* Re: zipspeak on my C drive [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.20.0006281837520.138-100000@cherylworld.worldfr ont.com> @ ` brent harding ` Gene Collins 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: brent harding @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Any file named with more than 8 letters will have goofy names when seen from dos. As for moving the dos directory, if you use something called lilo, for linux loader, you could set it up to boot drive d as dos and c as linux, as long as they're on different hard drives. You're boot prompt would let you choose from /dev/hda1 for linux and /dev/hdb1 for dos if things worked right. There's a lilo mini howto at www.linuxdoc.org. There's a liloconfig in slackware, but don't count on it, as I trashed my windows system when I tried to make a boot floppy with it. I think what it did was put the loader on the superblock, where fdisk /mbr wouldn't fix it. I wouldn't advise setting it up until you get linux on it's own partition or drive, as zipspeak won't allow windows and linux to dual boot from the same partition. At 06:43 PM 6/28/00 -0700, you wrote: >I have been using zipspeak on my D drive. Eventually I want to go to a >full linux distribution but have some things to do before that can >happen. Meanwhile, as my C drive is larger than my D drive, I would like >to delete my present version, mmove the files on my C drive to D, and >install zipspeak on my c drive. I am using DOS. I know I will have to >leave the DOS hidden files, command.com, config.sys, and autoexec.bat on >my C drive. Can I move the actual DOS directory to my D drive as long as >I change the paths in my config.sys and autoexec.bat files?Also, do I have >to copy files I want to save from my present zipspeak to a floppy using >linux or can I use the DOS copy command?--Cheryl > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: zipspeak on my C drive ` zipspeak on my C drive brent harding @ ` Gene Collins ` Kerry Hoath 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Gene Collins @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup If I understand you correctly, and you want to make Linux its own bootable partition, then you should make Linux the second partition, and DOS the first partition. DOS/Windows does not like being on anything but the first partition. Gene >Any file named with more than 8 letters will have goofy names when seen >from dos. As for moving the dos directory, if you use something called >lilo, for linux loader, you could set it up to boot drive d as dos and c as >linux, as long as they're on different hard drives. You're boot prompt >would let you choose from /dev/hda1 for linux and /dev/hdb1 for dos if >things worked right. There's a lilo mini howto at www.linuxdoc.org. There's >a liloconfig in slackware, but don't count on it, as I trashed my windows >system when I tried to make a boot floppy with it. I think what it did was >put the loader on the superblock, where fdisk /mbr wouldn't fix it. I >wouldn't advise setting it up until you get linux on it's own partition or >drive, as zipspeak won't allow windows and linux to dual boot from the same >partition. >At 06:43 PM 6/28/00 -0700, you wrote: >>I have been using zipspeak on my D drive. Eventually I want to go to a >>full linux distribution but have some things to do before that can >>happen. Meanwhile, as my C drive is larger than my D drive, I would like >>to delete my present version, mmove the files on my C drive to D, and >>install zipspeak on my c drive. I am using DOS. I know I will have to >>leave the DOS hidden files, command.com, config.sys, and autoexec.bat on >>my C drive. Can I move the actual DOS directory to my D drive as long as >>I change the paths in my config.sys and autoexec.bat files?Also, do I have >>to copy files I want to save from my present zipspeak to a floppy using >>linux or can I use the DOS copy command?--Cheryl >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Speakup mailing list >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: zipspeak on my C drive ` Gene Collins @ ` Kerry Hoath ` brent harding 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Kerry Hoath @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gene Collins; +Cc: speakup I'm a stickler for correctness so here goes. If anyone wants clarification let me know and I can reply offlist or similar :-) This was a message from Jean. My reply doesn't tell the full story but enough of it :-) > If I understand you correctly, and you want to make Linux its own > bootable partition, then you should make Linux the second partition, and > DOS the first partition. DOS/Windows does not like being on anything > but the first partition. Well that is not 100% correct. The master boot record scans the partition table for the first active partition. As long as the partition is primary and only one is set active, the dos mbr should have no trouble normally. Trouble can occurr if the boot area is past cylinder 1024 (10 bit field in bios for cylinder) but that holds true for any os boot loader that relies on the bios to get loaded. This is why the nt boot loader, the dos system files or lilo's stage 1 or grub's stage 1 must be <1024 cylinder wise. Lilo fixes this in the newest greatest release not sure about grub it uses extended in13 provided your motherboard has it not all do. Oh and a bug in the dos boot sector stops dos booting if it is past the first 2gb, that took me days to sort out. Regards, Kerry. > > Gene > > >Any file named with more than 8 letters will have goofy names when seen > >from dos. As for moving the dos directory, if you use something called > >lilo, for linux loader, you could set it up to boot drive d as dos and c as > >linux, as long as they're on different hard drives. You're boot prompt > >would let you choose from /dev/hda1 for linux and /dev/hdb1 for dos if > >things worked right. There's a lilo mini howto at www.linuxdoc.org. There's > >a liloconfig in slackware, but don't count on it, as I trashed my windows > >system when I tried to make a boot floppy with it. I think what it did was > >put the loader on the superblock, where fdisk /mbr wouldn't fix it. I > >wouldn't advise setting it up until you get linux on it's own partition or > >drive, as zipspeak won't allow windows and linux to dual boot from the same > >partition. > >At 06:43 PM 6/28/00 -0700, you wrote: > >>I have been using zipspeak on my D drive. Eventually I want to go to a > >>full linux distribution but have some things to do before that can > >>happen. Meanwhile, as my C drive is larger than my D drive, I would like > >>to delete my present version, mmove the files on my C drive to D, and > >>install zipspeak on my c drive. I am using DOS. I know I will have to > >>leave the DOS hidden files, command.com, config.sys, and autoexec.bat on > >>my C drive. Can I move the actual DOS directory to my D drive as long as > >>I change the paths in my config.sys and autoexec.bat files?Also, do I have > >>to copy files I want to save from my present zipspeak to a floppy using > >>linux or can I use the DOS copy command?--Cheryl > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Speakup mailing list > >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- -- Kerry Hoath: kerry@gotss.eu.org Alternates: kerry@emusys.com.au kerry@gotss.spice.net.au or khoath@lis.net.au ICQ UIN: 8226547 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: zipspeak on my C drive ` Kerry Hoath @ ` brent harding ` Kirk Wood [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007010633530.3719-100000@localhost.localdom ain> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: brent harding @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup What happens if you set both partitions active? How can I squeeze a linux partition in to my laptop that already has one large fat32 partition, I understand I can use fipps, but if the newly split partition becomes past the 1024th cylinder, seeing I have about 8.4 gigs, is there a utility to move dos down the disk aways so linux can be happy in the 1024 range? I don't really know what my laptop's bios does or doesn't support, as it is often hard to get this info. I just coincidentally had the disaster that required a format just as I was thinking of putting linux on this machine, so it was set up the way I wanted it, but the fact that there's already windows established on my laptop scares me of what would result from using fipps on it. At 10:28 AM 7/1/00 +1000, you wrote: >I'm a stickler for correctness so here goes. >If anyone wants clarification let me know and I can reply offlist or similar >:-) >This was a message from Jean. My reply doesn't tell the full story but enough >of it :-) >> If I understand you correctly, and you want to make Linux its own >> bootable partition, then you should make Linux the second partition, and >> DOS the first partition. DOS/Windows does not like being on anything >> but the first partition. >Well that is not 100% correct. The master boot record scans the partition >table for the first active partition. As long as the partition is primary and >only one is set active, the dos mbr should have no trouble normally. >Trouble can occurr if the boot area is past cylinder 1024 (10 bit field in bios >for cylinder) but that holds true for any os boot loader that relies on the >bios to get loaded. This is why the nt boot loader, the dos system files >or lilo's stage 1 or grub's stage 1 must be <1024 cylinder wise. >Lilo fixes this in the newest greatest release not sure about grub it uses >extended in13 provided your motherboard has it not all do. > >Oh and a bug in the dos boot sector stops dos booting if it is past the >first 2gb, that took me days to sort out. > >Regards, Kerry. >> >> Gene >> >> >Any file named with more than 8 letters will have goofy names when seen >> >from dos. As for moving the dos directory, if you use something called >> >lilo, for linux loader, you could set it up to boot drive d as dos and c as >> >linux, as long as they're on different hard drives. You're boot prompt >> >would let you choose from /dev/hda1 for linux and /dev/hdb1 for dos if >> >things worked right. There's a lilo mini howto at www.linuxdoc.org. There's >> >a liloconfig in slackware, but don't count on it, as I trashed my windows >> >system when I tried to make a boot floppy with it. I think what it did was >> >put the loader on the superblock, where fdisk /mbr wouldn't fix it. I >> >wouldn't advise setting it up until you get linux on it's own partition or >> >drive, as zipspeak won't allow windows and linux to dual boot from the same >> >partition. >> >At 06:43 PM 6/28/00 -0700, you wrote: >> >>I have been using zipspeak on my D drive. Eventually I want to go to a >> >>full linux distribution but have some things to do before that can >> >>happen. Meanwhile, as my C drive is larger than my D drive, I would like >> >>to delete my present version, mmove the files on my C drive to D, and >> >>install zipspeak on my c drive. I am using DOS. I know I will have to >> >>leave the DOS hidden files, command.com, config.sys, and autoexec.bat on >> >>my C drive. Can I move the actual DOS directory to my D drive as long as >> >>I change the paths in my config.sys and autoexec.bat files?Also, do I have >> >>to copy files I want to save from my present zipspeak to a floppy using >> >>linux or can I use the DOS copy command?--Cheryl >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Speakup mailing list >> >>Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> >>http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Speakup mailing list >> >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >> > >-- >-- >Kerry Hoath: kerry@gotss.eu.org >Alternates: kerry@emusys.com.au kerry@gotss.spice.net.au or khoath@lis.net.au >ICQ UIN: 8226547 > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: zipspeak on my C drive ` brent harding @ ` Kirk Wood [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007010633530.3719-100000@localhost.localdom ain> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Kirk Wood @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup That shouldn't be a problem. All the partition utilities I have seen only allow one partition to be active at a time. If the software allows otherwise it has a bug as defined by industry standard. -- Kirk Wood Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net ------------------ Seek simplicity -- and distrust it. Alfred North Whitehead ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Re: zipspeak on my C drive [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007010633530.3719-100000@localhost.localdom ain> @ ` brent harding 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: brent harding @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup Oh, but I can toggle the bootable flag on for my linux partition even though bootable is on for windows-98, but I didn't attempt it. I use lilo instead. At 09:27 AM 7/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >That shouldn't be a problem. All the partition utilities I have seen only >allow one partition to be active at a time. If the software allows >otherwise it has a bug as defined by industry standard. > >-- >Kirk Wood >Cpt.Kirk@1tree.net >------------------ > >Seek simplicity -- and distrust it. > Alfred North Whitehead > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Speakup mailing list >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* zipspeak on my C drive @ Cheryl Homiak 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Cheryl Homiak @ UTC (permalink / raw) To: speakup I have been using zipspeak on my D drive. Eventually I want to go to a full linux distribution but have some things to do before that can happen. Meanwhile, as my C drive is larger than my D drive, I would like to delete my present version, mmove the files on my C drive to D, and install zipspeak on my c drive. I am using DOS. I know I will have to leave the DOS hidden files, command.com, config.sys, and autoexec.bat on my C drive. Can I move the actual DOS directory to my D drive as long as I change the paths in my config.sys and autoexec.bat files?Also, do I have to copy files I want to save from my present zipspeak to a floppy using linux or can I use the DOS copy command?--Cheryl ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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