partial success - still need help

partial success - still need help

[tyler spivey]

ok, i can make speakup probe for my decpc, i set speakup for decext.
i am using commo term prog, i set capture to com3 mode raw.
when i use say line or shut up, it takes several minutes to process the data.
what could cause this? would dectalk express driver cause a better delay? 
one that aint
so long?
or iss it my comm prog? what others can capture raw text and send it out 
right away?
- tyler the adventures

Re: partial success - still need help

[Kirk Wood]

On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, tyler spivey wrote:

> ok, i can make speakup probe for my decpc, i set speakup for decext.
> i am using commo term prog, i set capture to com3 mode raw.
> when i use say line or shut up, it takes several minutes to process the data.
> what could cause this? would dectalk express driver cause a better delay? 

I am guessing your synth is on what DOS would call com1. As such it would
be sharing an IRQ with com3. Since they share an IRQ when you issue a
command for the synth, it must wait in line for the activity on com3 to
subside. The answer isn't drivers. The answer is reconfigure your
hardware. In dos you can actually make continous use of com1 com2 and
com5. Skip 3 and 4.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Re: partial success - still need help

[Kerry Hoath]

If the ports are on the isa bus they can't share an interrupt without the risc
of burning the bus driver.
Some synths _require_ the irq to show up and require to receive, but some dos
screen
readers do not use the interrupts, speakup needs to read from the synth.
On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 08:51:26PM -0500, Kirk Wood wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, tyler spivey wrote:
> 
> > ok, i can make speakup probe for my decpc, i set speakup for decext.
> > i am using commo term prog, i set capture to com3 mode raw.
> > when i use say line or shut up, it takes several minutes to process the data.
> > what could cause this? would dectalk express driver cause a better delay? 
> 
> I am guessing your synth is on what DOS would call com1. As such it would
> be sharing an IRQ with com3. Since they share an IRQ when you issue a
> command for the synth, it must wait in line for the activity on com3 to
> subside. The answer isn't drivers. The answer is reconfigure your
> hardware. In dos you can actually make continous use of com1 com2 and
> com5. Skip 3 and 4.
> 
> =======
> Kirk Wood
> Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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ICQ UIN: 62823451

Re: partial success - still need help

[tyler spivey]

i have a dectalk pc
nullmodem com2 decpc emulated com3 dont think anythings on com1
it works if i type directory from dos directly

At 01:04 PM 10/26/00 +1100, you wrote:
>If the ports are on the isa bus they can't share an interrupt without the risc
>of burning the bus driver.
>Some synths _require_ the irq to show up and require to receive, but some dos
>screen
>readers do not use the interrupts, speakup needs to read from the synth.
>On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 08:51:26PM -0500, Kirk Wood wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, tyler spivey wrote:
> >
> > > ok, i can make speakup probe for my decpc, i set speakup for decext.
> > > i am using commo term prog, i set capture to com3 mode raw.
> > > when i use say line or shut up, it takes several minutes to process 
> the data.
> > > what could cause this? would dectalk express driver cause a better 
> delay?
> >
> > I am guessing your synth is on what DOS would call com1. As such it would
> > be sharing an IRQ with com3. Since they share an IRQ when you issue a
> > command for the synth, it must wait in line for the activity on com3 to
> > subside. The answer isn't drivers. The answer is reconfigure your
> > hardware. In dos you can actually make continous use of com1 com2 and
> > com5. Skip 3 and 4.
> >
> > =======
> > Kirk Wood
> > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>--
>--
>Kerry Hoath: kerry@gotss.eu.org
>Alternates: kerry@emusys.com.au kerry@gotss.spice.net.au or khoath@lis.net.au
>ICQ UIN: 62823451
>
>
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Re: partial success - still need help

[Kerry Hoath]

That driver doesn't emulate the hardware; it only emulates the int14 bios
interface and no interrupts. The dectalk PC is not a serial device at all;
it just _looks_ like one to your screen reader and software hence there is no
current speakup driver for it but it is beeing worked on.
Basically you can't do it. use a serial console. I don't understand why this
isn't an option it works perfectly well for me and has done so for the last 7
years. All my applications redraw properly; use ncsa telnet or mskermit
as previously stated.
On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 11:33:38PM -0700, tyler spivey wrote:
> i have a dectalk pc
> nullmodem com2 decpc emulated com3 dont think anythings on com1
> it works if i type directory from dos directly
> 
> At 01:04 PM 10/26/00 +1100, you wrote:
> >If the ports are on the isa bus they can't share an interrupt without the risc
> >of burning the bus driver.
> >Some synths _require_ the irq to show up and require to receive, but some dos
> >screen
> >readers do not use the interrupts, speakup needs to read from the synth.
> >On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 08:51:26PM -0500, Kirk Wood wrote:
> > > On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, tyler spivey wrote:
> > >
> > > > ok, i can make speakup probe for my decpc, i set speakup for decext.
> > > > i am using commo term prog, i set capture to com3 mode raw.
> > > > when i use say line or shut up, it takes several minutes to process 
> > the data.
> > > > what could cause this? would dectalk express driver cause a better 
> > delay?
> > >
> > > I am guessing your synth is on what DOS would call com1. As such it would
> > > be sharing an IRQ with com3. Since they share an IRQ when you issue a
> > > command for the synth, it must wait in line for the activity on com3 to
> > > subside. The answer isn't drivers. The answer is reconfigure your
> > > hardware. In dos you can actually make continous use of com1 com2 and
> > > com5. Skip 3 and 4.
> > >
> > > =======
> > > Kirk Wood
> > > Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Speakup mailing list
> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> >
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> >Alternates: kerry@emusys.com.au kerry@gotss.spice.net.au or khoath@lis.net.au
> >ICQ UIN: 62823451
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Re: partial success - still need help

[Tommy Moore]

Also if your in dos for terminal use via serial cable telix works well, but if over network the suggestions by the other members on the list work good.

Ok, now for my question. Just installed rh 6.2 on my box to learn the Red Hat way of doing things and I'm wondering if there's some text tool for setting up ppp or do I have to do this one by hand.
Any Red Hat experts want to help me out?

Thanks.Tommy.

Re: partial success - still need help

[Brent Harding]

I wondered this too, have been listening to linux for dumbies, and it looks
like you can do it through the networking control panel, but the text way
to it hasn't been discussed yet. If x worked as good as ms win as far as
screen reading went, things would be great, but seeing it doesn't yet, it's
hard to discover.
I heard redhat uses commands like ifup ppp0 to get ppp up, but I'm almost
certain that ifconfig isn't the config utility that you can use with ppp
I've tried it before to experiment with an interface and changing it's
parameters but it always requires a reconnect to get net access again.
At 02:01 AM 10/26/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Also if your in dos for terminal use via serial cable telix works well,
but if over network the suggestions by the other members on the list work
good.
>
>Ok, now for my question. Just installed rh 6.2 on my box to learn the Red
Hat way of doing things and I'm wondering if there's some text tool for
setting up ppp or do I have to do this one by hand.
>Any Red Hat experts want to help me out?
>
>Thanks.Tommy.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>

Re: partial success - still need help

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi Tommy
     Yes, it's perfectly possible. Use the linuxconf tool, it runs in either graphic or text mode, and even web mode. Select networking, the client tasks, and you'll find the option. If the Treemenu module is not turned on, simply select networking and it will be there. I'll leave you to figure out the setup procedure, as it's not hard at all and is just like any other slang-based text utility.


Tommy Moore writes:
 > Ok, now for my question. Just installed rh 6.2 on my box to learn the Red Hat way of doing things and I'm wondering if there's some text tool for setting up ppp or do I have to do this one by hand.
 > Any Red Hat experts want to help me out?

telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Brent Harding]

			Does telnet or ssh using ethernet allow you to do everything a serial
console could do? I suppose the idea that serial is still usefull, as you'd
need speech on some console with linux to make the telnet session halfway
usefull. I've tried it in win telnet before connecting to a system, and it
just seems too messy how things are read. It seems in that case it always
repeats a bunch of lines before what just came up, making file editing near
impossible.
It's something like
login: bharding
bharding password
login bharding
password 
last login, blah blah blah
and whenever I type a command it continues to reread the junk.

Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Buddy Brannan]

Best terminal I've found for Windoz is Terraterm. Also get the Terraterm
SSH plug-in, which is a .dll or two plus a replacement executable for
Terrraterm, which of course adds the ssh support. If you need the files, I
have them handy and can send them to you. Or stick them somewhere for
you. Or something. But Windoz telnet is a piece of crap. Terraterm is much
more better. Reads great (at least in Window Bridge).


-- 
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Email: davros@ycardz.com     | I'd step to the side and say,
Phone: (972) 276-6360        | "Hey ground! I'm nobody's lunch!"
Voice mail: (877) 791-5298   | --Eddie From Ohio

Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Brent Harding]

Might want to try that, unfortunately I'm not sure of any cheap anonymous
ftp sites one can upload stuff like this to.
At 09:44 AM 10/26/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Best terminal I've found for Windoz is Terraterm. Also get the Terraterm
>SSH plug-in, which is a .dll or two plus a replacement executable for
>Terrraterm, which of course adds the ssh support. If you need the files, I
>have them handy and can send them to you. Or stick them somewhere for
>you. Or something. But Windoz telnet is a piece of crap. Terraterm is much
>more better. Reads great (at least in Window Bridge).
>
>
>-- 
>Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV        | And if the ground yawned,
>Email: davros@ycardz.com     | I'd step to the side and say,
>Phone: (972) 276-6360        | "Hey ground! I'm nobody's lunch!"
>Voice mail: (877) 791-5298   | --Eddie From Ohio
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
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>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>

Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Buddy Brannan]

On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 01:55:23PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
> Might want to try that, unfortunately I'm not sure of any cheap anonymous
> ftp sites one can upload stuff like this to.

I know of one that I can use. Get the files from:

ftp://dalek.dhs.org/pub/ttermp23.zip
and
ftp://dalek.dhs.org/pub/ttssh151.zip

BTW....that cheap or free ftp site...is my computer (this one) running
Debian Linux.

If it's not letting you connect, it's 'cause I'm in Windoz doing some
banking crap or something, just try again a little later.



-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV        | And if the ground yawned,
Email: davros@ycardz.com     | I'd step to the side and say,
Phone: (972) 276-6360        | "Hey ground! I'm nobody's lunch!"
Voice mail: (877) 791-5298   | --Eddie From Ohio

Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Brent Harding]

Cool, if you sometimes reboot to windows, how do you deal with the problem
of lost email? Does debian/redhat create the web directory for users
automatically? What's the q3setup.exe file for?

At 03:34 PM 10/26/00 -0500, you wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 01:55:23PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
>> Might want to try that, unfortunately I'm not sure of any cheap anonymous
>> ftp sites one can upload stuff like this to.
>
>I know of one that I can use. Get the files from:
>
>ftp://dalek.dhs.org/pub/ttermp23.zip
>and
>ftp://dalek.dhs.org/pub/ttssh151.zip
>
>BTW....that cheap or free ftp site...is my computer (this one) running
>Debian Linux.
>
>If it's not letting you connect, it's 'cause I'm in Windoz doing some
>banking crap or something, just try again a little later.
>
>
>
>-- 
>Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV        | And if the ground yawned,
>Email: davros@ycardz.com     | I'd step to the side and say,
>Phone: (972) 276-6360        | "Hey ground! I'm nobody's lunch!"
>Voice mail: (877) 791-5298   | --Eddie From Ohio
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>

Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Buddy Brannan]

Don't lose any Email, as I use fetchmail to get mail from another mail
server. I don't actually get, in general, mail to davros@dalek.dhs.org
directly, although if you sent mail there, I would get it. As for what
q3setup.exe is...I don't remember. It's probably not anything very useful
or important though.



-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV        | And if the ground yawned,
Email: davros@ycardz.com     | I'd step to the side and say,
Phone: (972) 276-6360        | "Hey ground! I'm nobody's lunch!"
Voice mail: (877) 791-5298   | --Eddie From Ohio

Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Brent Harding]

Oh, wonder where the wineyes set for teraterm is, where do I put the ssh
pluggin?
At 07:53 PM 10/26/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Don't lose any Email, as I use fetchmail to get mail from another mail
>server. I don't actually get, in general, mail to davros@dalek.dhs.org
>directly, although if you sent mail there, I would get it. As for what
>q3setup.exe is...I don't remember. It's probably not anything very useful
>or important though.
>
>
>
>-- 
>Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV        | And if the ground yawned,
>Email: davros@ycardz.com     | I'd step to the side and say,
>Phone: (972) 276-6360        | "Hey ground! I'm nobody's lunch!"
>Voice mail: (877) 791-5298   | --Eddie From Ohio
>
>_______________________________________________
>Speakup mailing list
>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>
>
>

Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Buddy Brannan]

Unzip the ttssh file into the directory you have Terraterm
installed. Point your shortcuts to the ttssh.exe or whatever it's called
instead of to terraterm.exe

No, I don't know any more than that.


-- 
Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV        | And if the ground yawned,
Email: davros@ycardz.com     | I'd step to the side and say,
Phone: (972) 276-6360        | "Hey ground! I'm nobody's lunch!"
Voice mail: (877) 791-5298   | --Eddie From Ohio

Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Raul A. Gallegos]

wineyes sets are at http://www.gwmicro.com/support for teraterm.  And if you get the ttssh plugin just unzip those files into the teraterm folder where all the 
other programs are for it.  Now change your short cut to run ttssh.exe instead of ttermpro.exe.  When you do this you get the connection dialog however 
instead of just telnet you also get ssh.  Under the setup pulldown menu you can configure certain aspects of ssh.  Teraterm ssh supports only version 1 of 
ssh so if you are wanting to use ssh2 I recommend secure crt.  I've used both with wonderful success.

Regards.



On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:20:24 -0500, Brent Harding wrote:

>Oh, wonder where the wineyes set for teraterm is, where do I put the ssh
>pluggin?
>At 07:53 PM 10/26/00 -0500, you wrote:
>>Don't lose any Email, as I use fetchmail to get mail from another mail
>>server. I don't actually get, in general, mail to davros@dalek.dhs.org
>>directly, although if you sent mail there, I would get it. As for what
>>q3setup.exe is...I don't remember. It's probably not anything very useful
>>or important though.
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV        | And if the ground yawned,
>>Email: davros@ycardz.com     | I'd step to the side and say,
>>Phone: (972) 276-6360        | "Hey ground! I'm nobody's lunch!"
>>Voice mail: (877) 791-5298   | --Eddie From Ohio
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Speakup mailing list
>>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: telnet...

[Kirk Wood]

I think this may have been covered. The telnet client taht ships with
windows is universally disliked. Get a different one. A good telnet client
emulates the response of serial dumb terminal consoles.

If your book is talking about doing things in X, it probably won't be the
one for you. Find a book that doesn't talk about X.

=======
Kirk Wood
Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net

Re: telnet...

[Victor Tsaran]

A good one is TeraTerm. Go to search engines and search for it, as I don't
remember the URL.
Best,
VIc

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: telnet...


| I think this may have been covered. The telnet client taht ships with
| windows is universally disliked. Get a different one. A good telnet client
| emulates the response of serial dumb terminal consoles.
|
| If your book is talking about doing things in X, it probably won't be the
| one for you. Find a book that doesn't talk about X.
|
| =======
| Kirk Wood
| Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
|
|
|
|
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| http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

Re: telnet...

[Janina Sajka]

Another good one is Kermit for Windows -- called K95. It's a console app
under Windows, though, so you need to have ASAP to use it well. If you
have ASAP, it's fabulous. If you have Vocal-Eyes, it doesn't work at this
time so far as I know.

Also, K95 is not free.
 On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:

> A good one is TeraTerm. Go to search engines and search for it, as I don't
> remember the URL.
> Best,
> VIc
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: telnet...
> 
> 
> | I think this may have been covered. The telnet client taht ships with
> | windows is universally disliked. Get a different one. A good telnet client
> | emulates the response of serial dumb terminal consoles.
> |
> | If your book is talking about doing things in X, it probably won't be the
> | one for you. Find a book that doesn't talk about X.
> |
> | =======
> | Kirk Wood
> | Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | _______________________________________________
> | Speakup mailing list
> | Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> | http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> 
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Re: telnet...

[Brent Harding]

I have vocaleyes demo.
At 06:19 PM 11/1/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Another good one is Kermit for Windows -- called K95. It's a console app
>under Windows, though, so you need to have ASAP to use it well. If you
>have ASAP, it's fabulous. If you have Vocal-Eyes, it doesn't work at this
>time so far as I know.
>
>Also, K95 is not free.
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
>> A good one is TeraTerm. Go to search engines and search for it, as I don't
>> remember the URL.
>> Best,
>> VIc
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kirk Wood" <cpt.kirk@1tree.net>
>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: telnet...
>> 
>> 
>> | I think this may have been covered. The telnet client taht ships with
>> | windows is universally disliked. Get a different one. A good telnet
client
>> | emulates the response of serial dumb terminal consoles.
>> |
>> | If your book is talking about doing things in X, it probably won't be the
>> | one for you. Find a book that doesn't talk about X.
>> |
>> | =======
>> | Kirk Wood
>> | Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> | _______________________________________________
>> | Speakup mailing list
>> | Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> | http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Speakup mailing list
>> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> 
>
>-- 
>
>				Janina Sajka, Director
>				Technology Research and Development
>				Governmental Relations Group
>				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
>
>janina@afb.net
>(202) 408-8175
>http://www.afb.org/gov.html
>
>
>The invention of the printing press has been named the crowning achievment
>of the past millenium. Yet, electronic publishing will soon eclipse it.
>Read our White Paper: "Surpassing Gutenberg" available at:
>
>	http://www.afb.org/ebook.html
>
>Are you developing software? Make it accessible to blind computer users.
>Read http://www.afb.org/technology/accessapp.html to learn how.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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>
>
>

Re: telnet...

[Raul A. Gallegos]

I've gotten it to work with vocal-eyes however you have to turn on revector checking on.

This is done from the advanced menu 5 in vocal-eyes menus and it's the last item.  it will warn you that you will have to reboot your computer after using it 
that way, but as far as vocal-eyes is converned once you close the dos box you are fine to do it again in another session.

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:19:22 -0500 (EST), Janina Sajka wrote:

>Another good one is Kermit for Windows -- called K95. It's a console app
>under Windows, though, so you need to have ASAP to use it well. If you
>have ASAP, it's fabulous. If you have Vocal-Eyes, it doesn't work at this
>time so far as I know.
>
>Also, K95 is not free.
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Victor Tsaran wrote:
>
>> A good one is TeraTerm. Go to search engines and search for it, as I don't
>> remember the URL.
>> Best,
>> VIc
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: telnet...
>> 
>> 
>> | I think this may have been covered. The telnet client taht ships with
>> | windows is universally disliked. Get a different one. A good telnet client
>> | emulates the response of serial dumb terminal consoles.
>> |
>> | If your book is talking about doing things in X, it probably won't be the
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Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Kerry Hoath]

Use ntcrt or teraterm. Get the scripts for Teraterm under Jaws for windows.
Teraterm reads a lot better than windows telnet once you fix the cursor 
shape.

Regards, Kerry.
On Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 09:37:08AM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
> 			Does telnet or ssh using ethernet allow you to do everything a serial
> console could do? I suppose the idea that serial is still usefull, as you'd
> need speech on some console with linux to make the telnet session halfway
> usefull. I've tried it in win telnet before connecting to a system, and it
> just seems too messy how things are read. It seems in that case it always
> repeats a bunch of lines before what just came up, making file editing near
> impossible.
> It's something like
> login: bharding
> bharding password
> login bharding
> password 
> last login, blah blah blah
> and whenever I type a command it continues to reread the junk.
> 
> 
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Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Geoff Shang]

Hi Brent:

Not sure, it may be possible to divert system messages to a telnet session,
but even if it's not, you can always examine /var/log/messages or
/var/log/syslog if you ever need to read them.  Believe me though, you
don't need them often.

Geoff.


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Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Brent Harding]

I suppose I'd need them if all of the sudden the system stops allowing me
to telnet. Probably doesn't happen too much, unless there are multiple
admins working on similar stuff at the same time not knowing who did what,
if one edits a file, and I'm editing it too, he saves, then I save, my
changes are the ones that come through. I just can't figure out teraterm
and window-eyes, as it refuses to read anything, the same thing I hate
about windows telnet.
At 07:23 PM 10/27/00 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi Brent:
>
>Not sure, it may be possible to divert system messages to a telnet session,
>but even if it's not, you can always examine /var/log/messages or
>/var/log/syslog if you ever need to read them.  Believe me though, you
>don't need them often.
>
>Geoff.
>
>
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Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[brian Moore]

hi.  to use terraterm with window-eyes, I did the following.

1.  under the setup menu, I choose window and set my cursor to be a
horizontal line.  then if I turn speak all on with insert+a I think the
default is, everything reads properly and the cursor tracks.  unlike
windows telnet, the screen doesn't always get redrawn and you don't hear
everything twice.
brian.


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On 10/27/00 at 12:00 PM Brent Harding wrote:

>I suppose I'd need them if all of the sudden the system stops allowing me
>to telnet. Probably doesn't happen too much, unless there are multiple
>admins working on similar stuff at the same time not knowing who did what,
>if one edits a file, and I'm editing it too, he saves, then I save, my
>changes are the ones that come through. I just can't figure out teraterm
>and window-eyes, as it refuses to read anything, the same thing I hate
>about windows telnet.
>At 07:23 PM 10/27/00 +1100, you wrote:
>>Hi Brent:
>>
>>Not sure, it may be possible to divert system messages to a telnet
session,
>>but even if it's not, you can always examine /var/log/messages or
>>/var/log/syslog if you ever need to read them.  Believe me though, you
>>don't need them often.
>>
>>Geoff.
>>
>>
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Re: telnet or ssh...

[Kirk Wood]

On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Brent Harding wrote:

> I suppose I'd need them if all of the sudden the system stops allowing me
> to telnet.

Hate to say it, but the above statement shows that we have exceeded the
logical limit of the conversation. Brent, stop speculating and start
acting. Come back with questions based on a real life, and current
situation. 

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Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Kerry Hoath]

did you even get the windoweyes sets for Teraterm? They make it read.
Stop concerning yourself with wether or not you can see the messages; you can
see the messages and they are in a log file. You can read the logs. If you
can't telnet in then either the networking has crashed or the system is under
load or someone has disabled telnet and ssh a rare thing to have happen.
Surely one of the other admins at the console can fix the problem or you can
dial in on a remote modem and fix the networking that's what I do.
Stop worrying about the job you don't have.
When the time comes you'll either sink or swim depending on your ability to
learn and absorb information. If you swim; well and good;
If you sink; I'll probably hear the glub glub glub noises from here.
You can't completely prepare yourself for any situation, remember 90% of your
learning occurrs outside your comfort zone.

Regards, Kerry.
On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 12:00:06PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
> I suppose I'd need them if all of the sudden the system stops allowing me
> to telnet. Probably doesn't happen too much, unless there are multiple
> admins working on similar stuff at the same time not knowing who did what,
> if one edits a file, and I'm editing it too, he saves, then I save, my
> changes are the ones that come through. I just can't figure out teraterm
> and window-eyes, as it refuses to read anything, the same thing I hate
> about windows telnet.
> At 07:23 PM 10/27/00 +1100, you wrote:
> >Hi Brent:
> >
> >Not sure, it may be possible to divert system messages to a telnet session,
> >but even if it's not, you can always examine /var/log/messages or
> >/var/log/syslog if you ever need to read them.  Believe me though, you
> >don't need them often.
> >
> >Geoff.
> >
> >
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Re: telnet or ssh versus serial console was partial success - still need help

[Brent Harding]

I never thought there were teraterm sets yet. I still use version 3.1 of
wineyes, as 4.0 was just released and I haven't gotten it yet. Do the sets
work with 3.1? I'm pretty sure I'll learn quite a bit when I can actually
tell what I'll be doing, and exactly what things are like. I'll probably
find out how I'd get in if networking is down some how, some of the finer
details one doesn't know about until things happen.

Re: partial success - still need help

[Kirk Wood]

On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, tyler spivey wrote:
> nullmodem com2 decpc emulated com3 dont think anythings on com1

I think I may understand (but could be off). More specifically you have a
null modem cable on com2 going to another machine. You then have a dectalk
pc (internal card) that is setup to communicate with the hardware as com3.
Is this much correct?

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