wait a minute

wait a minute

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed to
work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to my
ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway. When I
forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail thing
with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
Chuck


My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)

Re: wait a minute

[Janina Sajka]

Try sending a message to root. If that works, specifying users in class l
shgould work too.

The more I think about this, the more I think defining a hostname--a fully
qualified hostname is the real answer.


On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

> Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed to
> work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to my
> ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
> without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway. When I
> forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail thing
> with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
> Chuck
>
>
> My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net
(202) 408-8175
http://www.afb.org/gov.html


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of the past millenium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon eclipse it.
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Re: wait a minute

[Frank Carmickle]

Hello Chuck Janina and all

Janina I don't think that is the answer at all.  First of all what mailer
are you using Janina?  Chuck you are using sendmail correct?

in your sendmail.cf 'in slack 7.1 now in /etc/mail' previously in /etc
make sure that
Cwlocalhost
#Dj
CP.
DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"

This is the real ticket.  It should work so that your sendmail gathers
mail for you localy and delivers it to the smart host with out
bouncing.  In theory this works.  I actually did this for six months when
I was using dialup.  This should allow you to have a different hostname in
your /etc/HOSTNAME file then what you actually would have when
connected.  Janina's situation is a little funny.  Because your ISP blocks
port 25 you have to change your smarthost 'DS' evrytime you change from
uu.net dialup to being connected in the office.  Not fun at all!  Right at
this moment I can't think of a way around this.  Blame the people who
block the damn ports.  What bastards!

CO @ %
C..
C[[


For the most par these should work for you.  There may be a few other
things I am missing but for now this is all I can see that will make this
work.

HTH
Frank


     Frank Carmickle
phone:     412 761-9568
email:     frankiec@dryrose.com

On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:

> Try sending a message to root. If that works, specifying users in class l
> shgould work too.
> 
> The more I think about this, the more I think defining a hostname--a fully
> qualified hostname is the real answer.
> 
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> > Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed to
> > work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to my
> > ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
> > without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway. When I
> > forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail thing
> > with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 

Re: wait a minute

[Janina Sajka]

I'm not using a smart host at all. I'm not sure exactly how I'm
routing--should probably send some messages to check it out, but I'm
definitely able to send without a hitch--except when I'm in the office.
Whilst I'm in the office, my connection is via eth0 with a 192.168.x.y
address, and I'm configured as toccata.grg.afb.net. I think that's a clue
as it might be trying to deliver locally--which is where the bottleneck is
when I fetchmail. No local delivery. Everything is blocked--according to
mail in root it's some kind of port denial. So, I think my problem is all
local, not at all with external definitions.

PS: I'm using this machine right now and writing you guys with no
broblems. There's no smart host, and no smtp definition in the pine
config. But I can't fetchmail. Fetchmail looks like it's working
perfectly--goes through the list of mail, says it's flushing, etc. It just
fails eventually as stuff isn't delivered.

If you're curious, I'm snatching my mail over ftp (as a single file from
/var/mail/janina on my server at afb.net) and using

	cat janina >>/var/mail/janina

to deliver it to myself. Hokey, but it works.



Carmickle wrote:

> Hello Chuck Janina and all
>
> Janina I don't think that is the answer at all.  First of all what mailer
> are you using Janina?  Chuck you are using sendmail correct?
>
> in your sendmail.cf 'in slack 7.1 now in /etc/mail' previously in /etc
> make sure that
> Cwlocalhost
> #Dj
> CP.
> DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
>
> This is the real ticket.  It should work so that your sendmail gathers
> mail for you localy and delivers it to the smart host with out
> bouncing.  In theory this works.  I actually did this for six months when
> I was using dialup.  This should allow you to have a different hostname in
> your /etc/HOSTNAME file then what you actually would have when
> connected.  Janina's situation is a little funny.  Because your ISP blocks
> port 25 you have to change your smarthost 'DS' evrytime you change from
> uu.net dialup to being connected in the office.  Not fun at all!  Right at
> this moment I can't think of a way around this.  Blame the people who
> block the damn ports.  What bastards!
>
> CO @ %
> C..
> C[[
>
>
> For the most par these should work for you.  There may be a few other
> things I am missing but for now this is all I can see that will make this
> work.
>
> HTH
> Frank
>
>
>      Frank Carmickle
> phone:     412 761-9568
> email:     frankiec@dryrose.com
>
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
>
> > Try sending a message to root. If that works, specifying users in class l
> > shgould work too.
> >
> > The more I think about this, the more I think defining a hostname--a fully
> > qualified hostname is the real answer.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> >
> > > Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed to
> > > work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to my
> > > ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
> > > without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway. When I
> > > forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail thing
> > > with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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-- 

				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

janina@afb.net
(202) 408-8175
http://www.afb.org/gov.html


The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning achievment
of the past millenium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon eclipse it.
Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:

	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html

Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer users.
Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.

Re: wait a minute

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Frank -

I think we are closing in on it. I had several other references to my
ISP's domain in the pine configuration which I removed. That makes the
local mail thing work even when not connected. Now let's see if we can get
sendmail to compensate for that when it is going to my ISP. 
I will let you (s) know.


My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (70% of Full)

Re: wait a minute

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Frank -
I am sending to my local names okay now, and my outgoing mail is going out
too, but it contains an incorrect "from" address. If you will notice it
says "hudson.mhonline.net" and ought to say only "mhonline.net". The name
"hudson" is what I specified as my hostname when I ran netconfig, and
"mhonline.net" is what I specified as the domain name That happens to be
what my ISP uses as its domain. But adding the "hudson" creates an illegal
return address... I used to have pine create the proper outgoing address,
but if I put that back in it screws up my local deliveries. Catch 22. I
have to ask sendmail to ignore the "hudson" part of
"hudson.mhonline.net". Any idea how to do that?
Chuck


On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote:

> Hello Chuck Janina and all
> 
> Janina I don't think that is the answer at all.  First of all what mailer
> are you using Janina?  Chuck you are using sendmail correct?
> 
> in your sendmail.cf 'in slack 7.1 now in /etc/mail' previously in /etc
> make sure that
> Cwlocalhost
> #Dj
> CP.
> DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> 
> This is the real ticket.  It should work so that your sendmail gathers
> mail for you localy and delivers it to the smart host with out
> bouncing.  In theory this works.  I actually did this for six months when
> I was using dialup.  This should allow you to have a different hostname in
> your /etc/HOSTNAME file then what you actually would have when
> connected.  Janina's situation is a little funny.  Because your ISP blocks
> port 25 you have to change your smarthost 'DS' evrytime you change from
> uu.net dialup to being connected in the office.  Not fun at all!  Right at
> this moment I can't think of a way around this.  Blame the people who
> block the damn ports.  What bastards!
> 
> CO @ %
> C..
> C[[
> 
> 
> For the most par these should work for you.  There may be a few other
> things I am missing but for now this is all I can see that will make this
> work.
> 
> HTH
> Frank
> 
> 
>      Frank Carmickle
> phone:     412 761-9568
> email:     frankiec@dryrose.com
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Try sending a message to root. If that works, specifying users in class l
> > shgould work too.
> > 
> > The more I think about this, the more I think defining a hostname--a fully
> > qualified hostname is the real answer.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > 
> > > Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed to
> > > work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to my
> > > ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
> > > without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway. When I
> > > forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail thing
> > > with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
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My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (70% of Full)

Re: wait a minute

[Frank Carmickle]

Hi Chuck

Still again another pine problem.  For the life of me I couldn't figure
this out for like five months.  I could do everything except post to any
of kirk's mailing lists.  He has pretty tight security you know!  He's
just a dirty bastard that way.  hahahahaaha!!!  

Anyway...  Tell pine that you want a specific name atached to your
messages in the config and I think you will get this thing licked.

Getting there slowly.  Oh by the way today has been the day from computer
hell.  linux-2.4.2 and alsa-0.5.10b just will not work together!  But they
do for some people and ot for others!  What is going on!

FC

     Frank Carmickle
phone:     412 761-9568
email:     frankiec@dryrose.com

On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:

> 
> Frank -
> I am sending to my local names okay now, and my outgoing mail is going out
> too, but it contains an incorrect "from" address. If you will notice it
> says "hudson.mhonline.net" and ought to say only "mhonline.net". The name
> "hudson" is what I specified as my hostname when I ran netconfig, and
> "mhonline.net" is what I specified as the domain name That happens to be
> what my ISP uses as its domain. But adding the "hudson" creates an illegal
> return address... I used to have pine create the proper outgoing address,
> but if I put that back in it screws up my local deliveries. Catch 22. I
> have to ask sendmail to ignore the "hudson" part of
> "hudson.mhonline.net". Any idea how to do that?
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote:
> 
> > Hello Chuck Janina and all
> > 
> > Janina I don't think that is the answer at all.  First of all what mailer
> > are you using Janina?  Chuck you are using sendmail correct?
> > 
> > in your sendmail.cf 'in slack 7.1 now in /etc/mail' previously in /etc
> > make sure that
> > Cwlocalhost
> > #Dj
> > CP.
> > DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> > 
> > This is the real ticket.  It should work so that your sendmail gathers
> > mail for you localy and delivers it to the smart host with out
> > bouncing.  In theory this works.  I actually did this for six months when
> > I was using dialup.  This should allow you to have a different hostname in
> > your /etc/HOSTNAME file then what you actually would have when
> > connected.  Janina's situation is a little funny.  Because your ISP blocks
> > port 25 you have to change your smarthost 'DS' evrytime you change from
> > uu.net dialup to being connected in the office.  Not fun at all!  Right at
> > this moment I can't think of a way around this.  Blame the people who
> > block the damn ports.  What bastards!
> > 
> > CO @ %
> > C..
> > C[[
> > 
> > 
> > For the most par these should work for you.  There may be a few other
> > things I am missing but for now this is all I can see that will make this
> > work.
> > 
> > HTH
> > Frank
> > 
> > 
> >      Frank Carmickle
> > phone:     412 761-9568
> > email:     frankiec@dryrose.com
> > 
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > 
> > > Try sending a message to root. If that works, specifying users in class l
> > > shgould work too.
> > > 
> > > The more I think about this, the more I think defining a hostname--a fully
> > > qualified hostname is the real answer.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed to
> > > > work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to my
> > > > ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
> > > > without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway. When I
> > > > forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail thing
> > > > with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (70% of Full)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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Re: wait a minute

[Kirk Wood]

Sounds like you have moved from one problem to another to me. I would
start looking at sendmail configuration. It may only be set to work with
the external IP address. In which case when your not connected it will
just sit there with none to work with. Perhaps you need to tell it to send
local mail to the loopback address?

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it.

Re: wait a minute

[Charles Hallenbeck]

Hi Frankie,
Couple of questions please...


> make sure that
> Cwlocalhost
> #Dj
> CP.
> DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> 
Question: Obviously I put my own ISP's smtp server there, which is
mail.mhonline.net, but do I keep the quotes or drop them?

You suggested letting Pine supply the "from" address, but when I do that
it breaks the ability to send mail to other local users when the link is
down.

There is a brute force solution that I am seriously thinking about -
namely, to switch pine configurations depending on whether I want to mail
to a local user or to the outside world. I have to strip all references to
my ISP from Pine for it to work on the local circuit, but I have to add
them again if I want a properly formed return address on outgoing
mail. There has got to be a better way!

(famous last words)

Chuck



My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (71% of Full)

Re: wait a minute

[Charles Hallenbeck]

That is what it looks like. I do not know how to do what you suggested. I
am tired of reading all the wrong stuff!!! <g>

On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:

> Sounds like you have moved from one problem to another to me. I would
> start looking at sendmail configuration. It may only be set to work with
> the external IP address. In which case when your not connected it will
> just sit there with none to work with. Perhaps you need to tell it to send
> local mail to the loopback address?
> 
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> 
> Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (71% of Full)

Re: wait a minute

[Kerry Hoath]

There is a better way, it has something to do with the
cw list you put your local domains in that list so sendmail
knows to deliver locally to those addresses.
I _think_ it is cw, I use exim, a much nicer mailer to
configure.
In there you set routers to deliver to remote addresses.
First the domain is checked to see if it is local if it is it is handed
to the directors. Otherwise it is handed to the routers.
If local: it is handed to each director in turn
and hopefully one handles it. Directors
are things like aliasfile, local_user, forward_file etc.
If the address is remote it is handed to a router like
remote_smtp or uucp.
I have all mail on this smachine handled remotely by a smarthost router that
simply queues it all up for uucp delivery.
Antiquated but it goes. I could alternatively set
queue_only on the remote_smtp transport and
run the queue when I connect.
Each director/router must have a transport, the transport delivers
the message for you for example remote_smtp
uses the lookuphost router and the smtp transport.
Easier to read than sendmail but sendmail is a defacto
standard.

Regards, Kerry.
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 07:12:16PM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> Hi Frankie,
> Couple of questions please...
> 
> 
> > make sure that
> > Cwlocalhost
> > #Dj
> > CP.
> > DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> > 
> Question: Obviously I put my own ISP's smtp server there, which is
> mail.mhonline.net, but do I keep the quotes or drop them?
> 
> You suggested letting Pine supply the "from" address, but when I do that
> it breaks the ability to send mail to other local users when the link is
> down.
> 
> There is a brute force solution that I am seriously thinking about -
> namely, to switch pine configurations depending on whether I want to mail
> to a local user or to the outside world. I have to strip all references to
> my ISP from Pine for it to work on the local circuit, but I have to add
> them again if I want a properly formed return address on outgoing
> mail. There has got to be a better way!
> 
> (famous last words)
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (71% of Full)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
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> 

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Alternates: kerry@emusys.com.au kerry@gotss.spice.net.au or khoath@lis.net.au
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Re: wait a minute

[Geoff Shang]

Hi Janina:

Did you sort out your local fetchmail delivery problem of 3 weeks back?  I
had a thought - perhaps your SMTP server is not accepting connections from
localhost, or from wherever it thinks fetchmail is connecting.  Just a
thought.  Maybe show us the output of "fetchmail -Nv" so we can see what it
thinks the problem is?

Geoff <who can't remember if this got resolved or not>

Re: wait a minute

[Janina Sajka]

Hi, Geoff:

Thanks for thinking of me! Your instincts about my problems with mail are
right on the nose. It is most certainly an smtp problem of some kind, and
it is also not fixed yet. If you have a suggestion, I would be very
grateful. Now is a good time for me to try again on a resolution.
First a little background:

My machine is named toccata, and its fqdn is toccata.grg.afb.net. This is
named in /etc/hosts with the localhost address of 127.0.0.1--and, indeed,
I have seen error messages that specifically say there was an error
delivering to janina@localhost.grg.afb.net. In other words, it's making
that substitution.

The error I get these days specifically says smtp error, and says that
it's a config error. My understanding is that dns is unsatisfied that this
machine really is toccata.grg.afb.net. But, it's also possible that a port
is locked as I am running firewalling here. However, I can telnet
localhost 25, And, I can telnet toccata.grg.afb.net 25. so what port? The
error I get after telnet and mail is the same 550 access denied in the
fetchmail output below, by the bye.


As pe;r your suggestion here's the output from:

fetchmail --keep -Nv ...

fetchmail: starting fetchmail 5.6.0 daemon
fetchmail: 5.6.0 querying 208.36.95.171 (protocol POP3) at Fim 22.Mar 2001, 17:58:14 EST
fetchmail: POP3< +OK QPOP (version 2.53) at helen.afb.net starting.
fetchmail: POP3> USER janina
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Password required for janina.
fetchmail: POP3> PASS *
fetchmail: POP3< +OK janina has 1 message (2132 octets).
fetchmail: POP3> STAT
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 1 2132
fetchmail: POP3> LAST
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 0 is the last read message.
1 message for janina at 208.36.95.171 (2132 octets).
fetchmail: POP3> LIST
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 1 messages (2132 octets)
fetchmail: POP3< 1 2132
fetchmail: POP3< .
fetchmail: POP3> RETR 1
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 2132 octets
reading message 1 of 1 (2132 octets)
fetchmail: SMTP< 220 toccata.grg.afb.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.11.2/8.11.2; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:58:20 -0500
fetchmail: SMTP> EHLO localhost
fetchmail: SMTP< 250-toccata.grg.afb.net Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
fetchmail: SMTP> MAIL FROM:<MIDI-MAG@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>
fetchmail: SMTP< 550 5.0.0 Access denied
fetchmail: SMTP> RSET
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 2.0.0 Reset state
fetchmail: SMTP< 220 toccata.grg.afb.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.11.2/8.11.2; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:58:20 -0500
fetchmail: SMTP> HELO localhost
fetchmail: SMTP< 250 toccata.grg.afb.net Hello localhost [127.0.0.1], pleased to meet you
fetchmail: SMTP> MAIL FROM:<FETCHMAIL-DAEMON@localhost>
fetchmail: SMTP< 550 5.0.0 Access denied
 not flushed
fetchmail: POP3> QUIT
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Pop server at helen.afb.net signing off.
fetchmail: SMTP> QUIT
fetchmail: SMTP< 221 2.0.0 toccata.grg.afb.net closing connection
fetchmail: fetchmail: sleeping at Fim 22.Mar 2001, 17:58:20 EST

Also, here is the relavent log vile extract in /var/logs/maillog ...

Mar 22 17:58:20 toccata sendmail[2383]: f2MMwK802383: tcpwrappers (localhost, 127.0.0.1) rejection
Mar 22 17:58:20 toccata sendmail[2386]: f2MMwK802386: tcpwrappers (localhost, 127.0.0.1) rejection
Mar 22 17:58:20 toccata sendmail[2383]: NOQUEUE: localhost [127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA
Mar 22 17:58:20 toccata sendmail[2396]: f2MMwKB02396: from=root, size=69, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200103222258.f2MMwKB02396@toccata.grg.afb.net>, relay=root@localhost
Mar 22 17:58:20 toccata sendmail[2395]: f2MMwKK02395: from=root, size=69, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200103222258.f2MMwKK02395@toccata.grg.afb.net>, relay=root@localhost
Mar 22 17:58:20 toccata sendmail[2399]: f2MMwKK02395: to=root, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30069, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Mar 22 17:58:29 toccata sendmail[2400]: f2MMwKB02396: to=root, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:09, xdelay=00:00:09, mailer=local, pri=30069, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Mar 22 17:58:51 toccata sendmail[2386]: NOQUEUE: localhost [127.0.0.1] did not issue MAIL/EXPN/VRFY/ETRN during connection to MTA

 On Fri,
23 Mar 2001, Geoff Shang wrote:

> Hi Janina:
>
> Did you sort out your local fetchmail delivery problem of 3 weeks back?  I
> had a thought - perhaps your SMTP server is not accepting connections from
> localhost, or from wherever it thinks fetchmail is connecting.  Just a
> thought.  Maybe show us the output of "fetchmail -Nv" so we can see what it
> thinks the problem is?
>
> Geoff <who can't remember if this got resolved or not>
>
>
>
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				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

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Re: wait a minute

[Janina Sajka]

I neglected to say that the domain grg.afb.net is nonresolvable. And, even
when it becomes resolvable, it will not be registered and will only work
within the firewall at the office. The machine I'm having this problem on
is a portable and will connect over various networks.
 On Fri, 23 Mar 2001,
Geoff Shang wrote:

> Hi Janina:
>
> Did you sort out your local fetchmail delivery problem of 3 weeks back?  I
> had a thought - perhaps your SMTP server is not accepting connections from
> localhost, or from wherever it thinks fetchmail is connecting.  Just a
> thought.  Maybe show us the output of "fetchmail -Nv" so we can see what it
> thinks the problem is?
>
> Geoff <who can't remember if this got resolved or not>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

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RE: wait a minute

[Klarich, Terry]

The cw macro in the sendmail.cf file is used to tell sendmail which hosts it
should consider to be local.  This in no way will rewrite any out-bound
addresses.

Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Kerry Hoath [mailto:kerry@gotss.eu.org]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:15 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: wait a minute


There is a better way, it has something to do with the
cw list you put your local domains in that list so sendmail
knows to deliver locally to those addresses.
I _think_ it is cw, I use exim, a much nicer mailer to
configure.
In there you set routers to deliver to remote addresses.
First the domain is checked to see if it is local if it is it is handed
to the directors. Otherwise it is handed to the routers.
If local: it is handed to each director in turn
and hopefully one handles it. Directors
are things like aliasfile, local_user, forward_file etc.
If the address is remote it is handed to a router like
remote_smtp or uucp.
I have all mail on this smachine handled remotely by a smarthost router that
simply queues it all up for uucp delivery.
Antiquated but it goes. I could alternatively set
queue_only on the remote_smtp transport and
run the queue when I connect.
Each director/router must have a transport, the transport delivers
the message for you for example remote_smtp
uses the lookuphost router and the smtp transport.
Easier to read than sendmail but sendmail is a defacto
standard.

Regards, Kerry.
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 07:12:16PM -0500, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> 
> Hi Frankie,
> Couple of questions please...
> 
> 
> > make sure that
> > Cwlocalhost
> > #Dj
> > CP.
> > DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> > 
> Question: Obviously I put my own ISP's smtp server there, which is
> mail.mhonline.net, but do I keep the quotes or drop them?
> 
> You suggested letting Pine supply the "from" address, but when I do that
> it breaks the ability to send mail to other local users when the link is
> down.
> 
> There is a brute force solution that I am seriously thinking about -
> namely, to switch pine configurations depending on whether I want to mail
> to a local user or to the outside world. I have to strip all references to
> my ISP from Pine for it to work on the local circuit, but I have to add
> them again if I want a properly formed return address on outgoing
> mail. There has got to be a better way!
> 
> (famous last words)
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh 
> The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (71% of Full)
> 
> 
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RE: wait a minute

[Klarich, Terry]

You also want to masquerade the envelope addresses.

Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Holmes, Steve [mailto:SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:22 AM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: RE: wait a minute


In my previous message, I left out the .net part.  the MASQUERADE_AS option
should have said mhonline.net.  Sorry for the trouble.

-----Original Message-----
From: Holmes, Steve [mailto:SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:59 AM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: RE: wait a minute


I leave all the specific stuff out of pine's configuration; let pine get all
system defaults.  For sendmail, you need to add a "masquerade-as" option.
It goes like this:
MASQUERADE_AS(mhonline)
Insert this line into your sendmail.mc file and compile with m4 as usual.
This will bury the hudson part of your outgoing mail.  What I can't remember
right this minute is whether this address will also appear in all your local
mail sent on your machine.  If this is indeed the case, then the only
problem is your replies would end up going out through your ISP's mail
server to get back to you.  There may be a way to suppress this behavior on
local mail but not sure right now.

This sendmail stuff sure gets complicated.  Once I get it working the way I
want, I put the thing to bed and kind of forget about it for a very long
time:).

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Hallenbeck [mailto:chuckh@hudson.mhonline.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 2:38 PM
To: Frank Carmickle
Cc: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: wait a minute



Frank -
I am sending to my local names okay now, and my outgoing mail is going out
too, but it contains an incorrect "from" address. If you will notice it
says "hudson.mhonline.net" and ought to say only "mhonline.net". The name
"hudson" is what I specified as my hostname when I ran netconfig, and
"mhonline.net" is what I specified as the domain name That happens to be
what my ISP uses as its domain. But adding the "hudson" creates an illegal
return address... I used to have pine create the proper outgoing address,
but if I put that back in it screws up my local deliveries. Catch 22. I
have to ask sendmail to ignore the "hudson" part of
"hudson.mhonline.net". Any idea how to do that?
Chuck


On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote:

> Hello Chuck Janina and all
> 
> Janina I don't think that is the answer at all.  First of all what mailer
> are you using Janina?  Chuck you are using sendmail correct?
> 
> in your sendmail.cf 'in slack 7.1 now in /etc/mail' previously in /etc
> make sure that
> Cwlocalhost
> #Dj
> CP.
> DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> 
> This is the real ticket.  It should work so that your sendmail gathers
> mail for you localy and delivers it to the smart host with out
> bouncing.  In theory this works.  I actually did this for six months when
> I was using dialup.  This should allow you to have a different hostname in
> your /etc/HOSTNAME file then what you actually would have when
> connected.  Janina's situation is a little funny.  Because your ISP blocks
> port 25 you have to change your smarthost 'DS' evrytime you change from
> uu.net dialup to being connected in the office.  Not fun at all!  Right at
> this moment I can't think of a way around this.  Blame the people who
> block the damn ports.  What bastards!
> 
> CO @ %
> C..
> C[[
> 
> 
> For the most par these should work for you.  There may be a few other
> things I am missing but for now this is all I can see that will make this
> work.
> 
> HTH
> Frank
> 
> 
>      Frank Carmickle
> phone:     412 761-9568
> email:     frankiec@dryrose.com
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Try sending a message to root. If that works, specifying users in class
l
> > shgould work too.
> > 
> > The more I think about this, the more I think defining a hostname--a
fully
> > qualified hostname is the real answer.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > 
> > > Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed
to
> > > work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to
my
> > > ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
> > > without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway.
When I
> > > forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail
thing
> > > with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: wait a minute

[Klarich, Terry]

You might want to look at domain masquerading.  This should do what you
want.  My home machine is red.ki5zw.ampr.org and all out-bound mail is sent
and received as ki5zw.ampr.org.  I can help with an m4 macro file if you
wish.

Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Hallenbeck [mailto:chuckh@hudson.mhonline.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 3:38 PM
To: Frank Carmickle
Cc: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: wait a minute



Frank -
I am sending to my local names okay now, and my outgoing mail is going out
too, but it contains an incorrect "from" address. If you will notice it
says "hudson.mhonline.net" and ought to say only "mhonline.net". The name
"hudson" is what I specified as my hostname when I ran netconfig, and
"mhonline.net" is what I specified as the domain name That happens to be
what my ISP uses as its domain. But adding the "hudson" creates an illegal
return address... I used to have pine create the proper outgoing address,
but if I put that back in it screws up my local deliveries. Catch 22. I
have to ask sendmail to ignore the "hudson" part of
"hudson.mhonline.net". Any idea how to do that?
Chuck


On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote:

> Hello Chuck Janina and all
> 
> Janina I don't think that is the answer at all.  First of all what mailer
> are you using Janina?  Chuck you are using sendmail correct?
> 
> in your sendmail.cf 'in slack 7.1 now in /etc/mail' previously in /etc
> make sure that
> Cwlocalhost
> #Dj
> CP.
> DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> 
> This is the real ticket.  It should work so that your sendmail gathers
> mail for you localy and delivers it to the smart host with out
> bouncing.  In theory this works.  I actually did this for six months when
> I was using dialup.  This should allow you to have a different hostname in
> your /etc/HOSTNAME file then what you actually would have when
> connected.  Janina's situation is a little funny.  Because your ISP blocks
> port 25 you have to change your smarthost 'DS' evrytime you change from
> uu.net dialup to being connected in the office.  Not fun at all!  Right at
> this moment I can't think of a way around this.  Blame the people who
> block the damn ports.  What bastards!
> 
> CO @ %
> C..
> C[[
> 
> 
> For the most par these should work for you.  There may be a few other
> things I am missing but for now this is all I can see that will make this
> work.
> 
> HTH
> Frank
> 
> 
>      Frank Carmickle
> phone:     412 761-9568
> email:     frankiec@dryrose.com
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Try sending a message to root. If that works, specifying users in class
l
> > shgould work too.
> > 
> > The more I think about this, the more I think defining a hostname--a
fully
> > qualified hostname is the real answer.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > 
> > > Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed
to
> > > work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to
my
> > > ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
> > > without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway.
When I
> > > forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail
thing
> > > with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: wait a minute

[Holmes, Steve]

In my previous message, I left out the .net part.  the MASQUERADE_AS option
should have said mhonline.net.  Sorry for the trouble.

-----Original Message-----
From: Holmes, Steve [mailto:SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:59 AM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: RE: wait a minute


I leave all the specific stuff out of pine's configuration; let pine get all
system defaults.  For sendmail, you need to add a "masquerade-as" option.
It goes like this:
MASQUERADE_AS(mhonline)
Insert this line into your sendmail.mc file and compile with m4 as usual.
This will bury the hudson part of your outgoing mail.  What I can't remember
right this minute is whether this address will also appear in all your local
mail sent on your machine.  If this is indeed the case, then the only
problem is your replies would end up going out through your ISP's mail
server to get back to you.  There may be a way to suppress this behavior on
local mail but not sure right now.

This sendmail stuff sure gets complicated.  Once I get it working the way I
want, I put the thing to bed and kind of forget about it for a very long
time:).

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Hallenbeck [mailto:chuckh@hudson.mhonline.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 2:38 PM
To: Frank Carmickle
Cc: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: wait a minute



Frank -
I am sending to my local names okay now, and my outgoing mail is going out
too, but it contains an incorrect "from" address. If you will notice it
says "hudson.mhonline.net" and ought to say only "mhonline.net". The name
"hudson" is what I specified as my hostname when I ran netconfig, and
"mhonline.net" is what I specified as the domain name That happens to be
what my ISP uses as its domain. But adding the "hudson" creates an illegal
return address... I used to have pine create the proper outgoing address,
but if I put that back in it screws up my local deliveries. Catch 22. I
have to ask sendmail to ignore the "hudson" part of
"hudson.mhonline.net". Any idea how to do that?
Chuck


On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote:

> Hello Chuck Janina and all
> 
> Janina I don't think that is the answer at all.  First of all what mailer
> are you using Janina?  Chuck you are using sendmail correct?
> 
> in your sendmail.cf 'in slack 7.1 now in /etc/mail' previously in /etc
> make sure that
> Cwlocalhost
> #Dj
> CP.
> DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> 
> This is the real ticket.  It should work so that your sendmail gathers
> mail for you localy and delivers it to the smart host with out
> bouncing.  In theory this works.  I actually did this for six months when
> I was using dialup.  This should allow you to have a different hostname in
> your /etc/HOSTNAME file then what you actually would have when
> connected.  Janina's situation is a little funny.  Because your ISP blocks
> port 25 you have to change your smarthost 'DS' evrytime you change from
> uu.net dialup to being connected in the office.  Not fun at all!  Right at
> this moment I can't think of a way around this.  Blame the people who
> block the damn ports.  What bastards!
> 
> CO @ %
> C..
> C[[
> 
> 
> For the most par these should work for you.  There may be a few other
> things I am missing but for now this is all I can see that will make this
> work.
> 
> HTH
> Frank
> 
> 
>      Frank Carmickle
> phone:     412 761-9568
> email:     frankiec@dryrose.com
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Try sending a message to root. If that works, specifying users in class
l
> > shgould work too.
> > 
> > The more I think about this, the more I think defining a hostname--a
fully
> > qualified hostname is the real answer.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > 
> > > Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed
to
> > > work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to
my
> > > ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
> > > without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway.
When I
> > > forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail
thing
> > > with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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RE: wait a minute

[Holmes, Steve]

I leave all the specific stuff out of pine's configuration; let pine get all
system defaults.  For sendmail, you need to add a "masquerade-as" option.
It goes like this:
MASQUERADE_AS(mhonline)
Insert this line into your sendmail.mc file and compile with m4 as usual.
This will bury the hudson part of your outgoing mail.  What I can't remember
right this minute is whether this address will also appear in all your local
mail sent on your machine.  If this is indeed the case, then the only
problem is your replies would end up going out through your ISP's mail
server to get back to you.  There may be a way to suppress this behavior on
local mail but not sure right now.

This sendmail stuff sure gets complicated.  Once I get it working the way I
want, I put the thing to bed and kind of forget about it for a very long
time:).

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Hallenbeck [mailto:chuckh@hudson.mhonline.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 2:38 PM
To: Frank Carmickle
Cc: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: wait a minute



Frank -
I am sending to my local names okay now, and my outgoing mail is going out
too, but it contains an incorrect "from" address. If you will notice it
says "hudson.mhonline.net" and ought to say only "mhonline.net". The name
"hudson" is what I specified as my hostname when I ran netconfig, and
"mhonline.net" is what I specified as the domain name That happens to be
what my ISP uses as its domain. But adding the "hudson" creates an illegal
return address... I used to have pine create the proper outgoing address,
but if I put that back in it screws up my local deliveries. Catch 22. I
have to ask sendmail to ignore the "hudson" part of
"hudson.mhonline.net". Any idea how to do that?
Chuck


On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote:

> Hello Chuck Janina and all
> 
> Janina I don't think that is the answer at all.  First of all what mailer
> are you using Janina?  Chuck you are using sendmail correct?
> 
> in your sendmail.cf 'in slack 7.1 now in /etc/mail' previously in /etc
> make sure that
> Cwlocalhost
> #Dj
> CP.
> DS"your-isp's-smtpserver"
> 
> This is the real ticket.  It should work so that your sendmail gathers
> mail for you localy and delivers it to the smart host with out
> bouncing.  In theory this works.  I actually did this for six months when
> I was using dialup.  This should allow you to have a different hostname in
> your /etc/HOSTNAME file then what you actually would have when
> connected.  Janina's situation is a little funny.  Because your ISP blocks
> port 25 you have to change your smarthost 'DS' evrytime you change from
> uu.net dialup to being connected in the office.  Not fun at all!  Right at
> this moment I can't think of a way around this.  Blame the people who
> block the damn ports.  What bastards!
> 
> CO @ %
> C..
> C[[
> 
> 
> For the most par these should work for you.  There may be a few other
> things I am missing but for now this is all I can see that will make this
> work.
> 
> HTH
> Frank
> 
> 
>      Frank Carmickle
> phone:     412 761-9568
> email:     frankiec@dryrose.com
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > Try sending a message to root. If that works, specifying users in class
l
> > shgould work too.
> > 
> > The more I think about this, the more I think defining a hostname--a
fully
> > qualified hostname is the real answer.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Charles Hallenbeck wrote:
> > 
> > > Ummm - not so fast. Using Pine to send local mail via sendmail seemed
to
> > > work fine at first, but in fact it only worked if I was connected to
my
> > > ISP. The mail did not go to my ISP, or if it did it came right back
> > > without fetchmail, but I had to be connected for it to work anyway.
When I
> > > forced a hangup and did not activate demand dialing, my local mail
thing
> > > with pine failed. So - back to the drawing boards.
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > > My web site is http://www.mhonline.net/~chuckh
> > > The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (69% of Full)
> > >
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