* Linux and High speed accessability
@ Michael
` Raul A. Gallegos
` (4 more replies)
0 siblings, 5 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Michael @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hello list:
Now that high speed internet access is available in my area, does the
provider have to support Linux and is there away around that.
I spoke to two providers and they're are not going to support Linux in the
fore seeable future.
Granted, the two people I spoke to were not and I say again, were not OS
savvyy. LOL <grin>
Best regards:
Michael
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Linux and High speed accessability Michael
@ ` Raul A. Gallegos
` Ann Parsons
` Janina Sajka
` (3 subsequent siblings)
4 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Raul A. Gallegos @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
You are going to get this attitude almost anywhere you go. What
people get confused is whether a service works with Linux or
whether the isp supports Linux which are two completely different
issues. In the case of cable/dsl access you can bet Linux will
work. If you have problems connecting however the ones who say
they will not support Linux mean just that. They cannot help you
troubleshoot your connection if you use Linux. When I got Sprint
ION installed the folks had to think I was using windows because
Linux was not supported. So when the tech came to install the
service I had to setup my windows machine with the ION ips and
dns information and surf to their speedtest site and mark off
that the service was working. Once that was done I setup my
Linux box on ION and put windows back inside the internal network
where it belongs.
So in short. Get your highspeed isp and don't mention Linux to
them. Some isps such as speakeasy openly support Linux so you
just have to search around.
Michael said the following on Tue, Nov 13,
2001 at 02:47:15PM -0330:
>
>
> Hello list:
>
> Now that high speed internet access is available in my area, does the
> provider have to support Linux and is there away around that.
> I spoke to two providers and they're are not going to support Linux in the
> fore seeable future.
> Granted, the two people I spoke to were not and I say again, were not OS
> savvyy. LOL <grin>
> Best regards:
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
--
Raul A. Gallegos mailto:raul@asmodean.net http://www.asmodean.net
For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals.. Then
something happened, which unleashed the power of our imagination...
We learned to talk... Pink Floyd - The Division Bell
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` Raul A. Gallegos
@ ` Ann Parsons
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Ann Parsons @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi all,
Yes, Cable supports Linux, but the ISP doesn't. I had a friend
configure my stuff for me so that it would work in Linux, and I also
went and bought a network card that I was sure worked in Linux, then,
I booted into Windows when the guy came,, he connected my stuff, and
left. Then, I logged into Linux and the blessed little darling came
up singin'! It was so cool!
Ann P.
--
Ann K. Parsons
email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854
WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp
"All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT
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Linux and High speed accessability Michael
` Raul A. Gallegos
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Terry Klarich
` (2 subsequent siblings)
4 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Simple answer is no, not usually. But, why not support the DSL provider
who does support linux? Why not give your business to the people who
support the technology you care about?
I'm speaking of the good folks at http://www.speakeasy.net. A little more
expensive, it's true. But then, you got to pay a little more for a
Caddilac.
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Linux and High speed accessability Michael
` Raul A. Gallegos
` Janina Sajka
@ ` Terry Klarich
` Amanda Lee
` Kirk Wood
` Richard Villa
4 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Terry Klarich @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hello All:
These days, I would highly suggest getting one of the personal router products on the market. They have a 10 m connection to
connect to a cable modem or dsl device. On the other side, there is usually a 4 port 100m switch you can use to build a local
network. There are models with 56k modems built in as well. Got mine off ebay for $25.
My home network is built using one of these personal routers. Although, mine has an ISDN port for the wan connection. I just have
the smtp and ssh ports opened up for external connections. This is so I can both receive mail and log into my machine via ssh
remotely.
I wouldn't even mention I was using linux. As long as you stay away from msn, aol ... etc you should be fine. Most ISP's support
straight ppp with chap or pap. This is all you need. I would, however, try and get a static IP though
Terry
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Terry Klarich (KI5ZW)
A man is not complete until he is married; then, he is finished.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:47:15 -0330you write:
>
>
>Hello list:
>
>Now that high speed internet access is available in my area, does the
>provider have to support Linux and is there away around that.
>I spoke to two providers and they're are not going to support Linux in the
>fore seeable future.
>Granted, the two people I spoke to were not and I say again, were not OS
>savvyy. LOL <grin>
>Best regards:
>
>Michael
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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` Terry Klarich
@ ` Amanda Lee
` Terry Klarich
` Kirk Wood
0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
That's great as long as you don't need to route cable from floor to floor
as I would in the three-story townhouse I own and live in! Looks like for
me that outside of the initial connection, that I'll have to go wireless
and that stops me almost in my tracks! it's expensive and I'm not
convinced that I'll get very good speed throughout. I also am concerned
about how to get it all talking to each of the boxes. I did find an
interesting device which hooks into the USB port and then will talk via
think it's a 2.4Ghz signal or perhaps 900MHZ/forget which and would have
to look it up in the specs. Does seem simple to put together though.
Still, it costs
nearly $100 per PC to do this. We don'thave access to drop cable between
floors through the walls. So only alternative with wired lan is to pull
up carpets and string that junk everywhere or drill holes in the floor
which I'm not keen on doing.
If any of you have used wireless methods and have found a solution which
are reliable and won't break the bank! please let me know.
Thanks! - Amanda Lee
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Terry Klarich wrote:
> Hello All:
> These days, I would highly suggest getting one of the personal router products on the market. They have a 10 m connection to
> connect to a cable modem or dsl device. On the other side, there is usually a 4 port 100m switch you can use to build a local
> network. There are models with 56k modems built in as well. Got mine off ebay for $25.
>
> My home network is built using one of these personal routers. Although, mine has an ISDN port for the wan connection. I just have
> the smtp and ssh ports opened up for external connections. This is so I can both receive mail and log into my machine via ssh
> remotely.
>
> I wouldn't even mention I was using linux. As long as you stay away from msn, aol ... etc you should be fine. Most ISP's support
> straight ppp with chap or pap. This is all you need. I would, however, try and get a static IP though
>
> Terry
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Terry Klarich (KI5ZW)
> A man is not complete until he is married; then, he is finished.
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:47:15 -0330you write:
> >
> >
> >Hello list:
> >
> >Now that high speed internet access is available in my area, does the
> >provider have to support Linux and is there away around that.
> >I spoke to two providers and they're are not going to support Linux in the
> >fore seeable future.
> >Granted, the two people I spoke to were not and I say again, were not OS
> >savvyy. LOL <grin>
> >Best regards:
> >
> >Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
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` Amanda Lee
@ ` Terry Klarich
` Kirk Wood
` Kirk Wood
1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Terry Klarich @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
At this time, I wouldn't consider wireless. There is big problems with
security. I did hear of a product which used the home wiring though. Can't
remember how or where though. Maybe a search on google is in order.
Terry
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Terry Klarich (KI5ZW)
A man is not complete until he is married; then, he is finished.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:42:31 -0500 (EST)you write:
>That's great as long as you don't need to route cable from floor to floor
>as I would in the three-story townhouse I own and live in! Looks like for
>me that outside of the initial connection, that I'll have to go wireless
>and that stops me almost in my tracks! it's expensive and I'm not
>convinced that I'll get very good speed throughout. I also am concerned
>about how to get it all talking to each of the boxes. I did find an
>interesting device which hooks into the USB port and then will talk via
>think it's a 2.4Ghz signal or perhaps 900MHZ/forget which and would have
>to look it up in the specs. Does seem simple to put together though.
>Still, it costs
>nearly $100 per PC to do this. We don'thave access to drop cable between
>floors through the walls. So only alternative with wired lan is to pull
>up carpets and string that junk everywhere or drill holes in the floor
>which I'm not keen on doing.
>
>If any of you have used wireless methods and have found a solution which
>are reliable and won't break the bank! please let me know.
>
>Thanks! - Amanda Lee
>
>
>On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Terry Klarich wrote:
>
>> Hello All:
>> These days, I would highly suggest getting one of the personal router produc
>ts on the market. They have a 10 m connection to
>> connect to a cable modem or dsl device. On the other side, there is usuall
>y a 4 port 100m switch you can use to build a local
>> network. There are models with 56k modems built in as well. Got mine off e
>bay for $25.
>>
>> My home network is built using one of these personal routers. Although, min
>e has an ISDN port for the wan connection. I just have
>> the smtp and ssh ports opened up for external connections. This is so I can
> both receive mail and log into my machine via ssh
>> remotely.
>>
>> I wouldn't even mention I was using linux. As long as you stay away from ms
>n, aol ... etc you should be fine. Most ISP's support
>> straight ppp with chap or pap. This is all you need. I would, however, try
> and get a static IP though
>>
>> Terry
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----
>> Terry Klarich (KI5ZW)
>> A man is not complete until he is married; then, he is finished.
>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:47:15 -0330you write:
>> >
>> >
>> >Hello list:
>> >
>> >Now that high speed internet access is available in my area, does the
>> >provider have to support Linux and is there away around that.
>> >I spoke to two providers and they're are not going to support Linux in the
>> >fore seeable future.
>> >Granted, the two people I spoke to were not and I say again, were not OS
>> >savvyy. LOL <grin>
>> >Best regards:
>> >
>> >Michael
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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` Terry Klarich
@ ` Kirk Wood
` Amanda Lee
` Terry Klarich
0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Terry Klarich wrote:
> At this time, I wouldn't consider wireless. There is big problems with
> security. I did hear of a product which used the home wiring though. Can't
> remember how or where though. Maybe a search on google is in order.
OK, can't resist this one. You are connecting a computer to a network with
zero security. You are recieving email that has been god only knows where
and could easily be seen by anyone and their brother. Now you are a bit
concerned because there is a theretical weakness in security?????
Hello?? Before deciding this kind of thing you should become
informed. Guess what?? There are security risks in your OS? But to shed
some knowledge here: the problem with wireless security is that when you
use 128 bit encryption you are "only" getting the equivilant of 40 to 56
bit encryption. The reason is that the security key must be entered as
ascii characters and as such, not all bits are available for use.
But hello?? If you have someone hacking into your communications with 40
bit encryption then they also probably have tapped into your network and
can see all that nice unencrypted data anyway. It took 10,000 computers
working around the clock over 24 hours to crack 40 bit encryption. There
are much easier ways to snoop on me.
=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
- President George Bush
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` Kirk Wood
@ ` Amanda Lee
` hardware sources Kirk Wood
` (2 more replies)
` Terry Klarich
1 sibling, 3 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Yup, if they've gotten through the firewall, then you have more problems
to worry about than security between the computers within your home or
whereever the lan is.
Haven't seen a house wiring system that provides good throughput yet. I
did a bunch of searching and this other technology for wireless seems to
be best solution for me. I just hoped some other devices were availabel
for less. I don't want to go too far off topic but I have the info in a
folder somewhere and will at least relate the name of this device. Pretty
certain Best Buy offers it.
There is another attempt to connect via the parallel poert but that got
some bad rap on a message board I was reading and it's obviously as slow
as mollases.
To answer going the water pipes route,
could be an option here but the atic isn't very accessible and don't
really think the water pipes go up
that far. In many cases, the walls are sealed off between floors so, as I
said, it's easier said than done. o'well...
Amanda
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Kirk
Wood wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Terry Klarich wrote:
> > At this time, I wouldn't consider wireless. There is big problems with
> > security. I did hear of a product which used the home wiring though. Can't
> > remember how or where though. Maybe a search on google is in order.
>
> OK, can't resist this one. You are connecting a computer to a network with
> zero security. You are recieving email that has been god only knows where
> and could easily be seen by anyone and their brother. Now you are a bit
> concerned because there is a theretical weakness in security?????
>
> Hello?? Before deciding this kind of thing you should become
> informed. Guess what?? There are security risks in your OS? But to shed
> some knowledge here: the problem with wireless security is that when you
> use 128 bit encryption you are "only" getting the equivilant of 40 to 56
> bit encryption. The reason is that the security key must be entered as
> ascii characters and as such, not all bits are available for use.
>
> But hello?? If you have someone hacking into your communications with 40
> bit encryption then they also probably have tapped into your network and
> can see all that nice unencrypted data anyway. It took 10,000 computers
> working around the clock over 24 hours to crack 40 bit encryption. There
> are much easier ways to snoop on me.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> - President George Bush
>
>
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` Amanda Lee
@ ` Kirk Wood
` Amanda Lee
` Linux and High speed accessability Frank Carmickle
` Janina Sajka
2 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
I would generally recomend that a person avoid buying anything at Best
Buy. To start, they only carry stuff intended for the home market. Very
often it means they cut every corner they can and put all emphasis on the
numbers that don't mean as much. Not to mention that the support is worse
then none.
I would recomend consideration of CDW (www.cdw.com). They hire people who
have some knowledge. They have a tech support team that has been able to
give inteligent answers to my questions (as a field technician). While it
may not be as fast as Best Buy, at least you can et something intended for
knowledgeable people. My experiance has been predictable. The subtle
improvement in quality is a huge factor in reliability and robustness.
=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
- President George Bush
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` hardware sources Kirk Wood
@ ` Amanda Lee
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Well actually Best Buy does carry many quality products and if I'm okay
with handling my own tech support, I'd rather save my bucks. I actually
found this one wireless device at other places and it was more expensive
and seriously doubt that I'd receive any better support. I can usually
read the manual and follow instructions fairly well and rarely, ifever,
need handholding. Bessides, I usually go to the manufacturers tech
support when I need more specific help and that usually is the best way.
I believe this device is made by Intel. I've mis-placed my info but it
looks pretty intriguing nonetheless.
I've bought high-end household appliances and other items from Best Buy
and sure do like their frequent Zero percent terms for periods of time.
Anyway, getting further off track here. I like self-service whenever it
will suit my needs and it frequently does.
Amanda Lee
On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
> I would generally recomend that a person avoid buying anything at Best
> Buy. To start, they only carry stuff intended for the home market. Very
> often it means they cut every corner they can and put all emphasis on the
> numbers that don't mean as much. Not to mention that the support is worse
> then none.
>
> I would recomend consideration of CDW (www.cdw.com). They hire people who
> have some knowledge. They have a tech support team that has been able to
> give inteligent answers to my questions (as a field technician). While it
> may not be as fast as Best Buy, at least you can et something intended for
> knowledgeable people. My experiance has been predictable. The subtle
> improvement in quality is a huge factor in reliability and robustness.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> - President George Bush
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
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` Amanda Lee
` hardware sources Kirk Wood
@ ` Frank Carmickle
` Kirk Wood
` Amanda Lee
` Janina Sajka
2 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Frank Carmickle @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Amanda
I am waiting for 802.11a to happen. There are 2 different 802.11a
standards right now. One runs at 54mbps and the other at 82 I think.
The most you can get out of each of these technology's in actuality is 23
or 34 mbps. This seems like it is worth waiting for if you can hold off.
For now you could use the home pny which will only give you 1mbps. But it
works on your phone line. I don't really understand how it works.
If you have forced air heat you could run some cat5 through the ducts.
On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Amanda Lee wrote:
> Yup, if they've gotten through the firewall, then you have more problems
> to worry about than security between the computers within your home or
> whereever the lan is.
>
> Haven't seen a house wiring system that provides good throughput yet. I
> did a bunch of searching and this other technology for wireless seems to
> be best solution for me. I just hoped some other devices were availabel
> for less. I don't want to go too far off topic but I have the info in a
> folder somewhere and will at least relate the name of this device. Pretty
> certain Best Buy offers it.
--
Frank Carmickle
phone: 412 761-9568
email: frankiec@dryrose.com
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` Linux and High speed accessability Frank Carmickle
@ ` Kirk Wood
` Amanda Lee
1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Frank Carmickle wrote:
> If you have forced air heat you could run some cat5 through the ducts.
If you choose to do this be sure to get "plenum" cable. IT is more
expensive but hopefully your life is worth it. Normal cable will emit
deadly fumes when it melts or burns. Plenum cable is designed to not emit
such toxic fumes.
=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
- President George Bush
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` Linux and High speed accessability Frank Carmickle
` Kirk Wood
@ ` Amanda Lee
` Kirk Wood
1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Yup, I've read about this standard as well but we want our tunes and
programming from broadband in the livingroom, access to shared dsl or
hopefully not cable but cang get dsl access, and other things. I think I
read the phoneline devices don't work very well at all and think they
operate very inconsistently. This Intel device seemed to be rated at
about 2.5M and thought this to be respectible albeit I know we wouldn't
see that rate consistently due to other factors. Could probably live with
that.
Amanda
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` Amanda Lee
@ ` Kirk Wood
0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
In all the discussion about the speed of networking option, has anyone
considered the speed of the connection? If your primary thing is internet
access, then getting 100mbit connections won't help much. DSL tops out
about 1.5 and cable arround 2. And yes, cable is faster then DSL on a
consistant basis. I have compared real world speeds with a number of
friends using dsl and cable. The cable consistantly gives a slight
edge. Neither is a clear leader. And the "security" of dsl is just pure
horse sh__. There is no such thing as a secure internet connection.
And do you really give a damn if the neighbor somehow detects that you
went to the smut site? Give me a break. My cable modem filters out all TCP
traffic bound for mac addresses that aren't accessing it. I think this is
pretty standard.
=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
- President George Bush
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` Amanda Lee
` hardware sources Kirk Wood
` Linux and High speed accessability Frank Carmickle
@ ` Janina Sajka
` Amanda Lee
2 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Janina Sajka @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Hi, Amanda:
If it were me, I'd go with wiring provided the property was mine and not a
rental. That would be the deciding factor for me. Wiring is only a hassle.
Once done, it's a blessing. I'd simply plan on spending the money to have
a competent professional do it.
PS: I'm not sure I'd think of the design from the attic down--too hot up
there. You may want to do the actual wiring that way, but the design
should, imho, center on the basement because it's cool there and you can
get at the things you need to get to more easily. Then, bring the cable or
DSL into the basement and into a router/wireless device. Eventually, you
might even put a server down there.
Just my 2 cents American.
PS: Once upon a time telephones were rare. It was radical, back in the
1950s, to have more than one phone per house. The same goes for electrical
plugs. Guess what, high speed wiring to each room, and probably to
multiple jacks in each room will be common in a few decades. If you join
the move now, you get to be a pioneer today and an expert in a few years.
On Wed, 14
Nov 2001, Amanda Lee wrote:
> Yup, if they've gotten through the firewall, then you have more problems
> to worry about than security between the computers within your home or
> whereever the lan is.
>
> Haven't seen a house wiring system that provides good throughput yet. I
> did a bunch of searching and this other technology for wireless seems to
> be best solution for me. I just hoped some other devices were availabel
> for less. I don't want to go too far off topic but I have the info in a
> folder somewhere and will at least relate the name of this device. Pretty
> certain Best Buy offers it.
>
> There is another attempt to connect via the parallel poert but that got
> some bad rap on a message board I was reading and it's obviously as slow
> as mollases.
> To answer going the water pipes route,
> could be an option here but the atic isn't very accessible and don't
> really think the water pipes go up
> that far. In many cases, the walls are sealed off between floors so, as I
> said, it's easier said than done. o'well...
>
> Amanda
>
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Kirk
> Wood wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Terry Klarich wrote:
> > > At this time, I wouldn't consider wireless. There is big problems with
> > > security. I did hear of a product which used the home wiring though. Can't
> > > remember how or where though. Maybe a search on google is in order.
> >
> > OK, can't resist this one. You are connecting a computer to a network with
> > zero security. You are recieving email that has been god only knows where
> > and could easily be seen by anyone and their brother. Now you are a bit
> > concerned because there is a theretical weakness in security?????
> >
> > Hello?? Before deciding this kind of thing you should become
> > informed. Guess what?? There are security risks in your OS? But to shed
> > some knowledge here: the problem with wireless security is that when you
> > use 128 bit encryption you are "only" getting the equivilant of 40 to 56
> > bit encryption. The reason is that the security key must be entered as
> > ascii characters and as such, not all bits are available for use.
> >
> > But hello?? If you have someone hacking into your communications with 40
> > bit encryption then they also probably have tapped into your network and
> > can see all that nice unencrypted data anyway. It took 10,000 computers
> > working around the clock over 24 hours to crack 40 bit encryption. There
> > are much easier ways to snoop on me.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> > a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> > - President George Bush
> >
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` Janina Sajka
@ ` Amanda Lee
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From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Well, as I've said, it's easier said than done. Although do own the
place, I'm not looking to remain there or in the DC area for more than
abot 2 to 5 years max and could be more or less! when the place was bought
8 years ago, it was a real challenge getting cable to all three floors and
theere weren't even telephone jacks in all rooms and what we had to do to
get this done was a true justification as to why the prior two owners
didn't bother! At the rate I'm going, may be moving out before I get to
lan access ha!
Thanks for all suggestions.
Amanda
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` Kirk Wood
` Amanda Lee
@ ` Terry Klarich
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From: Terry Klarich @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
On Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:07:21 -0600 (CST)you write:
>On Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Terry Klarich wrote:
>> At this time, I wouldn't consider wireless. There is big problems with
>> security. I did hear of a product which used the home wiring though. Can't
>> remember how or where though. Maybe a search on google is in order.
>
>OK, can't resist this one. You are connecting a computer to a network with
>zero security. You are recieving email that has been god only knows where
>and could easily be seen by anyone and their brother. Now you are a bit
>concerned because there is a theretical weakness in security?????
You miss the point. I couldn't care any less if someone listens to my internet conversations. In fact, you should always assume
someone is listening. That is why I use pgp and ssh when necessary. My concerns are with others using my network without my
permission or knowledge.
Terry
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Terry Klarich (KI5ZW)
A man is not complete until he is married; then, he is finished.
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` Amanda Lee
` Terry Klarich
@ ` Kirk Wood
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From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
First, there is no reason to think you can't do wireless with
Linux. Though I haven't looked, I would find it hard to believe there are
no Linux drivers for any of the 802.11 cards on the market. There are many
products out there including Linksys (who have linux drivers for most of
their cards). Your hub need not be the same manufacturer. Cost would be
arround $150 for the access point and $100 per machine.
This doesn't mean you couldn't have several computers grouped togethre
near each other. There are four in my house all in the same room sharing
internet connection.
=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
- President George Bush
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Linux and High speed accessability Michael
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
` Terry Klarich
@ ` Kirk Wood
` Richard Villa
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From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
Basically, no they don't have to provide anything for anybody. They can
not be made to support anything. They could choose to only support DOS.
Recognizing that they are not going to support Linux (nor will anyone
really), there is an intelligent means to the end. Learn to ask OS neutral
questions. Ask if you can use (not will they support) a firewall
device. Ask if they give a static IP. If not, do they use PPOE? You need
to learn more then some of the people who work there about the situation.
Sorry, Linux is one of those DYI projects. Nobody is going to make it easy
for you. It is not an OS for morons. It is a solution that is more idiot
resistant and can protect your system from morons.
=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
- President George Bush
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Linux and High speed accessability Michael
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
` Kirk Wood
@ ` Richard Villa
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From: Richard Villa @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael; +Cc: speakup
As long as your system supports the protocol that is rquired by your
ISP, you should not have any trouble hooking up to the high-speed line.
I tend to like using a router, because it handles all of the
communication with ISP.
Richard
On
Tue, 13 Nov 2001, Michael wrote:
>
>
> Hello list:
>
> Now that high speed internet access is available in my area, does the
> provider have to support Linux and is there away around that.
> I spoke to two providers and they're are not going to support Linux in the
> fore seeable future.
> Granted, the two people I spoke to were not and I say again, were not OS
> savvyy. LOL <grin>
> Best regards:
>
> Michael
>
>
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@ Dawes, Stephen
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From: Dawes, Stephen @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: speakup
a friend of mine, is running Cat 3 over his phone lines in his house. I
can find out more if needed.
Steve Dawes
PH: (403) 268-5527.
mailto: sdawes@gov.calgary.ab.ca
-----Original Message-----
From: Amanda Lee [mailto:amanda@shellworld.net]
Sent: 2001 November 14 9:16 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Linux and High speed accessability
Yup, I've read about this standard as well but we want our tunes and
programming from broadband in the livingroom, access to shared dsl or
hopefully not cable but cang get dsl access, and other things. I think
I
read the phoneline devices don't work very well at all and think they
operate very inconsistently. This Intel device seemed to be rated at
about 2.5M and thought this to be respectible albeit I know we wouldn't
see that rate consistently due to other factors. Could probably live
with
that.
Amanda
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@ Holmes, Steve
` Amanda Lee
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From: Holmes, Steve @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
This obviously depends on your personal desires but I thought most cable
companies / providers strictly disallow hosting of any kind on your local
machine. But if it is kept quite or strictly private, they'll probably never
know. Where on the other hand, I thought most DSL providers were more
permissive in that way. I could be all wrong here though.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Wood [mailto:cpt.kirk@1tree.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:22 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: Linux and High speed accessability
In all the discussion about the speed of networking option, has anyone
considered the speed of the connection? If your primary thing is internet
access, then getting 100mbit connections won't help much. DSL tops out
about 1.5 and cable arround 2. And yes, cable is faster then DSL on a
consistant basis. I have compared real world speeds with a number of
friends using dsl and cable. The cable consistantly gives a slight
edge. Neither is a clear leader. And the "security" of dsl is just pure
horse sh__. There is no such thing as a secure internet connection.
And do you really give a damn if the neighbor somehow detects that you
went to the smut site? Give me a break. My cable modem filters out all TCP
traffic bound for mac addresses that aren't accessing it. I think this is
pretty standard.
=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
"When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
- President George Bush
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Holmes, Steve
@ ` Amanda Lee
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From: Amanda Lee @ UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Answer I've always gotten is. We don't support networking but what you do
is your business!
Amanda Lee
On Wed, 14 Nov 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote:
> This obviously depends on your personal desires but I thought most cable
> companies / providers strictly disallow hosting of any kind on your local
> machine. But if it is kept quite or strictly private, they'll probably never
> know. Where on the other hand, I thought most DSL providers were more
> permissive in that way. I could be all wrong here though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirk Wood [mailto:cpt.kirk@1tree.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:22 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: Linux and High speed accessability
>
>
> In all the discussion about the speed of networking option, has anyone
> considered the speed of the connection? If your primary thing is internet
> access, then getting 100mbit connections won't help much. DSL tops out
> about 1.5 and cable arround 2. And yes, cable is faster then DSL on a
> consistant basis. I have compared real world speeds with a number of
> friends using dsl and cable. The cable consistantly gives a slight
> edge. Neither is a clear leader. And the "security" of dsl is just pure
> horse sh__. There is no such thing as a secure internet connection.
>
> And do you really give a damn if the neighbor somehow detects that you
> went to the smut site? Give me a break. My cable modem filters out all TCP
> traffic bound for mac addresses that aren't accessing it. I think this is
> pretty standard.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> "When I take action, I'm not going to fire a $2 million missle at
> a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It's going to be decisive."
> - President George Bush
>
>
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