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@  Charles Hallenbeck
   ` Janina Sajka
   ` Kirk Wood
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From: Charles Hallenbeck @  UTC (permalink / raw)
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Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed to
work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to my
ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway. When I
forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail thing
with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
Chuck


My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* RE: wait a minute
@  Holmes, Steve
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Holmes, Steve @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'

I leave all the specific stuff out of pine's configuration; let pine get all
system defaults.  For sendmail, you need to add a "masquerade-as" option.
It goes like this:
MASQUERADE_AS(mhonline)
Insert this line into your sendmail.mc file and compile with m4 as usual.
This will bury the hudson part of your outgoing mail.  What I can't remember
right this minute is whether this address will also appear in all your local
mail sent on your machine.  If this is indeed the case, then the only
problem is your replies would end up going out through your ISP's mail
server to get back to you.  There may be a way to suppress this behavior on
local mail but not sure right now.

This sendmail stuff sure gets complicated.  Once I get it working the way I
want, I put the thing to bed and kind of forget about it for a very long
time:).

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Hallenbeck [mailto:chuckh@hudson.mhonline.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 2:38 PM
To: Frank Carmickle
Cc: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: wait a minute



Frank -
I am sending to my local names okay now, and my outgoing mail is going out
too, but it contains an incorrect "from" address. If you will notice it
says "hudson.mhonline.net" and ought to say only "mhonline.net". The name
"hudson" is what I specified as my hostname when I ran netconfig, and
"mhonline.net" is what I specified as the domain name That happens to be
what my ISP uses as its domain. But adding the "hudson" creates an illegal
return address... I used to have pine create the proper outgoing address,
but if I put that back in it screws up my local deliveries. Catch 22. I
have to ask sendmail to ignore the "hudson" part of
"hudson.mhonline.net". Any idea how to do that?
Chuck


On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote:

> Hello Chuck Janina and all
> 
> Janina I don't think that is the answer at all.  First of all what mailer
> are you using Janina?  Chuck you are using sendmail correct?
> 
> in your sendmail.cf 'in slack 7.1 now in /etc/mail' previously in /etc
> make sure that
> Cwlocalhost
> #Dj
> CP.
> DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> 
> This is the real ticket.  It should work so that your sendmail gathers
> mail for you localy and delivers it to the smart host with out
> bouncing.  In theory this works.  I actually did this for six months when
> I was using dialup.  This should allow you to have a different hostname in
> your /etc/HOSTNAME file then what you actually would have when
> connected.  Janina's situation is a little funny.  Because your ISP blocks
> port 25 you have to change your smarthost 'DS' evrytime you change from
> uu.net dialup to being connected in the office.  Not fun at all!  Right at
> this moment I can't think of a way around this.  Blame the people who
> block the damn ports.  What bastards!
> 
> CO @ %
> C..
> C[[
> 
> 
> For the most par these should work for you.  There may be a few other
> things I am missing but for now this is all I can see that will make this
> work.
> 
> HTH
> Frank
> 
> 
>      Frank Carmickle
> phone:     412 761-9568
> email:     frankiec@dryrose.com
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Try sending a message to root. If that works, specifying users in class
l
> > shgould work too.
> > 
> > The more I think about this, the more I think defining a hostname--a
fully
> > qualified hostname is the real answer.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > 
> > > Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed
to
> > > work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to
my
> > > ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
> > > without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway.
When I
> > > forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail
thing
> > > with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (70% of Full)


_______________________________________________
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http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


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* RE: wait a minute
@  Holmes, Steve
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Holmes, Steve @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'

In my previous message, I left out the .net part.  the MASQUERADE_AS option
should have said mhonline.net.  Sorry for the trouble.

-----Original Message-----
From: Holmes, Steve [mailto:SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:59 AM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: RE: wait a minute


I leave all the specific stuff out of pine's configuration; let pine get all
system defaults.  For sendmail, you need to add a "masquerade-as" option.
It goes like this:
MASQUERADE_AS(mhonline)
Insert this line into your sendmail.mc file and compile with m4 as usual.
This will bury the hudson part of your outgoing mail.  What I can't remember
right this minute is whether this address will also appear in all your local
mail sent on your machine.  If this is indeed the case, then the only
problem is your replies would end up going out through your ISP's mail
server to get back to you.  There may be a way to suppress this behavior on
local mail but not sure right now.

This sendmail stuff sure gets complicated.  Once I get it working the way I
want, I put the thing to bed and kind of forget about it for a very long
time:).

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Hallenbeck [mailto:chuckh@hudson.mhonline.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 2:38 PM
To: Frank Carmickle
Cc: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: wait a minute



Frank -
I am sending to my local names okay now, and my outgoing mail is going out
too, but it contains an incorrect "from" address. If you will notice it
says "hudson.mhonline.net" and ought to say only "mhonline.net". The name
"hudson" is what I specified as my hostname when I ran netconfig, and
"mhonline.net" is what I specified as the domain name That happens to be
what my ISP uses as its domain. But adding the "hudson" creates an illegal
return address... I used to have pine create the proper outgoing address,
but if I put that back in it screws up my local deliveries. Catch 22. I
have to ask sendmail to ignore the "hudson" part of
"hudson.mhonline.net". Any idea how to do that?
Chuck


On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote:

> Hello Chuck Janina and all
> 
> Janina I don't think that is the answer at all.  First of all what mailer
> are you using Janina?  Chuck you are using sendmail correct?
> 
> in your sendmail.cf 'in slack 7.1 now in /etc/mail' previously in /etc
> make sure that
> Cwlocalhost
> #Dj
> CP.
> DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> 
> This is the real ticket.  It should work so that your sendmail gathers
> mail for you localy and delivers it to the smart host with out
> bouncing.  In theory this works.  I actually did this for six months when
> I was using dialup.  This should allow you to have a different hostname in
> your /etc/HOSTNAME file then what you actually would have when
> connected.  Janina's situation is a little funny.  Because your ISP blocks
> port 25 you have to change your smarthost 'DS' evrytime you change from
> uu.net dialup to being connected in the office.  Not fun at all!  Right at
> this moment I can't think of a way around this.  Blame the people who
> block the damn ports.  What bastards!
> 
> CO @ %
> C..
> C[[
> 
> 
> For the most par these should work for you.  There may be a few other
> things I am missing but for now this is all I can see that will make this
> work.
> 
> HTH
> Frank
> 
> 
>      Frank Carmickle
> phone:     412 761-9568
> email:     frankiec@dryrose.com
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Try sending a message to root. If that works, specifying users in class
l
> > shgould work too.
> > 
> > The more I think about this, the more I think defining a hostname--a
fully
> > qualified hostname is the real answer.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > 
> > > Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed
to
> > > work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to
my
> > > ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
> > > without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway.
When I
> > > forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail
thing
> > > with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (70% of Full)


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* RE: wait a minute
@  Klarich, Terry
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Klarich, Terry @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca', Frank Carmickle

You might want to look at domain masquerading.  This should do what you
want.  My home machine is red.ki5zw.ampr.org and all out-bound mail is sent
and received as ki5zw.ampr.org.  I can help with an m4 macro file if you
wish.

Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Hallenbeck [mailto:chuckh@hudson.mhonline.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 3:38 PM
To: Frank Carmickle
Cc: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: wait a minute



Frank -
I am sending to my local names okay now, and my outgoing mail is going out
too, but it contains an incorrect "from" address. If you will notice it
says "hudson.mhonline.net" and ought to say only "mhonline.net". The name
"hudson" is what I specified as my hostname when I ran netconfig, and
"mhonline.net" is what I specified as the domain name That happens to be
what my ISP uses as its domain. But adding the "hudson" creates an illegal
return address... I used to have pine create the proper outgoing address,
but if I put that back in it screws up my local deliveries. Catch 22. I
have to ask sendmail to ignore the "hudson" part of
"hudson.mhonline.net". Any idea how to do that?
Chuck


On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote:

> Hello Chuck Janina and all
> 
> Janina I don't think that is the answer at all.  First of all what mailer
> are you using Janina?  Chuck you are using sendmail correct?
> 
> in your sendmail.cf 'in slack 7.1 now in /etc/mail' previously in /etc
> make sure that
> Cwlocalhost
> #Dj
> CP.
> DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> 
> This is the real ticket.  It should work so that your sendmail gathers
> mail for you localy and delivers it to the smart host with out
> bouncing.  In theory this works.  I actually did this for six months when
> I was using dialup.  This should allow you to have a different hostname in
> your /etc/HOSTNAME file then what you actually would have when
> connected.  Janina's situation is a little funny.  Because your ISP blocks
> port 25 you have to change your smarthost 'DS' evrytime you change from
> uu.net dialup to being connected in the office.  Not fun at all!  Right at
> this moment I can't think of a way around this.  Blame the people who
> block the damn ports.  What bastards!
> 
> CO @ %
> C..
> C[[
> 
> 
> For the most par these should work for you.  There may be a few other
> things I am missing but for now this is all I can see that will make this
> work.
> 
> HTH
> Frank
> 
> 
>      Frank Carmickle
> phone:     412 761-9568
> email:     frankiec@dryrose.com
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Try sending a message to root. If that works, specifying users in class
l
> > shgould work too.
> > 
> > The more I think about this, the more I think defining a hostname--a
fully
> > qualified hostname is the real answer.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > 
> > > Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed
to
> > > work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to
my
> > > ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
> > > without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway.
When I
> > > forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail
thing
> > > with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (70% of Full)


_______________________________________________
Speakup mailing list
Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup


^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* RE: wait a minute
@  Klarich, Terry
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Klarich, Terry @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'

You also want to masquerade the envelope addresses.

Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Holmes, Steve [mailto:SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:22 AM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: RE: wait a minute


In my previous message, I left out the .net part.  the MASQUERADE_AS option
should have said mhonline.net.  Sorry for the trouble.

-----Original Message-----
From: Holmes, Steve [mailto:SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:59 AM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: RE: wait a minute


I leave all the specific stuff out of pine's configuration; let pine get all
system defaults.  For sendmail, you need to add a "masquerade-as" option.
It goes like this:
MASQUERADE_AS(mhonline)
Insert this line into your sendmail.mc file and compile with m4 as usual.
This will bury the hudson part of your outgoing mail.  What I can't remember
right this minute is whether this address will also appear in all your local
mail sent on your machine.  If this is indeed the case, then the only
problem is your replies would end up going out through your ISP's mail
server to get back to you.  There may be a way to suppress this behavior on
local mail but not sure right now.

This sendmail stuff sure gets complicated.  Once I get it working the way I
want, I put the thing to bed and kind of forget about it for a very long
time:).

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Hallenbeck [mailto:chuckh@hudson.mhonline.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 2:38 PM
To: Frank Carmickle
Cc: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: wait a minute



Frank -
I am sending to my local names okay now, and my outgoing mail is going out
too, but it contains an incorrect "from" address. If you will notice it
says "hudson.mhonline.net" and ought to say only "mhonline.net". The name
"hudson" is what I specified as my hostname when I ran netconfig, and
"mhonline.net" is what I specified as the domain name That happens to be
what my ISP uses as its domain. But adding the "hudson" creates an illegal
return address... I used to have pine create the proper outgoing address,
but if I put that back in it screws up my local deliveries. Catch 22. I
have to ask sendmail to ignore the "hudson" part of
"hudson.mhonline.net". Any idea how to do that?
Chuck


On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote:

> Hello Chuck Janina and all
> 
> Janina I don't think that is the answer at all.  First of all what mailer
> are you using Janina?  Chuck you are using sendmail correct?
> 
> in your sendmail.cf 'in slack 7.1 now in /etc/mail' previously in /etc
> make sure that
> Cwlocalhost
> #Dj
> CP.
> DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> 
> This is the real ticket.  It should work so that your sendmail gathers
> mail for you localy and delivers it to the smart host with out
> bouncing.  In theory this works.  I actually did this for six months when
> I was using dialup.  This should allow you to have a different hostname in
> your /etc/HOSTNAME file then what you actually would have when
> connected.  Janina's situation is a little funny.  Because your ISP blocks
> port 25 you have to change your smarthost 'DS' evrytime you change from
> uu.net dialup to being connected in the office.  Not fun at all!  Right at
> this moment I can't think of a way around this.  Blame the people who
> block the damn ports.  What bastards!
> 
> CO @ %
> C..
> C[[
> 
> 
> For the most par these should work for you.  There may be a few other
> things I am missing but for now this is all I can see that will make this
> work.
> 
> HTH
> Frank
> 
> 
>      Frank Carmickle
> phone:     412 761-9568
> email:     frankiec@dryrose.com
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Try sending a message to root. If that works, specifying users in class
l
> > shgould work too.
> > 
> > The more I think about this, the more I think defining a hostname--a
fully
> > qualified hostname is the real answer.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > 
> > > Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed
to
> > > work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to
my
> > > ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
> > > without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway.
When I
> > > forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail
thing
> > > with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (70% of Full)


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* RE: wait a minute
@  Klarich, Terry
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Klarich, Terry @  UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'

The cw macro in the sendmail.cf file is used to tell sendmail which hosts it
should consider to be local.  This in no way will rewrite any out-bound
addresses.

Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Hoath [mailto:kerry@gotss.eu.org]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:15 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: wait a minute


There is a better way, it has something to do with the
cw list you put your local domains in that list so sendmail
knows to deliver locally to those addresses.
I _think_ it is cw, I use exim, a much nicer mailer to
configure.
In there you set routers to deliver to remote addresses.
First the domain is checked to see if it is local if it is it is handed
to the directors. Otherwise it is handed to the routers.
If local: it is handed to each director in turn
and hopefully one handles it. Directors
are things like aliasfile, local_user, forward_file etc.
If the address is remote it is handed to a router like
remote_smtp or uucp.
I have all mail on this smachine handled remotely by a smarthost router that
simply queues it all up for uucp delivery.
Antiquated but it goes. I could alternatively set
queue_only on the remote_smtp transport and
run the queue when I connect.
Each director/router must have a transport, the transport delivers
the message for you for example remote_smtp
uses the lookuphost router and the smtp transport.
Easier to read than sendmail but sendmail is a defacto
standard.

Regards, Kerry.
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 07:12:16PM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> Hi Frankie,
> Couple of questions please...
> 
> 
> > make sure that
> > Cwlocalhost
> > #Dj
> > CP.
> > DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> > 
> Question: Obviously I put my own ISP's smtp server there, which is
> mail.mhonline.net, but do I keep the quotes or drop them?
> 
> You suggested letting Pine supply the "from" address, but when I do that
> it breaks the ability to send mail to other local users when the link is
> down.
> 
> There is a brute force solution that I am seriously thinking about -
> namely, to switch pine configurations depending on whether I want to mail
> to a local user or to the outside world. I have to strip all references to
> my ISP from Pine for it to work on the local circuit, but I have to add
> them again if I want a properly formed return address on outgoing
> mail. There has got to be a better way!
> 
> (famous last words)
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (71% of Full)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
--
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Alternates: kerry@emusys.com.au kerry@gotss.spice.net.au or
khoath@lis.net.au
ICQ UIN: 8226547


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