RE: Voice Synthesizers

RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Klarich, Terry]

Hey Frank:

Is the accent well made?  I am not really happy with the quality of the
dectalk express.  Do you know of a good dealer of the accent?

Thanks
Terry

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank J. Carmickle [mailto:frankiec@braille.uwo.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 4:47 PM
To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers


Well I use both of them.  I like the dectalk for long reading but the
accent is much better for everyday quick reading.  It is quite a bit
faster although you can crank the dectalk.  Lots of folks say that the
dectalk can't get fast enough for them.  This is not true.  It can't get
extremely fast.  The problem with it is that it mumbles when cranked up
above 500 words per minute.  I can usually leave the accent cranked all
the way up most of the time.  

Another thing is that speakup currently works better with the accent then
the dectalk.  This is because of the dectalks silly command set.  This may
get fixed sometime but not any time soon.  With ever serial synth speakup
bleads some of the control charactors through.  So in the case of the
dectalk you will hear a lot of dv ap 100s.  In the case of the accent you
will hear just a few p5s.

HTH
FC

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Klarich, Terry wrote:

> Hello all:
> 
> Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
> serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between
the
> dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning
serial
> voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
> 
> I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well
made.
> And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
> why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
> servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who
use
> this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
> 
> Terry
> 
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> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
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RE: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Frank J. Carmickle]

Actually I was going to ask you where you were going to get an accent.  I
know tha they are no longer being made.  I am happy with the quality of
both the dectalk and the accent.  I am able to clean up the volume control
on the dec myself.  I have only had to open one of the two of them that I
own to fix the volume nob's screw coming loose making it not work.  Never
have had any problems other then that.  I would recomend the accent if you
can find one.  I like them both just fine though.  Maybe you should look
in to the usb version of the bripple talk?  I know this is going to raise
some discussion.  

By the way Reiser Janina said she was getting one.  She was gong to get in
touch with them to see about getting you one for writing a driver.  

Anybody else interested in writing the tripple talk driver.  I think that
all of us who know Kirk know that he hates writing drivers.  

Just some thoughts.

FC


On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Klarich, Terry wrote:

> Hey Frank:
> 
> Is the accent well made?  I am not really happy with the quality of the
> dectalk express.  Do you know of a good dealer of the accent?
> 
> Thanks
> Terry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank J. Carmickle [mailto:frankiec@braille.uwo.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 4:47 PM
> To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
> Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers
> 
> 
> Well I use both of them.  I like the dectalk for long reading but the
> accent is much better for everyday quick reading.  It is quite a bit
> faster although you can crank the dectalk.  Lots of folks say that the
> dectalk can't get fast enough for them.  This is not true.  It can't get
> extremely fast.  The problem with it is that it mumbles when cranked up
> above 500 words per minute.  I can usually leave the accent cranked all
> the way up most of the time.  
> 
> Another thing is that speakup currently works better with the accent then
> the dectalk.  This is because of the dectalks silly command set.  This may
> get fixed sometime but not any time soon.  With ever serial synth speakup
> bleads some of the control charactors through.  So in the case of the
> dectalk you will hear a lot of dv ap 100s.  In the case of the accent you
> will hear just a few p5s.
> 
> HTH
> FC
> 
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Klarich, Terry wrote:
> 
> > Hello all:
> > 
> > Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
> > serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between
> the
> > dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning
> serial
> > voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
> > 
> > I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well
> made.
> > And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
> > why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
> > servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who
> use
> > this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
> > 
> > Terry
> > 
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> > 
> 
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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Kirk Reiser]

"Frank J. Carmickle" <frankiec@braille.uwo.ca> writes:

> By the way Reiser Janina said she was getting one.  She was gong to get in
> touch with them to see about getting you one for writing a driver.  

I have spoken with the TrippleTalk folks a couple of times but they
have never actually managed to send me one.  Either they are really,
really busy, or things aren't what they appear to be.

> Anybody else interested in writing the tripple talk driver.  I think that
> all of us who know Kirk know that he hates writing drivers.  

I don't mind writing it, but you have to have one before you can do
that.  So far, it's vaporware.

  Kirk

RE: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Brent Harding]

The usb though, really doesn't sound too good. The internal tripple talk
could maybe work. Could I run it as if it were a double talk PC? Is there a
way to get an external battery or something for a dectalk, if I need it
longer than it lasts? Is there a battery operated device I could plug it's
charger in to that would do the trick, as finding outlets with lots of
cords and junk in the way isn't too easy. especially if you have to move
with it.
At 03:04 AM 9/9/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Actually I was going to ask you where you were going to get an accent.  I
>know tha they are no longer being made.  I am happy with the quality of
>both the dectalk and the accent.  I am able to clean up the volume control
>on the dec myself.  I have only had to open one of the two of them that I
>own to fix the volume nob's screw coming loose making it not work.  Never
>have had any problems other then that.  I would recomend the accent if you
>can find one.  I like them both just fine though.  Maybe you should look
>in to the usb version of the bripple talk?  I know this is going to raise
>some discussion.  
>
>By the way Reiser Janina said she was getting one.  She was gong to get in
>touch with them to see about getting you one for writing a driver.  
>
>Anybody else interested in writing the tripple talk driver.  I think that
>all of us who know Kirk know that he hates writing drivers.  
>
>Just some thoughts.
>
>FC
>
>
>On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Klarich, Terry wrote:
>
>> Hey Frank:
>> 
>> Is the accent well made?  I am not really happy with the quality of the
>> dectalk express.  Do you know of a good dealer of the accent?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Terry
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Frank J. Carmickle [mailto:frankiec@braille.uwo.ca]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 4:47 PM
>> To: 'speakup@braille.uwo.ca'
>> Subject: Re: Voice Synthesizers
>> 
>> 
>> Well I use both of them.  I like the dectalk for long reading but the
>> accent is much better for everyday quick reading.  It is quite a bit
>> faster although you can crank the dectalk.  Lots of folks say that the
>> dectalk can't get fast enough for them.  This is not true.  It can't get
>> extremely fast.  The problem with it is that it mumbles when cranked up
>> above 500 words per minute.  I can usually leave the accent cranked all
>> the way up most of the time.  
>> 
>> Another thing is that speakup currently works better with the accent then
>> the dectalk.  This is because of the dectalks silly command set.  This may
>> get fixed sometime but not any time soon.  With ever serial synth speakup
>> bleads some of the control charactors through.  So in the case of the
>> dectalk you will hear a lot of dv ap 100s.  In the case of the accent you
>> will hear just a few p5s.
>> 
>> HTH
>> FC
>> 
>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Klarich, Terry wrote:
>> 
>> > Hello all:
>> > 
>> > Soon, I will be buying a new voice synthesizer.  I would like an external
>> > serial device for it's flexibility.  Presently, it is a toss up between
>> the
>> > dectalk express and the acsent.  If anyone has an opinion concerning
>> serial
>> > voice synthesizers, I would like to hear it.
>> > 
>> > I personally like the dectalk express; but, it doesn't seem very well
>> made.
>> > And, DEC used those rj 45 connectors with the tab offset.  I have no idea
>> > why DEC did this.  This type of connecter is on most of their terminal
>> > servers, printers and other serial devices.  DEC are the only one's who
>> use
>> > this connector.  I guess this is why they can charge $15 for a cable.
>> > 
>> > Terry
>> > 
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Speakup mailing list
>> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
>> > 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Brent Harding]

If you had one, how would one even know how it works? The same thing
happens with winmodems, nobody's gotten a driver made for many of them, yet
yet they're in big supply.
At 08:56 AM 9/9/00 -0400, you wrote:
>"Frank J. Carmickle" <frankiec@braille.uwo.ca> writes:
>
>> By the way Reiser Janina said she was getting one.  She was gong to get in
>> touch with them to see about getting you one for writing a driver.  
>
>I have spoken with the TrippleTalk folks a couple of times but they
>have never actually managed to send me one.  Either they are really,
>really busy, or things aren't what they appear to be.
>
>> Anybody else interested in writing the tripple talk driver.  I think that
>> all of us who know Kirk know that he hates writing drivers.  
>
>I don't mind writing it, but you have to have one before you can do
>that.  So far, it's vaporware.
>
>  Kirk
>
>
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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Frank J. Carmickle]

On 9 Sep 2000, Kirk Reiser wrote:

> "Frank J. Carmickle" <frankiec@braille.uwo.ca> writes:
> I don't mind writing it, but you have to have one before you can do
> that.  So far, it's vaporware.
> 
Actually they are shipping.  Why they haven't sent you one yet I don't
know.

FC

Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Kerry Hoath]

Hrmm actually there are drivers for winmodems. The lucent ones have drivers,
and Fabris Bellard (of lzexe fame) is writing a software modem driver. syy
http://www.linmodems.org/
I'd suggest steering clear of the winmodems because of their cpu requirement
but they are a nice telephony option for asteriskpbx http://www.asteriskpbx.com
a pabx system for Linux and yes it can hook to a phone network.

Regards, Kerry.
On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:58:30PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
> If you had one, how would one even know how it works? The same thing
> happens with winmodems, nobody's gotten a driver made for many of them, yet
> yet they're in big supply.
> At 08:56 AM 9/9/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >"Frank J. Carmickle" <frankiec@braille.uwo.ca> writes:
> >
> >> By the way Reiser Janina said she was getting one.  She was gong to get in
> >> touch with them to see about getting you one for writing a driver.  
> >
> >I have spoken with the TrippleTalk folks a couple of times but they
> >have never actually managed to send me one.  Either they are really,
> >really busy, or things aren't what they appear to be.
> >
> >> Anybody else interested in writing the tripple talk driver.  I think that
> >> all of us who know Kirk know that he hates writing drivers.  
> >
> >I don't mind writing it, but you have to have one before you can do
> >that.  So far, it's vaporware.
> >
> >  Kirk
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Brent Harding]

What's the difference of a tripple talk and a double talk?
My double talk seems just fine, have been using it a few years now, still
works.
At 09:37 PM 9/9/00 -0400, you wrote:
>On 9 Sep 2000, Kirk Reiser wrote:
>
>> "Frank J. Carmickle" <frankiec@braille.uwo.ca> writes:
>> I don't mind writing it, but you have to have one before you can do
>> that.  So far, it's vaporware.
>> 
>Actually they are shipping.  Why they haven't sent you one yet I don't
>know.
>
>FC
>
>
>
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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Brent Harding]

Wow, I thought most pbx's are dedicated boxes hooked to the phone lines. I
see their use increasing as phone numbers start running out. What's
happening to IP addresses on the net could happen to phone numbers, not
yet, but some time.
At 01:38 PM 9/10/00 +1100, you wrote:
>Hrmm actually there are drivers for winmodems. The lucent ones have drivers,
>and Fabris Bellard (of lzexe fame) is writing a software modem driver. syy
>http://www.linmodems.org/
>I'd suggest steering clear of the winmodems because of their cpu requirement
>but they are a nice telephony option for asteriskpbx
http://www.asteriskpbx.com
>a pabx system for Linux and yes it can hook to a phone network.
>
>Regards, Kerry.
>On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:58:30PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
>> If you had one, how would one even know how it works? The same thing
>> happens with winmodems, nobody's gotten a driver made for many of them, yet
>> yet they're in big supply.
>> At 08:56 AM 9/9/00 -0400, you wrote:
>> >"Frank J. Carmickle" <frankiec@braille.uwo.ca> writes:
>> >
>> >> By the way Reiser Janina said she was getting one.  She was gong to
get in
>> >> touch with them to see about getting you one for writing a driver.  
>> >
>> >I have spoken with the TrippleTalk folks a couple of times but they
>> >have never actually managed to send me one.  Either they are really,
>> >really busy, or things aren't what they appear to be.
>> >
>> >> Anybody else interested in writing the tripple talk driver.  I think
that
>> >> all of us who know Kirk know that he hates writing drivers.  
>> >
>> >I don't mind writing it, but you have to have one before you can do
>> >that.  So far, it's vaporware.
>> >
>> >  Kirk
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> 
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Re: Voice Synthesizers

[Angus D.F. MacKinnon]

I have no idea if this would work. I have a laptop that would need an
externel synthesizer if there was not a software one available. Is this
a dream, I buy a sound PCMCIA card for my laptop and install speech that
searches out that PCMCIA card and uses only that device.

Love the Super Duper Guide Dog Dabney and
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RE: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Geoff Shang]

Hi:

The internal tripple talk is a PCI card, as opposed to the doubletalk which
is of course an ISA card.  The USB for the external tripple talk is no real
problem, as kernel 2.4.0 supports USB and I believe support is available
for current 2.2.x kernels.

Geoff.


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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Kirk Wood]

A tribble talk is made by a different company and is not the same hardware
as a double talk. Much like the difference between any other two brands.

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RE: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Brent Harding]

Is the pci harder to work with in linux? I've heard pci is often more
difficult, just getting it in my head that an isa network card would work
in linux easier than a pci one.
At 11:08 PM 9/10/00 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi:
>
>The internal tripple talk is a PCI card, as opposed to the doubletalk which
>is of course an ISA card.  The USB for the external tripple talk is no real
>problem, as kernel 2.4.0 supports USB and I believe support is available
>for current 2.2.x kernels.
>
>Geoff.
>
>
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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Brent Harding]

Does it sound pretty much the same? The name just sounded confusing, after
double talk comes tripple talk, that's what everyone who told me of this
tripple talk thing said it was an upgrade from double talk.
At 08:53 AM 9/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
>A tribble talk is made by a different company and is not the same hardware
>as a double talk. Much like the difference between any other two brands.
>
>-- 
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>
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RE: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Kirk Wood]

Brent,

I don't know what makes you think an ISA network card will work easier
then a PCI one. I have used at least five different PCI cards in limux and
in every case it was a simple matter of plugging it in and selecting the
right driver. In fact, much of the time if the card is installed when
setting up Linux it can be auto-detected.

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------------------

Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
		Alfred North Whitehead

Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Jacob Schmude]

Hi
	From the samples I've heard, it sounds exactly like the doubletalk
does. No difference at all.


On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:

> Does it sound pretty much the same? The name just sounded confusing, after
> double talk comes tripple talk, that's what everyone who told me of this
> tripple talk thing said it was an upgrade from double talk.
> At 08:53 AM 9/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >A tribble talk is made by a different company and is not the same hardware
> >as a double talk. Much like the difference between any other two brands.
> >
> >-- 
> >Kirk Wood
> >Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
> >------------------
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> >Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
> >		Alfred North Whitehead
> >
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RE: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Kirk Wood]

Brent,

Your first step is to consult documentation. That will prevent you from
asking questions such as which driver to use with a 3com 3c-509 card
(which in an ironic twist of fate has a driver named 3c-509.o). In short,
RTFM before asking questions.

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------------------

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RE: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Brent Harding]

Oh, cool. How does one know which driver a nic is compatible with, if it's
a generic brand?
My friend has pci cards that come with a cd-rom, from 3-com, I believe
device manager calls it a 3c-595, and he uses the same ISP I use, none of
us got dsl yet, waiting on the telco to finish running lines to their end,
and whatever else they have to do. The utilities install themself in
windows, are these kind of cards plug-and-play? There's no pcipnp tools for
linux, just isapnp.
At 12:48 PM 9/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Brent,
>
>I don't know what makes you think an ISA network card will work easier
>then a PCI one. I have used at least five different PCI cards in limux and
>in every case it was a simple matter of plugging it in and selecting the
>right driver. In fact, much of the time if the card is installed when
>setting up Linux it can be auto-detected.
>
>-- 
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>
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>		Alfred North Whitehead
>
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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Kerry Hoath]

Actually if you have a relatively new system with a behaving bios, PCI is a
lot easier to deal with. If all your cards are plug 'n' pray and all are PCI
or don't require ISA interrupts you just put the cards in. Slot order is
important, most of the time interrupts are allocated to slot 1 2 3 4 etc
but there are exceptions.
For example, the Abit BP6 board I have here has 5 pci slots 1 agp and 2 ISA.
Wow you think, 5 PCI slots, coolybars. It's only when you read through the
manual you discover that slots 4 and 5 share a busmaster signal and that slot
3 shares its irq with the onboard HPT366 controller.
Under Linux PCI irq sharing can happen and can be a valid thing to do,
I can even post to the list on the details of how it's done if anyone wants
to know.
The bus master issue however can be a problem, you can't put 2 PCI busmasters
in slots 4 and 5. I had a non-PCI busmaster Tseng et6000 that went into slot
5, and an advansys busmaster in slot 4.
How do you know if a card is a busmaster? cat /proc/pci (if you have the
support compiled into the kernel) or use lspci on the device. If it says,
"Master capable" the card would like to be a busmaster. Some cards can work
without or with busmastering, but usually if they are master capable they get
upset if no bus master signal is available.

If anyone wants to know how or why PCI irqs are allocated, how to interpret
the "bank 0 bank 1 bank 2" display at post or other PC hardware questions,
let me know and I'll try demystify.
Now, where did I put that axe?

Regards, Kerry.
On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 12:31:34PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
> Is the pci harder to work with in linux? I've heard pci is often more
> difficult, just getting it in my head that an isa network card would work
> in linux easier than a pci one.
> At 11:08 PM 9/10/00 +1100, you wrote:
> >Hi:
> >
> >The internal tripple talk is a PCI card, as opposed to the doubletalk which
> >is of course an ISA card.  The USB for the external tripple talk is no real
> >problem, as kernel 2.4.0 supports USB and I believe support is available
> >for current 2.2.x kernels.
> >
> >Geoff.
> >
> >
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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Kerry Hoath]

If you'd taken the time to glance at the ethernet howto, or dropped on into
http://www.scyld.com/ you'd see everything you wanted to know about ethernet
under Linux.
The 3com 3c595 uses the 3c59x driver.
So that there are some exciting things left to do in the world, I leave you
with the personal battle of figuring out how to modprobe the driver.
man modprobe

Regarding PCI devices under Linux, they're configured by BIOS32, try the PCI
HowTo.

Regards, Kerry.
On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 02:21:30PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
> Oh, cool. How does one know which driver a nic is compatible with, if it's
> a generic brand?
> My friend has pci cards that come with a cd-rom, from 3-com, I believe
> device manager calls it a 3c-595, and he uses the same ISP I use, none of
> us got dsl yet, waiting on the telco to finish running lines to their end,
> and whatever else they have to do. The utilities install themself in
> windows, are these kind of cards plug-and-play? There's no pcipnp tools for
> linux, just isapnp.
> At 12:48 PM 9/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >Brent,
> >
> >I don't know what makes you think an ISA network card will work easier
> >then a PCI one. I have used at least five different PCI cards in limux and
> >in every case it was a simple matter of plugging it in and selecting the
> >right driver. In fact, much of the time if the card is installed when
> >setting up Linux it can be auto-detected.
> >
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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Brent Harding]

Isapnp isn't involved in these type of cards, is it? I've read some
networking, and cable and dsl howtos, and they say there needs to be no
plug and play, or disable plug and play with the utils that come with the
card, then just modprobe it to make it work. Most modules just make you
modprobe 3c59x.o, and ifconfigging which is relatively easy, although
playing with ifconfig on a dialup doesn't do much more than mess things up.
At 11:07 AM 9/11/00 +1100, you wrote:
>If you'd taken the time to glance at the ethernet howto, or dropped on into
>http://www.scyld.com/ you'd see everything you wanted to know about ethernet
>under Linux.
>The 3com 3c595 uses the 3c59x driver.
>So that there are some exciting things left to do in the world, I leave you
>with the personal battle of figuring out how to modprobe the driver.
>man modprobe
>
>Regarding PCI devices under Linux, they're configured by BIOS32, try the PCI
>HowTo.
>
>Regards, Kerry.
>On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 02:21:30PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
>> Oh, cool. How does one know which driver a nic is compatible with, if it's
>> a generic brand?
>> My friend has pci cards that come with a cd-rom, from 3-com, I believe
>> device manager calls it a 3c-595, and he uses the same ISP I use, none of
>> us got dsl yet, waiting on the telco to finish running lines to their end,
>> and whatever else they have to do. The utilities install themself in
>> windows, are these kind of cards plug-and-play? There's no pcipnp tools for
>> linux, just isapnp.
>> At 12:48 PM 9/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Brent,
>> >
>> >I don't know what makes you think an ISA network card will work easier
>> >then a PCI one. I have used at least five different PCI cards in limux and
>> >in every case it was a simple matter of plugging it in and selecting the
>> >right driver. In fact, much of the time if the card is installed when
>> >setting up Linux it can be auto-detected.
>> >
>> >-- 
>> >Kirk Wood
>> >Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net
>> >------------------
>> >
>> >Seek simplicity -- and distrust it.
>> >		Alfred North Whitehead
>> >
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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Kirk Wood]

> Actually if you have a relatively new system with a behaving bios, PCI is a
> lot easier to deal with. If all your cards are plug 'n' pray and all are PCI
> or don't require ISA interrupts you just put the cards in. Slot order is
> important, most of the time interrupts are allocated to slot 1 2 3 4 etc
> but there are exceptions.

This won't help without sighted assistance, but actually many BIOSes have
a setting to select one of two or three settings on IRQ order used by the
PCI. That being said, for most people it is easier to just swap some cards
arround. My method is far from scientific. I place all my cards in and see
if it works. If it doesn't I swap a couple cards arround. I just select
the card that doesn't work, and some other card. But this has only
happened once or twice.

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RE: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Matthew Janusauskas]

Where can I learn more about the triple talk synth?




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Subject: RE: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk


Hi:

The internal tripple talk is a PCI card, as opposed to the doubletalk which
is of course an ISA card.  The USB for the external tripple talk is no real
problem, as kernel 2.4.0 supports USB and I believe support is available
for current 2.2.x kernels.

Geoff.


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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Gene Collins]

Not to put to fine a point on it, rtfm means "Read the fucking manual!!!"
>Brent,
>
>Your first step is to consult documentation. That will prevent you from
>asking questions such as which driver to use with a 3com 3c-509 card
>(which in an ironic twist of fate has a driver named 3c-509.o). In short,
>RTFM before asking questions.
>
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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Janina Sajka]

No, it has happened. I think Shanghai was the first to go to 8 digit
dialing. London now has it as well. It is also the reason for the
increasing reliance on mandatory ten digit dialing in the states.
 On Sat,
9 Sep 2000, Brent Harding wrote:

> Wow, I thought most pbx's are dedicated boxes hooked to the phone lines. I
> see their use increasing as phone numbers start running out. What's
> happening to IP addresses on the net could happen to phone numbers, not
> yet, but some time.
> At 01:38 PM 9/10/00 +1100, you wrote:
> >Hrmm actually there are drivers for winmodems. The lucent ones have drivers,
> >and Fabris Bellard (of lzexe fame) is writing a software modem driver. syy
> >http://www.linmodems.org/
> >I'd suggest steering clear of the winmodems because of their cpu requirement
> >but they are a nice telephony option for asteriskpbx
> http://www.asteriskpbx.com
> >a pabx system for Linux and yes it can hook to a phone network.
> >
> >Regards, Kerry.
> >On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 04:58:30PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
> >> If you had one, how would one even know how it works? The same thing
> >> happens with winmodems, nobody's gotten a driver made for many of them, yet
> >> yet they're in big supply.
> >> At 08:56 AM 9/9/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >> >"Frank J. Carmickle" <frankiec@braille.uwo.ca> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> By the way Reiser Janina said she was getting one.  She was gong to
> get in
> >> >> touch with them to see about getting you one for writing a driver.  
> >> >
> >> >I have spoken with the TrippleTalk folks a couple of times but they
> >> >have never actually managed to send me one.  Either they are really,
> >> >really busy, or things aren't what they appear to be.
> >> >
> >> >> Anybody else interested in writing the tripple talk driver.  I think
> that
> >> >> all of us who know Kirk know that he hates writing drivers.  
> >> >
> >> >I don't mind writing it, but you have to have one before you can do
> >> >that.  So far, it's vaporware.
> >> >
> >> >  Kirk
> >> >
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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Victor Tsaran]

We don't have to worry about IP addresses because they already design IP
version6 which will support 128-bit addresses, man, 2^128, that's a lot.
Vic

Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Scott Howell]

well I just want everyone to know that I got a doubletalk external for
$50. Works perfectly and I couldn't be happier.

Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Brent Harding]

Does that mean two more numbers will be added, like 192.168.1.1.1.1?
At 02:47 PM 9/12/00 -0400, you wrote:
>We don't have to worry about IP addresses because they already design IP
>version6 which will support 128-bit addresses, man, 2^128, that's a lot.
>Vic
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Re: Voice Synthesizers and now tripple talk

[Gene Collins]

Way to go Scott!  Some folks just don't know what they are um throwing
... I mean giving away!  (grin)

Gene


>well I just want everyone to know that I got a doubletalk external for
>$50. Works perfectly and I couldn't be happier.
>
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