* Linux and High speed accessability
@ Michael
` Raul A. Gallegos
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0 siblings, 5 replies; 21+ messages in thread
From: Michael @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hello list:
Now that high speed internet access is available in my area, does the
provider have to support Linux and is there away around that.
I spoke to two providers and they're are not going to support Linux in the
fore seeable future.
Granted, the two people I spoke to were not and I say again, were not OS
savvyy. LOL <grin>
Best regards:
Michael
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread* Re: Linux and High speed accessability Linux and High speed accessability Michael @ ` Raul A. Gallegos ` Ann Parsons ` Janina Sajka ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Raul A. Gallegos @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup You are going to get this attitude almost anywhere you go. What people get confused is whether a service works with Linux or whether the isp supports Linux which are two completely different issues. In the case of cable/dsl access you can bet Linux will work. If you have problems connecting however the ones who say they will not support Linux mean just that. They cannot help you troubleshoot your connection if you use Linux. When I got Sprint ION installed the folks had to think I was using windows because Linux was not supported. So when the tech came to install the service I had to setup my windows machine with the ION ips and dns information and surf to their speedtest site and mark off that the service was working. Once that was done I setup my Linux box on ION and put windows back inside the internal network where it belongs. So in short. Get your highspeed isp and don't mention Linux to them. Some isps such as speakeasy openly support Linux so you just have to search around. Michael said the following on Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 02:47:15PM -0330: > > > Hello list: > > Now that high speed internet access is available in my area, does the > provider have to support Linux and is there away around that. > I spoke to two providers and they're are not going to support Linux in the > fore seeable future. > Granted, the two people I spoke to were not and I say again, were not OS > savvyy. LOL <grin> > Best regards: > > Michael > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Raul A. Gallegos mailto:raul@asmodean.net http://www.asmodean.net For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals.. Then something happened, which unleashed the power of our imagination... We learned to talk... Pink Floyd - The Division Bell ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability ` Raul A. Gallegos @ ` Ann Parsons 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi all, Yes, Cable supports Linux, but the ISP doesn't. I had a friend configure my stuff for me so that it would work in Linux, and I also went and bought a network card that I was sure worked in Linux, then, I booted into Windows when the guy came,, he connected my stuff, and left. Then, I logged into Linux and the blessed little darling came up singin'! It was so cool! Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability Linux and High speed accessability Michael ` Raul A. Gallegos @ ` Janina Sajka ` Terry Klarich ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Simple answer is no, not usually. But, why not support the DSL provider who does support linux? Why not give your business to the people who support the technology you care about? I'm speaking of the good folks at http://www.speakeasy.net. A little more expensive, it's true. But then, you got to pay a little more for a Caddilac. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability Linux and High speed accessability Michael ` Raul A. Gallegos ` Janina Sajka @ ` Terry Klarich ` Amanda Lee ` Kirk Wood ` Richard Villa 4 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Terry Klarich @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hello All: These days, I would highly suggest getting one of the personal router products on the market. They have a 10 m connection to connect to a cable modem or dsl device. On the other side, there is usually a 4 port 100m switch you can use to build a local network. There are models with 56k modems built in as well. Got mine off ebay for $25. My home network is built using one of these personal routers. Although, mine has an ISDN port for the wan connection. I just have the smtp and ssh ports opened up for external connections. This is so I can both receive mail and log into my machine via ssh remotely. I wouldn't even mention I was using linux. As long as you stay away from msn, aol ... etc you should be fine. Most ISP's support straight ppp with chap or pap. This is all you need. I would, however, try and get a static IP though Terry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Terry Klarich (KI5ZW) A man is not complete until he is married; then, he is finished. On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:47:15 -0330you write: > > >Hello list: > >Now that high speed internet access is available in my area, does the >provider have to support Linux and is there away around that. >I spoke to two providers and they're are not going to support Linux in the >fore seeable future. >Granted, the two people I spoke to were not and I say again, were not OS >savvyy. LOL <grin> >Best regards: > >Michael > > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability ` Terry Klarich @ ` Amanda Lee ` Terry Klarich ` Kirk Wood 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup That's great as long as you don't need to route cable from floor to floor as I would in the three-story townhouse I own and live in! Looks like for me that outside of the initial connection, that I'll have to go wireless and that stops me almost in my tracks! it's expensive and I'm not convinced that I'll get very good speed throughout. I also am concerned about how to get it all talking to each of the boxes. I did find an interesting device which hooks into the USB port and then will talk via think it's a 2.4Ghz signal or perhaps 900MHZ/forget which and would have to look it up in the specs. Does seem simple to put together though. Still, it costs nearly $100 per PC to do this. We don'thave access to drop cable between floors through the walls. So only alternative with wired lan is to pull up carpets and string that junk everywhere or drill holes in the floor which I'm not keen on doing. If any of you have used wireless methods and have found a solution which are reliable and won't break the bank! please let me know. Thanks! - Amanda Lee On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Terry Klarich wrote: > Hello All: > These days, I would highly suggest getting one of the personal router products on the market. They have a 10 m connection to > connect to a cable modem or dsl device. On the other side, there is usually a 4 port 100m switch you can use to build a local > network. There are models with 56k modems built in as well. Got mine off ebay for $25. > > My home network is built using one of these personal routers. Although, mine has an ISDN port for the wan connection. I just have > the smtp and ssh ports opened up for external connections. This is so I can both receive mail and log into my machine via ssh > remotely. > > I wouldn't even mention I was using linux. As long as you stay away from msn, aol ... etc you should be fine. Most ISP's support > straight ppp with chap or pap. This is all you need. I would, however, try and get a static IP though > > Terry > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Terry Klarich (KI5ZW) > A man is not complete until he is married; then, he is finished. > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:47:15 -0330you write: > > > > > >Hello list: > > > >Now that high speed internet access is available in my area, does the > >provider have to support Linux and is there away around that. > >I spoke to two providers and they're are not going to support Linux in the > >fore seeable future. > >Granted, the two people I spoke to were not and I say again, were not OS > >savvyy. LOL <grin> > >Best regards: > > > >Michael > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability ` Amanda Lee @ ` Terry Klarich ` Kirk Wood ` Kirk Wood 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Terry Klarich @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup At this time, I wouldn't consider wireless. There is big problems with security. I did hear of a product which used the home wiring though. Can't remember how or where though. Maybe a search on google is in order. Terry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Terry Klarich (KI5ZW) A man is not complete until he is married; then, he is finished. On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:42:31 -0500 (EST)you write: >That's great as long as you don't need to route cable from floor to floor >as I would in the three-story townhouse I own and live in! Looks like for >me that outside of the initial connection, that I'll have to go wireless >and that stops me almost in my tracks! it's expensive and I'm not >convinced that I'll get very good speed throughout. I also am concerned >about how to get it all talking to each of the boxes. I did find an >interesting device which hooks into the USB port and then will talk via >think it's a 2.4Ghz signal or perhaps 900MHZ/forget which and would have >to look it up in the specs. Does seem simple to put together though. >Still, it costs >nearly $100 per PC to do this. We don'thave access to drop cable between >floors through the walls. So only alternative with wired lan is to pull >up carpets and string that junk everywhere or drill holes in the floor >which I'm not keen on doing. > >If any of you have used wireless methods and have found a solution which >are reliable and won't break the bank! please let me know. > >Thanks! - Amanda Lee > > >On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Terry Klarich wrote: > >> Hello All: >> These days, I would highly suggest getting one of the personal router produc >ts on the market. They have a 10 m connection to >> connect to a cable modem or dsl device. On the other side, there is usuall >y a 4 port 100m switch you can use to build a local >> network. There are models with 56k modems built in as well. Got mine off e >bay for $25. >> >> My home network is built using one of these personal routers. Although, min >e has an ISDN port for the wan connection. I just have >> the smtp and ssh ports opened up for external connections. This is so I can > both receive mail and log into my machine via ssh >> remotely. >> >> I wouldn't even mention I was using linux. As long as you stay away from ms >n, aol ... etc you should be fine. Most ISP's support >> straight ppp with chap or pap. This is all you need. I would, however, try > and get a static IP though >> >> Terry >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >> Terry Klarich (KI5ZW) >> A man is not complete until he is married; then, he is finished. >> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:47:15 -0330you write: >> > >> > >> >Hello list: >> > >> >Now that high speed internet access is available in my area, does the >> >provider have to support Linux and is there away around that. >> >I spoke to two providers and they're are not going to support Linux in the >> >fore seeable future. >> >Granted, the two people I spoke to were not and I say again, were not OS >> >savvyy. LOL <grin> >> >Best regards: >> > >> >Michael >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Speakup mailing list >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability ` Terry Klarich @ ` Kirk Wood ` Amanda Lee ` Terry Klarich 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Terry Klarich wrote: > At this time, I wouldn't consider wireless. There is big problems with > security. I did hear of a product which used the home wiring though. Can't > remember how or where though. Maybe a search on google is in order. OK, can't resist this one. You are connecting a computer to a network with zero security. You are recieving email that has been god only knows where and could easily be seen by anyone and their brother. Now you are a bit concerned because there is a theretical weakness in security????? Hello?? Before deciding this kind of thing you should become informed. Guess what?? There are security risks in your OS? But to shed some knowledge here: the problem with wireless security is that when you use 128 bit encryption you are "only" getting the equivilant of 40 to 56 bit encryption. The reason is that the security key must be entered as ascii characters and as such, not all bits are available for use. But hello?? If you have someone hacking into your communications with 40 bit encryption then they also probably have tapped into your network and can see all that nice unencrypted data anyway. It took 10,000 computers working around the clock over 24 hours to crack 40 bit encryption. There are much easier ways to snoop on me. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." - President George Bush ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability ` Kirk Wood @ ` Amanda Lee ` hardware sources Kirk Wood ` (2 more replies) ` Terry Klarich 1 sibling, 3 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Yup, if they've gotten through the firewall, then you have more problems to worry about than security between the computers within your home or whereever the lan is. Haven't seen a house wiring system that provides good throughput yet. I did a bunch of searching and this other technology for wireless seems to be best solution for me. I just hoped some other devices were availabel for less. I don't want to go too far off topic but I have the info in a folder somewhere and will at least relate the name of this device. Pretty certain Best Buy offers it. There is another attempt to connect via the parallel poert but that got some bad rap on a message board I was reading and it's obviously as slow as mollases. To answer going the water pipes route, could be an option here but the atic isn't very accessible and don't really think the water pipes go up that far. In many cases, the walls are sealed off between floors so, as I said, it's easier said than done. o'well... Amanda On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Terry Klarich wrote: > > At this time, I wouldn't consider wireless. There is big problems with > > security. I did hear of a product which used the home wiring though. Can't > > remember how or where though. Maybe a search on google is in order. > > OK, can't resist this one. You are connecting a computer to a network with > zero security. You are recieving email that has been god only knows where > and could easily be seen by anyone and their brother. Now you are a bit > concerned because there is a theretical weakness in security????? > > Hello?? Before deciding this kind of thing you should become > informed. Guess what?? There are security risks in your OS? But to shed > some knowledge here: the problem with wireless security is that when you > use 128 bit encryption you are "only" getting the equivilant of 40 to 56 > bit encryption. The reason is that the security key must be entered as > ascii characters and as such, not all bits are available for use. > > But hello?? If you have someone hacking into your communications with 40 > bit encryption then they also probably have tapped into your network and > can see all that nice unencrypted data anyway. It took 10,000 computers > working around the clock over 24 hours to crack 40 bit encryption. There > are much easier ways to snoop on me. > > ======= > Kirk Wood > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." > - President George Bush > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* hardware sources ` Amanda Lee @ ` Kirk Wood ` Amanda Lee ` Linux and High speed accessability Frank Carmickle ` Janina Sajka 2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I would generally recomend that a person avoid buying anything at Best Buy. To start, they only carry stuff intended for the home market. Very often it means they cut every corner they can and put all emphasis on the numbers that don't mean as much. Not to mention that the support is worse then none. I would recomend consideration of CDW (www.cdw.com). They hire people who have some knowledge. They have a tech support team that has been able to give inteligent answers to my questions (as a field technician). While it may not be as fast as Best Buy, at least you can et something intended for knowledgeable people. My experiance has been predictable. The subtle improvement in quality is a huge factor in reliability and robustness. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." - President George Bush ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: hardware sources ` hardware sources Kirk Wood @ ` Amanda Lee 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Well actually Best Buy does carry many quality products and if I'm okay with handling my own tech support, I'd rather save my bucks. I actually found this one wireless device at other places and it was more expensive and seriously doubt that I'd receive any better support. I can usually read the manual and follow instructions fairly well and rarely, ifever, need handholding. Bessides, I usually go to the manufacturers tech support when I need more specific help and that usually is the best way. I believe this device is made by Intel. I've mis-placed my info but it looks pretty intriguing nonetheless. I've bought high-end household appliances and other items from Best Buy and sure do like their frequent Zero percent terms for periods of time. Anyway, getting further off track here. I like self-service whenever it will suit my needs and it frequently does. Amanda Lee On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Kirk Wood wrote: > I would generally recomend that a person avoid buying anything at Best > Buy. To start, they only carry stuff intended for the home market. Very > often it means they cut every corner they can and put all emphasis on the > numbers that don't mean as much. Not to mention that the support is worse > then none. > > I would recomend consideration of CDW (www.cdw.com). They hire people who > have some knowledge. They have a tech support team that has been able to > give inteligent answers to my questions (as a field technician). While it > may not be as fast as Best Buy, at least you can et something intended for > knowledgeable people. My experiance has been predictable. The subtle > improvement in quality is a huge factor in reliability and robustness. > > ======= > Kirk Wood > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." > - President George Bush > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability ` Amanda Lee ` hardware sources Kirk Wood @ ` Frank Carmickle ` Kirk Wood ` Amanda Lee ` Janina Sajka 2 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Frank Carmickle @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Amanda I am waiting for 802.11a to happen. There are 2 different 802.11a standards right now. One runs at 54mbps and the other at 82 I think. The most you can get out of each of these technology's in actuality is 23 or 34 mbps. This seems like it is worth waiting for if you can hold off. For now you could use the home pny which will only give you 1mbps. But it works on your phone line. I don't really understand how it works. If you have forced air heat you could run some cat5 through the ducts. On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Amanda Lee wrote: > Yup, if they've gotten through the firewall, then you have more problems > to worry about than security between the computers within your home or > whereever the lan is. > > Haven't seen a house wiring system that provides good throughput yet. I > did a bunch of searching and this other technology for wireless seems to > be best solution for me. I just hoped some other devices were availabel > for less. I don't want to go too far off topic but I have the info in a > folder somewhere and will at least relate the name of this device. Pretty > certain Best Buy offers it. -- Frank Carmickle phone: 412 761-9568 email: frankiec@dryrose.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability ` Linux and High speed accessability Frank Carmickle @ ` Kirk Wood ` Amanda Lee 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote: > If you have forced air heat you could run some cat5 through the ducts. If you choose to do this be sure to get "plenum" cable. IT is more expensive but hopefully your life is worth it. Normal cable will emit deadly fumes when it melts or burns. Plenum cable is designed to not emit such toxic fumes. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." - President George Bush ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability ` Linux and High speed accessability Frank Carmickle ` Kirk Wood @ ` Amanda Lee ` Kirk Wood 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Yup, I've read about this standard as well but we want our tunes and programming from broadband in the livingroom, access to shared dsl or hopefully not cable but cang get dsl access, and other things. I think I read the phoneline devices don't work very well at all and think they operate very inconsistently. This Intel device seemed to be rated at about 2.5M and thought this to be respectible albeit I know we wouldn't see that rate consistently due to other factors. Could probably live with that. Amanda ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability ` Amanda Lee @ ` Kirk Wood 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup In all the discussion about the speed of networking option, has anyone considered the speed of the connection? If your primary thing is internet access, then getting 100mbit connections won't help much. DSL tops out about 1.5 and cable arround 2. And yes, cable is faster then DSL on a consistant basis. I have compared real world speeds with a number of friends using dsl and cable. The cable consistantly gives a slight edge. Neither is a clear leader. And the "security" of dsl is just pure horse sh__. There is no such thing as a secure internet connection. And do you really give a damn if the neighbor somehow detects that you went to the smut site? Give me a break. My cable modem filters out all TCP traffic bound for mac addresses that aren't accessing it. I think this is pretty standard. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." - President George Bush ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability ` Amanda Lee ` hardware sources Kirk Wood ` Linux and High speed accessability Frank Carmickle @ ` Janina Sajka ` Amanda Lee 2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Hi, Amanda: If it were me, I'd go with wiring provided the property was mine and not a rental. That would be the deciding factor for me. Wiring is only a hassle. Once done, it's a blessing. I'd simply plan on spending the money to have a competent professional do it. PS: I'm not sure I'd think of the design from the attic down--too hot up there. You may want to do the actual wiring that way, but the design should, imho, center on the basement because it's cool there and you can get at the things you need to get to more easily. Then, bring the cable or DSL into the basement and into a router/wireless device. Eventually, you might even put a server down there. Just my 2 cents American. PS: Once upon a time telephones were rare. It was radical, back in the 1950s, to have more than one phone per house. The same goes for electrical plugs. Guess what, high speed wiring to each room, and probably to multiple jacks in each room will be common in a few decades. If you join the move now, you get to be a pioneer today and an expert in a few years. On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Amanda Lee wrote: > Yup, if they've gotten through the firewall, then you have more problems > to worry about than security between the computers within your home or > whereever the lan is. > > Haven't seen a house wiring system that provides good throughput yet. I > did a bunch of searching and this other technology for wireless seems to > be best solution for me. I just hoped some other devices were availabel > for less. I don't want to go too far off topic but I have the info in a > folder somewhere and will at least relate the name of this device. Pretty > certain Best Buy offers it. > > There is another attempt to connect via the parallel poert but that got > some bad rap on a message board I was reading and it's obviously as slow > as mollases. > To answer going the water pipes route, > could be an option here but the atic isn't very accessible and don't > really think the water pipes go up > that far. In many cases, the walls are sealed off between floors so, as I > said, it's easier said than done. o'well... > > Amanda > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Kirk > Wood wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Terry Klarich wrote: > > > At this time, I wouldn't consider wireless. There is big problems with > > > security. I did hear of a product which used the home wiring though. Can't > > > remember how or where though. Maybe a search on google is in order. > > > > OK, can't resist this one. You are connecting a computer to a network with > > zero security. You are recieving email that has been god only knows where > > and could easily be seen by anyone and their brother. Now you are a bit > > concerned because there is a theretical weakness in security????? > > > > Hello?? Before deciding this kind of thing you should become > > informed. Guess what?? There are security risks in your OS? But to shed > > some knowledge here: the problem with wireless security is that when you > > use 128 bit encryption you are "only" getting the equivilant of 40 to 56 > > bit encryption. The reason is that the security key must be entered as > > ascii characters and as such, not all bits are available for use. > > > > But hello?? If you have someone hacking into your communications with 40 > > bit encryption then they also probably have tapped into your network and > > can see all that nice unencrypted data anyway. It took 10,000 computers > > working around the clock over 24 hours to crack 40 bit encryption. There > > are much easier ways to snoop on me. > > > > ======= > > Kirk Wood > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net > > > > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at > > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." > > - President George Bush > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper, Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp Learn how to make accessible software at http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability ` Janina Sajka @ ` Amanda Lee 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Well, as I've said, it's easier said than done. Although do own the place, I'm not looking to remain there or in the DC area for more than abot 2 to 5 years max and could be more or less! when the place was bought 8 years ago, it was a real challenge getting cable to all three floors and theere weren't even telephone jacks in all rooms and what we had to do to get this done was a true justification as to why the prior two owners didn't bother! At the rate I'm going, may be moving out before I get to lan access ha! Thanks for all suggestions. Amanda ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability ` Kirk Wood ` Amanda Lee @ ` Terry Klarich 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Terry Klarich @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:07:21 -0600 (CST)you write: >On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Terry Klarich wrote: >> At this time, I wouldn't consider wireless. There is big problems with >> security. I did hear of a product which used the home wiring though. Can't >> remember how or where though. Maybe a search on google is in order. > >OK, can't resist this one. You are connecting a computer to a network with >zero security. You are recieving email that has been god only knows where >and could easily be seen by anyone and their brother. Now you are a bit >concerned because there is a theretical weakness in security????? You miss the point. I couldn't care any less if someone listens to my internet conversations. In fact, you should always assume someone is listening. That is why I use pgp and ssh when necessary. My concerns are with others using my network without my permission or knowledge. Terry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Terry Klarich (KI5ZW) A man is not complete until he is married; then, he is finished. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability ` Amanda Lee ` Terry Klarich @ ` Kirk Wood 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup First, there is no reason to think you can't do wireless with Linux. Though I haven't looked, I would find it hard to believe there are no Linux drivers for any of the 802.11 cards on the market. There are many products out there including Linksys (who have linux drivers for most of their cards). Your hub need not be the same manufacturer. Cost would be arround $150 for the access point and $100 per machine. This doesn't mean you couldn't have several computers grouped togethre near each other. There are four in my house all in the same room sharing internet connection. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." - President George Bush ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability Linux and High speed accessability Michael ` (2 preceding siblings ...) ` Terry Klarich @ ` Kirk Wood ` Richard Villa 4 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Basically, no they don't have to provide anything for anybody. They can not be made to support anything. They could choose to only support DOS. Recognizing that they are not going to support Linux (nor will anyone really), there is an intelligent means to the end. Learn to ask OS neutral questions. Ask if you can use (not will they support) a firewall device. Ask if they give a static IP. If not, do they use PPOE? You need to learn more then some of the people who work there about the situation. Sorry, Linux is one of those DYI projects. Nobody is going to make it easy for you. It is not an OS for morons. It is a solution that is more idiot resistant and can protect your system from morons. ======= Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive." - President George Bush ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* Re: Linux and High speed accessability Linux and High speed accessability Michael ` (3 preceding siblings ...) ` Kirk Wood @ ` Richard Villa 4 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Richard Villa @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael; +Cc: speakup As long as your system supports the protocol that is rquired by your ISP, you should not have any trouble hooking up to the high-speed line. I tend to like using a router, because it handles all of the communication with ISP. Richard On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Michael wrote: > > > Hello list: > > Now that high speed internet access is available in my area, does the > provider have to support Linux and is there away around that. > I spoke to two providers and they're are not going to support Linux in the > fore seeable future. > Granted, the two people I spoke to were not and I say again, were not OS > savvyy. LOL <grin> > Best regards: > > Michael > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
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