RE: Speakup-enabled kernels

RE: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Holmes, Steve]

I can speak from a slackware point of view; you can start with a speakup
enabled bootdisk from the speakup site.  I don't know what version this is
right now.  From the slackware site under the slackware-current/bootdsks.144
you can find speakup.i and speakup.s which are boot disks for IDE and SCSI
devices respectively.  You then get the standard root disk, color.gz from
slackware-current/rootdsks.

This is the upcoming version 7.2 of slackware but is not yet stabilized.
See ChangeLog.txt in the slackware-current directory for the up to the
minute news.  It looks like 7.2 could be out in the next few weeks; they are
trying to nail things down but I still see some changes getting shoe horned
in.

-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Tsaran [mailto:tsar@sylaba.poznan.pl]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:46 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Speakup-enabled kernels


But, I could find the boot disks only. Where are the regular kernels then?
Thanks,
Victor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Cc: "Speakup List" <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Speakup-enabled kernels


> Yes, Victor, we have full distributions which are fully speakup enabled.
> That means that the kernels are already patched with speakup, and the boot
> disks are already speakup enabled. All a user need do is to indicate their
> synth and it's connection point at the first (non speaking) prompt. After
> that, the install is speakup enabled, with full screen review via the
> numeric keypad.
>
> At least, this is how the Redhat distributions genned by Bill Acker work.
> Someone else will have to speak up for slackware and debian, as I have no
> experience there.
>
> PS: Pun intended.
>  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
> > Hello, listers!
> > Yes, I did use Speakup for installation purposes mostly and when the
machine was in all kinds of troubles. However, today someone mentioned that
one can download Speakup-enabled kernels. Are these boot kernels that people
talked about? Does anybody have regular kernels with Speakup already
compiled in?
> > Best,
> > Vic
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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RE: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Cheryl Homiak]

Ok, Victor, the problem is that we've really been coviering a couple of
different topics under one subject heading, and it's gotten some of us
confused.  There are speakup bootdisks if you're doing an install; if you
just want to do a kernel upgrade and are going to compile your kernel, you
can go to www.kernel.organd cd to pub/linux/ (whatever basic version: I
assume you want v2.2 or 2.4) and get the kernel you want in whatever form
you want; you'll be able to look at the list with an "ls" command.  You
might also want to get the changelog for that version. You can also
do this tby doing ftp to your distrubition's site and doing cd from
there; I go to ftp.debian.org and then do cd pub/linux/kernel, etc.
from there. After downloading the kernel, unpack
it in /usr/src after safely moving any kernel you have as /usr/src/linux
somewhere else, like /usr/src/linux-old; I seem to remember the README
that comes with the kernel sources says not to place the kernel you're
compiling in /usr/src/linux but you won't be able to add speakup if it
isn't there. When you unpack the kernel in /usr/src if
automatically creates the linux directory, but just make sure the linux
that's already there is moved before you unpack. Now that kernel
doesn't have speakup enabled in any way, shape or form so you ftp over to
ftp.braille.uwo.ca and cd to pub/linux/speakup and get README.cvs and
checkout.  Then make sure you have the cvs package installed; at least to
get this particular procedure to work, you don't have to worry about going
through the howto and having cvs plus other packages installed; just have
cvs installed.  Then read the README.cvs for instructions as to where to
put the checkout file and what to do; I think those instructions will be
understandable to you.  Don't worry if your system complains that cCVSROOT
is not set; just hit enter there and you'll be fine.  Of course, you need
to be online to do this.  Hope this clears up the confusion.  Maybe people
doing kernel upgrades and people installing distributions need to use
different subject headings to keep this confusion from mounting again.
Also, I don't see anything about using the cvs on the
www.linux-speakup.org, though I certainly could be just missing it.
Oh, speakup is added to the kernel as patches; if some hunks should fail
that doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong.

                              Cheryl

Re: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi, I have found it easier to umpack your source to a different directory
than /usr/src/linux.  Then, you make a link called /usr/src/linux which
points to the actual directory where you unpacked your source.  This
way, it is easy to have more than one version on the system. If you
want to try a different version, just change the link.

          Kenny

On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 10:02:11AM -0700, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> Ok, Victor, the problem is that we've really been coviering a couple of
> different topics under one subject heading, and it's gotten some of us
> confused.  There are speakup bootdisks if you're doing an install; if you
> just want to do a kernel upgrade and are going to compile your kernel, you
> can go to www.kernel.organd cd to pub/linux/ (whatever basic version: I
> assume you want v2.2 or 2.4) and get the kernel you want in whatever form
> you want; you'll be able to look at the list with an "ls" command.  You
> might also want to get the changelog for that version. You can also
> do this tby doing ftp to your distrubition's site and doing cd from
> there; I go to ftp.debian.org and then do cd pub/linux/kernel, etc.
> from there. After downloading the kernel, unpack
> it in /usr/src after safely moving any kernel you have as /usr/src/linux
> somewhere else, like /usr/src/linux-old; I seem to remember the README
> that comes with the kernel sources says not to place the kernel you're
> compiling in /usr/src/linux but you won't be able to add speakup if it
> isn't there. When you unpack the kernel in /usr/src if
> automatically creates the linux directory, but just make sure the linux
> that's already there is moved before you unpack. Now that kernel
> doesn't have speakup enabled in any way, shape or form so you ftp over to
> ftp.braille.uwo.ca and cd to pub/linux/speakup and get README.cvs and
> checkout.  Then make sure you have the cvs package installed; at least to
> get this particular procedure to work, you don't have to worry about going
> through the howto and having cvs plus other packages installed; just have
> cvs installed.  Then read the README.cvs for instructions as to where to
> put the checkout file and what to do; I think those instructions will be
> understandable to you.  Don't worry if your system complains that cCVSROOT
> is not set; just hit enter there and you'll be fine.  Of course, you need
> to be online to do this.  Hope this clears up the confusion.  Maybe people
> doing kernel upgrades and people installing distributions need to use
> different subject headings to keep this confusion from mounting again.
> Also, I don't see anything about using the cvs on the
> www.linux-speakup.org, though I certainly could be just missing it.
> Oh, speakup is added to the kernel as patches; if some hunks should fail
> that doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong.
> 
>                               Cheryl
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Gregory Nowak]

Last time I checked on the speakup site,
it was 2.2.16 with speakup 0.09.
Greg


On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 06:42:23AM -0700, Holmes, Steve wrote:
> I can speak from a slackware point of view; you can start with a speakup
> enabled bootdisk from the speakup site.  I don't know what version this is
> right now.  From the slackware site under the slackware-current/bootdsks.144
> you can find speakup.i and speakup.s which are boot disks for IDE and SCSI
> devices respectively.  You then get the standard root disk, color.gz from
> slackware-current/rootdsks.
> 
> This is the upcoming version 7.2 of slackware but is not yet stabilized.
> See ChangeLog.txt in the slackware-current directory for the up to the
> minute news.  It looks like 7.2 could be out in the next few weeks; they are
> trying to nail things down but I still see some changes getting shoe horned
> in.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Victor Tsaran [mailto:tsar@sylaba.poznan.pl]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:46 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Speakup-enabled kernels
> 
> 
> But, I could find the boot disks only. Where are the regular kernels then?
> Thanks,
> Victor
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Cc: "Speakup List" <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Speakup-enabled kernels
> 
> 
> > Yes, Victor, we have full distributions which are fully speakup enabled.
> > That means that the kernels are already patched with speakup, and the boot
> > disks are already speakup enabled. All a user need do is to indicate their
> > synth and it's connection point at the first (non speaking) prompt. After
> > that, the install is speakup enabled, with full screen review via the
> > numeric keypad.
> >
> > At least, this is how the Redhat distributions genned by Bill Acker work.
> > Someone else will have to speak up for slackware and debian, as I have no
> > experience there.
> >
> > PS: Pun intended.
> >  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, listers!
> > > Yes, I did use Speakup for installation purposes mostly and when the
> machine was in all kinds of troubles. However, today someone mentioned that
> one can download Speakup-enabled kernels. Are these boot kernels that people
> talked about? Does anybody have regular kernels with Speakup already
> compiled in?
> > > Best,
> > > Vic
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Holmes, Steve]

Cheryl,

Did you finally get speakup working in kernel 2.4.5?  I never heard any
resolution to your CVS problems.  Last I heard, CVS couldn't find 'speakup'
or something.  Did that all get worked out?

-----Original Message-----
From: Cheryl Homiak [mailto:chomiak@worldfront.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:02 AM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: RE: Speakup-enabled kernels


Ok, Victor, the problem is that we've really been coviering a couple of
different topics under one subject heading, and it's gotten some of us
confused.  There are speakup bootdisks if you're doing an install; if you
just want to do a kernel upgrade and are going to compile your kernel, you
can go to www.kernel.organd cd to pub/linux/ (whatever basic version: I
assume you want v2.2 or 2.4) and get the kernel you want in whatever form
you want; you'll be able to look at the list with an "ls" command.  You
might also want to get the changelog for that version. You can also
do this tby doing ftp to your distrubition's site and doing cd from
there; I go to ftp.debian.org and then do cd pub/linux/kernel, etc.
from there. After downloading the kernel, unpack
it in /usr/src after safely moving any kernel you have as /usr/src/linux
somewhere else, like /usr/src/linux-old; I seem to remember the README
that comes with the kernel sources says not to place the kernel you're
compiling in /usr/src/linux but you won't be able to add speakup if it
isn't there. When you unpack the kernel in /usr/src if
automatically creates the linux directory, but just make sure the linux
that's already there is moved before you unpack. Now that kernel
doesn't have speakup enabled in any way, shape or form so you ftp over to
ftp.braille.uwo.ca and cd to pub/linux/speakup and get README.cvs and
checkout.  Then make sure you have the cvs package installed; at least to
get this particular procedure to work, you don't have to worry about going
through the howto and having cvs plus other packages installed; just have
cvs installed.  Then read the README.cvs for instructions as to where to
put the checkout file and what to do; I think those instructions will be
understandable to you.  Don't worry if your system complains that cCVSROOT
is not set; just hit enter there and you'll be fine.  Of course, you need
to be online to do this.  Hope this clears up the confusion.  Maybe people
doing kernel upgrades and people installing distributions need to use
different subject headings to keep this confusion from mounting again.
Also, I don't see anything about using the cvs on the
www.linux-speakup.org, though I certainly could be just missing it.
Oh, speakup is added to the kernel as patches; if some hunks should fail
that doesn't necessarily mean anything is wrong.

                              Cheryl


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RE: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Cheryl Homiak]

Yes, and I did send a posting to speakup about it; it was my cvs
installation that was the problem.  I quit trying to follow the howto,
uninstalled cvs, rcs and related packages and just reinstalled cvs and
used it that way as checkout had worked for me before doing that.  And
my kernel works!!  Thanks for asking.
-- 
                              Cheryl

RE: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Holmes, Steve]

I think her problem was she downloaded a fresh 2.4.5 kernel and tried
applying a CVS patch to it and could not find the modules.  She wasn't clear
on what steps she took but this is my interpretation of her problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:24 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Speakup-enabled kernels


Aren't the messages on this list archived?

Don't believe anyone said speakup was built into the kernel as in the
kernel you get from ftp.kernel.org. Don't believe anyone said that.

What we did say is that the most common distributions in use on this list,
Redhat, Slackware, and Debian, have been tweaked, by folks on this list,
in order to include speakup. So, if you get your stuff from there, you'll
get kernels that include speakup. If you get your stuff elsewhere, you
won't (necessarily).

Now, once again, don't misunderstand. You cannot expect speakup if you
download your distribution from redhat.com, or debian.org, or slackware
dot whatever. You have to download from linux-speakup.org or
speakup.octothorp.org.

Can this be any clearer?
 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

> Ok, I'm a bit confused, and I appologize for not having followed this
> thread better but I thought I knew what to do.  I downloaded the 2.4.5
> kernel and started working on it.  I tried to use my .checkout file to
> patch from the speakup cvs but was told there was no speakup module--I
> thought this was still available so hadn't really worried about this
> discussion.  Is speakup already built into the kernels or do I have to
> have a specially-enabled kernel?  If this is in the kernel, with which
> version did this start?  Is there a list somewhere of the synth commands
> to use with
> the append statement in lilo--I do remember that part of the discussion?
> I'm just upgrading my kernel from 2.2.19, not trying to install a new
> distribution.    Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but I don't see
> anything about this on the speakup site.  I'm using debian and have just
> upgraded from potato to woody.
>
>                               Cheryl
>
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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RE: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Cheryl Homiak]

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote:

> I think her problem was she downloaded a fresh 2.4.5 kernel and tried
> applying a CVS patch to it and could not find the modules.  She wasn't clear
> on what steps she took but this is my interpretation of her problem.


Yes, this is exactly what happened.  And I then jumped to the conclusion
that maybe speakup was already built into the kernel since I hadn't really
been following this discussion.  So, instead of jumping to that
conclusion, I should have asked:  Does the cvs not work with2.4.5 and if
not, what do I need to do?


And yes, there are archives, but I had gotten confused enough that I still
didn't see the anser to my question.

                              Cheryl

RE: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Janina Sajka]

Yeh, you're right, I don't we've talked this one specifically.

Short answer is that it works, as far as I can tell. I know I did it
without errors,. My compile didn't work, but I don't that was the speakup
patch necessarily.
 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote:
>
> > I think her problem was she downloaded a fresh 2.4.5 kernel and tried
> > applying a CVS patch to it and could not find the modules.  She wasn't clear
> > on what steps she took but this is my interpretation of her problem.
>
>
> Yes, this is exactly what happened.  And I then jumped to the conclusion
> that maybe speakup was already built into the kernel since I hadn't really
> been following this discussion.  So, instead of jumping to that
> conclusion, I should have asked:  Does the cvs not work with2.4.5 and if
> not, what do I need to do?
>
>
> And yes, there are archives, but I had gotten confused enough that I still
> didn't see the anser to my question.
>
>                               Cheryl
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

RE: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Cheryl Homiak]

I've tried running ./checkout a couple of times, and I get "patching v24
cvs checkout: cannot find `speakup' ignoring.  Anybody seen this and know
why?
Yes, I moved my original linux and am using /usr/src/linux to work on the
new kernel because I know the cvs won't work unless it finds
/usr/src/linux.

                              Cheryl

RE: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Janina Sajka]

And, you're online when this happens?

Can you capture the messages as follows:

sh checkout >checkout.log 2>&1


On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

> I've tried running ./checkout a couple of times, and I get "patching v24
> cvs checkout: cannot find `speakup' ignoring.  Anybody seen this and know
> why?
> Yes, I moved my original linux and am using /usr/src/linux to work on the
> new kernel because I know the cvs won't work unless it finds
> /usr/src/linux.
>
>                               Cheryl
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

RE: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Frank Carmickle]

Cheryl

Sounds like there is something strange going on here.  I just patched a
2.4.5 tree with a checkout script from Jan. 19th.  The next thing after it
says patching v2.4 it asks for the cvsroot and then the password.  I think
there is something wrong with cvs or your networking can't see
linux-speakup.org.  Feel free to call if you can't get on the reflector.

-- 
     Frank Carmickle
phone:     412 761-9568
email:     frankiec@dryrose.com

Re: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Gregory Nowak]

You need to be connected to the net
before issuing the ./checkout command.
Are you?
Greg


On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 03:33:27PM -0700, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> I've tried running ./checkout a couple of times, and I get "patching v24
> cvs checkout: cannot find `speakup' ignoring.  Anybody seen this and know
> why?
> Yes, I moved my original linux and am using /usr/src/linux to work on the
> new kernel because I know the cvs won't work unless it finds
> /usr/src/linux.
> 
>                               Cheryl
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Cheryl Homiak]

Ok, here's the scoop on my problem--or half the scoop!
Yes, I'm connected to the Internet; first thing I checked.
It's obviously something with my setup--or lack of setup with cvs.  When I
first wanted to use ./checkout a few weeks ago, I didn't know anything
about it so just downloaded cvs with whatever configuring apt-get in
debian did.  When I used ./checkout, it worked but complained about
cvsroot not being set.  Then when I wanted to try to access
linux-speakup.org to update speak_freely, what I had done didn't work and
I dug into the cvs-howto.  Added what I was told to add to /etc/profile,
set up /home/cvsroot, but then got stuck on what was said about scripts.
Oh, I also downloaded rcs and the packages that debian chose to download
with it.  Anyway, either what I did so far was wrong, or what I haven't
done yet was critical, or both, because I don't think cvs was even trying
to go out on the net.  So what I have done as a temporary fix, until I
figure out all about cvs, is uninstall cvs, rcs, etc., take the lines out
of my /etc/profile, and run ./checkout.  I know this isn't right, but it
went back to working and only complaining about cvsroot not being set;
maybe adding that back into my /etc/profile would solve that particular
problem.
Thanks for all the suggestions.

                              Cheryl

Re: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Buddy Brannan]

Ah.

It will complain about cvsroot not being set, just press enter on
that. It'll ask you for a password, at which point you have to type
please
very politely. 
-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV    | History is made by stupid people.
Email: davros@ycardz.com | Clever people wouldn't even try.
Phone: (972) 276-6360    | If you want a place in the history books
ICQ: 36621210            | Then do something dumb before you die.

RE: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Janina Sajka]

Ah, yes. Excuse me for getting it wrong. Just trying to move too fast
today, I guess.

One possible reason, and there are certainly several possibilities, is the
directory name after extracting the tarball. It needs to be linux, or it
needs a symlink named linux. I don't recall now whether that is the
default.
 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote:

> I think her problem was she downloaded a fresh 2.4.5 kernel and tried
> applying a CVS patch to it and could not find the modules.  She wasn't clear
> on what steps she took but this is my interpretation of her problem.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:24 AM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Speakup-enabled kernels
>
>
> Aren't the messages on this list archived?
>
> Don't believe anyone said speakup was built into the kernel as in the
> kernel you get from ftp.kernel.org. Don't believe anyone said that.
>
> What we did say is that the most common distributions in use on this list,
> Redhat, Slackware, and Debian, have been tweaked, by folks on this list,
> in order to include speakup. So, if you get your stuff from there, you'll
> get kernels that include speakup. If you get your stuff elsewhere, you
> won't (necessarily).
>
> Now, once again, don't misunderstand. You cannot expect speakup if you
> download your distribution from redhat.com, or debian.org, or slackware
> dot whatever. You have to download from linux-speakup.org or
> speakup.octothorp.org.
>
> Can this be any clearer?
>  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
>
> > Ok, I'm a bit confused, and I appologize for not having followed this
> > thread better but I thought I knew what to do.  I downloaded the 2.4.5
> > kernel and started working on it.  I tried to use my .checkout file to
> > patch from the speakup cvs but was told there was no speakup module--I
> > thought this was still available so hadn't really worried about this
> > discussion.  Is speakup already built into the kernels or do I have to
> > have a specially-enabled kernel?  If this is in the kernel, with which
> > version did this start?  Is there a list somewhere of the synth commands
> > to use with
> > the append statement in lilo--I do remember that part of the discussion?
> > I'm just upgrading my kernel from 2.2.19, not trying to install a new
> > distribution.    Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but I don't see
> > anything about this on the speakup site.  I'm using debian and have just
> > upgraded from potato to woody.
> >
> >                               Cheryl
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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Speakup-enabled kernels

[Victor Tsaran]

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Hello, listers!
Yes, I did use Speakup for installation purposes mostly and when the machine was in all kinds of troubles. However, today someone mentioned that one can download Speakup-enabled kernels. Are these boot kernels that people talked about? Does anybody have regular kernels with Speakup already compiled in?
Best,
Vic


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Re: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Raul A. Gallegos]

the speakup enabled kernels are based off of bare.i and scsi.s and have
all synthesizers speakup supports compiled in.  The default synth=none so
you have to specify it when using these kernels.  You can get the config
file used to make the kernels and use it to build your own from it.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Hello, listers!
> Yes, I did use Speakup for installation purposes mostly and when the machine was in all kinds of troubles. However, today someone mentioned that one can download Speakup-enabled kernels. Are these boot kernels that people talked about? Does anybody have regular kernels with Speakup already compiled in?
> Best,
> Vic
>
>

Re: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Janina Sajka]

Yes, Victor, we have full distributions which are fully speakup enabled.
That means that the kernels are already patched with speakup, and the boot
disks are already speakup enabled. All a user need do is to indicate their
synth and it's connection point at the first (non speaking) prompt. After
that, the install is speakup enabled, with full screen review via the
numeric keypad.

At least, this is how the Redhat distributions genned by Bill Acker work.
Someone else will have to speak up for slackware and debian, as I have no
experience there.

PS: Pun intended.
 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> Hello, listers!
> Yes, I did use Speakup for installation purposes mostly and when the machine was in all kinds of troubles. However, today someone mentioned that one can download Speakup-enabled kernels. Are these boot kernels that people talked about? Does anybody have regular kernels with Speakup already compiled in?
> Best,
> Vic
>
>

Re: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Cheryl Homiak]

Ok, I'm a bit confused, and I appologize for not having followed this
thread better but I thought I knew what to do.  I downloaded the 2.4.5
kernel and started working on it.  I tried to use my .checkout file to
patch from the speakup cvs but was told there was no speakup module--I
thought this was still available so hadn't really worried about this
discussion.  Is speakup already built into the kernels or do I have to
have a specially-enabled kernel?  If this is in the kernel, with which
version did this start?  Is there a list somewhere of the synth commands
to use with
the append statement in lilo--I do remember that part of the discussion?
I'm just upgrading my kernel from 2.2.19, not trying to install a new
distribution.    Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but I don't see
anything about this on the speakup site.  I'm using debian and have just
upgraded from potato to woody.

                              Cheryl

Re: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Janina Sajka]

Aren't the messages on this list archived?

Don't believe anyone said speakup was built into the kernel as in the
kernel you get from ftp.kernel.org. Don't believe anyone said that.

What we did say is that the most common distributions in use on this list,
Redhat, Slackware, and Debian, have been tweaked, by folks on this list,
in order to include speakup. So, if you get your stuff from there, you'll
get kernels that include speakup. If you get your stuff elsewhere, you
won't (necessarily).

Now, once again, don't misunderstand. You cannot expect speakup if you
download your distribution from redhat.com, or debian.org, or slackware
dot whatever. You have to download from linux-speakup.org or
speakup.octothorp.org.

Can this be any clearer?
 On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

> Ok, I'm a bit confused, and I appologize for not having followed this
> thread better but I thought I knew what to do.  I downloaded the 2.4.5
> kernel and started working on it.  I tried to use my .checkout file to
> patch from the speakup cvs but was told there was no speakup module--I
> thought this was still available so hadn't really worried about this
> discussion.  Is speakup already built into the kernels or do I have to
> have a specially-enabled kernel?  If this is in the kernel, with which
> version did this start?  Is there a list somewhere of the synth commands
> to use with
> the append statement in lilo--I do remember that part of the discussion?
> I'm just upgrading my kernel from 2.2.19, not trying to install a new
> distribution.    Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but I don't see
> anything about this on the speakup site.  I'm using debian and have just
> upgraded from potato to woody.
>
>                               Cheryl
>
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Victor Tsaran]

But, I could find the boot disks only. Where are the regular kernels then?
Thanks,
Victor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Cc: "Speakup List" <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Speakup-enabled kernels


> Yes, Victor, we have full distributions which are fully speakup enabled.
> That means that the kernels are already patched with speakup, and the boot
> disks are already speakup enabled. All a user need do is to indicate their
> synth and it's connection point at the first (non speaking) prompt. After
> that, the install is speakup enabled, with full screen review via the
> numeric keypad.
>
> At least, this is how the Redhat distributions genned by Bill Acker work.
> Someone else will have to speak up for slackware and debian, as I have no
> experience there.
>
> PS: Pun intended.
>  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
> > Hello, listers!
> > Yes, I did use Speakup for installation purposes mostly and when the
machine was in all kinds of troubles. However, today someone mentioned that
one can download Speakup-enabled kernels. Are these boot kernels that people
talked about? Does anybody have regular kernels with Speakup already
compiled in?
> > Best,
> > Vic
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Janina Sajka]

They're in the .iso images. They're major downloads, of course, since
they're a CD ROM's worth of data. But, that's the same problem from the
Redhat site and its mirrors. Advantage and difference is that Bill Acker's
are speakup enabled.

 On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> But, I could find the boot disks only. Where are the regular kernels then?
> Thanks,
> Victor
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Cc: "Speakup List" <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 4:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Speakup-enabled kernels
>
>
> > Yes, Victor, we have full distributions which are fully speakup enabled.
> > That means that the kernels are already patched with speakup, and the boot
> > disks are already speakup enabled. All a user need do is to indicate their
> > synth and it's connection point at the first (non speaking) prompt. After
> > that, the install is speakup enabled, with full screen review via the
> > numeric keypad.
> >
> > At least, this is how the Redhat distributions genned by Bill Acker work.
> > Someone else will have to speak up for slackware and debian, as I have no
> > experience there.
> >
> > PS: Pun intended.
> >  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, listers!
> > > Yes, I did use Speakup for installation purposes mostly and when the
> machine was in all kinds of troubles. However, today someone mentioned that
> one can download Speakup-enabled kernels. Are these boot kernels that people
> talked about? Does anybody have regular kernels with Speakup already
> compiled in?
> > > Best,
> > > Vic
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: Speakup-enabled kernels

[Victor Tsaran]

Hi, Janina and Bill!
On his FTP site Bill also has directories D1 and D2 which are non-iso copy
of the Redhat distribution. I downloaded the kernel-2.4.2-2.i686.rpm hoping
that this one was also speech-enabled, but I don't think it is. Am I
wrong,Bill?
Victor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: Speakup-enabled kernels


> They're in the .iso images. They're major downloads, of course, since
> they're a CD ROM's worth of data. But, that's the same problem from the
> Redhat site and its mirrors. Advantage and difference is that Bill Acker's
> are speakup enabled.
>
>  On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
> > But, I could find the boot disks only. Where are the regular kernels
then?
> > Thanks,
> > Victor
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Cc: "Speakup List" <speakup@speech.braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 4:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: Speakup-enabled kernels
> >
> >
> > > Yes, Victor, we have full distributions which are fully speakup
enabled.
> > > That means that the kernels are already patched with speakup, and the
boot
> > > disks are already speakup enabled. All a user need do is to indicate
their
> > > synth and it's connection point at the first (non speaking) prompt.
After
> > > that, the install is speakup enabled, with full screen review via the
> > > numeric keypad.
> > >
> > > At least, this is how the Redhat distributions genned by Bill Acker
work.
> > > Someone else will have to speak up for slackware and debian, as I have
no
> > > experience there.
> > >
> > > PS: Pun intended.
> > >  On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Victor Tsaran wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello, listers!
> > > > Yes, I did use Speakup for installation purposes mostly and when the
> > machine was in all kinds of troubles. However, today someone mentioned
that
> > one can download Speakup-enabled kernels. Are these boot kernels that
people
> > talked about? Does anybody have regular kernels with Speakup already
> > compiled in?
> > > > Best,
> > > > Vic
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>