Re: zipspeak on my C drive

Re: zipspeak on my C drive

[brent harding]

Any file named with more than 8 letters will have goofy names when seen
from dos. As for moving the dos directory, if you use something called
lilo, for linux loader, you could set it up to boot drive d as dos and c as
linux, as long as they're on different hard drives. You're boot prompt
would let you choose from /dev/hda1 for linux and /dev/hdb1 for dos if
things worked right. There's a lilo mini howto at www.linuxdoc.org. There's
a liloconfig in slackware, but don't count on it, as I trashed my windows
system when I tried to make a boot floppy with it. I think what it did was
put the loader on the superblock, where fdisk /mbr wouldn't fix it. I
wouldn't advise setting it up until you get linux on it's own partition or
drive, as zipspeak won't allow windows and linux to dual boot from the same
partition.
At 06:43 PM 6/28/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I have been using zipspeak on my D drive.  Eventually I want to go to a
>full linux distribution but have some things to do before that can
>happen.  Meanwhile, as my C drive is larger than my D drive, I would like
>to delete my present version, mmove the files on my C drive to D, and
>install zipspeak on my c drive.  I am using DOS.  I know I will have to
>leave the DOS hidden files, command.com, config.sys, and autoexec.bat on
>my C drive.  Can I move the actual DOS directory to my D drive as long as
>I change the paths in my config.sys and autoexec.bat files?Also, do I have
>to copy files I want to save from my present zipspeak to a floppy using
>linux or can I use the DOS copy command?--Cheryl
>
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Re: zipspeak on my C drive

[Gene Collins]

If I understand you correctly, and you want to make Linux its own
bootable partition, then you should make Linux the second partition, and
DOS the first partition.  DOS/Windows does not like being on anything
but the first partition.

Gene

>Any file named with more than 8 letters will have goofy names when seen
>from dos. As for moving the dos directory, if you use something called
>lilo, for linux loader, you could set it up to boot drive d as dos and c as
>linux, as long as they're on different hard drives. You're boot prompt
>would let you choose from /dev/hda1 for linux and /dev/hdb1 for dos if
>things worked right. There's a lilo mini howto at www.linuxdoc.org. There's
>a liloconfig in slackware, but don't count on it, as I trashed my windows
>system when I tried to make a boot floppy with it. I think what it did was
>put the loader on the superblock, where fdisk /mbr wouldn't fix it. I
>wouldn't advise setting it up until you get linux on it's own partition or
>drive, as zipspeak won't allow windows and linux to dual boot from the same
>partition.
>At 06:43 PM 6/28/00 -0700, you wrote:
>>I have been using zipspeak on my D drive.  Eventually I want to go to a
>>full linux distribution but have some things to do before that can
>>happen.  Meanwhile, as my C drive is larger than my D drive, I would like
>>to delete my present version, mmove the files on my C drive to D, and
>>install zipspeak on my c drive.  I am using DOS.  I know I will have to
>>leave the DOS hidden files, command.com, config.sys, and autoexec.bat on
>>my C drive.  Can I move the actual DOS directory to my D drive as long as
>>I change the paths in my config.sys and autoexec.bat files?Also, do I have
>>to copy files I want to save from my present zipspeak to a floppy using
>>linux or can I use the DOS copy command?--Cheryl
>>
>>
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Re: zipspeak on my C drive

[Kerry Hoath]

I'm a stickler for correctness so here goes.
If anyone wants clarification let me know and I can reply offlist or similar
:-)
This was a message from Jean. My reply doesn't tell the full story but enough 
of it :-)
> If I understand you correctly, and you want to make Linux its own
> bootable partition, then you should make Linux the second partition, and
> DOS the first partition.  DOS/Windows does not like being on anything
> but the first partition.
Well that is not 100% correct. The master boot record scans the partition
table for the first active partition. As long as the partition is primary and
only one is set active, the dos mbr should have no trouble normally.
Trouble can occurr if the boot area is past cylinder 1024 (10 bit field in bios
for cylinder) but that holds true for any os boot loader that relies on the
bios to get loaded. This is why the nt boot loader, the dos system files
or lilo's stage 1 or grub's stage 1 must be <1024 cylinder wise.
Lilo fixes this in the newest greatest release not sure about grub it uses
extended in13 provided your motherboard has it not all do.

Oh and a bug in the dos boot sector stops dos booting if it is past the
first 2gb, that took me days to sort out.

Regards, Kerry.
> 
> Gene
> 
> >Any file named with more than 8 letters will have goofy names when seen
> >from dos. As for moving the dos directory, if you use something called
> >lilo, for linux loader, you could set it up to boot drive d as dos and c as
> >linux, as long as they're on different hard drives. You're boot prompt
> >would let you choose from /dev/hda1 for linux and /dev/hdb1 for dos if
> >things worked right. There's a lilo mini howto at www.linuxdoc.org. There's
> >a liloconfig in slackware, but don't count on it, as I trashed my windows
> >system when I tried to make a boot floppy with it. I think what it did was
> >put the loader on the superblock, where fdisk /mbr wouldn't fix it. I
> >wouldn't advise setting it up until you get linux on it's own partition or
> >drive, as zipspeak won't allow windows and linux to dual boot from the same
> >partition.
> >At 06:43 PM 6/28/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >>I have been using zipspeak on my D drive.  Eventually I want to go to a
> >>full linux distribution but have some things to do before that can
> >>happen.  Meanwhile, as my C drive is larger than my D drive, I would like
> >>to delete my present version, mmove the files on my C drive to D, and
> >>install zipspeak on my c drive.  I am using DOS.  I know I will have to
> >>leave the DOS hidden files, command.com, config.sys, and autoexec.bat on
> >>my C drive.  Can I move the actual DOS directory to my D drive as long as
> >>I change the paths in my config.sys and autoexec.bat files?Also, do I have
> >>to copy files I want to save from my present zipspeak to a floppy using
> >>linux or can I use the DOS copy command?--Cheryl
> >>
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Re: zipspeak on my C drive

[brent harding]

What happens if you set both partitions active? How can I squeeze a linux
partition in to my laptop that already has one large fat32 partition, I
understand I can use fipps, but if the newly split partition becomes past
the 1024th cylinder, seeing I have about 8.4 gigs, is there a utility to
move dos down the disk aways so linux can be happy in the 1024 range? I
don't really know what my laptop's bios does or doesn't support, as it is
often hard to get this info.
I just coincidentally had the disaster that required a format just as I was
thinking of putting linux on this machine, so it was set up the way I
wanted it, but the fact that there's already windows established on my
laptop scares me of what would result from using fipps on it.
At 10:28 AM 7/1/00 +1000, you wrote:
>I'm a stickler for correctness so here goes.
>If anyone wants clarification let me know and I can reply offlist or similar
>:-)
>This was a message from Jean. My reply doesn't tell the full story but
enough 
>of it :-)
>> If I understand you correctly, and you want to make Linux its own
>> bootable partition, then you should make Linux the second partition, and
>> DOS the first partition.  DOS/Windows does not like being on anything
>> but the first partition.
>Well that is not 100% correct. The master boot record scans the partition
>table for the first active partition. As long as the partition is primary and
>only one is set active, the dos mbr should have no trouble normally.
>Trouble can occurr if the boot area is past cylinder 1024 (10 bit field in
bios
>for cylinder) but that holds true for any os boot loader that relies on the
>bios to get loaded. This is why the nt boot loader, the dos system files
>or lilo's stage 1 or grub's stage 1 must be <1024 cylinder wise.
>Lilo fixes this in the newest greatest release not sure about grub it uses
>extended in13 provided your motherboard has it not all do.
>
>Oh and a bug in the dos boot sector stops dos booting if it is past the
>first 2gb, that took me days to sort out.
>
>Regards, Kerry.
>> 
>> Gene
>> 
>> >Any file named with more than 8 letters will have goofy names when seen
>> >from dos. As for moving the dos directory, if you use something called
>> >lilo, for linux loader, you could set it up to boot drive d as dos and
c as
>> >linux, as long as they're on different hard drives. You're boot prompt
>> >would let you choose from /dev/hda1 for linux and /dev/hdb1 for dos if
>> >things worked right. There's a lilo mini howto at www.linuxdoc.org.
There's
>> >a liloconfig in slackware, but don't count on it, as I trashed my windows
>> >system when I tried to make a boot floppy with it. I think what it did was
>> >put the loader on the superblock, where fdisk /mbr wouldn't fix it. I
>> >wouldn't advise setting it up until you get linux on it's own partition or
>> >drive, as zipspeak won't allow windows and linux to dual boot from the
same
>> >partition.
>> >At 06:43 PM 6/28/00 -0700, you wrote:
>> >>I have been using zipspeak on my D drive.  Eventually I want to go to a
>> >>full linux distribution but have some things to do before that can
>> >>happen.  Meanwhile, as my C drive is larger than my D drive, I would like
>> >>to delete my present version, mmove the files on my C drive to D, and
>> >>install zipspeak on my c drive.  I am using DOS.  I know I will have to
>> >>leave the DOS hidden files, command.com, config.sys, and autoexec.bat on
>> >>my C drive.  Can I move the actual DOS directory to my D drive as long as
>> >>I change the paths in my config.sys and autoexec.bat files?Also, do I
have
>> >>to copy files I want to save from my present zipspeak to a floppy using
>> >>linux or can I use the DOS copy command?--Cheryl
>> >>
>> >>
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Re: zipspeak on my C drive

[Kirk Wood]

That shouldn't be a problem. All the partition utilities I have seen only
allow one partition to be active at a time. If the software allows
otherwise it has a bug as defined by industry standard.

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Re: zipspeak on my C drive

[brent harding]

Oh, but I can toggle the bootable flag on for my linux partition even
though bootable is on for windows-98, but I didn't attempt it. I use lilo
instead.
At 09:27 AM 7/1/00 -0500, you wrote:
>That shouldn't be a problem. All the partition utilities I have seen only
>allow one partition to be active at a time. If the software allows
>otherwise it has a bug as defined by industry standard.
>
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zipspeak on my C drive

[Cheryl Homiak]

I have been using zipspeak on my D drive.  Eventually I want to go to a
full linux distribution but have some things to do before that can
happen.  Meanwhile, as my C drive is larger than my D drive, I would like
to delete my present version, mmove the files on my C drive to D, and
install zipspeak on my c drive.  I am using DOS.  I know I will have to
leave the DOS hidden files, command.com, config.sys, and autoexec.bat on
my C drive.  Can I move the actual DOS directory to my D drive as long as
I change the paths in my config.sys and autoexec.bat files?Also, do I have
to copy files I want to save from my present zipspeak to a floppy using
linux or can I use the DOS copy command?--Cheryl