Debian with speakup

Debian with speakup

[Cláudio Haase]

Hi all.
I have  some questions:
1. Can someone say me if debian 2.2r3 with speakupb is
already available for download?
2. Where can I find a tutorial to install Debian with
speakup?
Thanks for help!


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Re: Debian with speakup

[Tommy Moore]

Nope, 2.2R3 isn't out yet.
Not sure if I'll make a set for that but if there's enough demand I
will. Was thinking of just comming out with disks for Woody but if there's
still a number of people wanting the latest Potato updated disks I can put
them out again.

Tommy

Re: Debian with speakup

[Cláudio Haase]

Thanks Tommy.
I'm using Slackware 8.0, but I'm intrested in Debian
project.


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Re: Debian with speakup

[Kenny Hitt]

Hi, you can use the current disks and just do
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
This should upgrade your system to the latest.
The only thing special about installing with speakup is the command line
options for speakup and don't let the system configure your keyboard.
The Debian manual for installing is good about walking you through the
installation.  It is on the cd or you can read it on there web sight.

          Kenny

On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 01:03:58PM -0700, Cláudio Haase wrote:
> Hi all.
> I have  some questions:
> 1. Can someone say me if debian 2.2r3 with speakupb is
> already available for download?
> 2. Where can I find a tutorial to install Debian with
> speakup?
> Thanks for help!
> 
> 
> =====
> Claudio Haase. ICQ 100877433
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger
> http://im.yahoo.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: Debian with speakup

[Tommy Moore]

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Kenny Hitt wrote:

> Hi, you can use the current disks and just do
> apt-get update
> apt-get upgrade
> This should upgrade your system to the latest.

Only problem with this is if someone wants to have the debian cd set I
don't think this will work because the 2.2R3 first cd doesn't talk and if
you try to use the first debian 2.2_r2 cd with the other 2 2.2R3 disks you
could run in to a problem.
This is probably the reason why most people want the upgrade in boot
disks.

Tommy

Re: Debian with speakup

[Kenny Hitt]

Ok, I didn't realize that.  My CD's are the first release of 2.2 but
my floppies are the version from the Speakup web sight.
I just start the
install with floppies, and switch to CD.  The install always tries to 
set up an internet connection in addition to using the CD's.  When
it's done, I end up with the latest version installed.
It might not be a problem because most of the packages seem to be read 
from the first Cd or the Internet.  The install catalogs the other Cd's,
but I thought the package system simply used the latest information on
packages it could find from any of it's known sources.  I don't have the 
combination of Cd's you mention, so I could be wrong.


          Kenny

On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:50:05AM -0400, Tommy Moore wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Kenny Hitt wrote:
> 
> > Hi, you can use the current disks and just do
> > apt-get update
> > apt-get upgrade
> > This should upgrade your system to the latest.
> 
> Only problem with this is if someone wants to have the debian cd set I
> don't think this will work because the 2.2R3 first cd doesn't talk and if
> you try to use the first debian 2.2_r2 cd with the other 2 2.2R3 disks you
> could run in to a problem.
> This is probably the reason why most people want the upgrade in boot
> disks.
> 
> Tommy
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

a few things

[Deedra Waters]

I had a sited person help me install debian, the way we did it is
partisioned my harddrive and kept windows but created a second partision for
debian. hear's the problem though when we try and create the boot menue we
can't really get it to work. We tried using lilo but it didn't cooperate, we
tried another, can't remember the name and thought we had it working, but
when we tried to boot into windows it came back with  errors. We reinstalled
windows but now I don't have access to debian at all unless we use the cd.

     If anyone has sugestions I'd really appreciate it...
deedra

Re: a few things

[Kirk Wood]

RE-install lilo. When it comes to the boot menu, pressing tab will give
you the options. You must type in any option other then the
default. The default will be marked with an astrick. You can change the
default by editing lilo.conf found in /etc then running lilo from a
command prompt.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.

Re: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

Grub is not as accessible as lilo. Don't know what your Windows problem 
was, but I've not seen Windows problems based on lilo, myself. What kind 
of Windows problems? What Windows?

My advice is to put lilo back as your boot loader--or use the commercial 
program System Commander which knows a lot about Windows and handles 
linux, too. But, lilo is free and System Commander isn't. 

PS: You did create a bootable floppy during your linux install, didn't 
you? Can you boot linux using that floppy?
 On Thu, 6 Sep 
2001, Deedra Waters wrote:

> we tried this and that didn't work. So we tried installing grub instead...
> but then we got the error with windows. still not sure what we're missing.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:02 AM
> Subject: Re: a few things
> 
> 
> > RE-install lilo. When it comes to the boot menu, pressing tab will give
> > you the options. You must type in any option other then the
> > default. The default will be marked with an astrick. You can change the
> > default by editing lilo.conf found in /etc then running lilo from a
> > command prompt.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> > If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: a few things

[Kirk Wood]

I doubt you will find many here who work with Grub. To enable a dual boot
I would recomend re-installing lilo. If you have problems let the list
know exectly what is not working and someone might be able to give you a
fix.

As mentioned in another post your bios *must* be able to read the portion
of the hard drive containing /boot. If your bios doesn't recognize the
entire drive, then you will want a small partition near the begining of
the drive. Making a drive like this into a dual boot situation might be
tough. I believe it is doable, but I haven't managed. I would recomend
considering putting in another drive.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.

Re: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:

> As mentioned in another post your bios *must* be able to read the portion
> of the hard drive containing /boot. If your bios doesn't recognize the
> entire drive, then you will want a small partition near the begining of
> the drive. Making a drive like this into a dual boot situation might be
> tough. I believe it is doable, but I haven't managed.

I have done this a lot, but only with Partition Magic which is not free. 
Furthermore, it is now only sold for Windows. So, I'm unlikely to keep 
doing this myself, as I have continued to use their old DOS product to 
accomplish this kind of thing--and I've now moved to the ext3 file system, 
which the old DOS Partition Magic doesn't, and never will support.

The reason this has worked so well for me--the feature in Partition Magic 
which makes this work, and the feature seemingly missing in Part Ed is the 
ability to move a partition. Part Ed will resize, but I do not see where 
it will literally move a p[artition left or right.

Re: a few things

[Deedra Waters]

we tried this and that didn't work. So we tried installing grub instead...
but then we got the error with windows. still not sure what we're missing.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: a few things


> RE-install lilo. When it comes to the boot menu, pressing tab will give
> you the options. You must type in any option other then the
> default. The default will be marked with an astrick. You can change the
> default by editing lilo.conf found in /etc then running lilo from a
> command prompt.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

Maybe you do and just don't know it. Refresh me again which distribution 
you installed? Was it Redhat or Debian? If Redhat, did you get the CD ROM 
files from Bill's ftp site, or from somewhere else? 

If you did not create a bootable floppy during the installation, you can 
still get at your linux installation from the installation floppy by going 
into what is called rescue mode. If you installed a linux with speech on 
it, it will talk--and you'll be able to do things like install lilo and 
edit the lilo.conf file.

 On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:

> at this point I don't have access to the linux partision at all. unless we
> load it from the cd which doesn't bring up speech
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: a few things
> 
> 
> > Grub is not as accessible as lilo. Don't know what your Windows problem
> > was, but I've not seen Windows problems based on lilo, myself. What kind
> > of Windows problems? What Windows?
> >
> > My advice is to put lilo back as your boot loader--or use the commercial
> > program System Commander which knows a lot about Windows and handles
> > linux, too. But, lilo is free and System Commander isn't.
> >
> > PS: You did create a bootable floppy during your linux install, didn't
> > you? Can you boot linux using that floppy?
> >  On Thu, 6 Sep
> > 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:
> >
> > > we tried this and that didn't work. So we tried installing grub
> instead...
> > > but then we got the error with windows. still not sure what we're
> missing.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:02 AM
> > > Subject: Re: a few things
> > >
> > >
> > > > RE-install lilo. When it comes to the boot menu, pressing tab will
> give
> > > > you the options. You must type in any option other then the
> > > > default. The default will be marked with an astrick. You can change
> the
> > > > default by editing lilo.conf found in /etc then running lilo from a
> > > > command prompt.
> > > >
> > > > =======
> > > > Kirk Wood
> > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > >
> > > > The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> > > > If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Director
> > Technology Research and Development
> > Governmental Relations Group
> > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> >
> > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> >
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> >
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> >
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> >
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: a few things

[Deedra Waters]

at this point I don't have access to the linux partision at all. unless we
load it from the cd which doesn't bring up speech
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: a few things


> Grub is not as accessible as lilo. Don't know what your Windows problem
> was, but I've not seen Windows problems based on lilo, myself. What kind
> of Windows problems? What Windows?
>
> My advice is to put lilo back as your boot loader--or use the commercial
> program System Commander which knows a lot about Windows and handles
> linux, too. But, lilo is free and System Commander isn't.
>
> PS: You did create a bootable floppy during your linux install, didn't
> you? Can you boot linux using that floppy?
>  On Thu, 6 Sep
> 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:
>
> > we tried this and that didn't work. So we tried installing grub
instead...
> > but then we got the error with windows. still not sure what we're
missing.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: a few things
> >
> >
> > > RE-install lilo. When it comes to the boot menu, pressing tab will
give
> > > you the options. You must type in any option other then the
> > > default. The default will be marked with an astrick. You can change
the
> > > default by editing lilo.conf found in /etc then running lilo from a
> > > command prompt.
> > >
> > > =======
> > > Kirk Wood
> > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > >
> > > The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> > > If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: a few things

[Gregory Nowak]

Can you get into rescue mode with slackware install disks?
Greg


On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 03:28:32PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
> Maybe you do and just don't know it. Refresh me again which distribution 
> you installed? Was it Redhat or Debian? If Redhat, did you get the CD ROM 
> files from Bill's ftp site, or from somewhere else? 
> 
> If you did not create a bootable floppy during the installation, you can 
> still get at your linux installation from the installation floppy by going 
> into what is called rescue mode. If you installed a linux with speech on 
> it, it will talk--and you'll be able to do things like install lilo and 
> edit the lilo.conf file.
> 
>  On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:
> 
> > at this point I don't have access to the linux partision at all. unless we
> > load it from the cd which doesn't bring up speech
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: a few things
> > 
> > 
> > > Grub is not as accessible as lilo. Don't know what your Windows problem
> > > was, but I've not seen Windows problems based on lilo, myself. What kind
> > > of Windows problems? What Windows?
> > >
> > > My advice is to put lilo back as your boot loader--or use the commercial
> > > program System Commander which knows a lot about Windows and handles
> > > linux, too. But, lilo is free and System Commander isn't.
> > >
> > > PS: You did create a bootable floppy during your linux install, didn't
> > > you? Can you boot linux using that floppy?
> > >  On Thu, 6 Sep
> > > 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:
> > >
> > > > we tried this and that didn't work. So we tried installing grub
> > instead...
> > > > but then we got the error with windows. still not sure what we're
> > missing.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> > > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:02 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: a few things
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > RE-install lilo. When it comes to the boot menu, pressing tab will
> > give
> > > > > you the options. You must type in any option other then the
> > > > > default. The default will be marked with an astrick. You can change
> > the
> > > > > default by editing lilo.conf found in /etc then running lilo from a
> > > > > command prompt.
> > > > >
> > > > > =======
> > > > > Kirk Wood
> > > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > > >
> > > > > The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> > > > > If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina Sajka, Director
> > > Technology Research and Development
> > > Governmental Relations Group
> > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > >
> > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > >
> > > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > http://www.openebook.org
> > >
> > > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > >
> > > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > >
> > > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> 
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> 
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: A few things

[Michael Whapples]

Unfortunately the one page I am thinking of in particular does not allow you 
to continue if it believes you don't have java script.

Also elinks does report java script in version information, so I think it is 
compiled correct.
Michael Whapples
"An optimist is someone who has never had much experience"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Ekis" <jekis@fastmail.us>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: A few things


> For some reason some sites warn you that javascript isn't enabled, but 
> still work just fine after that point anyway. And some sites don't warn 
> you, but don't work either. This second group keeps getting smaller.
> You can make sure that it is compiled with  Javascript buy running the 
> command elinks --version. Check for ECMAScript in the feature list. Elinks 
> seems to call it ECMAScript, which I've never heard of. In the options 
> manager, open the document folder and then the ECMAScript folder and 
> there's a couple options there.
>
> Justin
>
> On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 01:24:06PM -0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
>>I have tried elinks 0.10. It is that some websites report java script is 
>>not enabled when I use elinks, but they don't complain when I use links2. 
>>I know that elinks has to be compiled with the correct patches to get java 
>>script. As far as I know I have compiled it successfully with java script 
>>because some websites do seem to use it OK. I cannot find any settings for 
>>java script, maybe it is not configured correct. Is this correct, or do I 
>>need to do other things as well.
>>From
>>Michael Whapples
>>"An optimist is someone who has never had much experience"
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: A few things

[Justin Ekis]

For some reason some sites warn you that javascript isn't enabled, but 
still work just fine after that point anyway. And some sites don't warn 
you, but don't work either. This second group keeps getting smaller.
You can make sure that it is compiled with  Javascript buy running the 
command elinks --version. Check for ECMAScript in the feature list. 
Elinks seems to call it ECMAScript, which I've never heard of. In the 
options manager, open the document folder and then the ECMAScript folder 
and there's a couple options there.

Justin

On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 01:24:06PM -0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
>I have tried elinks 0.10. It is that some websites report java script is 
>not enabled when I use elinks, but they don't complain when I use links2. I 
>know that elinks has to be compiled with the correct patches to get java 
>script. As far as I know I have compiled it successfully with java script 
>because some websites do seem to use it OK. I cannot find any settings for 
>java script, maybe it is not configured correct. Is this correct, or do I 
>need to do other things as well.
>From
>Michael Whapples
>"An optimist is someone who has never had much experience"

Re: A few things

[Michael Whapples]

I have tried elinks 0.10. It is that some websites report java script is not 
enabled when I use elinks, but they don't complain when I use links2. I know 
that elinks has to be compiled with the correct patches to get java script. 
As far as I know I have compiled it successfully with java script because 
some websites do seem to use it OK. I cannot find any settings for java 
script, maybe it is not configured correct. Is this correct, or do I need to 
do other things as well.
From
Michael Whapples
"An optimist is someone who has never had much experience"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Ekis" <jekis@fastmail.us>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: A few things


> On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 12:22:19PM -0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
>>A more general question is what is a good web browser? Links2 has java 
>>script, but does not seem to have cookies. Elinks has cookies and very 
>>limited java script, but not enough for some websites I need to visit. I 
>>know that there is meant to be good accessibility support being built into 
>>Mozilla, but I don't think it is properly completed, any knowledge of 
>>that?
>
> What version of Elinks have you tried? In my opinion the Javascript 
> support in elinks seems much more complete and useable than that in 
> links2. I use the latest Elinks from cvs but I think the 0.10 releases 
> should work just as well. Not sure on that.
>
> Hth
>
> Justin
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Re: A few things

[Justin Ekis]

On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 12:22:19PM -0000, Michael Whapples wrote:
>A more general question is what is a good web browser? Links2 has java 
>script, but does not seem to have cookies. Elinks has cookies and very 
>limited java script, but not enough for some websites I need to visit. I 
>know that there is meant to be good accessibility support being built into 
>Mozilla, but I don't think it is properly completed, any knowledge of that?

What version of Elinks have you tried? In my opinion the Javascript 
support in elinks seems much more complete and useable than that in 
links2. I use the latest Elinks from cvs but I think the 0.10 releases 
should work just as well. Not sure on that.

Hth

Justin

A few things

[Michael Whapples]

Hello,
Thank you to all the people who told me where to find modified Debian 
installation media, it worked fine to set up Debian, my problem was typing 
"linux" as the kernel image instead of "speakup". Unfortunately Debian does 
not seem to suit me, in fat, I have tried a few distributions, and Slackware 
seems to be the one that suits me best. I just need some help with a couple 
of things with Slackware though.

I am having problems with flite compiling on slackware. I have done some 
searches on the internet to find a solution, and I think I found a message 
on this list that said with the right patch it will compile. What is that 
patch, and where do I find it? I know I can use rpm packages with the 
rpm2tgz tool, but I find getting those rpm's seems to take time to download, 
so building from source is preferred.

Also I would prefer to try and use festival for software synthesis rather 
than flite, but I can't work out how I start it in the start up scripts. If 
I add "festival --server" where "festival" includes the path to the binary, 
the system stops loading. I think it is running festival as a server as if 
you typed it at a command prompt, and like from the command prompt, it does 
not return to accept more commands. What would be the best way to start it 
in /etc/rc.d/rc.local?

A more general question is what is a good web browser? Links2 has java 
script, but does not seem to have cookies. Elinks has cookies and very 
limited java script, but not enough for some websites I need to visit. I 
know that there is meant to be good accessibility support being built into 
Mozilla, but I don't think it is properly completed, any knowledge of that?

From
Michael Whapples
"An optimist is someone who has never had much experience" 

Re: a few things

[Kerry Hoath]

I hear ocrshop works well not sure of the state of usb support for scanners
under Linux some go and some don't.
I thought openbook didn't like the 5200 too much; but they might have fixed that.
In the short term my recommendation is to run Windows 98 second edition for
all your scanning needs.
BTW vmware 3 lets jaws's software speech run in an emulated machine.

Regards, Kerry.
On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 05:53:50PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote:
> Hi guys, I posted this a couple of days ago, but am really hoping I can
> get some help on this. I'm wondering if any of you can tell me, or have
> any ideas of scanner programs that would work with linux if there are any
> possibley similar to openbook If there are any, Do any of you  know how I
> can get my hp scanjet 5200c series scanner to run off of usb ports? I
> found a scanjet program type of thing off of the debian website, but it
> doesn't work with usb apparrently because it doesn't find the scanner.
> 
>      One other thing... I'm having a little trouble trying to get my
> printer working with linux, I've got usb enabled in the kernel, but for
> some reason I can't get the printer to print, when I try to print it sends
> it, but apparrently the printer isn't receiving it. if anyone has
> suggestions with this I'd really appreciate it...
> 
> 
> 
> 
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ICQ UIN: 8226547

a few things

[Deedra Waters]

Hi guys, I posted this a couple of days ago, but am really hoping I can
get some help on this. I'm wondering if any of you can tell me, or have
any ideas of scanner programs that would work with linux if there are any
possibley similar to openbook If there are any, Do any of you  know how I
can get my hp scanjet 5200c series scanner to run off of usb ports? I
found a scanjet program type of thing off of the debian website, but it
doesn't work with usb apparrently because it doesn't find the scanner.

     One other thing... I'm having a little trouble trying to get my
printer working with linux, I've got usb enabled in the kernel, but for
some reason I can't get the printer to print, when I try to print it sends
it, but apparrently the printer isn't receiving it. if anyone has
suggestions with this I'd really appreciate it...

a few things

[Deedra Waters]

     I'm wondering if maybe some of you can possiblely help me with a few
things, or at least point me in the right direction... My windows m.e is
completely unworking now which is a problem, but doesn't really bother me
much any mor, but the problem it does create is that I no longer have
access to openbook, or being able to print documents with my lexmark
z22z30 series printer. both  printer and scanner run off of usb cables. I
have the support for usb enabled, but I'm wondering if someone can point
me in the right direction for something similar to openbook that works in
linux with speakup as well as info on getting both printer and scanner to
work.
if someone could help me with this I'd appreciate it.
Deedra

Re: a few things

[Raul A. Gallegos]

The difference is menuconfig shows up a dialog of choices where you use
up/down arrows to asee all options and change them as you go.  plain
config asks one question at a time with no dialogs.  all you do is press y
n m or ? for help and enter.

--- Raul A. Gallegos mailto:raul@asmodean.net http://www.asmodean.net
For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals..  Then
something happened, which unleashed the power of our imagination...
We learned to talk...

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:

> um.. what's the difference between the two? and am I going to have to go
> back to the kernel with out speech to fix this?:p

Re: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

Excuse me? I don't understand you. In the last day or so you've been 
saying that Pine and Lynx don't track, and you've been asking about make 
config and make menuconfig. Are you now saying you don't have a talking 
linux installation after all?  Clearly, a sighted person would prefer to 
use make menuconfig because there's the ready opportunity to go back and 
change one's mind about any particular item--something for which I 
specified the work around in an email yesterday. Are you concerned that 
somehow make config and make menuconfig make totaly different linuxes? 
That's probably understandable thinking for someone coming from the 
commercial software world--but it doesn't apply here.

PS: If memory serves, you also wrote yesterday that the wrong synth was 
specified for speakup during this make menuconfig process. If that's the 
case, you fix that in your /etc/lilo.conf and, after you've fixed it, run 
lilo to execute the new configuration. You'll need an 
'append="speakup_synth=XXXX""' entry below the READONLY of your kernel 
specification.


On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:

> ok, you've answered a lot of my questions and I really appreciate this...
> but um... how can I do this if I don't have speech right now? *grin*
> 
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:
> 
> > make config
> > 
> > instead of
> > 
> > make menuconfig
> > 
> > will give you choices one at a time. The downside of this approach is that 
> > you don't have the option to go back and forth among various selections 
> > until you have things the way you want them. The advantage is that speech 
> > will be robust.
> > 
> > Once you have a .config file you like save it off to a separate location. 
> > This way, the next time you want to compile a kernel you can copy this old 
> > configuration file into the root of the kernel tree (i.e. /usr/src/linux) 
> > and do a 
> > 
> > make oldconfig
> > 
> > This is advantageous. You'll hate make config the first time you run it 
> > because it asks a gazillion questions. But, after you've done this once, 
> > make oldconfig will ask only about new things.
> > 
> > Also, here's what dto do if you think something in your config needs to 
> > change--or if you realize you've made a mistake during the make config 
> > process, but can't go back because that's the nature of the beast.
> > 
> > Pull up the .config file in your favorite editor and find the line in 
> > question. Delete that entire line--do not edit it. You can delete one line 
> > or many lines, as needed. Then, do a:
> > 
> > make oldconfig
> > 
> > and you'll be asked about the options you deleted only.
> > 
> > This make oldconfig makes compiling new kernels a breeze.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 	
> > 				Janina Sajka, Director
> > 				Technology Research and Development
> > 				Governmental Relations Group
> > 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > 
> > Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > 
> > Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > http://www.openebook.org
> > 
> > Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > 
> > Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > 
> > Learn how to make accessible software at
> > http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > 
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

It's just a different interface to the same thing, and no, you do not do 
it witout speech. There's actually a third way to select kernel 
compilation options, but we don't talk about that one because it's X based 
and we wouldn't be able to use it with speech.

 On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Deedra 
Waters wrote:

> um.. what's the difference between the two? and am I going to have to go
> back to the kernel with out speech to fix this?:p
> 
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> 
> > do make config instead of make menuconfig.
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:46:25PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote:
> > >      Well, after a couple of days of fighting with my computer I finally
> > > got to install the cvs updates for speakup. I got a crash course in
> > > recompiling my kernel but did fine there. Hear's something I noticed
> > > though and not sure if there is another way around this... When I was
> > > recompiling the kernel in the menus it appears tha speakup seems to have
> > > trouble tracking things like when I'd up and down arrow between items I
> > > could never  really be sure what item I had selected or not...
> > >      This has suddenly become a problem in the sense that I recompiled the
> > > kerneljust fine with no errors, but apparrently didn't select the right
> > > speech synthisizer. I'm not really sure how to get around that/fix it,
> > > I've got someone who's been teaching me... But am mor curious as to wether
> > > there is a better way to work with speakup in menues like that... If
> > > anyone has suggestions I'd appreciate it.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

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				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: a few things

[Cláudio Haase]

Hi Deedra.
In Make Config, you don't have a menu.
You must to type Y (yes), M (module),  or N (no) to
the each option in the kernel configuration.
PS. When you do select your processor, you need to
type pentium, k6, athlon, etc.


=====
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Re: a few things

[Gregory Nowak]

The thing that both have in common is that they both do the same thing.  However, they interface differently with you.
Greg



> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Deedra Waters <dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com
>To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:17:50 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: a few things

>I understand that, I think what I'm asking is what is the difference
>between make config and make menuconfig, do they work the same way? what
>is the difference?

>On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Clßudio Haase wrote:

>> Hi Deedra.
>> Make Config is the  best choice to use with speakup
>> because you can not navegate properly in the menus of
>> Make Menuconfig.


>> =====
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>> __________________________________________________
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Re: a few things

[Gregory Nowak]

Cute.  I used to do make config all over again, and it was a big pain.  Thanks for the info.
Greg



> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Janina Sajka <janina@afb.net
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:22:02 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: a few things

>make config

>instead of

>make menuconfig

>will give you choices one at a time.  The downside of this approach is that
>you don't have the option to go back and forth among various selections
>until you have things the way you want them.  The advantage is that speech
>will be robust.

>Once you have a .config file you like save it off to a separate location.
>This way, the next time you want to compile a kernel you can copy this old
>configuration file into the root of the kernel tree (i.e.  /usr/src/linux)
>and do a

>make oldconfig

>This is advantageous.  You'll hate make config the first time you run it
>because it asks a gazillion questions.  But, after you've done this once,
>make oldconfig will ask only about new things.

>Also, here's what dto do if you think something in your config needs to
>change--or if you realize you've made a mistake during the make config
>process, but can't go back because that's the nature of the beast.

>Pull up the .config file in your favorite editor and find the line in
>question.  Delete that entire line--do not edit it.  You can delete one line
>or many lines, as needed.  Then, do a:

>make oldconfig

>and you'll be asked about the options you deleted only.

>This make oldconfig makes compiling new kernels a breeze.


>--

>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

>Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

>Chair, Accessibility SIG
>Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
>http://www.openebook.org

>Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
>Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

>Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
>King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
>http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

>Learn how to make accessible software at
>http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp


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>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: a few things

[Gregory Nowak]

Make config presents you with questions which you can answer with y for yes, n for no, or m for module.  Make menuconfig gives you a list of option which you can check.  I'm not exactly sure of this, because I've only displayed and not used it.
Greg



> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Deedra Waters <dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com
>To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:52:12 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: a few things

>um..  what's the difference between the two? and am I going to have to go
>back to the kernel with out speech to fix this?:p

>On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

>> do make config instead of make menuconfig.
>> Greg


>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:46:25PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote:
>>>      Well, after a couple of days of fighting with my computer I finally
>>> got to install the cvs updates for speakup.  I got a crash course in
>>> recompiling my kernel but did fine there.  Hear's something I noticed
>>> though and not sure if there is another way around this...  When I was
>>> recompiling the kernel in the menus it appears tha speakup seems to have
>>> trouble tracking things like when I'd up and down arrow between items I
>>> could never  really be sure what item I had selected or not...
>>>      This has suddenly become a problem in the sense that I recompiled the
>>> kerneljust fine with no errors, but apparrently didn't select the right
>>> speech synthisizer.  I'm not really sure how to get around that/fix it,
>>> I've got someone who's been teaching me...  But am mor curious as to wether
>>> there is a better way to work with speakup in menues like that...  If
>>> anyone has suggestions I'd appreciate it.



>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Speakup mailing list
>>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup



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Re: a few things

[Deedra Waters]

ok, you've answered a lot of my questions and I really appreciate this...
but um... how can I do this if I don't have speech right now? *grin*

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Janina Sajka wrote:

> make config
> 
> instead of
> 
> make menuconfig
> 
> will give you choices one at a time. The downside of this approach is that 
> you don't have the option to go back and forth among various selections 
> until you have things the way you want them. The advantage is that speech 
> will be robust.
> 
> Once you have a .config file you like save it off to a separate location. 
> This way, the next time you want to compile a kernel you can copy this old 
> configuration file into the root of the kernel tree (i.e. /usr/src/linux) 
> and do a 
> 
> make oldconfig
> 
> This is advantageous. You'll hate make config the first time you run it 
> because it asks a gazillion questions. But, after you've done this once, 
> make oldconfig will ask only about new things.
> 
> Also, here's what dto do if you think something in your config needs to 
> change--or if you realize you've made a mistake during the make config 
> process, but can't go back because that's the nature of the beast.
> 
> Pull up the .config file in your favorite editor and find the line in 
> question. Delete that entire line--do not edit it. You can delete one line 
> or many lines, as needed. Then, do a:
> 
> make oldconfig
> 
> and you'll be asked about the options you deleted only.
> 
> This make oldconfig makes compiling new kernels a breeze.
> 
> 
> -- 
> 	
> 				Janina Sajka, Director
> 				Technology Research and Development
> 				Governmental Relations Group
> 				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> 
> Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> 
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
> 
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> 
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> 
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: a few things

[Ryan Mann]

Make config gives a text only interface to the kernel configuration where
you just answer y or n for everything that you want to include in the
kernel.


On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:

> um.. what's the difference between the two? and am I going to have to go
> back to the kernel with out speech to fix this?:p
>
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
> > do make config instead of make menuconfig.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:46:25PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote:
> > >      Well, after a couple of days of fighting with my computer I finally
> > > got to install the cvs updates for speakup. I got a crash course in
> > > recompiling my kernel but did fine there. Hear's something I noticed
> > > though and not sure if there is another way around this... When I was
> > > recompiling the kernel in the menus it appears tha speakup seems to have
> > > trouble tracking things like when I'd up and down arrow between items I
> > > could never  really be sure what item I had selected or not...
> > >      This has suddenly become a problem in the sense that I recompiled the
> > > kerneljust fine with no errors, but apparrently didn't select the right
> > > speech synthisizer. I'm not really sure how to get around that/fix it,
> > > I've got someone who's been teaching me... But am mor curious as to wether
> > > there is a better way to work with speakup in menues like that... If
> > > anyone has suggestions I'd appreciate it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

make config

instead of

make menuconfig

will give you choices one at a time. The downside of this approach is that 
you don't have the option to go back and forth among various selections 
until you have things the way you want them. The advantage is that speech 
will be robust.

Once you have a .config file you like save it off to a separate location. 
This way, the next time you want to compile a kernel you can copy this old 
configuration file into the root of the kernel tree (i.e. /usr/src/linux) 
and do a 

make oldconfig

This is advantageous. You'll hate make config the first time you run it 
because it asks a gazillion questions. But, after you've done this once, 
make oldconfig will ask only about new things.

Also, here's what dto do if you think something in your config needs to 
change--or if you realize you've made a mistake during the make config 
process, but can't go back because that's the nature of the beast.

Pull up the .config file in your favorite editor and find the line in 
question. Delete that entire line--do not edit it. You can delete one line 
or many lines, as needed. Then, do a:

make oldconfig

and you'll be asked about the options you deleted only.

This make oldconfig makes compiling new kernels a breeze.


-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: a few things

[Cláudio Haase]

Hi Deedra.
Make Config is the  best choice to use with speakup
because you can not navegate properly in the menus of
Make Menuconfig.


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Re: a few things

[Kirk Reiser]

When you are using make menuconfig, you should shut off your speech
with ins-enter and speakup will track correctly.  The problem is that
speakup is trying to read the line before lxdialog has actually
finished writing the line so it doesn't track correctly.

  Kirk

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: a few things

[Buddy Brannan]

Hi Deedra,

The cursor actually tracks nicely. It does not, however, always read
along with the tracking correctly. You may get two things read to
you. However, the Speakup does track just fine. So best thing to
do...before you hit enter to make your selection, use the numeric pad
8 (for current line), or numeric pad 5 (for current word) and review
the area immediately around your cursor to be sure you are on what you
think you are on. The way it reads takes a bit of getting used to, but
it's all right.
-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV    | From the pines down to the projects,
Email: davros@ycardz.com | Life pushes up through the cracks.
Phone: (972) 276-6360    | And it's only going forward,
ICQ: 36621210            | And it's never going back.--Small Potatoes

Re: a few things

[Gregory Nowak]

do make config instead of make menuconfig.
Greg


On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:46:25PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote:
>      Well, after a couple of days of fighting with my computer I finally
> got to install the cvs updates for speakup. I got a crash course in
> recompiling my kernel but did fine there. Hear's something I noticed
> though and not sure if there is another way around this... When I was
> recompiling the kernel in the menus it appears tha speakup seems to have
> trouble tracking things like when I'd up and down arrow between items I
> could never  really be sure what item I had selected or not...
>      This has suddenly become a problem in the sense that I recompiled the
> kerneljust fine with no errors, but apparrently didn't select the right
> speech synthisizer. I'm not really sure how to get around that/fix it,
> I've got someone who's been teaching me... But am mor curious as to wether
> there is a better way to work with speakup in menues like that... If
> anyone has suggestions I'd appreciate it.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: a few things

[Deedra Waters]

I understand that, I think what I'm asking is what is the difference
between make config and make menuconfig, do they work the same way? what
is the difference?

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Cláudio Haase wrote:

> Hi Deedra.
> Make Config is the  best choice to use with speakup
> because you can not navegate properly in the menus of
> Make Menuconfig.
> 
> 
> =====
> Claudio Haase. ICQ 100877433
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
> Donate cash, emergency relief information
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: a few things

[Deedra Waters]

So, if I understand you right, I can use ins keypad enter to um... sorta
turn the speech off in a sense and it'll still talk if I use the arrows to
move threw the menu choices? If that's the case then I suspect that this
will solve other similar tracking dificulties as well to a point.

     if this is the case... Then what is the best way to recompile that
kernel with out speech? Or can I use this to recompile it  and then be
able to boot into the orrigional one? Not really sure if I'm making sense.


On 16 Sep 2001, Kirk Reiser wrote:

> When you are using make menuconfig, you should shut off your speech
> with ins-enter and speakup will track correctly.  The problem is that
> speakup is trying to read the line before lxdialog has actually
> finished writing the line so it doesn't track correctly.
> 
>   Kirk
> 
> -- 
> 
> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

Re: a few things

[Deedra Waters]

um.. what's the difference between the two? and am I going to have to go
back to the kernel with out speech to fix this?:p

On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> do make config instead of make menuconfig.
> Greg
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:46:25PM -0400, Deedra Waters wrote:
> >      Well, after a couple of days of fighting with my computer I finally
> > got to install the cvs updates for speakup. I got a crash course in
> > recompiling my kernel but did fine there. Hear's something I noticed
> > though and not sure if there is another way around this... When I was
> > recompiling the kernel in the menus it appears tha speakup seems to have
> > trouble tracking things like when I'd up and down arrow between items I
> > could never  really be sure what item I had selected or not...
> >      This has suddenly become a problem in the sense that I recompiled the
> > kerneljust fine with no errors, but apparrently didn't select the right
> > speech synthisizer. I'm not really sure how to get around that/fix it,
> > I've got someone who's been teaching me... But am mor curious as to wether
> > there is a better way to work with speakup in menues like that... If
> > anyone has suggestions I'd appreciate it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

a few things

[Deedra Waters]

     Well, after a couple of days of fighting with my computer I finally
got to install the cvs updates for speakup. I got a crash course in
recompiling my kernel but did fine there. Hear's something I noticed
though and not sure if there is another way around this... When I was
recompiling the kernel in the menus it appears tha speakup seems to have
trouble tracking things like when I'd up and down arrow between items I
could never  really be sure what item I had selected or not...
     This has suddenly become a problem in the sense that I recompiled the
kerneljust fine with no errors, but apparrently didn't select the right
speech synthisizer. I'm not really sure how to get around that/fix it,
I've got someone who's been teaching me... But am mor curious as to wether
there is a better way to work with speakup in menues like that... If
anyone has suggestions I'd appreciate it.

Re: a few things

[John Covici]

I think I remember that your root partition needed to be below about
20g to boot properly with lilo even with the lba option.

Kerry Hoath <kerry@gotss.net> writes:

> Sigh.
> If  your BIOS has int13 LBA extentions and you are running lilo 21
> or later; (Debian Potato ships with this)
> you are not restricted to the 1024 cylinder boundary if you are booting
> Linux and LILO is in the mbr.
> You can't boot windows past the 2gig mark; that's a bug in the dos boot sector.
> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:07:55PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > Yes, this is correct.
> > I speak from personal experience.
> > You can get arround by creating a root partition from which lilo can boot.
> > This partition absolutely cannot exceed the maxium boot drive size required by your bios.
> > Greg
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> --
> Kerry Hoath: kerry@gotss.net
> alternatives: kerry@gotss.eu.org or kerry@gotss.spice.net.au
> ICQ UIN: 8226547
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         covici@ccs.covici.com

Re: a few things

[Kerry Hoath]

Sigh.
If  your BIOS has int13 LBA extentions and you are running lilo 21
or later; (Debian Potato ships with this)
you are not restricted to the 1024 cylinder boundary if you are booting
Linux and LILO is in the mbr.
You can't boot windows past the 2gig mark; that's a bug in the dos boot sector.
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 06:07:55PM -0500, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> Yes, this is correct.
> I speak from personal experience.
> You can get arround by creating a root partition from which lilo can boot.
> This partition absolutely cannot exceed the maxium boot drive size required by your bios.
> Greg
> 
> 

-- 
--
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alternatives: kerry@gotss.eu.org or kerry@gotss.spice.net.au
ICQ UIN: 8226547

Re: a few things

[Deedra Waters]

*cackle* We got it working with grub... he was missing a space in the
configuration file:p

Re: a few things

[Gregory Nowak]

Yes, this is correct.
I speak from personal experience.
You can get arround by creating a root partition from which lilo can boot.
This partition absolutely cannot exceed the maxium boot drive size required by your bios.
Greg


On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 08:54:57AM -0700, Holmes, Steve wrote:
> I wonder if your hard disk is too big.  I mean the disk being too large for
> normal booting  Windows gets around it with kludges and Linux (after booting
> can get around some of those issues without special kludges.  I think lilo
> requires a starting address low enough to boot properly.
> 
> Take a look at ide.txt in /usr/src/linux/Documentation for a brief
> explanation of some of this hard disk geometry stuff.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deedra Waters [mailto:dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:25 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: a few things
> 
> 
> we tried this and that didn't work. So we tried installing grub instead...
> but then we got the error with windows. still not sure what we're missing.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:02 AM
> Subject: Re: a few things
> 
> 
> > RE-install lilo. When it comes to the boot menu, pressing tab will give
> > you the options. You must type in any option other then the
> > default. The default will be marked with an astrick. You can change the
> > default by editing lilo.conf found in /etc then running lilo from a
> > command prompt.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> > If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

Congradulations.
Yes, punctuation and all that stuff continues to be important! <grin>

Yes, if computers only would do what we want and not what we say ... 

Let us know about life with grub after you've worked with for awhile, 
please.



On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:

> *cackle* We got it working with grub... he was missing a space in the
> configuration file:p
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

Yes, many more devices are supported under 2.4 kernels.

On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Chris Schulte wrote:

> Although they got the system finally working it brings up a point about
> different bioses and lilo.  I had Redhat 6.2 running with Speakup on a duel
> boot system with windows 98 and JFW for speech, but Redhat was installed on
> a seperate hard drive, and it is a forty-five gig drive. It worked just
> fine, as far as booting went, the problem was the abaility to mount anything
> other then the cd rom, after my braille lite blew up, I haven't been ablt to
> install redhat 7.1, which I have downloaded from Bill's site, but once I get
> a working synth, I'll do so, and I expect no problems running a duel boot
> system using lilo as the system manager, and having Lynux on that forty-five
> gig drive.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deedra Waters" <dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:40 PM
> Subject: Re: a few things
> 
> 
> > *cackle* We got it working with grub... he was missing a space in the
> > configuration file:p
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: a few things

[Deedra Waters]

heh what does that do:p
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tommy Moore" <stp@saitechinc.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 1:31 PM
Subject: RE: a few things


> Actually if that's the situation adding lba32 to the top of the file would
> work.
>
> Tommy
>
>
>
>
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> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: a few things

[Chris Schulte]

Although they got the system finally working it brings up a point about
different bioses and lilo.  I had Redhat 6.2 running with Speakup on a duel
boot system with windows 98 and JFW for speech, but Redhat was installed on
a seperate hard drive, and it is a forty-five gig drive. It worked just
fine, as far as booting went, the problem was the abaility to mount anything
other then the cd rom, after my braille lite blew up, I haven't been ablt to
install redhat 7.1, which I have downloaded from Bill's site, but once I get
a working synth, I'll do so, and I expect no problems running a duel boot
system using lilo as the system manager, and having Lynux on that forty-five
gig drive.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Deedra Waters" <dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: a few things


> *cackle* We got it working with grub... he was missing a space in the
> configuration file:p
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: a few things

[Deedra Waters]

40 gigs roughly
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@afb.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: a few things


> It means that some bios's still won't allow a boot above cylinder 1023.
> How big is Windows?
>
> On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:
>
> > ponders I don't really don't understand what that means. we have linux
on
> > the second partision with windows on the first we gave linux 15 gigs
> > to work with
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Holmes, Steve" <SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 11:54 AM
> > Subject: RE: a few things
> >
> >
> > > I wonder if your hard disk is too big.  I mean the disk being too
large
> > for
> > > normal booting  Windows gets around it with kludges and Linux (after
> > booting
> > > can get around some of those issues without special kludges.  I think
lilo
> > > requires a starting address low enough to boot properly.
> > >
> > > Take a look at ide.txt in /usr/src/linux/Documentation for a brief
> > > explanation of some of this hard disk geometry stuff.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Deedra Waters [mailto:dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:25 PM
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: Re: a few things
> > >
> > >
> > > we tried this and that didn't work. So we tried installing grub
instead...
> > > but then we got the error with windows. still not sure what we're
missing.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> > > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:02 AM
> > > Subject: Re: a few things
> > >
> > >
> > > > RE-install lilo. When it comes to the boot menu, pressing tab will
give
> > > > you the options. You must type in any option other then the
> > > > default. The default will be marked with an astrick. You can change
the
> > > > default by editing lilo.conf found in /etc then running lilo from a
> > > > command prompt.
> > > >
> > > > =======
> > > > Kirk Wood
> > > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > > >
> > > > The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> > > > If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Speakup mailing list
> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
>
> --
>
> Janina Sajka, Director
> Technology Research and Development
> Governmental Relations Group
> American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
> Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175
>
> Chair, Accessibility SIG
> Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> http://www.openebook.org
>
> Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
>
> Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
>
> Learn how to make accessible software at
> http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: a few things

[Deedra Waters]

ponders I don't really don't understand what that means. we have linux on
the second partision with windows on the first we gave linux 15 gigs
to work with
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holmes, Steve" <SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 11:54 AM
Subject: RE: a few things


> I wonder if your hard disk is too big.  I mean the disk being too large
for
> normal booting  Windows gets around it with kludges and Linux (after
booting
> can get around some of those issues without special kludges.  I think lilo
> requires a starting address low enough to boot properly.
>
> Take a look at ide.txt in /usr/src/linux/Documentation for a brief
> explanation of some of this hard disk geometry stuff.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Deedra Waters [mailto:dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:25 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: a few things
>
>
> we tried this and that didn't work. So we tried installing grub instead...
> but then we got the error with windows. still not sure what we're missing.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:02 AM
> Subject: Re: a few things
>
>
> > RE-install lilo. When it comes to the boot menu, pressing tab will give
> > you the options. You must type in any option other then the
> > default. The default will be marked with an astrick. You can change the
> > default by editing lilo.conf found in /etc then running lilo from a
> > command prompt.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> > If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

RE: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

Crash recovery is one concern in my design. I almost had it right before, 
and do now have it right. I know, because I had occassion to use my crash 
recovery plan a few weeks ago when a resize operation went very very wrong 
and I lost /usr and /home.

In my situation I was still able to boot in rescue mode. But, were that to 
have also failed, I have my / partition in an image file on a floptical 
orb disk which I create with dd. I would simply recreate the same size 
partition and restore / from image. The rest, /usr, /home, lives in bzip'd 
tar balls.

Let me say that I have fallen in love with dd. She's my hero. Recently I 
was working on Windows installing like a fool. Well, as you well know, 
speech support on Windows isn't as robust as speakup on linux. In 
particular, the boot process and early application loading isn't 
accessible on Windows. How Windows can be considered accessible under such 
circumstances is beyond me, but that's a different email.

I found my Windows was just getting too wacky. Obviously something was 
wrong, and I sure couldn't tell what. I was booting into safe mode, or I 
was having boots die and auto restart the computer. Useless.

So, I went back into linux and mounted my orb drive. I popped in my orb 
disk with Windows 98 on it and typed dd if=/orb/win98.img of=/dev/hda3. 
Then I went and read mail for five minutes. Bingo. Windows was back to a 
known, working state and I was able to have another go at installations. I 
think 5 minutes for restoring a 1.7 gig partition is pretty darned good. 
Sure beats the commercial Ghost software from Norton.


 On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote:

> Sounds like an interesting configuration indeed.  I thought a number of the
> linux directories such as /usr, bin, etc should be all in the same partition
> as utilities would be needed from there in order to complete mounting of the
> other partitions.  I am thinking more in the lines of creating a little 10
> to 20 meg linux partition to only contain stuff necessary for booting (like
> a lilo boot disk) and then have a root=/dev/hda2 or whatever and that
> partition could contain the rest - my complete root file system.  I think I
> will give this a try tonight; hey, what have I got to lose but some data I
> just recently installed:).
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:25 PM
> To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
> Subject: RE: a few things
> 
> 
> I would think that partitioning can solve this. Simply create a small 
> partition at the beginning of the disk for /. I should think 250 Mb would 
> be plenty. The rest can go elsewhere.
> 
> Here's how my IBM Thinkpad is configured:
> 
> hda1 linux 250 Mb
> hda2 linux hibernation-partition
> hda3 FAT Windows98 about 1.7 Gb
> hda5 linux /home about 8 Gb
> hda6 linux /usr about 2.7 Gb
> hda7 linux-swap about 127 Mb
> hda8 FAT 2 Gb
> hda9 FAT about 2Gb
> hda10 FAT about 2Gb
> 
>  On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Holmes, 
> Steve 
> wrote:
> 
> > I have got a machine at home where two IDE drives are involved.  The 40
> > megger I have in there boots fine, the original 425 megger boots OK in
> there
> > when I had it installed, but the 2.5 gigger does not!  Lilo hangs after
> > putting 3 or four characters on the screen.  That's why I tried booting
> with
> > the 40 meg drive and hung the 2.5 gig on /dev/hdc; that process worked
> fine
> > til I tried using 2.4 kernel.  Now I get "interrupt lost" over and over.
> I
> > may consider repartitioning the 2.5 gig drive and see what happens there.
> > The ide.txt file suggested issues possibly with jumper settings.  I messed
> > around with jumper settings for several hours last night and came up with
> no
> > new answers at all!  The sooner I can get away from those jumpers, the
> much
> > better off I'll be <sigh>.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Buddy Brannan [mailto:davros@ycardz.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:25 AM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: a few things
> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I don't think the hard disk size is the problem. Lilo has worked
> > around that issue by now, I believe.
> > 
> > However, here's a thought. At least, it happened to me once. Check
> > your motherboard's CMOS settings. If you have a virus detection in
> > your CMOS (built-in, not software like Mcafee), disable it, because it
> > thinks lilo is a boot sector virus. Confused the hell out of me!
> > Anyway, once that's done...well...that should help. BTW, lilo should
> > work fine...I know nothing about grub.
> > 
> 
> 

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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

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RE: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

The ext3 FAQ is at:

http://people.spoiled.org/jha/ext3-faq.html

Ext3 is available in the current Redhat beta called Roswell, which Bill 
has patched with speakup. The current Redhat designation is 7.1.94, and 
this will be Redhat 7.2 when released.

You may also want to look at the XFS site:

	http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/

They provide an XFS version of Redhat 7.1 for download. Of course, this 
does not contain speakup yet.



On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Holmes, Steve wrote:

> I guess the only other option would be to repartition the drive from scratch
> but then you lose all your data and have to reinstall the distro all over
> again. <yuck> sounds like windows to me:)
> 
> One other question, what are the advantages of Ext3 and who is using it now
> days?  I don't recall seeing it mentioned in slackware 8.0 either.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:03 PM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: a few things
> 
> 
> On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
> 
> > As mentioned in another post your bios *must* be able to read the portion
> > of the hard drive containing /boot. If your bios doesn't recognize the
> > entire drive, then you will want a small partition near the begining of
> > the drive. Making a drive like this into a dual boot situation might be
> > tough. I believe it is doable, but I haven't managed.
> 
> I have done this a lot, but only with Partition Magic which is not free. 
> Furthermore, it is now only sold for Windows. So, I'm unlikely to keep 
> doing this myself, as I have continued to use their old DOS product to 
> accomplish this kind of thing--and I've now moved to the ext3 file system, 
> which the old DOS Partition Magic doesn't, and never will support.
> 
> The reason this has worked so well for me--the feature in Partition Magic 
> which makes this work, and the feature seemingly missing in Part Ed is the 
> ability to move a partition. Part Ed will resize, but I do not see where 
> it will literally move a p[artition left or right.
> 
> 
> 
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				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

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RE: a few things

[Holmes, Steve]

Sounds like an interesting configuration indeed.  I thought a number of the
linux directories such as /usr, bin, etc should be all in the same partition
as utilities would be needed from there in order to complete mounting of the
other partitions.  I am thinking more in the lines of creating a little 10
to 20 meg linux partition to only contain stuff necessary for booting (like
a lilo boot disk) and then have a root=/dev/hda2 or whatever and that
partition could contain the rest - my complete root file system.  I think I
will give this a try tonight; hey, what have I got to lose but some data I
just recently installed:).

-----Original Message-----
From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:25 PM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: RE: a few things


I would think that partitioning can solve this. Simply create a small 
partition at the beginning of the disk for /. I should think 250 Mb would 
be plenty. The rest can go elsewhere.

Here's how my IBM Thinkpad is configured:

hda1 linux 250 Mb
hda2 linux hibernation-partition
hda3 FAT Windows98 about 1.7 Gb
hda5 linux /home about 8 Gb
hda6 linux /usr about 2.7 Gb
hda7 linux-swap about 127 Mb
hda8 FAT 2 Gb
hda9 FAT about 2Gb
hda10 FAT about 2Gb

 On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Holmes, 
Steve 
wrote:

> I have got a machine at home where two IDE drives are involved.  The 40
> megger I have in there boots fine, the original 425 megger boots OK in
there
> when I had it installed, but the 2.5 gigger does not!  Lilo hangs after
> putting 3 or four characters on the screen.  That's why I tried booting
with
> the 40 meg drive and hung the 2.5 gig on /dev/hdc; that process worked
fine
> til I tried using 2.4 kernel.  Now I get "interrupt lost" over and over.
I
> may consider repartitioning the 2.5 gig drive and see what happens there.
> The ide.txt file suggested issues possibly with jumper settings.  I messed
> around with jumper settings for several hours last night and came up with
no
> new answers at all!  The sooner I can get away from those jumpers, the
much
> better off I'll be <sigh>.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Buddy Brannan [mailto:davros@ycardz.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:25 AM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: a few things
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't think the hard disk size is the problem. Lilo has worked
> around that issue by now, I believe.
> 
> However, here's a thought. At least, it happened to me once. Check
> your motherboard's CMOS settings. If you have a virus detection in
> your CMOS (built-in, not software like Mcafee), disable it, because it
> thinks lilo is a boot sector virus. Confused the hell out of me!
> Anyway, once that's done...well...that should help. BTW, lilo should
> work fine...I know nothing about grub.
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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RE: a few things

[Tommy Moore]

I sent Deedra a lilo.conf file with the minimum commands and lets see what
happens there.

Tommy

RE: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

I would think that partitioning can solve this. Simply create a small 
partition at the beginning of the disk for /. I should think 250 Mb would 
be plenty. The rest can go elsewhere.

Here's how my IBM Thinkpad is configured:

hda1 linux 250 Mb
hda2 linux hibernation-partition
hda3 FAT Windows98 about 1.7 Gb
hda5 linux /home about 8 Gb
hda6 linux /usr about 2.7 Gb
hda7 linux-swap about 127 Mb
hda8 FAT 2 Gb
hda9 FAT about 2Gb
hda10 FAT about 2Gb

 On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Holmes, 
Steve 
wrote:

> I have got a machine at home where two IDE drives are involved.  The 40
> megger I have in there boots fine, the original 425 megger boots OK in there
> when I had it installed, but the 2.5 gigger does not!  Lilo hangs after
> putting 3 or four characters on the screen.  That's why I tried booting with
> the 40 meg drive and hung the 2.5 gig on /dev/hdc; that process worked fine
> til I tried using 2.4 kernel.  Now I get "interrupt lost" over and over.  I
> may consider repartitioning the 2.5 gig drive and see what happens there.
> The ide.txt file suggested issues possibly with jumper settings.  I messed
> around with jumper settings for several hours last night and came up with no
> new answers at all!  The sooner I can get away from those jumpers, the much
> better off I'll be <sigh>.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Buddy Brannan [mailto:davros@ycardz.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:25 AM
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: Re: a few things
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't think the hard disk size is the problem. Lilo has worked
> around that issue by now, I believe.
> 
> However, here's a thought. At least, it happened to me once. Check
> your motherboard's CMOS settings. If you have a virus detection in
> your CMOS (built-in, not software like Mcafee), disable it, because it
> thinks lilo is a boot sector virus. Confused the hell out of me!
> Anyway, once that's done...well...that should help. BTW, lilo should
> work fine...I know nothing about grub.
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

Re: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

Grub is likely here to stay because it does more to paint a pretty screen, 
as far as I can tell.

The reason I did not find it very usable when I had grub on my Thinkpad is 
that one could only use arrows to identify the kernel wanted. Not very 
helpful without feedback.

Of course, lilo gets around this with the label=, and especially with the 
alias= commands.
 On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I don't think the hard disk size is the problem. Lilo has worked
> around that issue by now, I believe.
> 
> However, here's a thought. At least, it happened to me once. Check
> your motherboard's CMOS settings. If you have a virus detection in
> your CMOS (built-in, not software like Mcafee), disable it, because it
> thinks lilo is a boot sector virus. Confused the hell out of me!
> Anyway, once that's done...well...that should help. BTW, lilo should
> work fine...I know nothing about grub.
> 

-- 
	
				Janina Sajka, Director
				Technology Research and Development
				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
http://www.openebook.org

Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp

Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp

Learn how to make accessible software at
http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp

RE: a few things

[Holmes, Steve]

I guess the only other option would be to repartition the drive from scratch
but then you lose all your data and have to reinstall the distro all over
again. <yuck> sounds like windows to me:)

One other question, what are the advantages of Ext3 and who is using it now
days?  I don't recall seeing it mentioned in slackware 8.0 either.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@afb.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:03 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: a few things


On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:

> As mentioned in another post your bios *must* be able to read the portion
> of the hard drive containing /boot. If your bios doesn't recognize the
> entire drive, then you will want a small partition near the begining of
> the drive. Making a drive like this into a dual boot situation might be
> tough. I believe it is doable, but I haven't managed.

I have done this a lot, but only with Partition Magic which is not free. 
Furthermore, it is now only sold for Windows. So, I'm unlikely to keep 
doing this myself, as I have continued to use their old DOS product to 
accomplish this kind of thing--and I've now moved to the ext3 file system, 
which the old DOS Partition Magic doesn't, and never will support.

The reason this has worked so well for me--the feature in Partition Magic 
which makes this work, and the feature seemingly missing in Part Ed is the 
ability to move a partition. Part Ed will resize, but I do not see where 
it will literally move a p[artition left or right.



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Re: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

Well, 40 gigs will pretty certainly take you above cylinder 1023, so it 
becomes a bios question. You might be able to get lilo to boot by using 
the following lilo command in the head section of /etc/lilo.conf:

lba32

Re: a few things

[Kirk Wood]

The operant question is: does your bios support the drive size? If it
does, then you have no problems. For a boot loading program to avoid this
would require a much larger program. You would end up with something along
the line of a disk translation program.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.

RE: a few things

[Tommy Moore]

Actually if that's the situation adding lba32 to the top of the file would
work.

Tommy

RE: a few things

[Holmes, Steve]

I have got a machine at home where two IDE drives are involved.  The 40
megger I have in there boots fine, the original 425 megger boots OK in there
when I had it installed, but the 2.5 gigger does not!  Lilo hangs after
putting 3 or four characters on the screen.  That's why I tried booting with
the 40 meg drive and hung the 2.5 gig on /dev/hdc; that process worked fine
til I tried using 2.4 kernel.  Now I get "interrupt lost" over and over.  I
may consider repartitioning the 2.5 gig drive and see what happens there.
The ide.txt file suggested issues possibly with jumper settings.  I messed
around with jumper settings for several hours last night and came up with no
new answers at all!  The sooner I can get away from those jumpers, the much
better off I'll be <sigh>.

-----Original Message-----
From: Buddy Brannan [mailto:davros@ycardz.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:25 AM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: a few things


Hi,

I don't think the hard disk size is the problem. Lilo has worked
around that issue by now, I believe.

However, here's a thought. At least, it happened to me once. Check
your motherboard's CMOS settings. If you have a virus detection in
your CMOS (built-in, not software like Mcafee), disable it, because it
thinks lilo is a boot sector virus. Confused the hell out of me!
Anyway, once that's done...well...that should help. BTW, lilo should
work fine...I know nothing about grub.
-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV    | From the pines down to the projects,
Email: davros@ycardz.com | Life pushes up through the cracks.
Phone: (972) 276-6360    | And it's only going forward,
ICQ: 36621210            | And it's never going back.--Small Potatoes

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Re: a few things

[Janina Sajka]

It means that some bios's still won't allow a boot above cylinder 1023. 
How big is Windows? 

On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Deedra Waters wrote:

> ponders I don't really don't understand what that means. we have linux on
> the second partision with windows on the first we gave linux 15 gigs
> to work with
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Holmes, Steve" <SAHolmes@ahcccs.state.az.us>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 11:54 AM
> Subject: RE: a few things
> 
> 
> > I wonder if your hard disk is too big.  I mean the disk being too large
> for
> > normal booting  Windows gets around it with kludges and Linux (after
> booting
> > can get around some of those issues without special kludges.  I think lilo
> > requires a starting address low enough to boot properly.
> >
> > Take a look at ide.txt in /usr/src/linux/Documentation for a brief
> > explanation of some of this hard disk geometry stuff.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deedra Waters [mailto:dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:25 PM
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: a few things
> >
> >
> > we tried this and that didn't work. So we tried installing grub instead...
> > but then we got the error with windows. still not sure what we're missing.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> > To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: a few things
> >
> >
> > > RE-install lilo. When it comes to the boot menu, pressing tab will give
> > > you the options. You must type in any option other then the
> > > default. The default will be marked with an astrick. You can change the
> > > default by editing lilo.conf found in /etc then running lilo from a
> > > command prompt.
> > >
> > > =======
> > > Kirk Wood
> > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > >
> > > The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> > > If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> > >
> > >
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				Governmental Relations Group
				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)

Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175

Chair, Accessibility SIG
Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
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Re: a few things

[Buddy Brannan]

Hi,

I don't think the hard disk size is the problem. Lilo has worked
around that issue by now, I believe.

However, here's a thought. At least, it happened to me once. Check
your motherboard's CMOS settings. If you have a virus detection in
your CMOS (built-in, not software like Mcafee), disable it, because it
thinks lilo is a boot sector virus. Confused the hell out of me!
Anyway, once that's done...well...that should help. BTW, lilo should
work fine...I know nothing about grub.
-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV    | From the pines down to the projects,
Email: davros@ycardz.com | Life pushes up through the cracks.
Phone: (972) 276-6360    | And it's only going forward,
ICQ: 36621210            | And it's never going back.--Small Potatoes

RE: a few things

[Holmes, Steve]

I wonder if your hard disk is too big.  I mean the disk being too large for
normal booting  Windows gets around it with kludges and Linux (after booting
can get around some of those issues without special kludges.  I think lilo
requires a starting address low enough to boot properly.

Take a look at ide.txt in /usr/src/linux/Documentation for a brief
explanation of some of this hard disk geometry stuff.

-----Original Message-----
From: Deedra Waters [mailto:dmwaters@tampabay.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:25 PM
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: Re: a few things


we tried this and that didn't work. So we tried installing grub instead...
but then we got the error with windows. still not sure what we're missing.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: a few things


> RE-install lilo. When it comes to the boot menu, pressing tab will give
> you the options. You must type in any option other then the
> default. The default will be marked with an astrick. You can change the
> default by editing lilo.conf found in /etc then running lilo from a
> command prompt.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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