> someone can give me a very good reason to keep 7.2 around on the
> Speakup site, the directory will be history by the end of Monday.
> --
>           Bill in Denver
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Bear in SFO wrote:
>
> >
> > I am relatively new to Speakup so I am not sure how far back Speakup had
> > been available as a modified version but I am for keeping those images
for
> > as long as possible.  I went and downloaded 7.2 just in case I need it
for
> > any reason, and wonders if any versions previous to 7.2 had a modified
> > image, and if so if someone could let me know where I can find that.
> >
> > For example, one of the server I have at work was originally configured
to
> > run RH 7.2, but there was this one application (I forgot what it was)
needs
> > to be ran on 7.1, so we went and re-done the whole environment.  Luckily
I
> > don't need to reconfigure my box to do that.
> >
> > So that's my two pennies on the subject...
> >
> > --David
> >
> > At 02:13 PM 9/28/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Dear Friends:
> > >
> > >It now seems all but official. Even the Red Hat Home Page is featuring
> > >articles about Red Hat 8.0 which plainly state it
> > >will be released this coming Monday, September 30. I am delighted to
> > >inform you that Speakup and the Speakup keymap are
> > >included in this release. Sites such as Linux Central are already
taking
> > >orders, but we suggest you wait to get CD ROMs
> > >directly from Red Hat for less, unless, of course, you actually want to
> > >pay more for those printed manuals. In the long
> > >standing tradition, iso images will also be available for download from
> > >mirror sites worldwide. And, I am hard at work
> > >writing changes to our web page on the Speakup web site--and editing
the
> > >HOWTO to reflect this exciting development.
> > >
> > >Congratulations to Bill Acker for his patience and perseverance working
> > >over the past few years with various staffers
> > >from Red Hat, on several Red Hat lists, and with us on the Speakup
> > >Modified. Bill's the real reason Speakup is now
> > >officially part of the Red Hat distribution, and there's a README about
> > >accessibility support in Red Hat products which
> > >singles him out. Way to go, Bill!
> > >
> > >There is a question, though, for which we want guidance from the
community
> > >on the Speakup list. Here's the simple
> > >question:
> > >
> > >Should we continue to offer the old, now about to be defunct, Speakup
> > >Modified version 7.3? Is there some special reason
> > >to keep those files around? For a little while? For a longer while? How
> > >long? And for what purpose?
> > >
> > >The days of the Speakup Modified have come to an end, and we're happy
> > >about it. But, if folks here find it useful, Kirk
> > >would probably not mind those older files hanging around awhile longer.
> > >
> > >What do you think? Let us know your thoughts.
> > >
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Speakup mailing list
> > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
>
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> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Darrell Shandrow]

Actually, I like to have a rather inclusive Kernel out of the box.  Then,
the feature I need at any given time is likely already in place, without
having to do a lot of compiling/patching/whatever to the Kernel.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Myrow" <myrow@eskimo.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified


> On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Bear in SFO wrote:
>
> >
> > Excuse my ignorance but how does that (having Speakup in the kernel or
not)
> > affect a sighted user?!
>
> I suppose it depends.  If you have compiled it with a default synthesizer
> other than none, it will probe the serial ports if it's serial, possibly
> pausing the machine for quite some time trying to find the synth.  Also,
> if you've compiled the keymap into the kernel, you would have your numeric
> pad remapped even when Speakup isn't talking.  Of course, the CVS version
> has solved this particular issue enough that the keypad will still type
> numbers when numlock is pressed, and since the CVS version is required for
> kernel 2.4.19 and newer, it is likely the one in Redhat.  Lastly,
> including all the synthesizer drivers would make the kernel a bit larger
> than normal.  However, it doesn't surprise me that Redhat would include
> Speakup in the stock kernel.  One of the things I dislike about Redhat is
> that they always use some sort of patched kernel.  It is flat impossible,
> as far as I know, to tell what patches have been applied to the Redhat
> kernel when you install.  For example, EXT3 was available in Redhat long
> before it was considered ready for production.  I think it was in kernel
> 2.4.7, and it didn't even show up in stock kernels until 2.4.15.  When I
> tried to build a Redhat kernel once, there were numerous options I've
> never seen.  My belief is that a production system should use the fewest
> patches to the kernel that are needed to get the job done.  With
> Slackware, unless you explicitly choose a kernel with the Speakup patch,
> you get a kernel produced from a stock source.  Actually, there are a few
> patched kernels besides the Speakup ones, but reading the documentation,
> you will know what was patched and why and can even download the patch if
> desired.  The point is, you know exactly what you are getting.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see Redhat include Speakup, but I just
> wish they wouldn't be concerned about marketing to the point that they
> sacrifice compatibility.  As another example, Redhat 8 will use gcc
> 3.0.2, and Slackware is still beta testing the version 9 which also uses
> the newer gcc.  It will likely be a long time before we see other
> distributions start shipping with gcc 3.0.2, but Redhat is jumping the gun
> to make themselves up to date.  We'll see how it goes.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Geoff Shang]

On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Adam Myrow wrote:

> including all the synthesizer drivers would make the kernel a bit larger
> than normal.

I believe it's something like 70K bigger.

Geoff.

Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

I think you should keep the previous version around for a bit, at least
until the new version has proved stable out in the field.  I'm not a
redhat
user, but I remember many many issues reported about redhat 7.0 and, if I
were a redhat user or needed to switch to it, I'd like the choice of a rock
solid 7.x release or a newer 8.0 release.  Of course, if their testing
regime has been thorough, then the stability of 8.0 should be proved in
short order.

Geoff.


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Re: red hat 8.0 and the Speakup Modified

[Thomas Ward]

Hi. Well, I guess you probably did alot of unnecessary work down grading to
7.1. You probably only needed a library which was easy enough to install,
and then you could have installed that application under 7.2 which is much
better than 7.1.
Often times when something says system requirements 7.1 it will work fine on
later versions assuming you have the dependancies or newer versions of them.
That's my two cents. Hope this helps. You might want  to upgrade to 8 when
it comes out.