kernel 2.2.18 help please

kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Gregory Nowak]

Hi all,

I have just successfully compiled and installed the 2.2.18 kernel with speakup 0.10a on slackware 7.1.  Everything works fine, and I'm able to boot and login and everything is normal.  However, I noticed that as the system boots, the kernel reports that it's missing the slip, ppp, and some other modules (my nic's among them).  Also, i have built the support for my sblive card directly into the kernel.  At boot up, the driver finds the card, reports its model, version, irq, base i-o and all that good stuff.  However, when I do 'play ' wave file, it says that slash dev slash dsp is not found.  What's wrong? Should I hear some sound from linux on boot up like you do in windblows?

Also, now that I have USB scanner support, I remember reading something on the list about a command-line OCR program.  What is it called, is it accurate (compared to openbook ruby for windblows), how can I get it, and how much is it? Come to think of it, I think it was referred to as ocrshop, but I'm not sure.  Thanks in advance for any help.

Greg
P.S.  Sorry about typing out the slashes, but I'm writing this on a braille note, and it doesn't let you switch to computer braille in the middle of a message.

p.s.2 About that hpt 366 controller on my mother board that I mentioned in a post a while back ...  I compiled ata 66 support into the kernel, and it still doesn't see either of the controllers or the hd attached to one of them.

Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Terry D. Cudney]

Hi Greg,

	You need to run the snddevices script to create the devices in /dev. read the INSTALL file in the alsa-driver directory (source directory) for detaiols).

	re ocr, the OCRshop is a comercial package from the UK. There is also gocr (or jocr) that is freely available. I have no experience with either of these, so you're on your own there.

	HTH
		--terry

You wrote:

-=> Hi all,
-=>
-=> I have just successfully compiled and installed the 2.2.18 kernel with speakup 0.10a on slackware 7.1.  Everything works fine, and I'm able to boot and login and everything is normal.  However, I noticed that as the system boots, the kernel reports that it's missing the slip, ppp, and some other modules (my nic's among them).  Also, i have built the support for my sblive card directly into the kernel.  At boot up, the driver finds the card, reports its model, version, irq, base i-o and all that good stuff.  However, when I do 'play ' wave file, it says that slash dev slash dsp is not found.  What's wrong? Should I hear some sound from linux on boot up like you do in windblows?
-=>
-=> Also, now that I have USB scanner support, I remember reading something on the list about a command-line OCR program.  What is it called, is it accurate (compared to openbook ruby for windblows), how can I get it, and how much is it? Come to think of it, I think it was referred to as ocrshop, but I'm not sure.  Thanks in advance for any help.
-=>
-=> Greg
-=> P.S.  Sorry about typing out the slashes, but I'm writing this on a braille note, and it doesn't let you switch to computer braille in the middle of a message.
-=>
-=> p.s.2 About that hpt 366 controller on my mother board that I mentioned in a post a while back ...  I compiled ata 66 support into the kernel, and it still doesn't see either of the controllers or the hd attached to one of them.
-=>
-=>
-=>
-=> _______________________________________________
-=> Speakup mailing list
-=> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
-=> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
-=>

		--terry

Name:	Terry D. Cudney
Phone:	(905)735-6127
E-mail:	terry@wasagacottage.com
WWW:	www.wasagacottage.com



Q:	What's tiny and yellow and very, very, dangerous?
A:	A canary with the super-user password.

Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

OK, one question at a time.  The PPP and network card modules.  Did you do
a "make modules" and "make modules_install" when you compiled the kernel?
If not, that's why it's not working.  You should be able to go to your
kernel tree and just do this and reboot.

With the dsp thing, first we need to determine where the problem is.  Do
you get this error if you try playing a file as root?  If not, then you
need to put yourself in the group that owns the device.  It's probably
audio.  Do:

ls -l /dev/dsp0

It's probably owned by root and the audio group.  Take a look in /etc/group
to see if you're in the appropriate group.  The format of the group file
is:

<group-name>:x:<group-ID>:<user1>,<user2>,<user3>

For example, my audio entry looks like this:

audio:x:29:geoff,amanda

You'll need to ensure that your user-level account is in the group that has
write permission to the dsp0 device.  You'll want to ensure that the
permissions on this device are something like:

crw-rw----

You'lll want to check this for /dev/audio0 as well.

Let me know if I've lost you <grin>

As for OCR, there seem to be 2 options available.  The ocrshop thing I've
not fiddled with but it seems to be a goer if you want to pay US$100.  It
apparently has the omnipage 8 OCR engine.  The other is a GPL project
called gocr (or jocr, depending on who you ask).  It has some way to go in
quality, but hey it's free.  From what I've heard, ruby pretty much leads
the way in OCR, so anything else pretty much is going to pull up short (I'm
happy to be contradicted on this though).

Geoff.

Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

Terry, I don't think he's using alsa, he talked about compiling into the
kernel.  though i could be wrong.

Geoff.

Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Gregory Nowak]

Hi,

Yes, I did make modules and make modules_install. I can't play the file when
I'm logged in as root. As for the permissions on dsp0, I'll let you know
about that at the earliest on Friday if I don't forget. Thanks for the help.
Greg


----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Shang" <gshang@uq.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please


> Hi:
>
> OK, one question at a time.  The PPP and network card modules.  Did you do
> a "make modules" and "make modules_install" when you compiled the kernel?
> If not, that's why it's not working.  You should be able to go to your
> kernel tree and just do this and reboot.
>
> With the dsp thing, first we need to determine where the problem is.  Do
> you get this error if you try playing a file as root?  If not, then you
> need to put yourself in the group that owns the device.  It's probably
> audio.  Do:
>
> ls -l /dev/dsp0
>
> It's probably owned by root and the audio group.  Take a look in
/etc/group
> to see if you're in the appropriate group.  The format of the group file
> is:
>
> <group-name>:x:<group-ID>:<user1>,<user2>,<user3>
>
> For example, my audio entry looks like this:
>
> audio:x:29:geoff,amanda
>
> You'll need to ensure that your user-level account is in the group that
has
> write permission to the dsp0 device.  You'll want to ensure that the
> permissions on this device are something like:
>
> crw-rw----
>
> You'lll want to check this for /dev/audio0 as well.
>
> Let me know if I've lost you <grin>
>
> As for OCR, there seem to be 2 options available.  The ocrshop thing I've
> not fiddled with but it seems to be a goer if you want to pay US$100.  It
> apparently has the omnipage 8 OCR engine.  The other is a GPL project
> called gocr (or jocr, depending on who you ask).  It has some way to go in
> quality, but hey it's free.  From what I've heard, ruby pretty much leads
> the way in OCR, so anything else pretty much is going to pull up short
(I'm
> happy to be contradicted on this though).
>
> Geoff.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Gregory Nowak]

I'm not sure what I'm using, although it may be alsa. All I know is that I
answered 'y' to sblive support and sound os support when I did make config.
Greg


----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Shang" <gshang@uq.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please


> Hi:
>
> Terry, I don't think he's using alsa, he talked about compiling into the
> kernel.  though i could be wrong.
>
> Geoff.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Geoff Shang]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:

> I'm not sure what I'm using, although it may be alsa. All I know is that I
> answered 'y' to sblive support and sound os support when I did make config.

You're using the oss-free drivers that come with the kernel.  The alsa
drivers are completely seperate and you'd know if you were using them as
you have to compile them seperately.

Geoff.

RE: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Georgina Joyce]

Hi

If you've compiled ppp and slip into your new kernel, or you don't require
them, you can amend the /etc/rc.d/rc.modules file.  Simply insert a "£"
symbol in front of the slip and ppp lines, they are clearly marked with an
introductory line, so you can search for "ppp" with your favourite editor.
and make your amendments.

As for the sound, I too have SB Live, but couldn't get it to work properly
either.  The guys on the reflector advised me to use the alsa drivers, which
seem to be a lot better.  Perhaps, someone more experienced can explain the
difference and why we can't get the emu10k1 driver to work without being a
part of the alsa package.






Gena

gena@visson.freeserve.co.uk g.joyce@uclan.ac.uk

http://www.visson.freeserve.co.uk

Mobile Telephone Number 07951 196268


-----Original Message-----
From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
[mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak
Sent: 05 March 2001 02:29
To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
Subject: kernel 2.2.18 help please


Hi all,

I have just successfully compiled and installed the 2.2.18 kernel with
speakup 0.10a on slackware 7.1.  Everything works fine, and I'm able to boot
and login and everything is normal.  However, I noticed that as the system
boots, the kernel reports that it's missing the slip, ppp, and some other
modules (my nic's among them).  Also, i have built the support for my sblive
card directly into the kernel.  At boot up, the driver finds the card,
reports its model, version, irq, base i-o and all that good stuff.  However,
when I do 'play ' wave file, it says that slash dev slash dsp is not found.
What's wrong? Should I hear some sound from linux on boot up like you do in
windblows?

Also, now that I have USB scanner support, I remember reading something on
the list about a command-line OCR program.  What is it called, is it
accurate (compared to openbook ruby for windblows), how can I get it, and
how much is it? Come to think of it, I think it was referred to as ocrshop,
but I'm not sure.  Thanks in advance for any help.

Greg
P.S.  Sorry about typing out the slashes, but I'm writing this on a braille
note, and it doesn't let you switch to computer braille in the middle of a
message.

p.s.2 About that hpt 366 controller on my mother board that I mentioned in a
post a while back ...  I compiled ata 66 support into the kernel, and it
still doesn't see either of the controllers or the hd attached to one of
them.



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Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Terry D. Cudney]

Hi Greg and Geoff,

	Greg, Geoff is right, confirmed by your message below. If you choose anything besides sound support when configuring the kernel, and you didn't install the Alsa stuff (You'd know if you did), then you're using the OSS soound system, not alsa.

	Thanks Geoff...

	HTH


You wrote:

-=> I'm not sure what I'm using, although it may be alsa. All I know is that I
-=> answered 'y' to sblive support and sound os support when I did make config.
-=> Greg
-=>
-=>
-=> ----- Original Message -----
-=> From: "Geoff Shang" <gshang@uq.net.au>
-=> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
-=> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 9:05 PM
-=> Subject: Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please
-=>
-=>
-=> > Hi:
-=> >
-=> > Terry, I don't think he's using alsa, he talked about compiling into the
-=> > kernel.  though i could be wrong.
-=> >
-=> > Geoff.
-=> >
-=> >
-=> > _______________________________________________
-=> > Speakup mailing list
-=> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
-=> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
-=> >
-=>
-=>
-=> _______________________________________________
-=> Speakup mailing list
-=> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
-=> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
-=>

		--terry

Name:	Terry D. Cudney
Phone:	(905)735-6127
E-mail:	terry@wasagacottage.com
WWW:	www.wasagacottage.com



Q:	What's tiny and yellow and very, very, dangerous?
A:	A canary with the super-user password.

Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Gregory Nowak]

Since it sounds like they're better then the kernel support which I'm using
now, then where do I download the newest version of them from?
Also, while I'm on the topic of downloading, where can I get gocr/jocr from?
Greg


----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Shang" <gshang@uq.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please


> On Sun, 4 Mar 2001, Gregory Nowak wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure what I'm using, although it may be alsa. All I know is that
I
> > answered 'y' to sblive support and sound os support when I did make
config.
>
> You're using the oss-free drivers that come with the kernel.  The alsa
> drivers are completely seperate and you'd know if you were using them as
> you have to compile them seperately.
>
> Geoff.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Gregory Nowak]

Hi,

When I install a new kernel and do make modules and make modules_install and
make dep, then does the process generate a brand new rc.modules file, or
does it keep the old one? If it keeps the old one, then can I wipe it and
cause the system to create one from scratch? Thanks
Greg


----- Original Message -----
From: "Georgina Joyce" <gena@visson.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 5:41 AM
Subject: RE: kernel 2.2.18 help please


> Hi
>
> If you've compiled ppp and slip into your new kernel, or you don't require
> them, you can amend the /etc/rc.d/rc.modules file.  Simply insert a "£"
> symbol in front of the slip and ppp lines, they are clearly marked with an
> introductory line, so you can search for "ppp" with your favourite editor.
> and make your amendments.
>
> As for the sound, I too have SB Live, but couldn't get it to work properly
> either.  The guys on the reflector advised me to use the alsa drivers,
which
> seem to be a lot better.  Perhaps, someone more experienced can explain
the
> difference and why we can't get the emu10k1 driver to work without being a
> part of the alsa package.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Gena
>
> gena@visson.freeserve.co.uk g.joyce@uclan.ac.uk
>
> http://www.visson.freeserve.co.uk
>
> Mobile Telephone Number 07951 196268
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak
> Sent: 05 March 2001 02:29
> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> Subject: kernel 2.2.18 help please
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have just successfully compiled and installed the 2.2.18 kernel with
> speakup 0.10a on slackware 7.1.  Everything works fine, and I'm able to
boot
> and login and everything is normal.  However, I noticed that as the system
> boots, the kernel reports that it's missing the slip, ppp, and some other
> modules (my nic's among them).  Also, i have built the support for my
sblive
> card directly into the kernel.  At boot up, the driver finds the card,
> reports its model, version, irq, base i-o and all that good stuff.
However,
> when I do 'play ' wave file, it says that slash dev slash dsp is not
found.
> What's wrong? Should I hear some sound from linux on boot up like you do
in
> windblows?
>
> Also, now that I have USB scanner support, I remember reading something on
> the list about a command-line OCR program.  What is it called, is it
> accurate (compared to openbook ruby for windblows), how can I get it, and
> how much is it? Come to think of it, I think it was referred to as
ocrshop,
> but I'm not sure.  Thanks in advance for any help.
>
> Greg
> P.S.  Sorry about typing out the slashes, but I'm writing this on a
braille
> note, and it doesn't let you switch to computer braille in the middle of a
> message.
>
> p.s.2 About that hpt 366 controller on my mother board that I mentioned in
a
> post a while back ...  I compiled ata 66 support into the kernel, and it
> still doesn't see either of the controllers or the hd attached to one of
> them.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

The modules file is not system-generated.  If you blow it away, you'll have
to rebuild it from scratch.  The reason why this is is that you need to
instruct the system which modules are to be loaded and what, if any,
parameters to pass to them.

However, you did mention something in your message that caught my
attention.  make dep is one of the earlier parts of the kernel process and,
I think, would need to be run before make modules and make modules_install.

Geoff.

Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

The alsa 0.9 betas are out, but I'd avoid them for now if I were you (I
only know 2 people who've gotten them to work).  Get 0.5.10B.  You will
need to download the driver, the lib and the utils from
http://www.alsa-project.org.  Installing them can be a bit of a headache,
so let us know if you need assistance.  But they definitely work better
than the ossfree drivers.

You can get jocr from http://jocr.sourceforge.net.

Geoff.

Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Gregory Nowak]

Hi Geoff and all,

I did "make dep" right after doing make config and before doing "make
modules" and "make modules_install."
Also if I decide to blow away my rc.modules file just for my peace of mind,
then how do I generate one from scratch? I was also wondering ... the only
file I downloaded is kernel-2.2.18.tar.gz. Should I have downloaded anything
such as modutils? If so, then which version. Thanks for the help.
Greg


----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Shang" <gshang@uq.net.au>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please


> Hi:
>
> The modules file is not system-generated.  If you blow it away, you'll
have
> to rebuild it from scratch.  The reason why this is is that you need to
> instruct the system which modules are to be loaded and what, if any,
> parameters to pass to them.
>
> However, you did mention something in your message that caught my
> attention.  make dep is one of the earlier parts of the kernel process
and,
> I think, would need to be run before make modules and make
modules_install.
>
> Geoff.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>

Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Kirk Wood]

I would recomend that you make a copy of your rc.modules and then comment
out the lines you don't need instead of trying to generate a new one. Most
distributions throw everything into modules for maximum flexability. 

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Nothing is hard if you know the answer or are used to doing it.

Re: kernel 2.2.18 help please

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

I might just point out (in case it's relevant), that rc.modules in only in
distributions like slackware that use the BSD setup (I think that's what
it's called).  Redhat and debian use the system v setup which seems to load
modules per application, rather than in one place.  I guess there's
something to be said for both methods.

Geoff.