Re: triple talk internal/external

Re: triple talk internal/external

[Gregory Nowak]

I just had an idea and wondered if its doable.
What if the FSF signed all those non-disclosure agreements? Then we could have gpl Linux drivers, right or not?
Greg



> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Saqib Shaikh" <ss@saqibshaikh.com
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:51:00 +0100
>Subject: Re: triple talk internal/external

>Ok, firstly about the trippletalk.  The manufacturers will not give the
>specifications unless someone signs a non disclosure agreement, which isn't
>possible in the opensource world.  however, maybe if kirk got his hands on
>one i'm sure he could figure out how to get one to work.  as for your other
>query, there is zipspeak.  i have taken over development of zipspeak, but
>have not been able to upload to the internet because i'm stuck on a 56 k
>modem for another 4 weeks.  after this it'll be on the net.  however, maybe as
>a one off i can mail you the cd? zipspeak will work if you unzip it to a dos
>or win9x partition.
>this'll work with the doubletalk lt.
>write me privately on ss@saqibshaikh.com if you need more help.
>saqib



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Re: triple talk internal/external

[Buddy Brannan]

Nope. The FSF just came up with the license...they would still be
bound by the terms of the NDA, and they don't release all GPL
software. (Besides, rms says he'll never sign a NDA. Good amn, that
rms.) Sorry, it wouldn't work that way.
-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV    | From the pines down to the projects,
Email: davros@ycardz.com | Life pushes up through the cracks.
Phone: (972) 276-6360    | And it's only going forward,
ICQ: 36621210            | And it's never going back.--Small Potatoes

Re: triple talk internal/external

[Kirk Wood]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> I just had an idea and wondered if its doable.
> What if the FSF signed all those non-disclosure agreements? Then we
> could have gpl Linux drivers, right or not?

The problem is that if the driver is gpl, then said driver would violate
any non-disclosure. If you release source code, then you reveal the
interface. It would be possible to release a driver avaialable for free
download. But you couldn't release the source code and thus not use the
gpl.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.

Re: triple talk internal/external

[Gregory Nowak]

I thought as much, but wondering/asking
never hurts.
Greg


On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 12:19:12AM -0500, Kirk Wood wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> > I just had an idea and wondered if its doable.
> > What if the FSF signed all those non-disclosure agreements? Then we
> > could have gpl Linux drivers, right or not?
> 
> The problem is that if the driver is gpl, then said driver would violate
> any non-disclosure. If you release source code, then you reveal the
> interface. It would be possible to release a driver avaialable for free
> download. But you couldn't release the source code and thus not use the
> gpl.
> 
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> 
> The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: triple talk internal/external

[Charles Crawford]

What about the GW Sounding Board internal card?  I guess it is not 
supported in hardware these days.

-- Charlie Crawford.
At 07:03 PM 08/23/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Now I can't try this with Artic now can I about the 215 internal Card huh!
>as they don't sell it anymore but would sure love to use this in a linux
>box to free-up the serial port for an external modem.
>
>Sorry! couldn't resist this one!
>
>Amanda Lee
>
>
>On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Jim Ruby wrote:
> > > So what can we all do as linux via speakup or whatever users, write 
> them and ask them to release the specs?  If so, lets all send them a 
> letter and request that they think about making this available.  It is 
> not like it
> > > will loose them money or could it?
> >
> > Better to write and inform them that while you would consider purchasing
> > their product, you won't unless/until their release their specs so that
> > a drive could be written for Speakup.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> > The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> > If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
> >
> >
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Re: triple talk internal/external

[Amanda Lee]

Ya never know! .....  -  Amanda



On 23 Aug 2001, Kirk Reiser wrote:

> Sorry, the Artic 210/215 have no brights built-in so you would have to
> have a tts driver.  That would make the Sounding Board and Accent
> Messenger available also.  Anyone game?
>
>   Kirk
>
> --
>
> Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
> e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
> phone: (519) 661-3061
>
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Re: triple talk internal/external

[Kirk Reiser]

Sorry, the Artic 210/215 have no brights built-in so you would have to
have a tts driver.  That would make the Sounding Board and Accent
Messenger available also.  Anyone game?

  Kirk

-- 

Kirk Reiser				The Computer Braille Facility
e-mail: kirk@braille.uwo.ca		University of Western Ontario
phone: (519) 661-3061

Re: triple talk internal/external

[Kirk Wood]

On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Jim Ruby wrote:
> So what can we all do as linux via speakup or whatever users, write them and ask them to release the specs?  If so, lets all send them a letter and request that they think about making this available.  It is not like it 
> will loose them money or could it?

Better to write and inform them that while you would consider purchasing
their product, you won't unless/until their release their specs so that
a drive could be written for Speakup.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.

Re: triple talk internal/external

[Amanda Lee]

Now I can't try this with Artic now can I about the 215 internal Card huh!
as they don't sell it anymore but would sure love to use this in a linux
box to free-up the serial port for an external modem.

Sorry! couldn't resist this one!

Amanda Lee


On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Kirk Wood wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Aug 2001, Jim Ruby wrote:
> > So what can we all do as linux via speakup or whatever users, write them and ask them to release the specs?  If so, lets all send them a letter and request that they think about making this available.  It is not like it
> > will loose them money or could it?
>
> Better to write and inform them that while you would consider purchasing
> their product, you won't unless/until their release their specs so that
> a drive could be written for Speakup.
>
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>
> The mind is like a parachute; it works much better when open.
> If you're too open minded, your brains will fall out.
>
>
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: triple talk internal/external

[Jim Ruby]

So what can we all do as linux via speakup or whatever users, write them and ask them to release the specs?  If so, lets all send them a letter and request that they think about making this available.  It is not like it 
will loose them money or could it?
On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 05:41:08 +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:

>no, it was really easy to get the doubletalk specs, they just put the
>detailsin the manual and are willing to help any developer.
>saqib
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Ruby" <jruby@charter.net>
>To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:35 AM
>Subject: Re: triple talk internal/external
>
>
>> I can't beleive this company would require a non disclosure agreement as
>the blind comunity just has such good access to everyting and no road blocks
>to deal with.  I guess if I would of known this I would not be
>> quite so keen on buying products from them.  I think I will write them a
>letter asking why.  Was it hard to get the double talk specs?
>>
>>
>> ,
>>
>> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:51:00 +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
>>
>> >Ok, firstly about the trippletalk. The manufacturers will not give the
>> >specifications unless someone signs a non disclosure agreement, which
>isn't
>> >possible in the opensource world. however, maybe if kirk got his hands on
>> >one i'm sure he could figure out how to get one to work. as for your
>other
>> >query, there is zipspeak. i have taken over development of zipspeak, but
>> >have not been able to upload to the internet because i'm stuck on a 56 k
>> >modem for another 4 weeks. after this it'll be on the net. however, maybe
>as
>> >a one off i can mail you the cd? zipspeak will work if you unzip it to a
>dos
>> >or win9x partition.
>> >this'll work with the doubletalk lt.
>> >write me privately on ss@saqibshaikh.com if you need more help.
>> >saqib
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Speakup mailing list
>> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
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Re: triple talk internal/external

[Saqib Shaikh]

no, it was really easy to get the doubletalk specs, they just put the
detailsin the manual and are willing to help any developer.
saqib

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ruby" <jruby@charter.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: triple talk internal/external


> I can't beleive this company would require a non disclosure agreement as
the blind comunity just has such good access to everyting and no road blocks
to deal with.  I guess if I would of known this I would not be
> quite so keen on buying products from them.  I think I will write them a
letter asking why.  Was it hard to get the double talk specs?
>
>
> ,
>
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:51:00 +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
>
> >Ok, firstly about the trippletalk. The manufacturers will not give the
> >specifications unless someone signs a non disclosure agreement, which
isn't
> >possible in the opensource world. however, maybe if kirk got his hands on
> >one i'm sure he could figure out how to get one to work. as for your
other
> >query, there is zipspeak. i have taken over development of zipspeak, but
> >have not been able to upload to the internet because i'm stuck on a 56 k
> >modem for another 4 weeks. after this it'll be on the net. however, maybe
as
> >a one off i can mail you the cd? zipspeak will work if you unzip it to a
dos
> >or win9x partition.
> >this'll work with the doubletalk lt.
> >write me privately on ss@saqibshaikh.com if you need more help.
> >saqib
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
>
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Re: triple talk internal/external

[Thomas D. Ward]

Hi, you shouldn't have any problems with the Double Talk LT.
As far  as Linux Zip Speak is probably the way to go here.
Mandrake can be installed to a fat 32 partition, but takes lots of help from
someone sighted to get going with speech.
Although, Mandrake has a lot of nice features you don't see everywhere else,
but the accessability angle is a pain.
Zip Speak can be unzipped right onto the hard drive, edit a couple of files,
and run loadlin, and you should be well on your way to go.

Re: triple talk internal/external

[Janina Sajka]

I don't this company is even a they. I think it's strictly one guy.

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Jim Ruby wrote:

> I can't beleive this company would require a non disclosure agreement as the blind comunity just has such good access to everyting and no road blocks to deal with.  I guess if I would of known this I would not be
> quite so keen on buying products from them.  I think I will write them a letter asking why.  Was it hard to get the double talk specs?
>
>
> ,
>
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:51:00 +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:
>
> >Ok, firstly about the trippletalk. The manufacturers will not give the
> >specifications unless someone signs a non disclosure agreement, which isn't
> >possible in the opensource world. however, maybe if kirk got his hands on
> >one i'm sure he could figure out how to get one to work. as for your other
> >query, there is zipspeak. i have taken over development of zipspeak, but
> >have not been able to upload to the internet because i'm stuck on a 56 k
> >modem for another 4 weeks. after this it'll be on the net. however, maybe as
> >a one off i can mail you the cd? zipspeak will work if you unzip it to a dos
> >or win9x partition.
> >this'll work with the doubletalk lt.
> >write me privately on ss@saqibshaikh.com if you need more help.
> >saqib
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Speakup mailing list
> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>
>
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Re: triple talk internal/external

[Buddy Brannan]

Heck no! The Doubletalk specs are all published in their user manuals
and on the Web site. Randy's a first-rate kinda guy!
-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV    | From the pines down to the projects,
Email: davros@ycardz.com | Life pushes up through the cracks.
Phone: (972) 276-6360    | And it's only going forward,
ICQ: 36621210            | And it's never going back.--Small Potatoes

Re: triple talk internal/external

[Jim Ruby]

I can't beleive this company would require a non disclosure agreement as the blind comunity just has such good access to everyting and no road blocks to deal with.  I guess if I would of known this I would not be 
quite so keen on buying products from them.  I think I will write them a letter asking why.  Was it hard to get the double talk specs?


, 

On Wed, 22 Aug 2001 23:51:00 +0100, Saqib Shaikh wrote:

>Ok, firstly about the trippletalk. The manufacturers will not give the
>specifications unless someone signs a non disclosure agreement, which isn't
>possible in the opensource world. however, maybe if kirk got his hands on
>one i'm sure he could figure out how to get one to work. as for your other
>query, there is zipspeak. i have taken over development of zipspeak, but
>have not been able to upload to the internet because i'm stuck on a 56 k
>modem for another 4 weeks. after this it'll be on the net. however, maybe as
>a one off i can mail you the cd? zipspeak will work if you unzip it to a dos
>or win9x partition.
>this'll work with the doubletalk lt.
>write me privately on ss@saqibshaikh.com if you need more help.
>saqib
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: triple talk internal/external

[Saqib Shaikh]

Ok, firstly about the trippletalk. The manufacturers will not give the
specifications unless someone signs a non disclosure agreement, which isn't
possible in the opensource world. however, maybe if kirk got his hands on
one i'm sure he could figure out how to get one to work. as for your other
query, there is zipspeak. i have taken over development of zipspeak, but
have not been able to upload to the internet because i'm stuck on a 56 k
modem for another 4 weeks. after this it'll be on the net. however, maybe as
a one off i can mail you the cd? zipspeak will work if you unzip it to a dos
or win9x partition.
this'll work with the doubletalk lt.
write me privately on ss@saqibshaikh.com if you need more help.
saqib

triple talk internal/external

[Jim Ruby]

Hi,

I've been of the speakup list for a while and with all the problems of windows xp and microsoft it is time to take another look at linux.  I have not used speakup since version x.7 or x.9 and am sure there have been 
improvements.  I'm wondering if speakup will work with the internal triple talk wich is the same as a double talk pc but uses a pci slot.  Also would it work with the external triple talk wich has an usb and serial 
connection.

It is my understanding that these are the same as a double talk, just updated to use pci and usb.

Also I'm wondering what would be the best flavor of linux to install and try out that is the easiest to install with speakup

I don't want to partision my hard drive at this point if I don't have to as I'd like to see if this is something I'm going to want to keep learning/using.  So if I can install on a win 98 se system or windows me system, that 
would be great.
The systems I want to use it on are
dell inspiron 7500 with external double talk lt
desk top system with triple talk internal.

Thanks for any input.